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Post by pirateduncan on Aug 3, 2017 15:15:53 GMT
you and me both my friend (and fair point btw)
having managed to drag myself away from the daily forum stuff and increasingly following the team less, the stadium saga is merely a soap opera to me now and jolly good fun it is too; though like any true soap the storyline does of course follow a set pattern and a repitition no set of supporters should be subjected to....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 22:10:11 GMT
Bad day in and out of the office yesterday mate, everything is going Pete Tong atm, then just about to nod off at 11 last night and the news came out, OTT on my part comparing WAQ to Higgs, that said, the fact the news was broken by a fan who had known for sometime leaves an air of wondering why the club just didn't announce sooner, something isn't feeling right about it just being a case of negotiations breaking down and we move on, waiting to be proved wrong about there being a Plan B as advised by SH. Fair enough, wasn't having a dig. Hope all is well, utg. Wish all was was well, but such is life, some chapters read well and others would be great to avoid, we soldier on
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Post by baxtinho on Aug 4, 2017 8:02:13 GMT
You put this far better than I could. This is exactly what I was thinking. The gang we had before obviously made a complete hash of the contact, and Wael and his team were determined to renegotiate in our best interests. I would rather wait for a better deal than dive headfirst into a new stadium which could end up in bankruptcy. Everyone is rightly disappointed but I would imagine that includes Wael. Let's keep the faith. Why keep the faith? We don't know these people from Adam. We had never heard of them 2 years ago. We don't even know where the money for Dwayne sports has/is coming from, not really.
They might turn out to be brilliant, but we should be asking questions, its our club.
What an odd stance to take. What about taking chances on people or players we might not have known too much about? Or a manager who had only been at a much lower level before? Or giving an untested youngster a go, or trying a new tactic or formation.
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Post by bloogas on Aug 4, 2017 8:17:37 GMT
I've just bought a birthday cake for the wife. When I went to collect it the price had gone up 60%. I said "sorry, you said £xx,I'm not paying that." Stuck to my guns,politely. In the end got it at price given originally (I accept a mistake had both made, but not my problem.) Negotiation. Works. And silence is golden. I reckon the negotiations are in fact just beginning, & agree on who seems to be blinking first.
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Post by tanksfull on Aug 4, 2017 8:46:23 GMT
Strange with AQ's I always tend to look to the positive, with the old board the opposite. I maybe/have been completely wrong about both. However, silence is often a very good negotiating tool. In December last year on a house sale, I told the buyer the deal was off the day of exchange because they started to play games. In all negotiations there comes a day you draw a line, you have to be prepared to follow through and walk away and then you see if the other side blink. The UWE's comments that they are still open to a deal suggests someone may already be blinking. As there is no one else I see (apart from the the unsubstantiated SL' comments on Gaschat) of anyone else other than us being able to do this deal by jan 2018, UWE have one person do a deal with, us. Maybe I am being over optimistic, but I really cannot see after some of the investment this year the AQ's walking away. The situation is so bizarre and SH so carefully evasive - except when asked if negotiations can be resurrected - that I totally agree.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 10:03:33 GMT
Hamer press conference where he announces Al-Qadis putting Rovers up for sale.... did he ?
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Post by Teigngas on Aug 4, 2017 10:14:01 GMT
I've just bought a birthday cake for the wife. When I went to collect it the price had gone up 60%. I said "sorry, you said £xx,I'm not paying that." Stuck to my guns,politely. In the end got it at price given originally (I accept a mistake had both made, but not my problem.) Negotiation. Works. And silence is golden. I reckon the negotiations are in fact just beginning, & agree on who seems to be blinking first.When I heard the news, then learned that UWE had made a statement (for the first time ever) this is what went through my mind. I tend to be a glass half full person though which is a bit remarkable seeing I have been following Rovers for nigh on 50 years. Let us just hope that this is the case and not yet another disappointment. The meltdown on here, although understandable given what we have gone through in the past, is in my opinion unjustified at the moment, but I expect Wael to make a statement next week putting some meat on the bones. If this does not happen maybe my opinion might start to change.
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 4, 2017 10:16:36 GMT
'meltdown' as it leaked, I think when non-club sources are the best source of real information, that's what happens?
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Post by strung out on Aug 4, 2017 10:28:14 GMT
'meltdown' as it leaked, I think when non-club sources are the best source of real information, that's what happens? It was leaked by some numpty of a club employee who couldn't keep his trap shut. We'll never know, but if the strategy was to pull out on Monday and wait to see if UWE blinked first, that has been royally cocked up by whoever decided to leak the information only two days later. The most disappointing thing of all of this for me is that the leaks had largely stopped since the Al-Qadis took over, but now some prat has ruined that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 10:34:10 GMT
Torquay anyone?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 4, 2017 10:38:51 GMT
Hamer press conference where he announces Al-Qadis putting Rovers up for sale.... did he ? Good question pal. No mate he didn't.. oh and by the way for the naysayers who won't be interested but we brought in 2 players today including our old chum Sweeney. DC hasn't resigned, the world hasn't come to an end, and we have a game tomorrow! The long term plan remains. The future is blue and white!!
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Post by kidgas on Aug 4, 2017 10:45:28 GMT
'meltdown' as it leaked, I think when non-club sources are the best source of real information, that's what happens? It was leaked by some numpty of a club employee who couldn't keep his trap shut. We'll never know, but if the strategy was to pull out on Monday and wait to see if UWE blinked first, that has been royally cocked up by whoever decided to leak the information only two days later. The most disappointing thing of all of this for me is that the leaks had largely stopped since the Al-Qadis took over, but now some prat has ruined that. If indeed it was a club employee who couldn't keep his/her trap shut, then I'd expect them to be a club employee for not much longer!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 10:55:43 GMT
It was leaked by some numpty of a club employee who couldn't keep his trap shut. We'll never know, but if the strategy was to pull out on Monday and wait to see if UWE blinked first, that has been royally cocked up by whoever decided to leak the information only two days later. The most disappointing thing of all of this for me is that the leaks had largely stopped since the Al-Qadis took over, but now some prat has ruined that. If indeed it was a club employee who couldn't keep his/her trap shut, then I'd expect them to be a club employee for not much longer! It's more likely that it was leaked but somebody who is owed a large amount of money possibly associated with the now defunct UWE plan or maybe the mothballed training ground??
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 4, 2017 11:26:07 GMT
Why keep the faith? We don't know these people from Adam. We had never heard of them 2 years ago. We don't even know where the money for Dwayne sports has/is coming from, not really.
They might turn out to be brilliant, but we should be asking questions, its our club.
What an odd stance to take. What about taking chances on people or players we might not have known too much about? Or a manager who had only been at a much lower level before? Or giving an untested youngster a go, or trying a new tactic or formation. When we get a new player, do we just 'keep the faith' and ignore thier subsequent performances? Do you find a bit out about thier background? Where they play on the pitch? What thier strengths are? I assume that the manager does!
I'm not saying don't give someone a chance. Just not a blind chance, which 'keep the faith' implies. Do you take everything you are ever told as a cast iron certainty? With that attitude, humanity would still be in the dark ages.
We have a duty as the current supporters of this grand old club to be vigilant. We must question and probe, examine risks and make contingencies, to ensure that the club has a future and we can pass it down to the next generation. No-one else is going to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 11:30:39 GMT
If indeed it was a club employee who couldn't keep his/her trap shut, then I'd expect them to be a club employee for not much longer! It's more likely that it was leaked but somebody who is owed a large amount of money possibly associated with the now defunct UWE plan or maybe the mothballed training ground?? mothballed training ground??
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Post by tanksfull on Aug 4, 2017 11:42:20 GMT
'meltdown' as it leaked, I think when non-club sources are the best source of real information, that's what happens? It was leaked by some numpty of a club employee who couldn't keep his trap shut. We'll never know, but if the strategy was to pull out on Monday and wait to see if UWE blinked first, that has been royally cocked up by whoever decided to leak the information only two days later. The most disappointing thing of all of this for me is that the leaks had largely stopped since the Al-Qadis took over, but now some prat has ruined that. I'm not sure it makes too much difference. Has the situation really changed just because people are talking about it? In some respects it's better leaked than advised by the Club. It might have been worse if a week had gone by with no blinking as surely the Club would have had to have said something before then if the strategy were to be believed? At least this way it's already in the open through a back door. It could be the perfect strategy? Even the late evening timing could prove perfect? There could be "loss of face" on both sides if the deal is now put together but I'm sure pride will not stand in the way of either party; there is far too much to lose.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 12:07:45 GMT
It's more likely that it was leaked but somebody who is owed a large amount of money possibly associated with the now defunct UWE plan or maybe the mothballed training ground?? mothballed training ground?? Other than a bit of fencing no work has been carried out. I believe some preliminary plans have been submitted to SG Council but nothing further.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 12:20:02 GMT
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Post by baxtinho on Aug 4, 2017 13:08:55 GMT
What an odd stance to take. What about taking chances on people or players we might not have known too much about? Or a manager who had only been at a much lower level before? Or giving an untested youngster a go, or trying a new tactic or formation. When we get a new player, do we just 'keep the faith' and ignore thier subsequent performances? Do you find a bit out about thier background? Where they play on the pitch? What thier strengths are? I assume that the manager does!
I'm not saying don't give someone a chance. Just not a blind chance, which 'keep the faith' implies. Do you take everything you are ever told as a cast iron certainty? With that attitude, humanity would still be in the dark ages.
We have a duty as the current supporters of this grand old club to be vigilant. We must question and probe, examine risks and make contingencies, to ensure that the club has a future and we can pass it down to the next generation. No-one else is going to.
You're the one who started the post with "Why keep the faith?" It's interesting that you can make a leap between trusting the manager who's given us three great years, and "the dark ages". Maybe I'm naturally more upbeat than you. All the best.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 4, 2017 14:15:04 GMT
When we get a new player, do we just 'keep the faith' and ignore thier subsequent performances? Do you find a bit out about thier background? Where they play on the pitch? What thier strengths are? I assume that the manager does!
I'm not saying don't give someone a chance. Just not a blind chance, which 'keep the faith' implies. Do you take everything you are ever told as a cast iron certainty? With that attitude, humanity would still be in the dark ages.
We have a duty as the current supporters of this grand old club to be vigilant. We must question and probe, examine risks and make contingencies, to ensure that the club has a future and we can pass it down to the next generation. No-one else is going to.
You're the one who started the post with "Why keep the faith?" It's interesting that you can make a leap between trusting the manager who's given us three great years, and "the dark ages". Maybe I'm naturally more upbeat than you. All the best. What? I do trust the manager, based on the evidence of what he's done in the last 3 years.
On what basis do you have this 'faith' in the Al-Qadis? Tell me - where exactly is the money to keep the club open over the next 5 years, assuming continued annual losses, coming from?
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