lbtp
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Post by lbtp on Oct 16, 2014 12:16:40 GMT
Has the supporter in question actually been charged/found guilty of anything yet? And have the specifics of what he is alleged to have said come out or is all the reaction to the incident being based on "general racist comments as yet unknown"? This is something asked before and are valid points.
I am ambivalent about such campaigns, preferring the people guilty of something to be dealt with more severely. I do not see why I, fellow supporters or the players should be punished for the actions of a tiny minority or especially one person, yet we face fines, points loss etc or can not drink on coaches or on the underground etc etc.
I do not go around waving my qualifications to show that I have attained a certain level of education, and so the exercise becomes an appeasement.
Yes quite. I am just surprised by what has gone on the official website this past week or so which almost looks as though the club has gone out of its way to agree with everything Jason Brown alleged without challenge. It's as though the club has accepted the individual is guilty without trial or a right to offer any kind of explanation/denial/acceptance, and wants to show anyone who will listen that the club is anti-racism (as if that should be needed). This red card to racism gesture makes me feel very uncomfortable. It's as though the club expects 5,000 fans to apologise on behalf of one individual, who may or may not be guilty, by this rather silly gesture. If he is guilty, deal with him, why should I and others have to apologise for him? If he isn't guilty, then what is this all about? If I get a card on Saturday I will keep it in my pocket and use it for when Forest Green players make sliding tackles and other such scenarios, not for this daft idea. All the club needs to have done is issue an initial statement, speak to all parties, investigate what happened, and then make a further statement stating any findings/changes/punishments etc. All this over the top nonsense to something which may or may not have happened, and may or may not have been racist is ridiculous. I don't feel the need to tell the world I or my club are not racist on Saturday, just as I don't feel the need to tell the world I or my club are not homophobic or any other discriminatory type. |
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 16, 2014 13:23:06 GMT
Oh dear.... Not sure I want any part of this world we are currently living in. Text messages to tell on people?  ? Isn't the world a miserable enough place without having some horrible sod hanging on your shoulder waiting for you to slip up so they can get you in trouble. What's next being reported for swearing? I get it and i agree racism is a horrible thing but this is going way to far. Many people I stand near make the odd racist joke, everybody has done it on occasion. I wouldn't like to see any of my friends that I've been standing by for years being reported and banned. You all act so high any mighty but at the end of the day you are all just cowards who wouldn't have the balls to call someone racist to their face and tell them they are in the wrong. I originally decided to not touch this topic with a 10 foot barge pole but this is getting ridiculous...... This world is vile. Don't count me in as 'everybody' has done it on occasion. I have never posted before but felt so incensed that you seem to think that racism is acceptable that I had to register. On the West Terrace I don't hear racist comments but if I did, I know that I would have to say something. This is 2014 not the 1970s, as someone who has spent 20 years in the Armed forces I find it offensive that I have been protecting your right to 'free' speech. Your comment is offensive and unacceptable; I hope you retract it. BZ fella. |
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Post by alloutofgas on Oct 16, 2014 14:43:41 GMT
Yah boo, my club is slightly less racist than yours. What a total load of f**king bollocks
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Post by brizzle on Oct 16, 2014 15:14:26 GMT
This is something asked before and are valid points.
I am ambivalent about such campaigns, preferring the people guilty of something to be dealt with more severely. I do not see why I, fellow supporters or the players should be punished for the actions of a tiny minority or especially one person, yet we face fines, points loss etc or can not drink on coaches or on the underground etc etc.
I do not go around waving my qualifications to show that I have attained a certain level of education, and so the exercise becomes an appeasement.
Yes quite. I am just surprised by what has gone on the official website this past week or so which almost looks as though the club has gone out of its way to agree with everything Jason Brown alleged without challenge. It's as though the club has accepted the individual is guilty without trial or a right to offer any kind of explanation/denial/acceptance, and wants to show anyone who will listen that the club is anti-racism (as if that should be needed). This red card to racism gesture makes me feel very uncomfortable. It's as though the club expects 5,000 fans to apologise on behalf of one individual, who may or may not be guilty, by this rather silly gesture. If he is guilty, deal with him, why should I and others have to apologise for him? If he isn't guilty, then what is this all about? If I get a card on Saturday I will keep it in my pocket and use it for when Forest Green players make sliding tackles and other such scenarios, not for this daft idea. All the club needs to have done is issue an initial statement, speak to all parties, investigate what happened, and then make a further statement stating any findings/changes/punishments etc. All this over the top nonsense to something which may or may not have happened, and may or may not have been racist is ridiculous. I don't feel the need to tell the world I or my club are not racist on Saturday, just as I don't feel the need to tell the world I or my club are not homophobic or any other discriminatory type.Is this post one of the first signs of common sense breaking out, at long last? It's my opinion that BRFC should have kept quiet until such time as the results of any inquiry is known, other than acknowledging the occurrence of course. After all the Chairman refuses to comment on the ongoing saga with Sainsbury's as a matter of confidentiality, yet supports a hue and cry over this affair. But like so many others the club seem determined to beat themselves up over the matter, and to what end eh? The club is not the judge and jury of events, that time has now passed. They are as much ''victims'' of the affair as any other person or body. Instead we are left with a situation where the club may be deemed liable for the actions of one(?) supporter. I believe that their best course of action after acknowledging the event was to get on with business, because as sure as hell if the club is to be punished no amount of waving of red cards will have the slightest effect on the outcome of any inquiry. Mind you, we all need to clean up the clubs act. It's not that we are necessarily worse than any other club, but we have attracted the glare of publicity . . . and that ain't good. |
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 16, 2014 16:18:24 GMT
Yes quite. I am just surprised by what has gone on the official website this past week or so which almost looks as though the club has gone out of its way to agree with everything Jason Brown alleged without challenge. It's as though the club has accepted the individual is guilty without trial or a right to offer any kind of explanation/denial/acceptance, and wants to show anyone who will listen that the club is anti-racism (as if that should be needed). This red card to racism gesture makes me feel very uncomfortable. It's as though the club expects 5,000 fans to apologise on behalf of one individual, who may or may not be guilty, by this rather silly gesture. If he is guilty, deal with him, why should I and others have to apologise for him? If he isn't guilty, then what is this all about? If I get a card on Saturday I will keep it in my pocket and use it for when Forest Green players make sliding tackles and other such scenarios, not for this daft idea. All the club needs to have done is issue an initial statement, speak to all parties, investigate what happened, and then make a further statement stating any findings/changes/punishments etc. All this over the top nonsense to something which may or may not have happened, and may or may not have been racist is ridiculous. I don't feel the need to tell the world I or my club are not racist on Saturday, just as I don't feel the need to tell the world I or my club are not homophobic or any other discriminatory type.Is this post one of the first signs of common sense breaking out, at long last? It's my opinion that BRFC should have kept quiet until such time as the results of any inquiry is known, other than acknowledging the occurrence of course. After all the Chairman refuses to comment on the ongoing saga with Sainsbury's as a matter of confidentiality, yet supports a hue and cry over this affair. But like so many others the club seem determined to beat themselves up over the matter, and to what end eh? The club is not the judge and jury of events, that time has now passed. They are as much ''victims'' of the affair as any other person or body. Instead we are left with a situation where the club may be deemed liable for the actions of one(?) supporter. I believe that their best course of action after acknowledging the event was to get on with business, because as sure as hell if the club is to be punished no amount of waving of red cards will have the slightest effect on the outcome of any inquiry. Mind you, we all need to clean up the clubs act. It's not that we are necessarily worse than any other club, but we have attracted the glare of publicity . . . and that ain't good. There is no doubt, in my mind anyway, that we have made enemies inside the FA and FL. There are clubs with low friends in high places who I believe are now actively putting the spotlight on us. For the record, I think we were right to question the Wycombe affair but that we went about it the wrong way. In my experience I have always had better and more positive outcomes when I have made complaints with a smile and polite manner. I think we went in with proverbial jackboots on. It has not exactly enamoured us to those in places of authority. It's a shame but any goodwill we had, is now gone. I think it will take a very long time to get that back, if at all. |
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Post by dagnogo on Oct 17, 2014 15:58:10 GMT
When you hav multiple fans assault stewards and police, then an oppo player publicly accuse a spectator of racism, it doesn't matter if you're the FA'S darling - the spotlight will come.
That said, if folk up on high dislike those in senior positions at BRFC who are we to judge? The Wycombe affair is pathetic, we look like sore losers.
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Post by brizzle on Oct 17, 2014 17:55:06 GMT
Going back to the title of the thread ''Red Card to Racism,'' I should like to go a little way outside of the football arena, but still linked very much with alleged racism. I am currently reading an excellent biography of Lieutenant General Sir Thomas Picton, who was a Welsh-born person who served with great distinction, latterly under the Duke of Wellington in the Spanish Peninsular War, and who was killed at the Battle of Waterloo. The title of the book is Wellington's Welsh General, which some (but not all) may regard as being racist in itself, as it makes reference to Picton's nationality. Is this right, and should we organise a complaint to both the author and publisher of the book? I fully accept that this is a million miles away from our own particular spot of bother with the Dartford 'keeper and the brandishing of red cards at the game on Saturday, but it does make you think doesn't it? I wonder what General Picton would have thought of it all? I suspect not too much, because of course he was Welsh . . . and probably proud of it.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 20:37:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 22:16:24 GMT
I can't quote Brizzle because his post is too long but he seems to have decided 'Welsh' is derogatory?
How sad!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 23:35:01 GMT
i think the problem the club has is they didnt deliver the possible racial abuser to the police but instead escorted him out of the ground!!
this made it difficult to interview the accused,steward and witnesses.
so the red card idea makes sense as a way of saying we are totally against racism,,ie a pro-active response to a difficult incident,,
i think its a good thing but if a person dosnt agree dont wave the card! i will be happily waving mine though
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 6:50:56 GMT
We've had bad publicity, this is a great way of countering it. Totally support this, of course I do
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Post by gashead1979 on Oct 18, 2014 7:59:04 GMT
The Dartford keeper does seem a bit 'precious' shall we say, and this sort of thing does seem to follow him...
He didnt have much to say about his own fans fighting though?
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Post by dagnogo on Oct 18, 2014 8:06:26 GMT
i think the problem the club has is they didnt deliver the possible racial abuser to the police but instead escorted him out of the ground!! this made it difficult to interview the accused,steward and witnesses. so the red card idea makes sense as a way of saying we are totally against racism,,ie a pro-active response to a difficult incident,, i think its a good thing but if a person dosnt agree dont wave the card! i will be happily waving mine though Nail on head mate. A complaint was made and nothing was done - that's a problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 8:40:16 GMT
The Dartford keeper does seem a bit 'precious' shall we say, and this sort of thing does seem to follow him... He didnt have much to say about his own fans fighting though? I don't stand for abuse at work either and do something about it. Props to him |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 9:30:41 GMT
I can't quote Brizzle because his post is too long but he seems to have decided 'Welsh' is derogatory? How sad! There should be a smiley for perplexed and completely bewildered. I'm part Welsh and part Irish ... whoops  - oh and part English. |
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Post by brizzle on Oct 18, 2014 13:53:18 GMT
I can't quote Brizzle because his post is too long but he seems to have decided 'Welsh' is derogatory? How sad! It would be sad, if it were true astafjevs. But I can assure you that nothing is further from the truth. I clearly didn't make my point as well as I had hoped to. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 14:42:46 GMT
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 18, 2014 15:52:23 GMT
The Dartford keeper does seem a bit 'precious' shall we say, and this sort of thing does seem to follow him... He didnt have much to say about his own fans fighting though? A bit like Rosa Parkes ? Thing is, it is either dealt with and decent people stop it, take action themselves or we allow the latent racism to go on, in hushed tones. We all know "mates" who are blatantly racist but no one seems to have the balls to stand up and say ENOUGH ! I am with the keeper, if he is going on then there is reason for it. It's something that needs people to go on about, at least that is how I see it |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Oct 18, 2014 17:16:11 GMT
I can't quote Brizzle because his post is too long but he seems to have decided 'Welsh' is derogatory? How sad! It would be sad, if it were true astafjevs. But I can assure you that nothing is further from the truth. I clearly didn't make my point as well as I had hoped to. You did make your point very well, astafjevs just couldn't be bothered to read all of it |
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Post by greenacres on Oct 18, 2014 21:02:30 GMT
There is only one worse thing than a racist and that is someone who tolerates it and does nothing to counter it.
The club may have made a mistake in the way that this individual was dealt with, but the vital thing is that it appears to have learned from it and are doing their best to redress the balance. I am reassured that when the perpetrator is identified that they will be dealt with in an appropriate manner.
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