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Post by Curly Wurly on Oct 14, 2014 22:24:08 GMT
That won't happen. I pulled a bloke up for a racist comment on the. Blackthorn two years ago, got into a big arguement with him. Only my mates stood up for me. Everyone else looked blankly at what was going on on the pitch knowing full well what was happening but couldn't give a flying f**k about backing me up or challenging the bloke. Agreed, it takes a lot of guts to do what you did. It think lots of people would say they would stand up to racists, but when actually confronted would take the easier path. I''m not sure that I could do it. It's why I have respect for Jason Brown in this instance. He could have chosen to ignore the (alleged) racist abuse, but didn't.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 22:46:30 GMT
I assume the red cards will have some kind of "Racism Out" slogan on them - otherwise it kind of looks like we want all the players to get off the pitch. And let's hope if someone starts racial abuse in future they will be told in no uncertain terms by fans around them to shut up or get out. That won't happen. I pulled a bloke up for a racist comment on the. Blackthorn two years ago, got into a big arguement with him. Only my mates stood up for me. Everyone else looked blankly at what was going on on the pitch knowing full well what was happening but couldn't give a flying f**k about backing me up or challenging the bloke. The fact is most people don't care about it, football has taken a laudable stance but I can't see where it's supported by more than a small minority of supporters. Your comment bears this out, whilst relatively few actively display their prejudice as in days of yore many advertise their passive agreement when failing to challenge the perps.
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Post by Blue Mist on Oct 14, 2014 23:12:17 GMT
Hat off to the club for taking a stance. I can imagine what bleacher report will make of this though.
"Out of an average home attendance at the Memorial Stadium of 6200, only 5000 were showing red cards in the clubs red card to racism campaign. Using objective statistics, 1200 fans did not show a red card making Bristol Rovers 19.34% racist and our number 1 racist club of the 2014/15 season."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 23:20:20 GMT
Hat off to the club for taking a stance. I can imagine what bleacher report will make of this though. "Out of an average home attendance at the Memorial Stadium of 6200, only 5000 were showing red cards in the clubs red card to racism campaign. Using objective statistics, 1200 fans did not show a red card making Bristol Rovers 19.34% racist and our number 1 racist club of the 2014/15 season." All we have to do to avoid adverse Bleacher style reporting is not to do what they accurately reported our supporters did. Its really not rocket science.
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Post by Blue Mist on Oct 14, 2014 23:21:55 GMT
Hat off to the club for taking a stance. I can imagine what bleacher report will make of this though. "Out of an average home attendance at the Memorial Stadium of 6200, only 5000 were showing red cards in the clubs red card to racism campaign. Using objective statistics, 1200 fans did not show a red card making Bristol Rovers 19.34% racist and our number 1 racist club of the 2014/15 season." All we have to do to avoid adverse Bleacher style reporting is not to do what they accurately reported our supporters did. Its really not rocket science. Entirely agree.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 11:11:44 GMT
That won't happen. I pulled a bloke up for a racist comment on the. Blackthorn two years ago, got into a big arguement with him. Only my mates stood up for me. Everyone else looked blankly at what was going on on the pitch knowing full well what was happening but couldn't give a flying f**k about backing me up or challenging the bloke. Agreed, it takes a lot of guts to do what you did. It think lots of people would say they would stand up to racists, but when actually confronted would take the easier path. I''m not sure that I could do it. It's why I have respect for Jason Brown in this instance. He could have chosen to ignore the (alleged) racist abuse, but didn't. I had a similar experience at Cheltenham away a couple of years ago when I was hit by a bloke for pulling him up on calling Kaid Mohammed (then at Cheltenham) a "f******g p*** bomber". Fair play to the bloke though he hit me then ran away like the true man he is.
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Post by rking89 on Oct 15, 2014 11:21:32 GMT
Had a similar situation at Plymouth last year where in front of a steward a guy with his 2 "kids" both grown up but still his kids shouting at Hunter "Ellis (who he'd just come on and replaced) a lazy b**** c**t). Again after telling the guy to shut up, watch the game and support the team and to point out it was Hunter and not Harrison. Was told to "f**k off and "they're both the same colour" sometimes trying to report it and "do the right thing" causes more trouble and tarnish a good day out.
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Post by brizzle on Oct 15, 2014 12:01:53 GMT
. . . as is his brother of course. The whole business does make me wonder whether or not, it's all a little one-sided? What it definitely does do of course, is to detract from BRFC excellent initiative on Saturday. But as we're currently in the dog house with all and sundry, I'm not expecting too much credit to be given to the club. But here's an interesting article from today's Bristol Post, which proves that it's not just this club under the microscope . . . www.bristolpost.co.uk/40/story-23177320-detail/story.html
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 13:12:53 GMT
An alleged case of racism going on at Eastleigh right now.I know it's not about a player being abused but it's very low profile it seems,but what if that was us? 1 person out of 136 compared to 1 out of 5000 ,makes you think. tssc-eastleighfc.proboards.com/thread/1447/eastleigh-1
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Post by brizzle on Oct 15, 2014 16:47:25 GMT
You can only put so much s*** under the carpet before you trip over it. It needs to be dealt with properly through education and awareness. How did it get in our heads in the first place? Zero tolerance is fine if you follow it up with positive measures to get to the root cause. Still, I suppose waving red cards might keep the FA from fining us too much. It's supposed to be a community club, racism is firmly rooted in the community, start there with racism awareness initiatives. Involve the players and ex-players. Make it a worthy cause, not a witch hunt. Finally, no life ban, a season or two is enough. Everyone should have a second chance. I should like to quietly disagree with you CabbagePatchBlues, well partially disagree at any rate, and offer a different perspective on the matter. I believe that you are correct in advocating the measures that you do, education and awareness would most certainly bring a lot to the arena. But is that enough, or indeed the best way forward? Now I am neither a politician nor a statistician, but it is my opinion that since the 1960s this country has been inundated with people arriving from foreign lands, and very little has been done by successive governments to integrate them into the community. They have been allowed to enter the country and settle willy-nilly, but very little happens after that either to to the immigrant or the indigenous population. I really believe that more should (and could have) be done by the authorities to ease immigrants into the day-to-day life of the United Kingdom, instead of just allowing them into the country and leaving them to find their own level. This is the sticking plaster theory being used, in all of its glory. But what I also believe is that people are people, whatever their background, colour, prejudices, and so on. They will get on and integrate, but it will take time. And it's also fair to say that some people will inevitably take longer than others, but it is working as we speak, you only have to look around you to see that it is. You cannot expect to take people from all over Europe, Asia, Africa and the Americas (and the rest, but you get my drift), dump them onto a very small island and expect them to get along tickety-boo immediately. It really doesn't work like that, well, not in my experience at least. The newcomers are not necessarily aware of our culture, and our way of doing things in ever-so-many ways. They are strangers to us, and we to them. Imagine the scenario of someone moving into your street, avenue, cul-de-sac whatever their creed or colour, would you automatically bond with them. No, of course not, well not necessarily so at any rate. And imagine if you were dumped into the middle of Afghanistan, or Poland or even the USA, would you know instinctively the correct way of behaving without a little guidance from someone? I've posted quite recently that I was brought up from the late 1940's onwards in the Easton and St Paul's areas of Bristol, and despite the taunts of the pseudo-intellectual(s) on here, I can say hand on heart that I have rarely had a problem with virtually anyone. Which brings me to my point that, given time and the right environment (on both sides), then people will get on and integrate. But we are where we are, and because of the lack of preparation by successive governments, we are now being asked to raise a red card at a local non-league football club . . . but to what end, eh? Which brings me back to the sticking plaster remedy, make-do and mend. With a little more forethought and planning (and it's not just the UK mind), we would all be a lot better off. But the point is that people are people, and they will get on . . . eventually. By and large we're all seeing that already, right?
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Post by zfc on Oct 15, 2014 19:08:50 GMT
Why get upset about ZFC? He is an unrepentant racist. Has been for years. More to the point,he doesn't go to games so his "opinion" is entirely irrelevant as he will not even see the card referred to Eight posts and the majority of them following me around the forum making digs and brandishing the well worn out pathetic race card. I have told you before and yet you still cannot understand that neither Somalis or Muslims are a race so there is no racism.If you want to continue being offended on behalf of people who have no desire to integrate into British society and see it as normal to bring into Bristol their vile customs like slicing off their young daughters genitals with a shard of glass or a tin can thats up to you. But you go ahead and be offended on behalf of the Somali or the muslim community who wouldn`t think twice about hanging you or stoning you for what you believe in.How you get offended on behalf of these people is beyond me but if it makes you feel better and gives you the platform to act like a pompous tw*t then carry on. As for not watching Rovers how do you know how many games I have attended this season? I have never had to report to you before games nor is there an attendance register for people like you to tick and declare if people are allowed an opinion on Rovers.Many on this forum do not attend matches yet I do not see you following people around the forum telling them they cannot have an opinion as they do not attend. I have been to The Mem twice this season, ideally I would like to have gone more but it isn`t possible as I am committed to my golf where I am only two strokes away from being a single handicapper.My Missus works two weekends per month and I also have a young son who takes up much of my free time so weekends are pretty much full on and there is very little time to take in a Rovers game.On the brighter side as the poor weather arrives the golf will take more of a backseat which will give me an opportunity to take my son to Rovers games during the winter months. During the week I work long hours and take any overtime thats available as the money helps and allows us to take those holidays abroad that a family enjoy. I find it bizarre that I am having to explain myself to a self confessed weak minded individual who refused to follow Rovers because I do not have time for the Somali community who take the p*ss out of every single hardworking taxpayer in this country or a political ideology dressed up as religion made up by a bloodthirsty peado to control people and drive the fear of a mythical tyrant Allah into them. You are a disgrace fingers!!!!!!!!
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Post by Curly Wurly on Oct 15, 2014 22:30:55 GMT
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Post by fingers otoole on Oct 15, 2014 23:09:07 GMT
Why get upset about ZFC? He is an unrepentant racist. Has been for years. More to the point,he doesn't go to games so his "opinion" is entirely irrelevant as he will not even see the card referred to Eight posts and the majority of them following me around the forum making digs and brandishing the well worn out pathetic race card. I have told you before and yet you still cannot understand that neither Somalis or Muslims are a race so there is no racism.If you want to continue being offended on behalf of people who have no desire to integrate into British society and see it as normal to bring into Bristol their vile customs like slicing off their young daughters genitals with a shard of glass or a tin can thats up to you. But you go ahead and be offended on behalf of the Somali or the muslim community who wouldn`t think twice about hanging you or stoning you for what you believe in.How you get offended on behalf of these people is beyond me but if it makes you feel better and gives you the platform to act like a pompous tw*t then carry on. As for not watching Rovers how do you know how many games I have attended this season? I have never had to report to you before games nor is there an attendance register for people like you to tick and declare if people are allowed an opinion on Rovers.Many on this forum do not attend matches yet I do not see you following people around the forum telling them they cannot have an opinion as they do not attend. I have been to The Mem twice this season, ideally I would like to have gone more but it isn`t possible as I am committed to my golf where I am only two strokes away from being a single handicapper.My Missus works two weekends per month and I also have a young son who takes up much of my free time so weekends are pretty much full on and there is very little time to take in a Rovers game.On the brighter side as the poor weather arrives the golf will take more of a backseat which will give me an opportunity to take my son to Rovers games during the winter months. During the week I work long hours and take any overtime thats available as the money helps and allows us to take those holidays abroad that a family enjoy. I find it bizarre that I am having to explain myself to a self confessed weak minded individual who refused to follow Rovers because I do not have time for the Somali community who take the p*ss out of every single hardworking taxpayer in this country or a political ideology dressed up as religion made up by a bloodthirsty peado to control people and drive the fear of a mythical tyrant Allah into them. You are a disgrace fingers!!!!!!!! Eight posts? You know damn well that I have made hundreds of posts on the predecessors of this board over the years. Under National and International law religion is relevant racist legislation. F.G.M is not an Islamic question.I have never once referred to Islam or Somalia. I am offended on nobodies behalf but my own. For which particular beliefs would I be hanged or stoned under Islamic law? Pompous twat I may be, even a disgrace, that is a matter of subjective opinion, what is a matter of objective truth is that you are an unrepentant racist.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 0:31:51 GMT
i think its a good idea,a way of saying were totally against racism as a group of supporters following bristol rovers.
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Post by faggotygas on Oct 16, 2014 8:13:38 GMT
Why get upset about ZFC? He is an unrepentant racist. Has been for years. More to the point,he doesn't go to games so his "opinion" is entirely irrelevant as he will not even see the card referred to Eight posts and the majority of them following me around the forum making digs and brandishing the well worn out pathetic race card. I have told you before and yet you still cannot understand that neither Somalis or Muslims are a race so there is no racism.If you want to continue being offended on behalf of people who have no desire to integrate into British society and see it as normal to bring into Bristol their vile customs like slicing off their young daughters genitals with a shard of glass or a tin can thats up to you. But you go ahead and be offended on behalf of the Somali or the muslim community who wouldn`t think twice about hanging you or stoning you for what you believe in.How you get offended on behalf of these people is beyond me but if it makes you feel better and gives you the platform to act like a pompous tw*t then carry on. As for not watching Rovers how do you know how many games I have attended this season? I have never had to report to you before games nor is there an attendance register for people like you to tick and declare if people are allowed an opinion on Rovers.Many on this forum do not attend matches yet I do not see you following people around the forum telling them they cannot have an opinion as they do not attend. I have been to The Mem twice this season, ideally I would like to have gone more but it isn`t possible as I am committed to my golf where I am only two strokes away from being a single handicapper.My Missus works two weekends per month and I also have a young son who takes up much of my free time so weekends are pretty much full on and there is very little time to take in a Rovers game.On the brighter side as the poor weather arrives the golf will take more of a backseat which will give me an opportunity to take my son to Rovers games during the winter months. During the week I work long hours and take any overtime thats available as the money helps and allows us to take those holidays abroad that a family enjoy. I find it bizarre that I am having to explain myself to a self confessed weak minded individual who refused to follow Rovers because I do not have time for the Somali community who take the p*ss out of every single hardworking taxpayer in this country or a political ideology dressed up as religion made up by a bloodthirsty peado to control people and drive the fear of a mythical tyrant Allah into them. You are a disgrace fingers!!!!!!!! From an anthropological point of view - race is a social concept used to categorize humans into large and distinct populations or groups by anatomical, cultural, ethnic, genetic, geographical, historical, linguistic, religious, and/or social affiliation. (Wikipedia)From a legal point of view - 9. Race.
(1)Race includes—. (a)colour;. (b)nationality;. (c)ethnic or national origins.
(Equality Act 2010, Part 2 Chapter 1 Section 9. Religion is not defined in the Act as 'Race', but it is nonetheless a protected characteristic againt which it is illegal to discriminate.)You may have your own definition of race, but that's all it is.
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Post by Blue Mist on Oct 16, 2014 9:15:51 GMT
Why get upset about ZFC? He is an unrepentant racist. Has been for years. More to the point,he doesn't go to games so his "opinion" is entirely irrelevant as he will not even see the card referred to Eight posts and the majority of them following me around the forum making digs and brandishing the well worn out pathetic race card. I have told you before and yet you still cannot understand that neither Somalis or Muslims are a race so there is no racism.If you want to continue being offended on behalf of people who have no desire to integrate into British society and see it as normal to bring into Bristol their vile customs like slicing off their young daughters genitals with a shard of glass or a tin can thats up to you. But you go ahead and be offended on behalf of the Somali or the muslim community who wouldn`t think twice about hanging you or stoning you for what you believe in.How you get offended on behalf of these people is beyond me but if it makes you feel better and gives you the platform to act like a pompous tw*t then carry on. As for not watching Rovers how do you know how many games I have attended this season? I have never had to report to you before games nor is there an attendance register for people like you to tick and declare if people are allowed an opinion on Rovers.Many on this forum do not attend matches yet I do not see you following people around the forum telling them they cannot have an opinion as they do not attend. I have been to The Mem twice this season, ideally I would like to have gone more but it isn`t possible as I am committed to my golf where I am only two strokes away from being a single handicapper.My Missus works two weekends per month and I also have a young son who takes up much of my free time so weekends are pretty much full on and there is very little time to take in a Rovers game.On the brighter side as the poor weather arrives the golf will take more of a backseat which will give me an opportunity to take my son to Rovers games during the winter months. During the week I work long hours and take any overtime thats available as the money helps and allows us to take those holidays abroad that a family enjoy. I find it bizarre that I am having to explain myself to a self confessed weak minded individual who refused to follow Rovers because I do not have time for the Somali community who take the p*ss out of every single hardworking taxpayer in this country or a political ideology dressed up as religion made up by a bloodthirsty peado to control people and drive the fear of a mythical tyrant Allah into them. You are a disgrace fingers!!!!!!!! I love the Somali people myself, heard they make great pirates. Anyway back on topic, wish I was there to see 5000 red cards held up on Sat, it will be a spectacle for sure.
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Post by lbtp on Oct 16, 2014 9:31:38 GMT
Has the supporter in question actually been charged/found guilty of anything yet?
And have the specifics of what he is alleged to have said come out or is all the reaction to the incident being based on "general racist comments as yet unknown"?
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Post by buckrippers on Oct 16, 2014 11:25:19 GMT
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Post by Igitur on Oct 16, 2014 11:27:46 GMT
Has the supporter in question actually been charged/found guilty of anything yet? And have the specifics of what he is alleged to have said come out or is all the reaction to the incident being based on "general racist comments as yet unknown"? This is something asked before and are valid points.
I am ambivalent about such campaigns, preferring the people guilty of something to be dealt with more severely. I do not see why I, fellow supporters or the players should be punished for the actions of a tiny minority or especially one person, yet we face fines, points loss etc or can not drink on coaches or on the underground etc etc.
I do not go around waving my qualifications to show that I have attained a certain level of education, and so the exercise becomes an appeasement.
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Post by chelt_gas on Oct 16, 2014 11:32:50 GMT
Don't you think that there is a certain amount of irony in that we are being labeled as racist yet our traditional nickname is the 'black arabs'
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