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Post by Gregory Stevens on Apr 10, 2015 12:28:01 GMT
Looking at it from another angel you'd think a 42 year old, who seems to be reasonably educated, would have more sense than to put himself in a situation where he had to face criminal charges etc? Ignorant racists and their defenders cant help themselves go f**k yourself
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Apr 10, 2015 12:31:16 GMT
Only truly primitive societies have rules about 'insults'. Go to the middle east you will find lots of rules about insults and how ones pride may be avenged through the state.
I abhor racists etc etc, just another way to get a big powerfull state to persecute people for saying things you dont agree with.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 12:50:36 GMT
Ignorant racists and their defenders cant help themselves go f yourself If you don't agree with it, say so but no need for that. Please remember that other people read this forum as well.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Apr 10, 2015 13:23:23 GMT
If you don't agree with it, say so but no need for that. Please remember that other people read this forum as well. Is this a new stand by mods against personal abuse?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 13:29:44 GMT
If you don't agree with it, say so but no need for that. Please remember that other people read this forum as well. Is this a new stand by mods against personal abuse? The response was my own, but yes if I see personal abuse whilst reading topics I will act on it. There is no need for it as far as I am concerned.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Apr 10, 2015 14:45:10 GMT
Is this a new stand by mods against personal abuse? The response was my own, but yes if I see personal abuse whilst reading topics I will act on it. There is no need for it as far as I am concerned. Genuine question as never seen any comment from a mod specifically responding to a post containing personal abuse. Seen plenty of generral 'it's not acceptable' posts. You could be busy on threads involving me
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Apr 10, 2015 15:01:01 GMT
If you don't agree with it, say so but no need for that. Please remember that other people read this forum as well. Fair enough, point taken. I could have used 1000 words to say the same thing.
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Apr 10, 2015 15:10:14 GMT
So a man has a huge legal process to deal with, a criminal record, community service and the cost of his own prosecution to pay. he will probably lose his job. The taxpayer also covers some of the tab to rehabilitate this offender. as we have seen, the public aren't really that interested in it. So all of this hullabaloo for what, a comment shouted on a football terrace. I think we should cut out the tongue, or chop hands off, that would make them think twice. Looking at it from another angel you'd think a 42 year old, who seems to be reasonably educated, would have more sense than to put himself in a situation where he had to face criminal charges etc? Ah yes, a sound argument often used by authorities of totalitarian regimes....you don't have to be a dissident, now we have tto murder your family - look at the danger you put them in. The law is irrelevant. Regardless of what the lawmakers say, it is still wrong that some choice words on a football terrace leads to a player asking the authorities to "seize him, seize him" which is literally what happened on the night, although I didn't hear those words! Then, the courts persue and rob the man of his job, criminal record etc. It's completely, totally wrong.....you wouldn't condone this heavy handed treatment for someone who gave a tirade about the Welsh, people from Swindon, the ginger, the bald etc. If you can't see how words of abuse should never involve a legal system, then I am afraid you are either brainwashed to equate racism on the same level as theft and assault, or you understand this but have an axe to grind.
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Apr 10, 2015 15:12:34 GMT
and we all have to hold hands with a red card saying 'no, please, were not racist' utterly pathetic, cowardly and overblown reaction to one fans words. Ffs when can some of grow a pair and ask people to get over themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 16:15:01 GMT
So a man has a huge legal process to deal with, a criminal record, community service and the cost of his own prosecution to pay. he will probably lose his job. The taxpayer also covers some of the tab to rehabilitate this offender. as we have seen, the public aren't really that interested in it. So all of this hullabaloo for what, a comment shouted on a football terrace. I think we should cut out the tongue, or chop hands off, that would make them think twice. Looking at it from another angel you'd think a 42 year old, who seems to be reasonably educated, would have more sense than to put himself in a situation where he had to face criminal charges etc? Exactly my thoughts. Never engage in `banter` with someone who has an `agenda`. You may well get stitched up
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Post by brizzle on Apr 10, 2015 16:31:26 GMT
So anybody who won't put up a red card at the game is a racist as well ? That is the tack that has been used for the last 20 years that if you don't show overtly that you are against it then you are considered for it. In fact it is one of the reasons that it is difficult to hold a sensible conversation about racism, what it is and how it should be dealt with because the racist, bigot terms are thrown about too easily. I abhor racism mainly because I don't understand why people have to hate others.I did my part against apartheid when I was in my late teens, early 20s and didn't get the hatred then. I show my stance on racism, homophobia, misogyny, etc by the way I act in my day to day life. I don't need a flag/card/tattoo etc to show I care or need anybody else to tell me what to do to show I care.This guy has been found guilty, I hope he learns from it. There are sadly many that still won't learn. Cheshiregas doesn't need (or require) a pat on the back from anyone, least of all me for his posts, but that one is spot-on in my opinion. The first highlighted section of the post would make a good umbrella statement for those of us who are against racism (in all of its forms) in general. And the second highlighted section would provide excellent advice for a whole multitude of people who seem to dedicate their lives to ''doing good.'' Allow people to live their lives in their own way, and I'm quite certain that the overwhelming majority of people won't disappoint in the long-run. But be quite certain that you'll never be able to legislate for everyone. Evolution is a marvellous thing, and we are all as a society, continually evolving.
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Post by Bridgeman on Apr 10, 2015 17:32:21 GMT
Looking at it from another angel you'd think a 42 year old, who seems to be reasonably educated, would have more sense than to put himself in a situation where he had to face criminal charges etc? Exactly my thoughts. Never engage in `banter` with someone who has an `agenda`. You may well get stitched up The danger is as I'm sure you realise is you can normally only have banter with people you know well or know you well. Having 'banter' with someone who is a stranger to you and may not appreciate the type of 'banter' you engage in can in most times lead to the person you're aiming it at thinking they are being verbally personally abused.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 17:57:43 GMT
Exactly my thoughts. Never engage in `banter` with someone who has an `agenda`. You may well get stitched up The danger is as I'm sure you realise is you can normally only have banter with people you know well or know you well. Having 'banter' with someone who is a stranger to you and may not appreciate the type of 'banter' you engage in can in most times lead to the person you're aiming it at thinking they are being verbally personally abused. I totally agree Bridgeman. One word in a sentence sealed this mans fate! And it wasn't even a colour! From what I was told at the time, I may be wrong. Anyway, let this be a lesson to us all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 18:35:46 GMT
If you don't agree with it, say so but no need for that. Please remember that other people read this forum as well. Fair enough, point taken. I could have used 1000 words to say the same thing. You could have, but you did not. Because you cannot help yourself. And your attempt to align fascism with anti racism is risible. I agree the card is played to easily, but too often it is obvious
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Apr 10, 2015 19:57:01 GMT
Fair enough, point taken. I could have used 1000 words to say the same thing. You could have, but you did not. Because you cannot help yourself. And your attempt to align fascism with anti racism is risible. I agree the card is played to easily, but too often it is obvious It's entirely liberal to prosecute people for insults then. Authoritarians can be from any political ideology, and a society which prosecutes for verbal insults is an authoritarian one, whichever way you choose to wrap up the context, you are setting precedents which will affect your grandchildren. Unfortunately the zeitgeist has a heresy in racism which can eclipse all good reason and thoughtfulness. Trying to eradicate racism is like fighting a war on terror.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 20:31:38 GMT
You could have, but you did not. Because you cannot help yourself. And your attempt to align fascism with anti racism is risible. I agree the card is played to easily, but too often it is obvious It's entirely liberal to prosecute people for insults then. Authoritarians can be from any political ideology, and a society which prosecutes for verbal insults is an authoritarian one, whichever way you choose to wrap up the context, you are setting precedents which will affect your grandchildren. Unfortunately the zeitgeist has a heresy in racism which can eclipse all good reason and thoughtfulness. Trying to eradicate racism is like fighting a war on terror. Do you have a view on the current position of Bristol Rovers? Do you think we will take the full nine points? Do you think that Barnet will drop any points?
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Post by alloutofgas on Apr 10, 2015 23:03:46 GMT
Is this a new stand by mods against personal abuse? The response was my own, but yes if I see personal abuse whilst reading topics I will act on it. There is no need for it as far as I am concerned. Go f yourself (joke)
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Post by alloutofgas on Apr 10, 2015 23:07:49 GMT
Hmmm, I remember this contrived load of s**te at the Mansfield game last year. That poor sod trying to get us all singing some song at halftime when we were staring down the barrel of relegation from the Football League. This 'right on' sort of organised drivel makes my skin crawl.
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Post by gasheadnaboo on Apr 10, 2015 23:29:47 GMT
Never experienced anybody being racially abused in front of me in my lifetime, so I'm of the opinion Kick it Out receives a far over proportionate amount of money and publicity nowadays, when it could probably go to more befitting charities like introducing disadvantaged people to football. No matter how much money/publicity you throw at it, you will probably never abolish the odd moron so it seems like a massive waste to me; the Society of Black Lawyers in particular are a bunch of profiteering scum bags who appear to be the only group of individuals who seem to publicly divide people related to football based on the colour of their skin imo.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 0:57:05 GMT
always tickles me these pathetic shows of oooo oooo we arent racist,racism is rife in ALL peoples and waving cards wont change that
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