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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Oct 26, 2014 9:46:56 GMT
Agreed - no censorship required but moving the Ched Evans thread to "other football chat" or whatever it's called would be entirely appropriate.
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Sept 14, 2014 19:40:40 GMT
Just typical of the attitude of the ruling class and their attitude towards working class British. They literally despise poor British people. They think football fans are aggressive, sun reading bigots. They treat them like animals, criticise football culture. It's macho, its about rivalry and competition, which the social happy clappers hate. It's frightfully rough. You see this with the way the media hark on about footballers setting bad examples, while disproportionately promoting other sports. Sports that THEY like, with well spoken athletes who went to schools rich enough to buy rowing, cycling or archery equipment. They contrast these athletes to footballers and make out that it's "football culture" they dislike, when it's just poorer, chavvier people they dislike. The people who run are country are no longer toffs or greedy industrialists, they are social engineers who are obsessed with self hate for the past and want to take it out on the poor. The same poor who fought and died in the wars that got them the empire thAt they now feel guilt for. This is a detour but this attitude is what causes all the ott anti footbAll stuff we hear about. They protect monsters in Rotherham, Rochdale etc at the expenses of the children of the British working class, and come down hard and heavy on any wrongdoing. Swearing, shouting, fighting. Instant heavy force. Plenty of funding, while they deny them basic freedoms like the right to police protection from criminals. Sorry to rant but there is more to the heavy handed actions of officials, it's an ingrained discriminatory culture which football fans are on the wrong end of. You are on top form tonight. Very balanced - a huge chip on both your shoulders. I mistakenly thought this was a football forum. I have to say I will struggle to take anything you say seriously after that nonsense.
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Sept 14, 2014 18:07:08 GMT
Fair justice is a subjective term which can mean anything you like, and means something different to everyone. I don't like hooligans. Never been one. However, you have to take into account severe provocation. Even if other crimes were properly policed, I wouldn't think it's fair for jail or a banning order for anyone not actually fighting. 6 months would only fair for gbh. First time relegated to conference in history, jeered by rival fans deliberately provoking them. Unnecessary level of provocation. Of course, one should turn the other cheek, but you are in disagreement with fundamental human nature if you can't make allowance for that. Football is a much bigger thing to some people, usually those with less other outlets in their life. This doesn't make it right, but if it's unreasonable to react to the events at the game with some level of anger, and to respond to deliberate provocation is utterly unacceptable, we do indeed have a different moral compass. Humans are fallable. Of course, the media, judiciary etc can't understand it. It's just a silly game and there's no need to respond. It must be dealt with severely. Deep down I would have been disappointed if we had meekly allowed the sods who burned our ground and tormented us for years laughing at us, on home turf, in our darkest hour. I think it's reasonable to respond to this and it's perverse to expect grown men to take that without a whimper. Wow - I am genuinely shocked if this is your real view. I assume you are just trying to live up to your "Controversial" username. People had every right to be angry. In a civilised society there is never any justification other than self-defence to use violence. As I said, the guy I witnessed deserved to be punished and in my view more severely than the maximum I read about.
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Sept 14, 2014 16:21:18 GMT
I'm sure if you're weak of disposition you probably find it intimidating to see and hear angry men. I'm really happy that you find this behaviour so out of the ordinary that you want to see the offenders punished by ending their employment opportunities, sending them to jail for 5 years and other punishments - happy for you that you've been able to not be a little desensitised to it. After all,seeing an angry mob swearing when you are with your kids is a hugely distressing thing. It's a wonder you could ever recover, perhaps a debt should be imposed to pay for some counselling sessions? I really don't blame you for seeking revenge, you have paid a terrible price which can never really leave you, and your kids most likely will end up screaming in fear at the sight of a football in later life, eventually ending up in a spiral of drink and drugs and slovenly joblessness. If those guys had kept their mouths shut, all our lives could have been spared...... No one is arguing that this shouldn't be stopped and some punishments being administered. However, it's an extremely cowardly action to call for severe punishments for those who have caused you minor offence. Of course, the world is full of nasty so and so's. Some choose to be nasty in your face, as a hooligan. Others sit behind and call for and facilitate harsh legislation for people. Bang em up etc. If you think 5 years staring at the wall for being aggressive and scuffling in a provocative atmosphere is fair, you are sadist. People get 5 years for armed robbery, so they get life do they? Drunk drivers killing folks, death penalty. Get over your own need to see others suffer and deal with your own suffering. The comments above re the legal system prioritising minor assault before child rape on the basis of background are valid, and are part and parcel of the argument. If you've never felt anger, never lost your rag, good for you, but it's altogether nastier thing to wish them to have their lives, freedoms etc ruined because you don't like them. Its not rational to wish them this ill considering you've not been a victim to any real extent. As I said, I seriously question your moral compass. Two wrongs do not make a right. Just because some people get off lightly doesn't mean it's wrong when others receive fair justice. I hope the person witnessed is the one who received 6 months as he deserves it and all the consequences of his actions. If he loses his job he has no one else to blame but himself. For me it is simple, if we want to live in a civilised country we cannot accept uncivilised behaviour. I don't know the exact circumstances of the others but that guy I witnessed with my own eyes, if he got 6 months I think he was lucky.
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Sept 14, 2014 15:28:55 GMT
You are not alone Topman.
I was standing by the tunnel on the day with my kids which meant we witnessed the players being abused and one attempted assault and of course we were right under box 1 so the vile abuse sailed over our heads.
There was one individual in particular who tried to attack JJOT, twice punched a steward who tried to stop him and who then fought continuously with three stewards who tried to pin him down before doing the same to two policemen. He was spitting, trying to head but, kicking out and mouthing off continuously.
If he got 5 years I wouldn't have complained and he should be banned for life. If anyone out there thinks he was treated too harshly I seriously question your moral compass.
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Sept 13, 2014 9:25:10 GMT
The team travelled up last night and stayed over whereas previously we have been doing day trips.
Hopefully a different approach will give a different result.
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Sept 11, 2014 19:57:37 GMT
Our really successful team had Tom Lockyer, Alefe Santos and Matt Macey. You joke but they are all 19 now !!!
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Sept 11, 2014 19:55:45 GMT
The good teams were recruited by Ken Orum and turned into men by Jamie Fullarton. They all hated him but they all respected him.
Alan Walsh got loads of credit for the team he inherited but the foundations were laid by Ken and Jamie. Alan is too nice to kick them into shape and having watched them they don't have an "edge" about them now.
Recruitment was completed before relegation so I don't think our league status has anything to do with it. As far as I have seen Tom Curtis is no Ken Orum and Alan Walsh is no Jamie Fullarton.
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Sept 3, 2014 20:50:53 GMT
Lockyer is still only 19 but has played over 50 games in about 6 or 7 different positions. If Lee Brown gets injured he will probably become a left back overnight which proves what a fantastic player he is to have in the squad. What I love most is his total commitment. Last year he had his nose broken but didn't miss a game. And he is currently playing with a mouth guard after having his jaw broken - It's hardly surprising he looked a little off his game against Telford after that. Against FGR, Frear skinned him early on then Tom took him man and ball on the touch line and Frear didn't beat him again. I thought he was excellent defensively. He is clearly learning as he goes and will take a little time to change his game to RB but he is the best option we have. My main fear is that we keep moving him to fill the latest gap and stop him fulfilling his real potential in his best position. The fact we are debating what that position is sort of proves the point!!!! Good post Stig, what do you think is his best position ? Good question. I think his best position now is probably centre back as this is where he had played the most and is most comfortable. If he is given chance to develop I am convinced his best position will be defensive centre mid, sitting just in front of the back four Makele style. I think he reads the game brilliantly and is a great tackler. The development bit is his confidence on the ball. I don't think he is necessarily a "poor passer" as many have said but he does seen to want to get rid of it quickly and can be inconsistent. When he is on it his passing is quite sharp and he can bend a cross in with both feet. It was his left foot that gave Matt Taylor the "unmissable header" against FGR. Most importantly I don't think he is tall enough to become a top class CB so no matter how good he is, he is always likely to struggle in the air against big strikers. Defensive CM for me
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Sept 2, 2014 22:44:46 GMT
Lockyer is still only 19 but has played over 50 games in about 6 or 7 different positions. If Lee Brown gets injured he will probably become a left back overnight which proves what a fantastic player he is to have in the squad.
What I love most is his total commitment. Last year he had his nose broken but didn't miss a game. And he is currently playing with a mouth guard after having his jaw broken - It's hardly surprising he looked a little off his game against Telford after that. Against FGR, Frear skinned him early on then Tom took him man and ball on the touch line and Frear didn't beat him again. I thought he was excellent defensively.
He is clearly learning as he goes and will take a little time to change his game to RB but he is the best option we have. My main fear is that we keep moving him to fill the latest gap and stop him fulfilling his real potential in his best position. The fact we are debating what that position is sort of proves the point!!!!
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Aug 22, 2014 22:18:47 GMT
I don't even understand this poll?
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Aug 16, 2014 11:32:48 GMT
if he played the same team and lost people on here would have said why on earth didnt he rest players? he had to leave brunt out and play 2 small guys to look after him. trotman was at fault for the 1st goal as totally on his own he pushed up leaving akinde[who is fast] a clear run on goal,lockyear couldnt get across quick enough to cover for this unexpected event and mcchrystal was in the left back position covering for brown..you only push on towards the half way line when you play the ball forward to compress the space the opposition have to play in not when your opponents have possession,,,trotman had a difficult debut but im hoping he will bounce back This is exactly the case and Lockyer was furious with Trotman who stepped up unexpectedly. I am sure they will sort that out very quickly, Trotnan not playing in pre-season was the real issue.
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Aug 4, 2014 10:33:21 GMT
Please correct me if I am wrong, as I am not a Solicitor, But in Nick Higgs statement{We have a contract in place with Sainsburys for the purchase of the mem]... He does not say that contracts are signed and exchanged and I am under the impression that any party can pull out prior to signing and exchanging.....please correct me if I am wrong...as this has often happened on house purchasing...... :tank: If Sainsburys do want out then I think it safe to assume that Rovers do in fact have a very tight contract in place . Why do I say that? I have dealt with large multi nationals and with High Street banks and they are ruthless when it comes to certain decisions . They will take no notice of moral rights or wrongs but just deal with legalities . Dont be fooled by their benevolent public persona - just look at what Sainsburys have done elsewhere across the UK with no advance warning at all. If Sainsburys do want out then they would have dropped this like a ton of bricks unless they were in a position that they could not do so . There has been a suggestion that they will just reneg on the deal and let Rovers sue them but that is highly unlikely as the amount involved is huge and Rovers would pursue this through the courts and Sainsburys would have to pay costs if they lost the case. So I conclude that the story is either rubbish and Sainsburys do want to go ahead or the story has merit but Mr Higgs does as he suggest have a watertight contract. He knows that any statement he gives out on the website is going to be poured over by Sainsburys legal team and so he is going to always make a comment to the effect that we are proceeding to sale . Those people who comment that he is misleading the fans and would need to resign if it went belly up are forgetting that this is Nick Higgs home territory and having run a succesful Construction company for so many years the guy knows what he is doing. For Heaven's sake stop bashing the guy when he is trying his damnedest to get us a new stadium and support him for taking on the Sainsbury goliath if that is indeed what is happening behind the scenes . Some people on here seem to think that everything should be in the public arena and they should be kept fully informed but hey guys - this is not all about you!! This is the post that best summarises where we are. Good work. It appears as if Sainsburys want out but the contract doesn't give them a way out. Personally I think in these circumstances NH couldn't have played it any other way. Time now to be patient and let the experts sort it out,.
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Aug 2, 2014 10:01:36 GMT
Great to see your report SteveK. I have to admit that a Rovers game isn't finished until I have read your match report. You were 100% right about last season and called it way before Christmas. When SteveK speaks, I listen !!!!!
A pretty good assessment in my view. I have been to all 4 "1st team" friendlies and the style and shape are definitely encouraging and I am quite excited about the season.
I don't think we are far from being a good team, but lack of strength in depth means we are a fair way short of a good enough squad to last the full season. Turley will help but in most areas we are two injuries short of having to play kids.
Been very impressed by Gosling in the games against Gloucester and Yeovil but he was far less effective yesterday. He sat in front of the back 4 in those games and was very effective. Mansell is the one I have been least impressed by.
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Jul 31, 2014 18:33:40 GMT
Replacing the camp pirate with one that looks like a real nasty piece of work would be a great improvement.
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Jul 31, 2014 18:24:26 GMT
Players play, the management manage and the supporters support.
There is rarely any meaningful crossover.
There clearly isn't going to be a revolution so evolution is the best option. To achieve that you need to work with people and not against them.
I wish everyone luck, admire their willingness to stand up and be counted, but it will be tough going as most of us supporters are happy (or sometimes less than happy) just to support.
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Jul 30, 2014 10:56:28 GMT
Hopefully Brunt will be the next Lambert! Agreed. Brunty to score 35 and be sold for £3m to a prem side without even limping all season.
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Jul 26, 2014 21:53:49 GMT
Really enjoyed the game today, we were very solid first half but got a bit sloppy in the second, I'm confident that with a few additions and players back from injury this squad will be good enough for a playoff push next season. Will do a quick review of the players: Preston: wasn't his best game but his kicking is superb, will definitely do as no.2 Higgins: has to be signed first thing Monday morning, perfect replacement for smith, got up and down the line well and put some good balls into the box Parkes: Scored a screamer, was solid at the back, caught out of position a few times but once he's used to the formation I'm sure that won't be a issue Mitchell: unsure on this one, if we sign Turley I don't think we need him, was average at best today Lockyer: solid as usual, good in the air and topped off with a goal Brown: wasn't his best game, put a few good balls in the box, all his shots were on his right foot though Gosling: really like gosling, distribution is good and works hard Boco: wasn't great first half, improved in the second with some good runs, will do as a sub if there is no one better Monkhouse: looked a threat when he was on, some good touches and a really close header Brunt: still no quite at his best but had a decent chance well saved and won a fair few headers, a few more weeks and he should be okay White: scored a good goal and some decent runs, still looks a bit unfit Sinclair: love this bloke, works his socks off, picks out good passes and makes some great tackles, fluke of a goal though Taylor: works hard, and got the assist for whites goal I like the 3-5-2, and a few more weeks of working on it in training should mean we can start the season confident in playing it Agree with most of that, but not that Mitchell was average ( even at best ). He looked awful to me. Scarcely won a header all game. As for the 3 5 2, it worked fine on the right side where the impressive Higgins got forward well, and Lockyear moved across to cover at right back, but on the left side it looked a disaster waiting to happen. Brown looked like a fish out of water on the left side of midfield, and Parks looked like a lumbering giant, moving across to cover at left back. Brown is a good solid dependable left back, but a wing back? No way. Carry on playing that system with those players, and we`ll ship goals galore. Agree with your judgment on the defence. First two goals came down our left and The Brown/Parkes combination looked very uncertain. In fact Lee Briwn looked a bit disinterested at wing back and really unwilling to take them on. Mitchell also looked a little lost in the middle, that is a key position for organising the back 3 and his inexperience showed at times, Lockyer/Higgins on the right was much more solid as you said.
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Jul 24, 2014 22:28:01 GMT
In general, saying that he disagreed with him, if so why not try to change things plus the airing of dirty washing at the meetings. I think Clarke does or did not need to lay blame and all he needed to do was set out what his plans are. John Wards wife had cancer ffs, he also looks a shadow of the man who came here last season with him looking like he has lost a fair amount of weight and dark patched under his eyes. I'll go over some of my posts to give you more detail. He said some things that, IMO, were nasty. When he was given the job, on TV he spoke well of Ward. I don't like to see anyone being booted when they are down and that is exactly what is happening. It really does not sit well with me. It seems I am alone in saying this too The thing is that at both Q & A sessions DC was asked why he couldn't influence the team tactics/selections/transfers etc. he answered honestly in my opinion and I don't think he was trying to trash JW at all. he stated that in football, it's the manager who makes all the decisions and the Assistant Manager/coach who implements the wishes of the manager. So yes, he said he disagreed with a lot of the selections and tactics but no more than you might say about the management of the company you work for. For my money, most of the talk of JW being blamed for everything has come from the usual suspects who want to find fault with everything the BoD say and do - they never said it was all his fault and admitted that they had been too loyal to JW and should have moved him upstairs sooner i.e. it was their fault they didn't see the writing on the wall - they clearly have a great deal of affection for the guy and are guilty only of answering questions honestly. Also, was it not the case that both the OF and this forum were shouting "sack Ward" for a lot of last season? So now the BoD agree they should have done that (or moved him to DoF and they are slammed, along with DC for saying exactly what the fans were saying last season) Time to move on! Agree with this. I have no problem with DC at all in terms of the way he has responded to questions. He has answered them honestly but not nastily. He hasn't slagged JW off but has said he disagreed with some of his decisions and would have done things differently. KP, you seem to be getting this well out of proportion in my view. Suggesting you can't respect the man is just, well, odd.
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Jul 20, 2014 9:11:43 GMT
I love posts like this, I've missed this over the last few weeks!! I'll try and give my final league position, just for a bit of fun as follows: P 46 W23 D12 L11 F67 A48 PTS81 FINAL POSITION THIRD, PROMOTED VIA THE PLAY OFFS !!!!! I like this thread as well And while the adults are pondering our position the kids are arguing over who is the better supporter!!! Nothing changes. Play offs are minimum In my opinion but first it has to be touching distance of playoffs all season or else all hell will break loose way before May.
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