|
Post by PessimistGas on Aug 4, 2017 15:14:08 GMT
Good question pal. No mate he didn't.. oh and by the way for the naysayers who won't be interested but we brought in 2 players today including our old chum Sweeney. DC hasn't resigned, the world hasn't come to an end, and we have a game tomorrow! The long term plan remains. The future is blue and white!! What's the long term plan then? Must have missed that.
|
|
|
Post by PessimistGas on Aug 4, 2017 15:22:06 GMT
mothballed training ground?? Other than a bit of fencing no work has been carried out. I believe some preliminary plans have been submitted to SG Council but nothing further. And all expenses to date seemingly borrowed against the Mem (though it's all a bit of mystery in truth). Any other fan base might be demanding answers and posing some very awkward questions. Nevermind though, we got Sweeney and Wael is a top bloke who comes to the pub and is all over Twitter giving the impression he is communicating while saying nothing. The gas are going up! Same old s**t.
|
|
kegandeg
Joined: December 2016
Posts: 376
|
Post by kegandeg on Aug 4, 2017 15:25:48 GMT
Can't help but think landsdown has been sniffing around this or will be prepared to jump in now it's all gone Pete tong, this is right up his Street being involved with the student population and UWE infrastructure, Bristol rugby need somewhere permanent to play plus the women's football team.
|
|
|
Post by chelt_gas on Aug 5, 2017 0:37:34 GMT
Can't help but think landsdown has been sniffing around this or will be prepared to jump in now it's all gone Pete tong, this is right up his Street being involved with the student population and UWE infrastructure, Bristol rugby need somewhere permanent to play plus the women's football team. The stadium proposal is a matter of valuation for the parties concerned. Key to the proposal is (1) Value of Commercial Land against other potential land uses - this sees UWE's valuers advising on the potential for greater 'worth' if the land had an alternative development to the stadium (2) Value of land as a stadium - this is the price Rovers, the 'only' purchaser in this negotiation, are willing to pay at a point in time (3) the tenure granted by UWE to Rovers and any contractual stipulations - this ties in with 2. UWE cooperated with Higgs on the basis of (2) and (3) only for the plan to be obsolete once the club passed over to Duane Sports. DS wants a different outcome from a stadium development than what was contained in the original draft agreement and therefore the value of the development, and it's income-making potential, was not as enticing for UWE - especially considering the alternatives available to them as landowner. The return of investment from any project is key here. If the design of the stadium development is to generate additional income sources to feedback into the club then we cannot enter into an agreement with an owner who also lays claim to that additional income. I suspect that the overall aim of DS is to generate multiple income sources for the club to then sell at a larger market cap rate (in addition to a 'football club premium'). If UWE were only ever going to sell a leasehold and keep income-generating rights to themselves (car park, stadium-naming rights etc.) then that is not DS's plan although it may have been Higgs. Adding another stadium purchaser into the equation, with greater sources of purchasing power, doesn't help!! At lease a redevelopment Mem enables the present owners [the potential] to generate additional income sources albeit on a smaller scale level.
|
|
|
Post by baxtinho on Aug 6, 2017 10:07:50 GMT
You're the one who started the post with "Why keep the faith?" It's interesting that you can make a leap between trusting the manager who's given us three great years, and "the dark ages". Maybe I'm naturally more upbeat than you. All the best. What? I do trust the manager, based on the evidence of what he's done in the last 3 years.
On what basis do you have this 'faith' in the Al-Qadis? Tell me - where exactly is the money to keep the club open over the next 5 years, assuming continued annual losses, coming from?
I know they're a heck of a lot better than the last mob. I'd add too, that the spending money on signings shows they're keen to keep us improving. I don't know why you've got it out for them but I've seen nothing to suggest they're anything but positive.
|
|
faggotygas
Byron Anthony
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 1,862
|
Post by faggotygas on Aug 7, 2017 9:30:16 GMT
What? I do trust the manager, based on the evidence of what he's done in the last 3 years.
On what basis do you have this 'faith' in the Al-Qadis? Tell me - where exactly is the money to keep the club open over the next 5 years, assuming continued annual losses, coming from?
I know they're a heck of a lot better than the last mob. I'd add too, that the spending money on signings shows they're keen to keep us improving. I don't know why you've got it out for them but I've seen nothing to suggest they're anything but positive. Honestly, I havent got a thing against them. I just care about the continued existance of the club. It could be anyone in charge, and I would still want to see some kind of medium term financial reassurance and plans.
Some people assume that everything is great until a disaster happens. I'm the opposite!
For me, the big question is the £10m rolling credit facility. How much of that has already been spent, and what happens if it runs out?
|
|
eppinggas
Administrator
Ian Alexander
Don't care
Joined: June 2014
Posts: 8,181
|
Post by eppinggas on Aug 7, 2017 19:39:43 GMT
mothballed training ground?? Other than a bit of fencing no work has been carried out. I believe some preliminary plans have been submitted to SG Council but nothing further. Genuine question - what should we realistically expect the rate of progress to be at the training ground? To say it's been moth-balled is quite a strong statement. The honeymoon period looks like it might well be over. * The charge against the Mem (and associated allegations that there has been no direct Al-Qadi or outside investment) is a concern. * The UWE deal collapse is a concern. * The lack of a Plan B that Steve Hamer promised us - is a concern. Actually - edit that. Steve Hamer is a concern. * Suggestions that the Al-Qadi family may not be united is a concern. * Now your suggestion that the training ground has effectively been mothballed - is a concern. This does not paint a pretty picture. Up to now I have been 100% supportive of the Al-Qadi family - but I also said that Gasheads should question them and hold them to account just as they did with the Higgs regime. I'm not quite ready to unpick the Jordanian flag I hand stitched on to my favourite Rovers shirt just yet (Smart Computers BTW). But Wael - please speak up.
|
|
kingswood Polak
Without music life would be a mistake
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 10,263
|
Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 8, 2017 15:39:21 GMT
I'm relaxed and had sort of discounted this - if there were a deal there, it would have been made a long time ago. It would be great to hear the principles of it all, but the main thing is what happens next. I hope they give us some sort of idea about their thinking in the not too distant, but in the meantime, hey ho. Why spend 18 months getting to a point of no deal? How long now, another 5 10 year pipe dream to hope for? I just don't understand why so many people are relaxed about this. I don't think relaxed is the right term but resigned to yet another pipe dream that evaporated into the ether. It's more painful to the likes of you and I for other reasons. Personally I hated the idea of the UWE from day 1 but it doesn't mean I'm relaxed or happy it's failed. Small wonder the Teds call us the gift that keeps on giving
|
|
kingswood Polak
Without music life would be a mistake
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 10,263
|
Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 8, 2017 18:17:20 GMT
Surely you don't believe a bad deal at faceless bowl is better than no deal for a new ground? It'd have been the very definition of biting ones nose off to spite your face, imagine the meltdown in a few years time when the club is skint as we didn't make any money from home games! But a bad deal for what or whom, baxt? You are making many assumptions. Fact is, no one knows why the real reason(s) Dwayne Sports walked away. It may be the case not as much exploitation of revenues could be maximised by investors? It may be protected targets were unachievable? It might be a logistical issue? There may be funding issues? No one is silly enough to wish a Coventry situation, but my point still stands. This is something like a fiasco and someone has to be accountable, surely? Personally I felt it was dead when the guys bought into sort it left. I see no point in going over it and going around in circles as it will only bring up more questions. The relationship between Dwane and the AQ's is the big one and the way it's set up means we could very easily never know
|
|
|
Post by The Concept on Aug 10, 2017 19:05:01 GMT
'meltdown' as it leaked, I think when non-club sources are the best source of real information, that's what happens? It was leaked by some numpty of a club employee who couldn't keep his trap shut. We'll never know, but if the strategy was to pull out on Monday and wait to see if UWE blinked first, that has been royally cocked up by whoever decided to leak the information only two days later. The most disappointing thing of all of this for me is that the leaks had largely stopped since the Al-Qadis took over, but now some prat has ruined that. Agreed. I don't get the adulation poured out by some to the leak-er. The only thing it seems to have done is create consternation, bickering, and in-fighting. The news would have announced properly, shortly, as we all knew the planning deadlines were on the horizon. We've waited 18 months (years in total for a new stadium), and someone couldn't wait a couple more weeks, perhaps even days, before it would have been done properly.
|
|
|
Post by PessimistGas on Aug 10, 2017 22:08:41 GMT
It was leaked by some numpty of a club employee who couldn't keep his trap shut. We'll never know, but if the strategy was to pull out on Monday and wait to see if UWE blinked first, that has been royally cocked up by whoever decided to leak the information only two days later. The most disappointing thing of all of this for me is that the leaks had largely stopped since the Al-Qadis took over, but now some prat has ruined that. Agreed. I don't get the adulation poured out by some to the leak-er. The only thing it seems to have done is create consternation, bickering, and in-fighting. The news would have announced properly, shortly, as we all knew the planning deadlines were on the horizon. We've waited 18 months (years in total for a new stadium), and someone couldn't wait a couple more weeks, perhaps even days, before it would have been done properly. What a crock of s***. It wasn't leaked by a club employee at all, where did that come from? This whole post is nonsense, what could have been done properly? Announcing the fact that Hani has pulled funding would be a start.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 22:24:23 GMT
Agreed. I don't get the adulation poured out by some to the leak-er. The only thing it seems to have done is create consternation, bickering, and in-fighting. The news would have announced properly, shortly, as we all knew the planning deadlines were on the horizon. We've waited 18 months (years in total for a new stadium), and someone couldn't wait a couple more weeks, perhaps even days, before it would have been done properly. What a crock of s***. It wasn't leaked by a club employee at all, where did that come from? This whole post is nonsense, what could have been done properly? Announcing the fact that Hani has pulled funding would be a start. Initially it must have been PG. The trail is short though and I think the owners have already swooped.
|
|
Peter Parker
Global Moderator
Richard Walker
You have been sentenced to DELETION!
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 4,920
|
Post by Peter Parker on Aug 11, 2017 6:59:27 GMT
What a crock of s***. It wasn't leaked by a club employee at all, where did that come from? This whole post is nonsense, what could have been done properly? Announcing the fact that Hani has pulled funding would be a start. Initially it must have been PG. The trail is short though and I think the owners have already swooped.
I struggle to where a leak would have come from as surely The Al-Qadi's would be keeping things close to their chest (whatever the facts and truth). Hamer is only going to be told what he needs to know and Briand Ken are too irrelevant to be told anything
|
|
strung out
Administrator
Paul Hardyman
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 758
|
Post by strung out on Aug 11, 2017 8:29:09 GMT
Initially it must have been PG. The trail is short though and I think the owners have already swooped.
I struggle to where a leak would have come from as surely The Al-Qadi's would be keeping things close to their chest (whatever the facts and truth). Hamer is only going to be told what he needs to know and Briand Ken are too irrelevant to be told anything
Hamer has been involved in negotiations. Not suggesting the leak necessarily came from him, just stating that people outside of the Al Qadi family could/would have been aware of what's been going on.
|
|