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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 21:24:08 GMT
You carry on blaming internet rumours and ignoring bomb attacks on tube trains,London bridge, concert in Manchester etc etc etc, there was bound to be a reaction one day its just surprising that its taken so long. That, exposes your contempt for the rule of law Oh, the irony. This from the guy who supported the riots in Bristol where a Police station was attacked, just because he didn't like the law the protesters were against! Oldie - you are a grade A. First class hypocrite. Sorry if you think that is personal, but it's the truth.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 21:19:15 GMT
It's hard Baldrick A bloke near me got a speeding ticket. He claimed is was the fault of Muslims. Our fellow gas supporters on here beggar belief. Proof? Or just total bollux?
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 21:17:25 GMT
In 3 weeks? Can you back that up with evidence. It was the Tories who started to ban peaceful non violent protest. Don't bother Chesh No Oldie, as I asked, how many 'peaceful non-violent protests' were banned by the Tories? Where is the evidence? There really is no point in repeating these internet myths. Where are the 'facts' that you insist are important?
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 20:10:02 GMT
Hezbollah lob missiles into random civilian areas. The Israelis target the commanders who ordered it with precision strikes.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 19:39:53 GMT
What a lying hypocrite.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 18:51:03 GMT
Sorry guys, more incoming. "Partners and children separated from their families during the evacuation of Afghanistan can now apply to join them in the UK, under plans announced by the government. It comes three years since the Taliban takeover in Afghanistan, which led to a military operation to evacuate British nationals and Afghans, known as Operation Pitting. A number of families became separated due to the speed and chaotic circumstances surrounding the evacuation. On Tuesday, the government announced the Afghan Citizens Resettlement Scheme (ACRS) separated families route had opened for applications for the next three months. The route is open to the partners and children of people who escaped from Afghanistan under legal routes previously set up by the government. Children who were evacuated without their parents can also apply for them and any siblings who were under the age of 18 at the time of the evacuation to come to the UK. The Home office said additional family embers may be considered in exceptional circumstances. The Refugee Council charity said the development was "hugely welcome" and would be "life-changing" for children and parents who had been separated for such a long period." www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce987p13rq1oNothing wrong with that.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 17:25:56 GMT
Last Police statistic i heard was 1 in 5 are seriously considering leaving the job. After what we witnessed at Manchester Airport and the reaction to it from 'woke Britain ',who can blame them. What does 'woke' mean, Bas? What's the definition? Bit of a silly question. Define 'plonker'. Define 'twat' for example. We all know what those words or expressions mean but it is a bit pedantic to say 'define them'.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 17:01:57 GMT
Labour attacks free speech. In 3 weeks? Can you back that up with evidence. It was the Tories who started to ban peaceful non violent protest. How many 'peaceful non-violent protests' did the Tories ban? Do we have any evidence? How do you know that any protest is not going to turn violent?
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 17:00:19 GMT
"such as the billions that must be spent on processing and housing asylum claimants" - not a costed spend as they would have been sent to Rwanda. This is a costing that Labour have inflicted upon themselves."so, it's done, right?" - Bloody hell, do you ever read anything. It was part of a 10 year plan! You always claim that wealth redistribution is the key to solving most of our problems. You have a funny way of showing it, or when you claim that, are you just virtue signaling? £700mln spent and 4 volunteers sent. How much to send the 000's on the waiting list. Labour have already used one of those flights to take failed asylum seekers out of the country to Vietnam. How much would the Tories have spent - apparently prepared to spend up to £10bln Nobby while people still sat in hotels or on a dodgy boat. How many would have gone for that? Would you have supported that? If you speed up processing, costs fall as people come out of hotels and/or are deported. It's logical. How are they going to deport people when we already know that this is a major problem in the past? Where do we deport people with no papers as we don't know where they have come from? The figure of 10 billion is just a finger in the sky number. I haven't seen a single piece of evidence to prove this. Labour's idea of 'speeding up the process' is to grant Asylum to the 90,000 currently on the list and then move them from hotels and farm them out for local councils to accommodate. Good luck with local councils having to find them accommodation. Labour do not have a policy for illegal immigration.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 14:49:26 GMT
"such as the billions that must be spent on processing and housing asylum claimants" - not a costed spend as they would have been sent to Rwanda. This is a costing that Labour have inflicted upon themselves.
"so, it's done, right?" - Bloody hell, do you ever read anything. It was part of a 10 year plan!
You always claim that wealth redistribution is the key to solving most of our problems. You have a funny way of showing it, or when you claim that, are you just virtue signaling?
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 13:51:25 GMT
"You want to point fingers Nobby but your party of choice did not implement the Dilnot cap and scrapped it in 2016." - No Oldie. Check the link I posted previously. The White Paper was published by the Tory Johnson government in 2019. It is not just the cap that has been scrapped, but the whole programme which included, but not limited to :- "On 7 September 2021, the Prime Minister announced £5.4 billion for adult social care reform over the next 3 years. At the Autumn Spending Review 2021, it was confirmed that £1.7 billion of this funding would be for major improvements across the adult social care system. This white paper sets out how some of this money will be spent to begin to transform the adult social care system in England, such as new investments in: housing and home adaptations technology and digitisation workforce training and wellbeing support support for unpaid carers, and improved information and advice innovation and improvement Together, these measures aim to put people at the heart of social care and move us towards our 10-year reform vision." Jesus Christ Nobby. So the 2021 paper announced all the things you say to be completed over 3 years. Let me think, 2021 + 3 = 2024. So all done right? Nothing to scrap, but the bit that was not done, the cost cap. No Oldie, you are wrong yet again. Read the link! It's the official government website. On 7 September 2021, the Prime Minister announced £5.4 billion for adult social care reform over the next 3 years. At the Autumn Spending Review 2021, it was confirmed that £1.7 billion of this funding would be for major improvements across the adult social care system. " - Started Sep 2021 and all part of a 10-year plan. Once again I cannot believe you support scrapping this plan. We both know people who are desperately in need of these reforms. In the old days, we would have called these cuts to Road, Rail, Social Care, and Hospitals 'austerity'. Next up in the Autumn budget look like including, 30% tax on Pension Contributions. Higher Capital Gains Tax, higher Inheritance Tax, fuel duty will go up, means tested Pensions resulting in even more OAP's paying more tax, higher Corporation Tax and all of this is meant to grow the economy? All to pay for massive pay rises in the Public Sector. Yep, this is a sure fire way to grow the economy !
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 12:01:02 GMT
But the cap of £86000 was to be set for October, it is this that has been scrapped. The rest of my timeline is accurate. You want to point fingers Nobby but your party of choice did not implement the Dilnot cap and scrapped it in 2016. So here we are, years later, indebted because of COVID, flat lined growth due to Austerity, flat lined growth due to Brexit, flat lined growth impacted by Ukraine and the energy cost hit, flat lined growth due to the chaotic Tory leadership and policies fiasco. Time for a line in the sand and go again "You want to point fingers Nobby but your party of choice did not implement the Dilnot cap and scrapped it in 2016." - No Oldie. Check the link I posted previously. The White Paper was published by the Tory Johnson government in 2019. It is not just the cap that has been scrapped, but the whole programme which included, but not limited to :- "On 7 September 2021, the Prime Minister announced £5.4 billion for adult social care reform over the next 3 years. At the Autumn Spending Review 2021, it was confirmed that £1.7 billion of this funding would be for major improvements across the adult social care system. This white paper sets out how some of this money will be spent to begin to transform the adult social care system in England, such as new investments in: housing and home adaptations technology and digitisation workforce training and wellbeing support support for unpaid carers, and improved information and advice innovation and improvement Together, these measures aim to put people at the heart of social care and move us towards our 10-year reform vision."
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 11:55:10 GMT
I was talking with a good friend today,we got onto the subject of the Southport stabbings and he said that he feels that he has become 'desensitised' to terrible events because they happen every week now. I remember the uproar when Jamie Bulger was killed and there doesnt seem to be the same shock about Southport,more a feeling of its just the latest in an endless chain of savage killings and on we go to the next one. That is because we will be told it's a "mental health issue" and these events are "very rare". Nothing to see here. Move along please. It's the easy way out for the authorities as they then don't have to address the underlying reason for these things happening.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 11:51:55 GMT
What is interesting is that the Police are willing to release the information that the murderer was 'born in Cardiff', but nothing else. The authorities could quite easily stop the speculation by releasing the details of the murderer. Why won't they do that as the information will come out eventually.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 11:44:24 GMT
The architect of the long-awaited social care costs cap today slammed Labour's 'tragic' decision to ditch the policy. Sir Andrew Dilnot accused Rachel Reeves of 'failing another generation of families' after she brutally dropped the plans yesterday. Fears have been raised that more frail elderly people will now be forced to sell homes in order to fund care. In a dramatic statement to the Commons, the Chancellor claimed the reforms - including limiting total lifetime costs to £86,000 in England - had fallen victim to a £22billion black hole the Tories had left in the public finances. The Treasury said the changes were 'now impossible to deliver in full' by October next year, and shelving them would save £1billion. But Sir Andrew, who has worked on the plans for successive governments, pointed out that Health Secretary Wes Streeting had reassured voters during the election campaign that they could have 'certainty' about Labour's commitment. 'I think it's a tragedy, and it's also very disappointing given what was said in the election campaign on your own programme,' he said. He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: 'To rip this up is unbelievably disappointing for hundreds of thousands of families who need care, for the people who are providing it, for the people who are trying to make decisions about it. 'It is another example of social care, something that affects people at some of the most difficult times of their lives being given too little attention, being ignore and being tossed aside.' 'We seem again to be in a position where a government is saying this isn't an important enough thing to carry on with. As far as I can see there is no current plan… we have to recognise we have failed another generation of families.' Asked in June whether he was committing to bringing in the cap in October 2025, Mr Streeting told the BBC: 'That's the plan, as things stand.'
Pressed for a firm commitment, he responded: 'We don't have any plans to change that situation and that's the certainty and stability I want to give the system at this stage.' Steven Cameron, Pensions Director at Aegon, said the decision was a 'bitter blow'.
'The announcement that the government will not be taking forward the previous government's deal on social care funding will be a bitter blow to those facing unlimited bills for adult social care,' he said. 'Social care funding is a major concern to millions of families but had been noticeably absent from the Government's election manifesto and the King's Speech. 'Cancelling the deal, which was to have started in October 2025, means individuals will no longer have their contributions towards eligible care costs capped at £86,000. Instead, as currently, those requiring care for longer periods face catastrophic care costs which can wipe out a lifetime of savings... 'Unfortunately, as now, those who've done the right thing and saved for their later life could see it all – and their family home - disappear to pay for care, destroying plans to leave an inheritance to loved ones.' Labour's manifesto pledged to create a previously-suggested national care service, with locally delivered services based on the principle that people must be supported to live independently for as long as possible. It also promised a fair pay agreement, setting fair pay, terms and conditions. The party said it would 'consult widely' on the design of the agreement 'before beginning the process and learn from countries where they operate successfully'." More Labour lies - " Asked in June whether he was committing to bringing in the cap in October 2025, Mr Streeting told the BBC: 'That's the plan, as things stand.'
Pressed for a firm commitment, he responded: 'We don't have any plans to change that situation and that's the certainty and stability I want to give the system at this stage.'" The only 'certainty and stability' that Labour have provided is to scrap the plan and leave things as they are. I listened to that debate this morning, I can understand Dilnot's frustration. I think almost all sides concluded it was a great report. It was published in 2011. Yes, 2011. Then "The Care Act 2014 legislated for many of the Dilnot Commission's recommendations, including the principle of a cap on care costs. However, although the government originally planned to introduce a cap set at £72,000 from April 2016, it announced delays to implementation in 2015 and, ultimately, plans for a cap were scrapped" In 2021 a cap of £86000 from October this year (I think) But there is no money to fund that cap. As I understand it the difference comes out of local authority funding (happy to be corrected) which is a joke given the state of local authority funding. I believe that Somerset for example is on the brink of bankruptcy. The truth is we are well and truly broke. There are some very tough choices to be made. It's time we are honest about this. Given the statements over the last 24 hours by the OBR and the Treasury it does seem, as was highlighted at the time, the March statement had a large element of unfunded commitments. I await the Treasury review of that March process with interest. No Oldie. The Social Care Programme was published by the Johnson Government in 2019 Tory Social Care Legislation
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 11:40:42 GMT
The architect of the long-awaited social care costs cap today slammed Labour's 'tragic' decision to ditch the policy. Sir Andrew Dilnot accused Rachel Reeves of 'failing another generation of families' after she brutally dropped the plans yesterday. Fears have been raised that more frail elderly people will now be forced to sell homes in order to fund care. In a dramatic statement to the Commons, the Chancellor claimed the reforms - including limiting total lifetime costs to £86,000 in England - had fallen victim to a £22billion black hole the Tories had left in the public finances. The Treasury said the changes were 'now impossible to deliver in full' by October next year, and shelving them would save £1billion. But Sir Andrew, who has worked on the plans for successive governments, pointed out that Health Secretary Wes Streeting had reassured voters during the election campaign that they could have 'certainty' about Labour's commitment. 'I think it's a tragedy, and it's also very disappointing given what was said in the election campaign on your own programme,' he said. He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: 'To rip this up is unbelievably disappointing for hundreds of thousands of families who need care, for the people who are providing it, for the people who are trying to make decisions about it. 'It is another example of social care, something that affects people at some of the most difficult times of their lives being given too little attention, being ignore and being tossed aside.' 'We seem again to be in a position where a government is saying this isn't an important enough thing to carry on with. As far as I can see there is no current plan… we have to recognise we have failed another generation of families.' Asked in June whether he was committing to bringing in the cap in October 2025, Mr Streeting told the BBC: 'That's the plan, as things stand.'
Pressed for a firm commitment, he responded: 'We don't have any plans to change that situation and that's the certainty and stability I want to give the system at this stage.' Steven Cameron, Pensions Director at Aegon, said the decision was a 'bitter blow'.
'The announcement that the government will not be taking forward the previous government's deal on social care funding will be a bitter blow to those facing unlimited bills for adult social care,' he said. 'Social care funding is a major concern to millions of families but had been noticeably absent from the Government's election manifesto and the King's Speech. 'Cancelling the deal, which was to have started in October 2025, means individuals will no longer have their contributions towards eligible care costs capped at £86,000. Instead, as currently, those requiring care for longer periods face catastrophic care costs which can wipe out a lifetime of savings... 'Unfortunately, as now, those who've done the right thing and saved for their later life could see it all – and their family home - disappear to pay for care, destroying plans to leave an inheritance to loved ones.' Labour's manifesto pledged to create a previously-suggested national care service, with locally delivered services based on the principle that people must be supported to live independently for as long as possible. It also promised a fair pay agreement, setting fair pay, terms and conditions. The party said it would 'consult widely' on the design of the agreement 'before beginning the process and learn from countries where they operate successfully'." More Labour lies - " Asked in June whether he was committing to bringing in the cap in October 2025, Mr Streeting told the BBC: 'That's the plan, as things stand.'
Pressed for a firm commitment, he responded: 'We don't have any plans to change that situation and that's the certainty and stability I want to give the system at this stage.'" The only 'certainty and stability' that Labour have provided is to scrap the plan and leave things as they are. I listened to that debate this morning, I can understand Dilnot's frustration. I think almost all sides concluded it was a great report. It was published in 2011. Yes, 2011. Then "The Care Act 2014 legislated for many of the Dilnot Commission's recommendations, including the principle of a cap on care costs. However, although the government originally planned to introduce a cap set at £72,000 from April 2016, it announced delays to implementation in 2015 and, ultimately, plans for a cap were scrapped" In 2021 a cap of £86000 from October this year (I think) But there is no money to fund that cap. As I understand it the difference comes out of local authority funding (happy to be corrected) which is a joke given the state of local authority funding. I believe that Somerset for example is on the brink of bankruptcy. The truth is we are well and truly broke. There are some very tough choices to be made. It's time we are honest about this. Given the statements over the last 24 hours by the OBR and the Treasury it does seem, as was highlighted at the time, the March statement had a large element of unfunded commitments. I await the Treasury review of that March process with interest. Oldie, you are missing something, "" Asked in June whether he was committing to bringing in the cap in October 2025, Mr Streeting told the BBC: 'That's the plan, as things stand.'".
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 11:04:55 GMT
The architect of the long-awaited social care costs cap today slammed Labour's 'tragic' decision to ditch the policy.
Sir Andrew Dilnot accused Rachel Reeves of 'failing another generation of families' after she brutally dropped the plans yesterday.
Fears have been raised that more frail elderly people will now be forced to sell homes in order to fund care.
In a dramatic statement to the Commons, the Chancellor claimed the reforms - including limiting total lifetime costs to £86,000 in England - had fallen victim to a £22billion black hole the Tories had left in the public finances.
The Treasury said the changes were 'now impossible to deliver in full' by October next year, and shelving them would save £1billion.
But Sir Andrew, who has worked on the plans for successive governments, pointed out that Health Secretary Wes Streeting had reassured voters during the election campaign that they could have 'certainty' about Labour's commitment.
'I think it's a tragedy, and it's also very disappointing given what was said in the election campaign on your own programme,' he said.
He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: 'To rip this up is unbelievably disappointing for hundreds of thousands of families who need care, for the people who are providing it, for the people who are trying to make decisions about it.
'It is another example of social care, something that affects people at some of the most difficult times of their lives being given too little attention, being ignore and being tossed aside.'
'We seem again to be in a position where a government is saying this isn't an important enough thing to carry on with. As far as I can see there is no current plan… we have to recognise we have failed another generation of families.'
Asked in June whether he was committing to bringing in the cap in October 2025, Mr Streeting told the BBC: 'That's the plan, as things stand.'
Pressed for a firm commitment, he responded: 'We don't have any plans to change that situation and that's the certainty and stability I want to give the system at this stage.'
Steven Cameron, Pensions Director at Aegon, said the decision was a 'bitter blow'.
'The announcement that the government will not be taking forward the previous government's deal on social care funding will be a bitter blow to those facing unlimited bills for adult social care,' he said.
'Social care funding is a major concern to millions of families but had been noticeably absent from the Government's election manifesto and the King's Speech.
'Cancelling the deal, which was to have started in October 2025, means individuals will no longer have their contributions towards eligible care costs capped at £86,000. Instead, as currently, those requiring care for longer periods face catastrophic care costs which can wipe out a lifetime of savings...
'Unfortunately, as now, those who've done the right thing and saved for their later life could see it all – and their family home - disappear to pay for care, destroying plans to leave an inheritance to loved ones.'
Labour's manifesto pledged to create a previously-suggested national care service, with locally delivered services based on the principle that people must be supported to live independently for as long as possible.
It also promised a fair pay agreement, setting fair pay, terms and conditions.
The party said it would 'consult widely' on the design of the agreement 'before beginning the process and learn from countries where they operate successfully'."
More Labour lies - "Asked in June whether he was committing to bringing in the cap in October 2025, Mr Streeting told the BBC: 'That's the plan, as things stand.'
Pressed for a firm commitment, he responded: 'We don't have any plans to change that situation and that's the certainty and stability I want to give the system at this stage.'"
The only 'certainty and stability' that Labour have provided is to scrap the plan and leave things as they are.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 10:57:40 GMT
I wish sometimes I had a German passport, and then I wouldn't have to go through the ridiculous situation at passport control over the stamping of the passport! I hold a German Resident's permit. In the past, I just showed that with my UK Passport and the passport was not stamped, both Entry and Exiting the EU. Then the rules changed. Then the EU decided that it would have to be stamped on Exit if my family were not with me! So, I had a number of Exit stamps, but no Entry stamps. This causes problems at Passport Control as they wonder why I only have Exit stamps in my passport. Most times I drive and use the Channel Tunnel, but sometimes I fly. However, if I fly Frankfurt-Zurich-Bristol then the passport was never stamped! Last week I was held up again as the French passport control wanted to know why I didn't have an Entry stamp. For the first time I didn't bother showing my Residence Permit as I knew it made no difference. However, last week the French passport control asked me if I had a Residence Permit, and the French guy explained to me that if I showed it then my passport doesn't need to be stamped on EU Exit........and this after having my passport stamped for the last eight months on Exit, even with a Residence Permit! It really is quite funny as they just don't seem to know what they are doing and makes the whole stamping of the passport a pointless exercise. We are out of the EU, that is what happens now. Yes, I know. I have no problems with stamping the passport, but it seems as though different EU passport control stations have different ideas, and even individual EU passport control officers cannot agree on the policy. The point I am making is that the whole thing is a joke and only causes delays at Passport Control. Also, if this is an example of the way the EU operates, then it only strengthens the view that we are better off out of the EU.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 10:40:32 GMT
and there is nothing wrong with that. I have many friends who hold British and German passports. My son has a British and a German passport. It is perfectly normal. Just what is your point? No big deal, I wasn't knocking people with two passports as your posts seems to indicate you think I was. I was responding to Icegas who said it was a lie that Yaxley-Lennon was an Irish Citizen. He is both Irish and British but seems to manipulate the use of one or the other when it suits him. I wish sometimes I had a German passport, and then I wouldn't have to go through the ridiculous situation at passport control over the stamping of the passport! I hold a German Resident's permit. In the past, I just showed that with my UK Passport and the passport was not stamped, both Entry and Exiting the EU. Then the rules changed. Then the EU decided that it would have to be stamped on Exit if my family were not with me! So, I had a number of Exit stamps, but no Entry stamps. This causes problems at Passport Control as they wonder why I only have Exit stamps in my passport. Most times I drive and use the Channel Tunnel, but sometimes I fly. However, if I fly Frankfurt-Zurich-Bristol then the passport was never stamped! Last week I was held up again as the French passport control wanted to know why I didn't have an Entry stamp. For the first time I didn't bother showing my Residence Permit as I knew it made no difference. However, last week the French passport control asked me if I had a Residence Permit, and the French guy explained to me that if I showed it then my passport doesn't need to be stamped on EU Exit........and this after having my passport stamped for the last eight months on Exit, even with a Residence Permit! It really is quite funny as they just don't seem to know what they are doing and makes the whole stamping of the passport a pointless exercise.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 30, 2024 10:19:31 GMT
"My mother had to pay £1000 per month top up for my father for two years even though their savings weren't that great but they owned a property."
Terry. so what are your views on the scrapping of the Social Health legislation by Labour?
"From the health perspective if we can get the NHS back up and running and bring waiting lists to 2010 levels or better then we will get to the level where the situation is less able to be manipulated from a health perspective. But it certainly is a minefield." - It has been said many times on here, and Oldie agrees, that the NHS needs a total reform, with a serious cross-party debate on how it is funded. Just getting waiting lists down ain't going to fix it !
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