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Post by ashperry83 on Jul 23, 2014 7:48:37 GMT
Let me start, I wouldn't have appointed him. I thought his decision making at the end of last season was appalling and he has blown some serious hot air in interviews. However, we are stuck with him and need to cut him some slack.
Last night at Yeovil, for the first time in ages there was actually some shape to our play. We looked fit, broke up play quickly and worked our own possession well. We played some great little balls and a lot of first touch football. It was pleasing to walk away from a match without neck ache. DC has clearly worked on this so far this summer and it's promising.
I'm not predicting/expecting anything higher than mid table. We are still woefully lacking in a creative midfielder. Lee Brown was exposed a lot last night, but hopefully Monkhouse will help this. The squad is threadbare and the budget is non existent. But if, and it's a massive if, we can scrape the play offs it would be a successful season all things considering. And as Chewwy said to me last night, not many clubs would fancy playing us at the Mem with 11k plus getting behind the boys.
I'm as far removed from a rose tinter as you can possibly get, but sometimes it's good to get your head out of your arse and give the big picture a look. DC, for the moment you have my support!
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Post by Somerset Blue on Jul 23, 2014 8:14:53 GMT
Ash,
Any idea why Ryan Brunt went off ?
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Post by ashperry83 on Jul 23, 2014 8:16:28 GMT
Brother in law in home end said he hobbled off, did look shagged TBF. Think I saw a tweet from Brunt saying all was ok last night?
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Post by Curly Wurly on Jul 23, 2014 8:19:26 GMT
Tight shin according to the man himself. He also tweets "nothing to panic over".
Was his first game for a long time.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 23, 2014 8:40:27 GMT
I cannot respect any man who trash talks a guy who he worked with, behind his back. I think that if you want to know how someone will talk about you, listen to how they talk about others.
I think the board and DC are guilty of cowardice in fully blaming a man who made it clear he had other priorities but stood by and even encouraged and goaded him to carry on. John ward was a bloody hero just the season before, you heard no whispers of problems with JW yet now he is the antichrist and to blame for everything.
I saw Wards interview about his Cheltenham days just yesterday and he looks very ill himself.
Sorry but I think it poor form to slag the guy so repetitively, it is just not on, not in my way of thinking anyway. Why didn't Higgs lead if he knew all he says he knew ? It's a bloody hatchet job and it stinks.
I'll judge him on results. He has proven he can talk the talk so I hope he can walk the walk. I just have zero respect for the unnecessary trashing of Ward. JW was the only man who came out to face the fans after the Mansfield game while DC turned the taps on.
The proof of the pudding eh. I hope he does well though.
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Post by LJG on Jul 23, 2014 8:43:27 GMT
Let me start, I wouldn't have appointed him. I thought his decision making at the end of last season was appalling and he has blown some serious hot air in interviews. However, we are stuck with him and need to cut him some slack. Last night at Yeovil, for the first time in ages there was actually some shape to our play. We looked fit, broke up play quickly and worked our own possession well. We played some great little balls and a lot of first touch football. It was pleasing to walk away from a match without neck ache. DC has clearly worked on this so far this summer and it's promising. I'm not predicting/expecting anything higher than mid table. We are still woefully lacking in a creative midfielder. Lee Brown was exposed a lot last night, but hopefully Monkhouse will help this. The squad is threadbare and the budget is non existent. But if, and it's a massive if, we can scrape the play offs it would be a successful season all things considering. And as Chewwy said to me last night, not many clubs would fancy playing us at the Mem with 11k plus getting behind the boys. I'm as far removed from a rose tinter as you can possibly get, but sometimes it's good to get your head out of your arse and give the big picture a look. DC, for the moment you have my support! Errrr ... what? |
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Post by rocknrollaayatollah on Jul 23, 2014 8:57:33 GMT
I cannot respect any man who trash talks a guy who he worked with, behind his back. I think that if you want to know how someone will talk about you, listen to how they talk about others. I think the board and DC are guilty of cowardice in fully blaming a man who made it clear he had other priorities but stood by and even encouraged and goaded him to carry on. John ward was a bloody hero just the season before, you heard no whispers of problems with JW yet now he is the antichrist and to blame for everything. I saw Wards interview about his Cheltenham days just yesterday and he looks very ill himself. Sorry but I think it poor form to slag the guy so repetitively, it is just not on, not in my way of thinking anyway. Why didn't Higgs lead if he knew all he says he knew ? It's a bloody hatchet job and it stinks. I'll judge him on results. He has proven he can talk the talk so I hope he can walk the walk. I just have zero respect for the unnecessary trashing of Ward. JW was the only man who came out to face the fans after the Mansfield game while DC turned the taps on. The proof of the pudding eh. I hope he does well though. Explain "trash talk"? Are you referring to DC stating that he had little influence over team selection/recruitment/structure last season (apart from the last 8 games) and JW did? |
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Post by ashperry83 on Jul 23, 2014 8:58:58 GMT
Let me start, I wouldn't have appointed him. I thought his decision making at the end of last season was appalling and he has blown some serious hot air in interviews. However, we are stuck with him and need to cut him some slack. Last night at Yeovil, for the first time in ages there was actually some shape to our play. We looked fit, broke up play quickly and worked our own possession well. We played some great little balls and a lot of first touch football. It was pleasing to walk away from a match without neck ache. DC has clearly worked on this so far this summer and it's promising. I'm not predicting/expecting anything higher than mid table. We are still woefully lacking in a creative midfielder. Lee Brown was exposed a lot last night, but hopefully Monkhouse will help this. The squad is threadbare and the budget is non existent. But if, and it's a massive if, we can scrape the play offs it would be a successful season all things considering. And as Chewwy said to me last night, not many clubs would fancy playing us at the Mem with 11k plus getting behind the boys. I'm as far removed from a rose tinter as you can possibly get, but sometimes it's good to get your head out of your arse and give the big picture a look. DC, for the moment you have my support! Errrr ... what? In the play offs. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 23, 2014 9:29:15 GMT
I cannot respect any man who trash talks a guy who he worked with, behind his back. I think that if you want to know how someone will talk about you, listen to how they talk about others. I think the board and DC are guilty of cowardice in fully blaming a man who made it clear he had other priorities but stood by and even encouraged and goaded him to carry on. John ward was a bloody hero just the season before, you heard no whispers of problems with JW yet now he is the antichrist and to blame for everything. I saw Wards interview about his Cheltenham days just yesterday and he looks very ill himself. Sorry but I think it poor form to slag the guy so repetitively, it is just not on, not in my way of thinking anyway. Why didn't Higgs lead if he knew all he says he knew ? It's a bloody hatchet job and it stinks. I'll judge him on results. He has proven he can talk the talk so I hope he can walk the walk. I just have zero respect for the unnecessary trashing of Ward. JW was the only man who came out to face the fans after the Mansfield game while DC turned the taps on. The proof of the pudding eh. I hope he does well though. Explain "trash talk"? Are you referring to DC stating that he had little influence over team selection/recruitment/structure last season (apart from the last 8 games) and JW did? In general, saying that he disagreed with him, if so why not try to change things plus the airing of dirty washing at the meetings. I think Clarke does or did not need to lay blame and all he needed to do was set out what his plans are. John Wards wife had cancer ffs, he also looks a shadow of the man who came here last season with him looking like he has lost a fair amount of weight and dark patched under his eyes. I'll go over some of my posts to give you more detail. He said some things that, IMO, were nasty. When he was given the job, on TV he spoke well of Ward. I don't like to see anyone being booted when they are down and that is exactly what is happening. It really does not sit well with me. It seems I am alone in saying this too |
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Post by Gas Since 1957 on Jul 23, 2014 9:47:36 GMT
Explain "trash talk"? Are you referring to DC stating that he had little influence over team selection/recruitment/structure last season (apart from the last 8 games) and JW did? In general, saying that he disagreed with him, if so why not try to change things plus the airing of dirty washing at the meetings. I think Clarke does or did not need to lay blame and all he needed to do was set out what his plans are. John Wards wife had cancer ffs, he also looks a shadow of the man who came here last season with him looking like he has lost a fair amount of weight and dark patched under his eyes. I'll go over some of my posts to give you more detail. He said some things that, IMO, were nasty. When he was given the job, on TV he spoke well of Ward. I don't like to see anyone being booted when they are down and that is exactly what is happening. It really does not sit well with me. It seems I am alone in saying this too The thing is that at both Q & A sessions DC was asked why he couldn't influence the team tactics/selections/transfers etc. he answered honestly in my opinion and I don't think he was trying to trash JW at all. he stated that in football, it's the manager who makes all the decisions and the Assistant Manager/coach who implements the wishes of the manager. So yes, he said he disagreed with a lot of the selections and tactics but no more than you might say about the management of the company you work for. For my money, most of the talk of JW being blamed for everything has come from the usual suspects who want to find fault with everything the BoD say and do - they never said it was all his fault and admitted that they had been too loyal to JW and should have moved him upstairs sooner i.e. it was their fault they didn't see the writing on the wall - they clearly have a great deal of affection for the guy and are guilty only of answering questions honestly. Also, was it not the case that both the OF and this forum were shouting "sack Ward" for a lot of last season? So now the BoD agree they should have done that (or moved him to DoF and they are slammed, along with DC for saying exactly what the fans were saying last season) Time to move on! |
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Post by alwaysgas on Jul 23, 2014 9:58:20 GMT
Explain "trash talk"? Are you referring to DC stating that he had little influence over team selection/recruitment/structure last season (apart from the last 8 games) and JW did? In general, saying that he disagreed with him, if so why not try to change things plus the airing of dirty washing at the meetings. I think Clarke does or did not need to lay blame and all he needed to do was set out what his plans are. John Wards wife had cancer ffs, he also looks a shadow of the man who came here last season with him looking like he has lost a fair amount of weight and dark patched under his eyes. I'll go over some of my posts to give you more detail. He said some things that, IMO, were nasty. When he was given the job, on TV he spoke well of Ward. I don't like to see anyone being booted when they are down and that is exactly what is happening. It really does not sit well with me. It seems I am alone in saying this too Most of our fans complain that we are kept in the dark and demand to know what rumours about players are true. DC informs the fans that after the Hartlepool game 4 players went on the lash following a disgraceful performance that but for Mildy would have been at least 8-0. At the end of that game Harrold also deliberately had a direct and stupid confrontation with a couple of our fans. He also mentioned that TP didn't have the right life style for a footballer and although I haven't seen him yet this season, as he didn't play at Bath, the reports are that he looks much fitter. This will be good for the team as Tom has the potential to be a very good player. Last November when DC was interviewed he said that we needed pace upfront and he would like to see a quick forward that could play off the shoulder of a defender and of course Ward didn't want one. As a poster you continually mention that you know things and people but you can say what you are being told for different spurious reasons. This again reminds me of infants in the playground that often behave like this. Thank goodness we have a manager who has the courage to say what he knows and I believe the coaching skills to bring some enjoyment back to match days. Of course you won't know either way as you have also told us that you will not be attending any matches. |
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Post by rocknrollaayatollah on Jul 23, 2014 10:02:34 GMT
In general, saying that he disagreed with him, if so why not try to change things plus the airing of dirty washing at the meetings. I think Clarke does or did not need to lay blame and all he needed to do was set out what his plans are. John Wards wife had cancer ffs, he also looks a shadow of the man who came here last season with him looking like he has lost a fair amount of weight and dark patched under his eyes. I'll go over some of my posts to give you more detail. He said some things that, IMO, were nasty. When he was given the job, on TV he spoke well of Ward. I don't like to see anyone being booted when they are down and that is exactly what is happening. It really does not sit well with me. It seems I am alone in saying this too The thing is that at both Q & A sessions DC was asked why he couldn't influence the team tactics/selections/transfers etc. he answered honestly in my opinion and I don't think he was trying to trash JW at all. he stated that in football, it's the manager who makes all the decisions and the Assistant Manager/coach who implements the wishes of the manager. So yes, he said he disagreed with a lot of the selections and tactics but no more than you might say about the management of the company you work for. For my money, most of the talk of JW being blamed for everything has come from the usual suspects who want to find fault with everything the BoD say and do - they never said it was all his fault and admitted that they had been too loyal to JW and should have moved him upstairs sooner i.e. it was their fault they didn't see the writing on the wall - they clearly have a great deal of affection for the guy and are guilty only of answering questions honestly. Also, was it not the case that both the OF and this forum were shouting "sack Ward" for a lot of last season? So now the BoD agree they should have done that (or moved him to DoF and they are slammed, along with DC for saying exactly what the fans were saying last season) Time to move on! Agree completely. Saved me a lot of time. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 24, 2014 10:58:34 GMT
In general, saying that he disagreed with him, if so why not try to change things plus the airing of dirty washing at the meetings. I think Clarke does or did not need to lay blame and all he needed to do was set out what his plans are. John Wards wife had cancer ffs, he also looks a shadow of the man who came here last season with him looking like he has lost a fair amount of weight and dark patched under his eyes. I'll go over some of my posts to give you more detail. He said some things that, IMO, were nasty. When he was given the job, on TV he spoke well of Ward. I don't like to see anyone being booted when they are down and that is exactly what is happening. It really does not sit well with me. It seems I am alone in saying this too The thing is that at both Q & A sessions DC was asked why he couldn't influence the team tactics/selections/transfers etc. he answered honestly in my opinion and I don't think he was trying to trash JW at all. he stated that in football, it's the manager who makes all the decisions and the Assistant Manager/coach who implements the wishes of the manager. So yes, he said he disagreed with a lot of the selections and tactics but no more than you might say about the management of the company you work for. For my money, most of the talk of JW being blamed for everything has come from the usual suspects who want to find fault with everything the BoD say and do - they never said it was all his fault and admitted that they had been too loyal to JW and should have moved him upstairs sooner i.e. it was their fault they didn't see the writing on the wall - they clearly have a great deal of affection for the guy and are guilty only of answering questions honestly. Also, was it not the case that both the OF and this forum were shouting "sack Ward" for a lot of last season? So now the BoD agree they should have done that (or moved him to DoF and they are slammed, along with DC for saying exactly what the fans were saying last season) Time to move on! And you fail to see the irony completely. Ah well, as you say, time to move on from the circus |
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Post by Bridgeman on Jul 24, 2014 11:30:03 GMT
The thing is that at both Q & A sessions DC was asked why he couldn't influence the team tactics/selections/transfers etc. he answered honestly in my opinion and I don't think he was trying to trash JW at all. he stated that in football, it's the manager who makes all the decisions and the Assistant Manager/coach who implements the wishes of the manager. So yes, he said he disagreed with a lot of the selections and tactics but no more than you might say about the management of the company you work for. For my money, most of the talk of JW being blamed for everything has come from the usual suspects who want to find fault with everything the BoD say and do - they never said it was all his fault and admitted that they had been too loyal to JW and should have moved him upstairs sooner i.e. it was their fault they didn't see the writing on the wall - they clearly have a great deal of affection for the guy and are guilty only of answering questions honestly. Also, was it not the case that both the OF and this forum were shouting "sack Ward" for a lot of last season? So now the BoD agree they should have done that (or moved him to DoF and they are slammed, along with DC for saying exactly what the fans were saying last season) Time to move on! And you fail to see the irony completely. Ah well, as you say, time to move on from the circus Sorry KP, 1957 has spelt it out exactly as I would have. At both the EGM and the Q&A sessions both DC and the BoD repeatedly said of the respect they had for John Ward, were you at either ? If you weren't then you're only going on part of what some have reported was said. You know by now from my various comments that I have been extremely critical of the Board, that still hasn't changed but they aren't the only one's the finger of blame should be pointed at. The BoD went to John several times during the season, he was eloquent and knowledgeable in his reply to them and assured them the squad was good enough to survive, what more were they supposed to do, they even said at the end of one meeting with him they stood up and applauded him as he left. As the BoD'S said their error (now of course in hindsight) was that they were too loyal to him. You among many have been critical of the style of our play, who was manager for most of the season ? No one likes where we are, no one wants to be where we are, there are a multitude of reasons for our demise but one thing I'm sure I don't want to be accused of is that I'm going to add to it by my inaction, so I'm attending as much preseason meetings as I can, have got my season ticket and will be yelling my support/abuse (depending how the match is progressing) from the Blackthorn End as usual. I have no intention of sniping from the sidelines but will be evoking the 'Eastville spirit'(I know you know what that is), you can either be part of it or just have your memories, the choice is yours. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 24, 2014 11:43:55 GMT
And you fail to see the irony completely. Ah well, as you say, time to move on from the circus Sorry KP, 1957 has spelt it out exactly as I would have. At both the EGM and the Q&A sessions both DC and the BoD repeatedly said of the respect they had for John Ward, were you at either ? If you weren't then you're only going on part of what some have reported was said. You know by now from my various comments that I have been extremely critical of the Board, that still hasn't changed but they aren't the only ones the finger of blame should be pointed at. The BoD went to John several times during the season, he was eloquent and knowledgeable in his reply to them and assured them the squad was good enough to survive, what more were they supposed to do, they even said at the end of one meeting with him they stood up and applauded him as he left. As the BoD'S said their error (now of course in hindsight) was that they were too loyal to him. You among many have been critical of the style of our play, who was manager for most of the season ? No one likes where we are, no one wants to be where we are, there are a multitude of reasons for our demise but one thing I'm sure I don't want to be accused of is that I'm going to add to it by my inaction, so I'm attending as much preseason meetings as I can, have got my season ticket and will be yelling my support/abuse (depending how the match is progressing) from the Blackthorn End as usual. I have no intention of sniping from the sidelines but will be evoking the 'Eastville spirit'(I know you know what that is), you can either be part of it or just have your memories, the choice is yours. I get you, I really do. I have had several be critical of me not turning up for Q&A but the reason I don't go is because none of the board seem capable of being truly contrite and to make matters worse, they get angry and frosty when you attempt to ask a little more detail. Had I have been there, I would have ended up shown the door as I have a low tolerance for the BS that many seem more able to tolerate. Mate, I applaud you and EVERY other who will still go in the hope things get better but, for me, hope is not enough and all I have seen, so far, is hope without any tangible plan in place. What of the fabled review ? What about Higgs phoning Mark and promising him that the Welly groups questions would be answered with follow up allowed ? Why the defensive nature and not accepting that NH took his eye off of the team, allowing it to go tots up ? I'm sorry Bridgey but I can't waste anymore time and money on this but it does not mean that I don't care. 40+ years of investment don't just get switched off. I don't mind the stick mate, this is a piece of pee in comparison to some of what I've had to deal with. I am taking this season off and then will see how I feel after that. Christ, even a murderer can get time off for good behaviour  Good luck mate. I can't handle the outright BS. |
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Post by Bridgeman on Jul 24, 2014 12:01:51 GMT
Sorry KP, 1957 has spelt it out exactly as I would have. At both the EGM and the Q&A sessions both DC and the BoD repeatedly said of the respect they had for John Ward, were you at either ? If you weren't then you're only going on part of what some have reported was said. You know by now from my various comments that I have been extremely critical of the Board, that still hasn't changed but they aren't the only ones the finger of blame should be pointed at. The BoD went to John several times during the season, he was eloquent and knowledgeable in his reply to them and assured them the squad was good enough to survive, what more were they supposed to do, they even said at the end of one meeting with him they stood up and applauded him as he left. As the BoD'S said their error (now of course in hindsight) was that they were too loyal to him. You among many have been critical of the style of our play, who was manager for most of the season ? No one likes where we are, no one wants to be where we are, there are a multitude of reasons for our demise but one thing I'm sure I don't want to be accused of is that I'm going to add to it by my inaction, so I'm attending as much preseason meetings as I can, have got my season ticket and will be yelling my support/abuse (depending how the match is progressing) from the Blackthorn End as usual. I have no intention of sniping from the sidelines but will be evoking the 'Eastville spirit'(I know you know what that is), you can either be part of it or just have your memories, the choice is yours. I get you, I really do. I have had several be critical of me not turning up for Q&A but the reason I don't go is because none of the board seem capable of being truly contrite and to make matters worse, they get angry and frosty when you attempt to ask a little more detail. Had I have been there, I would have ended up shown the door as I have a low tolerance for the BS that many seem more able to tolerate. Mate, I applaud you and EVERY other who will still go in the hope things get better but, for me, hope is not enough and all I have seen, so far, is hope without any tangible plan in place. What of the fabled review ? What about Higgs phoning Mark and promising him that the Welly groups questions would be answered with follow up allowed ? Why the defensive nature and not accepting that NH took his eye off of the team, allowing it to go tots up ? I'm sorry Bridgey but I can't waste anymore time and money on this but it does not mean that I don't care. 40+ years of investment don't just get switched off. I don't mind the stick mate, this is a piece of pee in comparison to some of what I've had to deal with. I am taking this season off and then will see how I feel after that. Christ, even a murderer can get time off for good behaviour Good luck mate. I can't handle the outright BS. KP.....my friend.....you'll get no stick from me about not attending anything but as the saying goes 'you cannot have your cake and eat it'. Commenting on what others have told you has been said at meetings is never the best approach. I understand why you don't go and sometimes that is because you just can't for good valid personal reasons. Nothing as you know full well is perfect here on planet earth (the serpent saw to that) but I think the BoD are starting to get the message from a steady flow of questioning that some of us aren't going to let up. Mr Higgs might get irate at repeatedly answering the same questions (too bad), he might get irate because we point out that letters that were hand delivered to the club have not been responded to, he might get irate because we are critical of the web site, he might get irate at our chirping away about the review, he might get irate that we keep on questioning the progress on the stadium but eventually (and I'm hoping BRISA will assist with this) he and others of the board will have to become more accountable to us/me the ordinary fan. I don't intend to be inactive, I don't intend to be a passive supporter and I'm not giving myself time off. Have a good season away and I do really wish you well......ps....not sure if murderer's get time off for good behaviour but I get the gist of what you're saying  |
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Jul 24, 2014 22:28:01 GMT
In general, saying that he disagreed with him, if so why not try to change things plus the airing of dirty washing at the meetings. I think Clarke does or did not need to lay blame and all he needed to do was set out what his plans are. John Wards wife had cancer ffs, he also looks a shadow of the man who came here last season with him looking like he has lost a fair amount of weight and dark patched under his eyes. I'll go over some of my posts to give you more detail. He said some things that, IMO, were nasty. When he was given the job, on TV he spoke well of Ward. I don't like to see anyone being booted when they are down and that is exactly what is happening. It really does not sit well with me. It seems I am alone in saying this too The thing is that at both Q & A sessions DC was asked why he couldn't influence the team tactics/selections/transfers etc. he answered honestly in my opinion and I don't think he was trying to trash JW at all. he stated that in football, it's the manager who makes all the decisions and the Assistant Manager/coach who implements the wishes of the manager. So yes, he said he disagreed with a lot of the selections and tactics but no more than you might say about the management of the company you work for. For my money, most of the talk of JW being blamed for everything has come from the usual suspects who want to find fault with everything the BoD say and do - they never said it was all his fault and admitted that they had been too loyal to JW and should have moved him upstairs sooner i.e. it was their fault they didn't see the writing on the wall - they clearly have a great deal of affection for the guy and are guilty only of answering questions honestly. Also, was it not the case that both the OF and this forum were shouting "sack Ward" for a lot of last season? So now the BoD agree they should have done that (or moved him to DoF and they are slammed, along with DC for saying exactly what the fans were saying last season) Time to move on! Agree with this. I have no problem with DC at all in terms of the way he has responded to questions. He has answered them honestly but not nastily. He hasn't slagged JW off but has said he disagreed with some of his decisions and would have done things differently. KP, you seem to be getting this well out of proportion in my view. Suggesting you can't respect the man is just, well, odd. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 24, 2014 22:38:51 GMT
The thing is that at both Q & A sessions DC was asked why he couldn't influence the team tactics/selections/transfers etc. he answered honestly in my opinion and I don't think he was trying to trash JW at all. he stated that in football, it's the manager who makes all the decisions and the Assistant Manager/coach who implements the wishes of the manager. So yes, he said he disagreed with a lot of the selections and tactics but no more than you might say about the management of the company you work for. For my money, most of the talk of JW being blamed for everything has come from the usual suspects who want to find fault with everything the BoD say and do - they never said it was all his fault and admitted that they had been too loyal to JW and should have moved him upstairs sooner i.e. it was their fault they didn't see the writing on the wall - they clearly have a great deal of affection for the guy and are guilty only of answering questions honestly. Also, was it not the case that both the OF and this forum were shouting "sack Ward" for a lot of last season? So now the BoD agree they should have done that (or moved him to DoF and they are slammed, along with DC for saying exactly what the fans were saying last season) Time to move on! Agree with this. I have no problem with DC at all in terms of the way he has responded to questions. He has answered them honestly but not nastily. He hasn't slagged JW off but has said he disagreed with some of his decisions and would have done things differently. KP, you seem to be getting this well out of proportion in my view. Suggesting you can't respect the man is just, well, odd. You call it odd, I call it honourable behaviour. NOTHING the board has said has had any honour about it and they & DC have totally made a scapegoat of Ward. He wanted to go, they persuaded him to stay ; so, whose fault is it he was in the job ? I am sorry but they are projecting their own shortcomings onto one man. That does not sit well with me |
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Post by mehewmagic on Jul 25, 2014 0:32:17 GMT
Agree with this. I have no problem with DC at all in terms of the way he has responded to questions. He has answered them honestly but not nastily. He hasn't slagged JW off but has said he disagreed with some of his decisions and would have done things differently. KP, you seem to be getting this well out of proportion in my view. Suggesting you can't respect the man is just, well, odd. You call it odd, I call it honourable behaviour. NOTHING the board has said has had any honour about it and they & DC have totally made a scapegoat of Ward. He wanted to go, they persuaded him to stay ; so, whose fault is it he was in the job ? I am sorry but they are projecting their own shortcomings onto one man. That does not sit well with me let's get this in perspective. JW said he wanted to go upstairs. he didn't (apparently) say he wanted to leave all together, which is what you would expect if he had so much on is plate. he didn;t apparently say he;d lost his love for the game / wanted to retire / wanted to spend more time with his wife. Indeed he was then appointed DoF after all this stuff went on, picked up his salary to do what is basically a job with little pressure attached, and didn;t offer his resignation (as far as we know) after Mansfield. You say he was the only one brave enough to face to fans, but he was apparently told by some of those said fans that they didn;t want him here, but he didn't resign. He can't have it both ways. he can't contribute to a record breaking relegation, and then expect to get champagne and a nice DoF job. It would never have worked anyway. Can you imagine him signing players or recommending players to DC. A disaster waiting to happen. Given a choice between JW and DC i would have DC 100 times over. P.S. totally agree that the Board got in a right pickle over all this... and didn't realise how urgent a situation it was but that doesn't let JW escape the fact that he acted quite selfishly. If he really had all these things on his plate he really should have resigned and 100% left the club. AND certainly at least given DC the transfer window, and a chance to sign a striker, even if the Board hadn;t sorted out the nitty gritty / timing / contractural stuff. |
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Post by Peter Parker on Jul 25, 2014 5:27:45 GMT
And you fail to see the irony completely. Ah well, as you say, time to move on from the circus Sorry KP, 1957 has spelt it out exactly as I would have. At both the EGM and the Q&A sessions both DC and the BoD repeatedly said of the respect they had for John Ward, were you at either ? If you weren't then you're only going on part of what some have reported was said. You know by now from my various comments that I have been extremely critical of the Board, that still hasn't changed but they aren't the only one's the finger of blame should be pointed at. The BoD went to John several times during the season, he was eloquent and knowledgeable in his reply to them and assured them the squad was good enough to survive, what more were they supposed to do, they even said at the end of one meeting with him they stood up and applauded him as he left. As the BoD'S said their error (now of course in hindsight) was that they were too loyal to him. You among many have been critical of the style of our play, who was manager for most of the season ? No one likes where we are, no one wants to be where we are, there are a multitude of reasons for our demise but one thing I'm sure I don't want to be accused of is that I'm going to add to it by my inaction, so I'm attending as much preseason meetings as I can, have got my season ticket and will be yelling my support/abuse (depending how the match is progressing) from the Blackthorn End as usual. I have no intention of sniping from the sidelines but will be evoking the 'Eastville spirit'(I know you know what that is), you can either be part of it or just have your memories, the choice is yours. I think the biggest problem was appoiting a manager who didnt really want it in the first place. He did a job for us and i dont beleive the club even thought of appointing anyone else at that time. Even then after some time they would see he was not up for ot and could have done it, but it obvously dragged on and on, before a change of anything was too late. For me as well when the move upstairs came about. If the board were going to agree they should have given Clarke at least a day or two before the transfer window s***, especially when they themselves knew we needed a striker or two whatever JW said. Loyal maybe but stupid also That said JW deserves blame as well. Even if he thought we had enough he should have allowed DC some opportunity to add to the squad if he wished |
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