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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 2, 2017 22:54:56 GMT
yer man on the other site offers the following - it doesn't seem wide of the mark to me....
Perhaps the club can issue a fully detailed statement saying why it was not possible to close the deal. That would resolve all the issues, because UWE would be able to publically refute any porkies then.
They can now put houses on it for top dollar land prices. That was the problem all along.
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 2, 2017 22:57:11 GMT
from the same source....
Chris Brown has forced their hand quite rightly. This has been known for some time now, but at least the bullsh*t delays re an announcement has now been brought to an end.
Well done Browner.
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Post by holmz on Aug 2, 2017 23:04:25 GMT
I'm relaxed and had sort of discounted this - if there were a deal there, it would have been made a long time ago. It would be great to hear the principles of it all, but the main thing is what happens next. I hope they give us some sort of idea about their thinking in the not too distant, but in the meantime, hey ho. Why spend 18 months getting to a point of no deal? How long now, another 5 10 year pipe dream to hope for? I just don't understand why so many people are relaxed about this. It's called negotiating. I understand the original agreement formed with the previous owners was not particularly beneficial to the club to say the least. Wael & his team have come in and reviewed the plans/contracts from scratch and obviously have spent a lot of time, money and resources attempting to renegotiate the contract to ensure that the new stadium is profitable and sustainable etc. This is what it is like to have a professionally run club. Unfortunately (and sort of understandably from UWE's point of view - given how favourable the previous deal apparently was to them); the deal evidently could not be modified so that both parties were happy and now we have had to walk away. It's a shame, but I am confident that the decision was made in the best interests of the club. I hope that now the owners will focus on a different site - where the land is owned by the club and so no reliance on any other parties... I'm am sure modifications will be made to the Mem in the interim to modernise... and we should see some decent progress on the new training ground too. There is still every reason to be optimistic, I think.
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Post by gloverinoldland on Aug 2, 2017 23:20:41 GMT
Would Hortham Lane be a possibility for the new stadium?
I don't know the geography of the site as to whether it's big enough but at least it would be built on land you owned.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 23:22:48 GMT
Why spend 18 months getting to a point of no deal? How long now, another 5 10 year pipe dream to hope for? I just don't understand why so many people are relaxed about this. It's called negotiating. I understand the original agreement formed with the previous owners was not particularly beneficial to the club to say the least. Wael & his team have come in and reviewed the plans/contracts from scratch and obviously have spent a lot of time, money and resources attempting to renegotiate the contract to ensure that the new stadium is profitable and sustainable etc. This is what it is like to have a professionally run club. Unfortunately (and sort of understandably from UWE's point of view - given how favourable the previous deal apparently was to them); the deal evidently could not be modified so that both parties were happy and now we have had to walk away. It's a shame, but I am confident that the decision was made in the best interests of the club. I hope that now the owners will focus on a different site - where the land is owned by the club and so no reliance on any other parties... I'm am sure modifications will be made to the Mem in the interim to modernise... and we should see some decent progress on the new training ground too. There is still every reason to be optimistic, I think. Pretty much my view, although I'd hope (and expect) they'd have already put some thought into what the alternative might be - though that might be subject to us only being told 'other sites' for some time. They were right to pursue it, but also right to have a cut-off date. That might have been a bit sooner, but this one had an internal logic to it, given the planning permission issue. It seems this date was established (and known to all parties, including us) months ago. I'm encouraged that they have stuck to it and announced the result. That smacks of good governance to me. Compare and contrast. Like I said, it's where that leaves us that matters.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 23:23:13 GMT
Why spend 18 months getting to a point of no deal? How long now, another 5 10 year pipe dream to hope for? I just don't understand why so many people are relaxed about this. It's called negotiating. I understand the original agreement formed with the previous owners was not particularly beneficial to the club to say the least. Wael & his team have come in and reviewed the plans/contracts from scratch and obviously have spent a lot of time, money and resources attempting to renegotiate the contract to ensure that the new stadium is profitable and sustainable etc. This is what it is like to have a professionally run club. Unfortunately (and sort of understandably from UWE's point of view - given how favourable the previous deal apparently was to them); the deal evidently could not be modified so that both parties were happy and now we have had to walk away. It's a shame, but I am confident that the decision was made in the best interests of the club. I hope that now the owners will focus on a different site - where the land is owned by the club and so no reliance on any other parties... I'm am sure modifications will be made to the Mem in the interim to modernise... and we should see some decent progress on the new training ground too. There is still every reason to be optimistic, I think. 18 months to say no? I don't buy that at all, and i'm interested to know why SH told a group of 40 business owners in the centenary stand a few months ago that there was a plan B, would love to know where they have earmarked land for Plan B, it surely can't be the Mem, whatever the future one guarantee is we will not be sat in a new stadium in the next five years, and given the momentum built up in recent years this is a huge issue. I didn't want to believe in what Swiss Gas was alluding to recently but I smell a rat now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 23:25:57 GMT
Would Hortham Lane be a possibility for the new stadium? I don't know the geography of the site as to whether it's big enough but at least it would be built on land you owned. Access to Hortham is by a lane, site is not big enough, residents would be up in arms, cannot think of any land in South Gloucs plausible that would not face fierce local opposition from some pressure group and years of legal battles.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 23:34:54 GMT
It's called negotiating. I understand the original agreement formed with the previous owners was not particularly beneficial to the club to say the least. Wael & his team have come in and reviewed the plans/contracts from scratch and obviously have spent a lot of time, money and resources attempting to renegotiate the contract to ensure that the new stadium is profitable and sustainable etc. This is what it is like to have a professionally run club. Unfortunately (and sort of understandably from UWE's point of view - given how favourable the previous deal apparently was to them); the deal evidently could not be modified so that both parties were happy and now we have had to walk away. It's a shame, but I am confident that the decision was made in the best interests of the club. I hope that now the owners will focus on a different site - where the land is owned by the club and so no reliance on any other parties... I'm am sure modifications will be made to the Mem in the interim to modernise... and we should see some decent progress on the new training ground too. There is still every reason to be optimistic, I think. 18 months to say no? I don't buy that at all, and i'm interested to know why SH told a group of 40 business owners in the centenary stand a few months ago that there was a plan B, would love to know where they have earmarked land for Plan B, it surely can't be the Mem, whatever the future one guarantee is we will not be sat in a new stadium in the next five years, and given the momentum built up in recent years this is a huge issue. I didn't want to believe in what Swiss Gas was alluding to recently but I smell a rat now. what was swiss gas implying?
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Post by DudeLebowski on Aug 2, 2017 23:46:27 GMT
Absolute state of some of these replies.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 23:51:05 GMT
18 months to say no? I don't buy that at all, and i'm interested to know why SH told a group of 40 business owners in the centenary stand a few months ago that there was a plan B, would love to know where they have earmarked land for Plan B, it surely can't be the Mem, whatever the future one guarantee is we will not be sat in a new stadium in the next five years, and given the momentum built up in recent years this is a huge issue. I didn't want to believe in what Swiss Gas was alluding to recently but I smell a rat now. what was swiss gas implying? Read his last 5 posts.
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Post by JeffNZ on Aug 2, 2017 23:57:24 GMT
Having read much of tonight's revelations I don't think that's the end of the bad news. I suspect some of those behind Wael (whoever they are) either want out and their money back or have indicated they no longer intend to invest. Rovers are £1.6M in debt and the only real asset we have is the Mem. I know, how about we sell it and then rent it back...that could work out well. Without any new money coming in then administration may be a real possibility. Really hope I'm wrong but this whole thing has a bad smell to it. Oh the emotional roll coaster of being a Gashead.
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Post by robblue on Aug 3, 2017 5:56:40 GMT
The only land that is big enough for a stadium is in avomnouth area and no one would complain . But who would want it there . Any other sites have been looked at before . I can't see it happening at all .😭
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 3, 2017 6:05:02 GMT
The only land that is big enough for a stadium is in avomnouth area and no one would complain . But who would want it there . Any other sites have been looked at before . I can't see it happening at all .😭 Emersons Green
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 3, 2017 6:10:25 GMT
The chairman categorically stated on the night of the Wael bbc documentary at the Mem we would be getting he uwe.
He lied.
We are all being deceived as to his and others' credibility in running a professional club. Don't let your heart rule your head, GasHeads, something is very wrong here.
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Post by pirateduncan on Aug 3, 2017 6:54:07 GMT
Same s**t different decade. We already guessed it was going nowhere and neither will the next scheme or the next. At least plenty of lawyers and town planners are making a packet from us. Not to mention comedians.
Ha ha.
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Post by billyocean on Aug 3, 2017 7:23:06 GMT
Would Hortham Lane be a possibility for the new stadium? I don't know the geography of the site as to whether it's big enough but at least it would be built on land you owned. There is one tiny road in and out so no chance. You'd need to do something like add a new exit off the M4/M5 interchange and a completely new road infrastructure.
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Post by trunky on Aug 3, 2017 7:37:09 GMT
Another huge disappointment, does anything ever change with this club I have watched them for fifty five years they are playing at the same level now as they were then (old 3rd division)and I fear I wont live long enough to see us playing in a decent ground with decent facilities.
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Post by bloogas on Aug 3, 2017 7:42:13 GMT
I'm relaxed and had sort of discounted this - if there were a deal there, it would have been made a long time ago. It would be great to hear the principles of it all, but the main thing is what happens next. I hope they give us some sort of idea about their thinking in the not too distant, but in the meantime, hey ho. Why spend 18 months getting to a point of no deal? How long now, another 5 10 year pipe dream to hope for? I just don't understand why so many people are relaxed about this. Because having supported since 1970....IT'S WHAT I'M F***ING USED TO!
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Post by JeffNZ on Aug 3, 2017 7:42:40 GMT
Another huge disappointment, does anything ever change with this club I have watched them for fifty five years they are playing at the same level now as they were then (old 3rd division)and I fear I wont live long enough to see us playing in a decent ground with decent facilities.
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 3, 2017 8:07:33 GMT
UWE statement /photo/1
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