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Post by baxtinho on Aug 3, 2017 10:39:47 GMT
Surely you don't believe a bad deal at faceless bowl is better than no deal for a new ground? It'd have been the very definition of biting ones nose off to spite your face, imagine the meltdown in a few years time when the club is skint as we didn't make any money from home games! But a bad deal for what or whom, baxt? You are making many assumptions. Fact is, no one knows why the real reason(s) Dwayne Sports walked away. It may be the case not as much exploitation of revenues could be maximised by investors? It may be protected targets were unachievable? It might be a logistical issue? There may be funding issues? No one is silly enough to wish a Coventry situation, but my point still stands. This is something like a fiasco and someone has to be accountable, surely? Forgive me if I get the facts wrong, but I think at UWE, Rovers wouldn't have got any of the revenues from non-ticket sources, therefore doing themselves out of a lot. That, to me sounds like a bad deal for the club. Plus there's the whole issue of the freehold (which, again, I don't have all the facts to). Anyway, it all struck me as a deal to placate the moaning portion of our fans, that's why the current board & owners were so reluctant to rush into anything.
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Post by baxtinho on Aug 3, 2017 10:41:05 GMT
I think a lot of fans were clamouring for a stadium deal of any sorts - which is why people got their hopes up over this crap one which would've seen us turn into another Coventry, where we don't make much from our own home games. Wasted far too much money with the Sainsbury's saga and all the court appearances, so I think they had had their fingers burned. You're crazy if you think the current set up is anywhere near as shady and disingenuous than the last lot! Bad day in and out of the office yesterday mate, everything is going Pete Tong atm, then just about to nod off at 11 last night and the news came out, OTT on my part comparing WAQ to Higgs, that said, the fact the news was broken by a fan who had known for sometime leaves an air of wondering why the club just didn't announce sooner, something isn't feeling right about it just being a case of negotiations breaking down and we move on, waiting to be proved wrong about there being a Plan B as advised by SH. Fair enough, wasn't having a dig. Hope all is well, utg.
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Post by holmz on Aug 3, 2017 10:51:37 GMT
Where has all this bad deal bollocks come from? Contracts were due to be signed and exchanged, the deal wouldn't have got to such an advanced stage if it was a bad one. I see the cheerleaders for the new regime are still out in force. You think Higgs negotiated a mutually beneficial deal for Rovers & UWE? Non match day profit %, naming rights, protection of land ownership? etc etc I could understand why the new owners would have to start from scratch - and renegotiating a deal that UWE had agreed with the previous owners must have been very difficult. As for how far talks had progressed before things collapsed; we surely don't know? .. and none of us can know exactly what caused the breakdown yet - other than speculation. Let's see what the press conference says..
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Post by PessimistGas on Aug 3, 2017 10:52:15 GMT
Hilarious that UWE finally come out and speak for the first time in 5 years. Presumably because they are finally not getting what Higgs promised them in that watertight contract. The meltdown here really is hilarious. The club is in a million times better state than anytime NH had the reigns, yet everyone is in severe panic mode all of a sudden? Jacking in the UWE is the best option. No thanks to the previous Circus. Whatever speed bumps we've recently met, I'm confident WAQ & the dudes will sort it out. What's your positive spin on the bills not being paid then?
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Post by holmz on Aug 3, 2017 10:59:59 GMT
Hilarious that UWE finally come out and speak for the first time in 5 years. Presumably because they are finally not getting what Higgs promised them in that watertight contract. The meltdown here really is hilarious. The club is in a million times better state than anytime NH had the reigns, yet everyone is in severe panic mode all of a sudden? Jacking in the UWE is the best option. No thanks to the previous Circus. Whatever speed bumps we've recently met, I'm confident WAQ & the dudes will sort it out. What's your positive spin on the bills not being paid then? I personally would just say "citation needed"
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Post by PessimistGas on Aug 3, 2017 11:02:29 GMT
What's your positive spin on the bills not being paid then? I personally would just say "citation needed" I only know what Chris Brown has put out there, read the thread on the other forum.
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 3, 2017 11:20:10 GMT
Hilarious that UWE finally come out and speak for the first time in 5 years. Presumably because they are finally not getting what Higgs promised them in that watertight contract. The meltdown here really is hilarious. The club is in a million times better state than anytime NH had the reigns, yet everyone is in severe panic mode all of a sudden? Jacking in the UWE is the best option. No thanks to the previous Circus. Whatever speed bumps we've recently met, I'm confident WAQ & the dudes will sort it out. What's your positive spin on the bills not being paid then? What bills and what facts?
Not could if true, but no FACTS yet
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Post by DudeLebowski on Aug 3, 2017 11:25:40 GMT
Hilarious that UWE finally come out and speak for the first time in 5 years. Presumably because they are finally not getting what Higgs promised them in that watertight contract. The meltdown here really is hilarious. The club is in a million times better state than anytime NH had the reigns, yet everyone is in severe panic mode all of a sudden? Jacking in the UWE is the best option. No thanks to the previous Circus. Whatever speed bumps we've recently met, I'm confident WAQ & the dudes will sort it out. What's your positive spin on the bills not being paid then? Is this an official release or another Facebook ITK guy?!
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Post by pirateduncan on Aug 3, 2017 11:38:21 GMT
The trouble with the no deal is better than a bad one argument is that the whole purpose behind each of the two schemes of the last decade was because the current situation is (or was) financially unsustainable. So actually yes going back to drawing board following such wasted money is a big problem. Still keep the faith. The mem was guaranteed (by two different chairmen) and any naysayers were miserables. The uwe was guaranteed by two different leaders and any naysayers were smashed and the next ridiculous scheme will be the same. Life goes on, cannot get worked up about rovers these days.
Good luck pirates....
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Post by irishrover on Aug 3, 2017 13:16:53 GMT
Hilarious that UWE finally come out and speak for the first time in 5 years. Presumably because they are finally not getting what Higgs promised them in that watertight contract. The meltdown here really is hilarious. The club is in a million times better state than anytime NH had the reigns, yet everyone is in severe panic mode all of a sudden? Jacking in the UWE is the best option. No thanks to the previous Circus. Whatever speed bumps we've recently met, I'm confident WAQ & the dudes will sort it out. Really?
That seems like quite a confident set of assumptions to make I feel. I see more reasons for pessimism than optimism here at this stage. The Al-Qadi's did not take over Rovers because they have Gasheads at heart or because they fancied a bit of a crack at running a lower league football club. Presumably they did so because they could see the possibility of making a penny or 2 and the main way of doing that was through the property deal on the stadium. That the deal seems to have gone South with no obvious alternative on the table should be a matter for great concern I think regarding their longer term interest in the club.
I want to see some positive statements out of the club very quickly please - instead we have obfuscation, inconsistencies and silence. None of which strikes me as good.
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Post by PessimistGas on Aug 3, 2017 13:35:53 GMT
Hilarious that UWE finally come out and speak for the first time in 5 years. Presumably because they are finally not getting what Higgs promised them in that watertight contract. The meltdown here really is hilarious. The club is in a million times better state than anytime NH had the reigns, yet everyone is in severe panic mode all of a sudden? Jacking in the UWE is the best option. No thanks to the previous Circus. Whatever speed bumps we've recently met, I'm confident WAQ & the dudes will sort it out. Really?
That seems like quite a confident set of assumptions to make I feel. I see more reasons for pessimism than optimism here at this stage. The Al-Qadi's did not take over Rovers because they have Gasheads at heart or because they fancied a bit of a crack at running a lower league football club. Presumably they did so because they could see the possibility of making a penny or 2 and the main way of doing that was through the property deal on the stadium. That the deal seems to have gone South with no obvious alternative on the table should be a matter for great concern I think regarding their longer term interest in the club.
I want to see some positive statements out of the club very quickly please - instead we have obfuscation, inconsistencies and silence. None of which strikes me as good.
The club stopped communicating after the first few months. Where is Wael? Where is Hamer? Who is providing leadership? This is just like the bad old days. It seems the family were happy to spunk a couple of million on Wael's little hobby but things just got real and they have pulled the plug. I actually believe the UWE on this one as it appears that we have had the contract ready to sign for some time. I'm confident the line will be (whenever someone has the balls to stick their head above the parapet) tarting up the Mem, stopping short of a full redevlopment. The real question is how long before the club is up for sale and, bearing in mind the charge on the Men, who exactly will want their money back.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 13:37:42 GMT
Hilarious that UWE finally come out and speak for the first time in 5 years. Presumably because they are finally not getting what Higgs promised them in that watertight contract. The meltdown here really is hilarious. The club is in a million times better state than anytime NH had the reigns, yet everyone is in severe panic mode all of a sudden? Jacking in the UWE is the best option. No thanks to the previous Circus. Whatever speed bumps we've recently met, I'm confident WAQ & the dudes will sort it out. Really?
That seems like quite a confident set of assumptions to make I feel. I see more reasons for pessimism than optimism here at this stage. The Al-Qadi's did not take over Rovers because they have Gasheads at heart or because they fancied a bit of a crack at running a lower league football club. Presumably they did so because they could see the possibility of making a penny or 2 and the main way of doing that was through the property deal on the stadium. That the deal seems to have gone South with no obvious alternative on the table should be a matter for great concern I think regarding their longer term interest in the club.
I want to see some positive statements out of the club very quickly please - instead we have obfuscation, inconsistencies and silence. None of which strikes me as good.
Do we? They've been consistent in not commenting on the discussions. In about March they said it needed to be sorted by August or it's off. In August they've said it's not sorted, so it's off. I agree it's largely silence (not a bad thing, in the context), but I don't think there's obfuscation or inconsistency - far from it. I think we now warrant a wide-ranging statment and explanation of what's occurred and where we are, though.
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Post by manchestergas on Aug 3, 2017 13:44:06 GMT
Strange with AQ's I always tend to look to the positive, with the old board the opposite. I maybe/have been completely wrong about both.
However, silence is often a very good negotiating tool.
In December last year on a house sale, I told the buyer the deal was off the day of exchange because they started to play games. In all negotiations there comes a day you draw a line, you have to be prepared to follow through and walk away and then you see if the other side blink. The UWE's comments that they are still open to a deal suggests someone may already be blinking. As there is no one else I see (apart from the the unsubstantiated SL' comments on Gaschat) of anyone else other than us being able to do this deal by jan 2018, UWE have one person do a deal with, us.
Maybe I am being over optimistic, but I really cannot see after some of the investment this year the AQ's walking away.
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Post by basel on Aug 3, 2017 14:04:47 GMT
Come Wael,let's here from you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 14:06:27 GMT
Strange with AQ's I always tend to look to the positive, with the old board the opposite. I maybe/have been completely wrong about both. However, silence is often a very good negotiating tool. In December last year on a house sale, I told the buyer the deal was off the day of exchange because they started to play games. In all negotiations there comes a day you draw a line, you have to be prepared to follow through and walk away and then you see if the other side blink. The UWE's comments that they are still open to a deal suggests someone may already be blinking. As there is no one else I see (apart from the the unsubstantiated SL' comments on Gaschat) of anyone else other than us being able to do this deal by jan 2018, UWE have one person do a deal with, us. Maybe I am being over optimistic, but I really cannot see after some of the investment this year the AQ's walking away. That's four separate points. On the first: me too (except that I've no grounds to revise my opinion of the old board). Then: I agree. Then: I agree, although I'd hold them blinking as the exception, with walk away as the intent - and I'd want serious signs of change to the point of rapid resolution in order to compromise that. Then: I agree.
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Post by DudeLebowski on Aug 3, 2017 14:19:36 GMT
4pm lads. 4pm.
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Post by kegandeg on Aug 3, 2017 14:27:30 GMT
4pm where and how ?
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Post by holmz on Aug 3, 2017 14:32:58 GMT
Hamer press conference where he announces Al-Qadis putting Rovers up for sale....
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Post by pirateduncan on Aug 3, 2017 15:05:26 GMT
Strange with AQ's I always tend to look to the positive, with the old board the opposite. I maybe/have been completely wrong about both. However, silence is often a very good negotiating tool. In December last year on a house sale, I told the buyer the deal was off the day of exchange because they started to play games. In all negotiations there comes a day you draw a line, you have to be prepared to follow through and walk away and then you see if the other side blink. The UWE's comments that they are still open to a deal suggests someone may already be blinking. As there is no one else I see (apart from the the unsubstantiated SL' comments on Gaschat) of anyone else other than us being able to do this deal by jan 2018, UWE have one person do a deal with, us. Maybe I am being over optimistic, but I really cannot see after some of the investment this year the AQ's walking away. If the deal is all but ready to be signed, silence doesn't seem the best negotiating tactic to me...
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Post by manchestergas on Aug 3, 2017 15:08:37 GMT
agree. Although if there was a sticking point and the UWE thought the club could not walk away because of the 's**t storm' that would ensur, then a few days/weeks of silence can crystalise thoughts.
Anyway its pure speculation and I do not claim to be ITK.
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