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Post by laughingas on Oct 14, 2014 18:49:35 GMT
Oh dear.... Not sure I want any part of this world we are currently living in. Text messages to tell on people? ? Isn't the world a miserable enough place without having some horrible sod hanging on your shoulder waiting for you to slip up so they can get you in trouble. What's next being reported for swearing? I get it and i agree racism is a horrible thing but this is going way to far. Many people I stand near make the odd racist joke, everybody has done it on occasion. I wouldn't like to see any of my friends that I've been standing by for years being reported and banned. You all act so high any mighty but at the end of the day you are all just cowards who wouldn't have the balls to call someone racist to their face and tell them they are in the wrong. I originally decided to not touch this topic with a 10 foot barge pole but this is getting ridiculous...... This world is vile.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Oct 14, 2014 18:50:21 GMT
There are thousands of covert racists at matches too, can I report them for what I know they're thinking?
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Oct 14, 2014 18:58:42 GMT
So, the club bans a fan for being overtly what everyone else is covertly and we breathe a collective sigh of relief because we're the good guys, and the problem dissolves into thin air. I love witch hunts. What is the club actually doing to alleviate the problem?
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Post by laughingas on Oct 14, 2014 19:00:44 GMT
Oh dear.... Not sure I want any part of this world we are currently living in. Text messages to tell on people? ? Isn't the world a miserable enough place without having some horrible sod hanging on your shoulder waiting for you to slip up so they can get you in trouble. What's next being reported for swearing? I get it and i agree racism is a horrible thing but this is going way to far. Many people I stand near make the odd racist joke, everybody has done it on occasion. I wouldn't like to see any of my friends that I've been standing by for years being reported and banned. You all act so high any mighty but at the end of the day you are all just cowards who wouldn't have the balls to call someone racist to their face and tell them they are in the wrong. I originally decided to not touch this topic with a 10 foot barge pole but this is getting ridiculous...... This world is vile. Don't count me in as 'everybody' has done it on occasion. I have never posted before but felt so incensed that you seem to think that racism is acceptable that I had to register. On the West Terrace I don't hear racist comments but if I did, I know that I would have to say something. This is 2014 not the 1970s, as someone who has spent 20 years in the Armed forces I find it offensive that I have been protecting your right to 'free' speech. Your comment is offensive and unacceptable; I hope you retract it.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 14, 2014 19:00:48 GMT
So, the club bans a fan for being overtly what everyone else is covertly and we breathe a collective sigh of relief because we're the good guys, and the problem dissolves into thin air. I love witch hunts. What is the club actually doing to alleviate the problem? Mind control rays?
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Oct 14, 2014 19:09:47 GMT
I'll get on to it straight away. They could start with some racism awareness articles in the programme, pointing out not pointing the finger.
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Post by BS11Gas on Oct 14, 2014 19:12:36 GMT
Good move by the club. Perhaps they could do a text service where you can report people? Not everyone feels they can approach stewards, plus if someone's being openly racist they may well be a violent sod and all. I think that Arsenal have a text system in place - a very good idea, as in an all seater stadium you would be quite conspicuous leaving your seat to speak to a steward. The Kick it Out campaign had/has an app that does this too I believe.
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Post by dagnogo on Oct 14, 2014 19:13:53 GMT
So, the club bans a fan for being overtly what everyone else is covertly and we breathe a collective sigh of relief because we're the good guys, and the problem dissolves into thin air. I love witch hunts. What is the club actually doing to alleviate the problem? There's a police investigation is there not? Maybe the club are allowing the police to do their work and will ban the offender when the cops are finished? Not sure what else they can do. As for being what "everyone else is covertly" - first of all, I don't think that everyone has urges to scream racist names but keeps it down. But even if everyone does have a bias for/against one group or another, the overt action is the crime - I may want to punch every third person I meet but actually doing it is the offence.
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Post by gashead01 on Oct 14, 2014 19:27:28 GMT
to be fair I spent 4 seasons in the blackthorn end, and only this season have i changed to the west enclosure. but I can say hand on heart I have never heard a single word of racial abuse to anyone in that time? ok you hear some choice words used, and I have seen some outrageous pastimes....but nothing racial? the outburst from this individual feels like its labelling brfc? all the media coverage and now waving red cards to prove we are actually anti racist seems a little ott to me? after all this was one individual amoung several thousand fans! so to answer the question....what is the club doing to alleviate the problem? im not sure there really is a problem? just an isolated incident that is being. dealt with.... only my opinion....
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Post by dagnogo on Oct 14, 2014 19:29:35 GMT
Problem is, even if it's one moron, and I agree, I think it is, we got national press coverage over it, off the back of the Mansfield stuff too.
Rovers aren't racist, but if the national media says we are, the club have to react publicly.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Oct 14, 2014 19:37:05 GMT
You can only put so much s**t under the carpet before you trip over it. It needs to be dealt with properly through education and awareness. How did it get in our heads in the first place? Zero tolerance is fine if you follow it up with positive measures to get to the root cause. Still, I suppose waving red cards might keep the FA from fining us too much. It's supposed to be a community club, racism is firmly rooted in the community, start there with racism awareness initiatives. Involve the players and ex-players. Make it a worthy cause, not a witch hunt. Finally, no life ban, a season or two is enough. Everyone should have a second chance.
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Post by gashead01 on Oct 14, 2014 19:39:22 GMT
Problem is, even if it's one moron, and I agree, I think it is, we got national press coverage over it, off the back of the Mansfield stuff too. Rovers aren't racist, but if the national media says we are, the club have to react publicly. your right in what your saying, but the trouble is the national media don't see what the club have done in past seasons in support of anti racial abuse in football. I believe this individual should apologise to the goal keeper, and stress this is not the norm at brfc....and put that on the local news.?
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Oct 14, 2014 20:23:40 GMT
If you don't get a card to wave around on Saturday does that mean you are a racist?
Personally nothing has been proven at Rovers, unless I've missed something, so surely innocent until proven guilty applies?
When it comes to suspected racism I'm more concerned about the breaking story involving Manchester police which sounds reminiscent of the Rotherham situation. But I'm probably wrong & the biggest cesspit of racism in the UK is probably Bristol Rovers.
Someone feel free to have my red card on Saturday, I'll be too busy welcoming all the drunken criminals to the ground.
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Post by zfc on Oct 14, 2014 20:36:38 GMT
Oh dear.... Not sure I want any part of this world we are currently living in. Text messages to tell on people? ? Isn't the world a miserable enough place without having some horrible sod hanging on your shoulder waiting for you to slip up so they can get you in trouble. What's next being reported for swearing? I get it and i agree racism is a horrible thing but this is going way to far. Many people I stand near make the odd racist joke, everybody has done it on occasion. I wouldn't like to see any of my friends that I've been standing by for years being reported and banned. You all act so high any mighty but at the end of the day you are all just cowards who wouldn't have the balls to call someone racist to their face and tell them they are in the wrong. I originally decided to not touch this topic with a 10 foot barge pole but this is getting ridiculous...... This world is vile. Don't count me in as 'everybody' has done it on occasion. I have never posted before but felt so incensed that you seem to think that racism is acceptable that I had to register. On the West Terrace I don't hear racist comments but if I did, I know that I would have to say something. This is 2014 not the 1970s, as someone who has spent 20 years in the Armed forces I find it offensive that I have been protecting your right to 'free' speech. Your comment is offensive and unacceptable; I hope you retract it. I hope he doesn`t retract it and "if" you have served in the armed forces for freedom of speech you must despair at this country.A debate on immigration isn`t possible in this country due to the people who get offended on behalf of others playing the worn out race card.
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Post by lostinspace on Oct 14, 2014 20:50:47 GMT
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Post by ashperry83 on Oct 14, 2014 21:26:05 GMT
I assume the red cards will have some kind of "Racism Out" slogan on them - otherwise it kind of looks like we want all the players to get off the pitch. And let's hope if someone starts racial abuse in future they will be told in no uncertain terms by fans around them to shut up or get out. That won't happen. I pulled a bloke up for a racist comment on the. Blackthorn two years ago, got into a big arguement with him. Only my mates stood up for me. Everyone else looked blankly at what was going on on the pitch knowing full well what was happening but couldn't give a flying f**k about backing me up or challenging the bloke.
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Post by laughingas on Oct 14, 2014 21:31:02 GMT
Don't count me in as 'everybody' has done it on occasion. I have never posted before but felt so incensed that you seem to think that racism is acceptable that I had to register. On the West Terrace I don't hear racist comments but if I did, I know that I would have to say something. This is 2014 not the 1970s, as someone who has spent 20 years in the Armed forces I find it offensive that I have been protecting your right to 'free' speech. Your comment is offensive and unacceptable; I hope you retract it. I hope he doesn`t retract it and "if" you have served in the armed forces for freedom of speech you must despair at this country.A debate on immigration isn`t possible in this country due to the people who get offended on behalf of others playing the worn out race card. The bit I want him to retract is the bit suggesting everybody has made the odd racist joke, I haven't and as for another poster, I haven't heard anything for years. Therefore I have the right to object to someone misrepresenting me as someone who makes racist jokes. What has my personal objection to wrongly being accused of racism to do with a debate on immigration....I'm intrigued.
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Post by fingers otoole on Oct 14, 2014 22:15:54 GMT
Why get upset about ZFC? He is an unrepentant racist. Has been for years. More to the point,he doesn't go to games so his "opinion" is entirely irrelevant as he will not even see the card referred to
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Post by Curly Wurly on Oct 14, 2014 22:17:54 GMT
You can only put so much s*** under the carpet before you trip over it. It needs to be dealt with properly through education and awareness. How did it get in our heads in the first place? Zero tolerance is fine if you follow it up with positive measures to get to the root cause. Still, I suppose waving red cards might keep the FA from fining us too much. It's supposed to be a community club, racism is firmly rooted in the community, start there with racism awareness initiatives. Involve the players and ex-players. Make it a worthy cause, not a witch hunt. Finally, no life ban, a season or two is enough. Everyone should have a second chance. I agree wholeheartedly. Token, knee-jerk reactions are meaningless, but need to be backed up with educational initiatives. As others have said, Rovers original heartland includes many of the most ethnically diverse areas of Bristol and offer a means for Rovers Community department to do something positive and lasting regarding an anti-racist message. Regarding bans. Football as a whole needs to show some consistency. Whilst the issue is very serious, life bans offer no chance of reconciliation. Bear in mind Suarez got an 8-game ban for his racist insults to comments to Evra and John Terry a four match ban for the racial abuse of Anton Ferdinand. The message that, when it comes to matters of racism, you can act with near impunity on the field, but on hte terraces you are banned for life seems inconsistent to me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 22:18:45 GMT
I know the reason why it's red cards,but it would look much better if they were blue,i find red offensive,suppose we can burn them after Uum..alternatively you could always consider growing up and getting out more and I'm really not sure you should be in charge of a box of matches unless under adult supervision.
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