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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2024 23:02:52 GMT
It's all been a bit of a set-up really, hasn't it? With hapless Tories being led by the nose from the Right into this mess. Just like with Brexit. Fer gawd's sake. When are you going to realise that the immigration failure is the result of both Labour and Tory policies? And to even mention Brexit in your post is just infantile. Brexit was the result of a national vote by the people. The fact that Labour and the Tories then turned it into a party political issue was shameful. Let's not forget that 17.2 million people voted for Brexit. Only 9 million people voted for this Labour government. The Tories did not lead anyone into Brexit. In fact the Tory government of the day was a Remain government. The HoC was, and still is, a Remain HoC. Why are you trying to rewrite historical fact?
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2024 22:57:43 GMT
and of course, there is no chaos with this current Labour government is there !
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2024 22:56:50 GMT
We are all entitled to our opinion Nobby, and while it is focussed on being willing to accept societal norms of respectability, we can discuss and debate, hopefully without plumbing the depths. I have seen and heard some pretty nasty and base racist outpourings from Davidson. I also heard him in a bar in a hotel in Manchester where I was staying. I would certainly not want to be associated with him or see him as someone to respect or listen to. I'm not saying that I agree with him, however opinions are like arse holes.........we all have one.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2024 22:54:59 GMT
Then why are you so unwilling to wait until Parliament gets back, we see the plans and budgets and then analyse them. Deriding and knocking them after 4/5 weeks really doesn't seem like giving them a chance. How do we know they are going to be the same as previous Governments or as corrupt and under external influence as the previous Government? How do we know they aren't going to change the ways Parliament operates? It's a narrative Cheshire This from a guy that thought austerity was a great idea because we had no choice...then freely admits..despite working on a leading stock exchange...was unaware of a leading USA economic indicator. Sadly the narrative in it's ignorance is relatively uniform across a multitude of topics. Sad really Tsk Oldie. You still cannot admit you were wrong about your claim that the US economy was booming under Biden. Global markets this week have proven you to be wrong. Facts dear boy, facts. Be a man and admit just once, that you were wrong. Why the personal attack? If there is a narrative here, it's you and the fact that you just cannot help yourself. Myself and Terry were talking about this current government, but you have to come back with degenerative comments about me. Why do you keep doing this? At the time, yes, austerity was needed. We are now seeing Labour implement austerity policies, but you cannot see it. This backs up my claim that both Labour and Tories are incompetent. Same old parties, same old policies, same old outcome, whichever of them you choose.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2024 13:38:56 GMT
Jim Davidson - Two-tier Keir: Does the PM just hate working-class Brits ? Jim Davidson as a political commentator, really? Aren't we all?
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2024 13:37:55 GMT
No evidence!!!! You're having a laugh aren't you. Stock markets across the globe fall due to fears of a US recession. Oh no, I haven't provided any evidence have I. I think the global markets are probably more accurate in their assessments than you doing a bit of copy & paste As for austerity, just what are Labour doing right now? Cancelling infrastructure projects, cancelling the building of 40 new hospitals, stopping the Winter Fuel Payments to OAP's to save money etc etc. What are Labour doing right now if it isn't 'austerity'? Out of interest are you saying that Labour should borrow hugely to complete the unfunded projects of the Tory Government? Cancelling 40 hospitals which were written on the back of a packet of Rizlas with no funding projections in place. People attack Labour saying they have no plans. No one shouting about the sh**show left by the Tories. Are people so blind in their support of the Tories and so unwilling to give Labour such little time. You gave the Tories 14 years. I think we can give Labour more than a few weeks. Or are you indeed saying the last 14 years was a huge and momentous success. No, the Tories were a disgrace. I was hoping that they would be wiped out in the election. Successive Labour and Tory governments just provide the same old policies, the same old tribal traits with the same old outcome. Both of the main parties have failed this country and they will continue to do so. Starmer is right about one thing, it's time for Change! I am not saying that Reform are the answer, but there is nobody else in the game. The low turnout at the GE just shows the public have had enough of these failed parties. The two main parties are to blame as they are both incompetent. They have brought about this situation. Why does anyone think that the two parties who have created this mess will ever be able to provide the answers to fix it?
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2024 13:28:58 GMT
and I am just pointing out that Oldie used those exact same words during the Bristol Riots at Bridewell Police Station where the phrase used "kill the bill" took on a whole new sinister meaning. Really Nobby, were any police killed as you are intimating. And what do say about Farage, Tice and others spreading disinformation and then suddenly backing away from it. Like Trump, saying oh yes, I understand while you are rioting, I 'don't agree' but if you carry on I fully understand why you do. "Really Nobby, were any police killed as you are intimating." - Really Terry, have you forgotten the Police van set alight with Police Officers inside it? Yes, this happened outside Bridewell. Thank God nobody was killed. And yes, Oldie did say he disagreed with the violence but he understood why it was happening, just as you suggest Trump did. Farage and Tice spreading false information? Just point out what false information they have been spreading. I keep hearing about it but I haven't actually seen any. It appears that if anyone asks any questions, then they are accused of inflamming the situation. In reality it is just an attempt to shut down free speech and for the authorities to avoid those questions.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2024 12:23:32 GMT
No evidence!!!! You're having a laugh aren't you. Stock markets across the globe fall due to fears of a US recession. Oh no, I haven't provided any evidence have I. I think the global markets are probably more accurate in their assessments than you doing a bit of copy & paste As for austerity, just what are Labour doing right now? Cancelling infrastructure projects, cancelling the building of 40 new hospitals, stopping the Winter Fuel Payments to OAP's to save money etc etc. What are Labour doing right now if it isn't 'austerity'? What happens after a couple of years of over exuberance on the markets? They correct. Tech company stocks in the last couple of years have been silly. Just this last year Amazon has risen by 51% between Aug 23 and June 24. Mostly predicated on AI hysteria Nvidia were the stocks to hold.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2024 11:54:47 GMT
Here's my angle. I think the screenshot's are fake. I do not believe a Tax Advisor would start talking about Zionism, nor would they request, online, the bank details of their client so they could return a refund. She would already have that information. In my experience, and I may of course be wrong, but I pay my tax advisor when they have completed their job. I don't pay them any money upfront as a deposit. I also don't think a Tax Advisor would use WhatsApp for this either. The point is that you continually have warned and spoken about misleading or fake messages on social media that are helping to inflame the situation. In my humble opinion, this is a good example of the fake messages being spread, with the mention of Zionism not helping things at all. The Mail, Mirror, Guardian and Metro have all reported on it, but if it's causing you offence I'll delete it. Well, we all know that you cannot trust the media. Remember Piers Morgan (Daily Mirror) publishing the pictures allegedly showing British troops abusing Iraqi prisoners? Any soldier looking at the photos would have known they were fake within 10 seconds, but he didn't verify them, published them, and in rioting the next day in Basra, people died.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2024 11:39:56 GMT
Here's my angle. I think the screenshot's are fake. I do not believe a Tax Advisor would start talking about Zionism, nor would they request, online, the bank details of their client so they could return a refund. She would already have that information. In my experience, and I may of course be wrong, but I pay my tax advisor when they have completed their job. I don't pay them any money upfront as a deposit. I also don't think a Tax Advisor would use WhatsApp for this either. The point is that you continually have warned and spoken about misleading or fake messages on social media that are helping to inflame the situation. In my humble opinion, this is a good example of the fake messages being spread, with the mention of Zionism not helping things at all. The Mail, Mirror, Guardian and Metro have all reported on it, but if it's causing you offence I'll delete it. It doesn't cause me offence.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2024 11:38:54 GMT
You say I was wrong, but as is usual with you, provide no evidence to substantiate your claim. Here is the actuality, as expressed in GDP terms "Real gross domestic product (GDP) increased at an annual rate of 2.8 percent in the second quarter of 2024, according to the "advance" estimate. In the first quarter, real GDP increased 1.4 percent. The increase in the second quarter primarily reflected increases in consumer spending, inventory investment, and business investment." Taking jobs added as an indicator of economic expansion "April Nonfarm payroll employment increased by 175,000 in April 2024, which was lower than the average monthly gain of 242,000 over the previous 12 months. May The US economy added 272,000 jobs in May 2024, which was the most in five months and higher than the average monthly gain of 232,000 over the previous 12 months. June Total nonfarm payroll employment increased by around 206,000 people in the United States in June 2024. July Nonfarm payrolls likely increased by 175,000 jobs in July 2024, according to a Reuters survey of economists. However, CNBC reported that job growth totaled 114,000 in July, which was much less than expected." Note that the average monthly gain over the year to end March 2024 was 242,000. And I was wrong to say that the USA economy has not expanded well under Biden. Yes of course😂😂 Pause for breath and then the Fed shaves at least 1/4% of the rate next review. Come on Nobby, give it up. Next you will be telling us that we were wrong in 2010 and the policies of austerity were a huge success No evidence!!!! You're having a laugh aren't you. Stock markets across the globe fall due to fears of a US recession. Oh no, I haven't provided any evidence have I. I think the global markets are probably more accurate in their assessments than you doing a bit of copy & paste As for austerity, just what are Labour doing right now? Cancelling infrastructure projects, cancelling the building of 40 new hospitals, stopping the Winter Fuel Payments to OAP's to save money etc etc. What are Labour doing right now if it isn't 'austerity'?
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2024 11:33:23 GMT
Prior to the general election people were saying that starmer would ruin the country with in a year. He has managed to do it in a month! That has to be a record. It's called "doing a Truss"
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2024 11:29:10 GMT
So, are you also thinking that Zionists are part to blame for the unrest? Surely not. No nobby Here's my angle. I think the screenshot's are fake. I do not believe a Tax Advisor would start talking about Zionism, nor would they request, online, the bank details of their client so they could return a refund. She would already have that information. In my experience, and I may of course be wrong, but I pay my tax advisor when they have completed their job. I don't pay them any money upfront as a deposit. I also don't think a Tax Advisor would use WhatsApp for this either. The point is that you continually have warned and spoken about misleading or fake messages on social media that are helping to inflame the situation. In my humble opinion, this is a good example of the fake messages being spread, with the mention of Zionism not helping things at all.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2024 10:58:34 GMT
But nothing said about her views regarding Zionism. I'm not sure it's his Legal Advisor. I think it is his Tax Advisor. Yeah, tax advisor. The point still stands, regardless of her views of his funding So, are you also thinking that Zionists are part to blame for the unrest? Surely not.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2024 10:51:17 GMT
So, do you support what the original person said about the screenshots? Was this a dig at Mr Robinson, or was it intended to show that his Muslim Tax Advisor blamed Mr Robinson and the Zionists for the unrest in the UK? I'm just trying to understand why you posted the link. It was pointing out his legal advisor won't work for him. Someone he's obviously employed. A dig at him, yeah. I'm sure she won't be the only person unwilling to work for him But nothing said about her views regarding Zionism. I'm not sure it's his Legal Advisor. I think it is his Tax Advisor.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2024 10:34:26 GMT
Just read the link. It appears his Muslim tax advisor is also blaming the 'Zionists' for the unrest. Funny how you haven't mentioned this PoP. I haven't mentioned anything about it aside from posting the link. Different people have different opinions on whether some of this is orchestrated from elsewhere and by whom So, do you support what the original person said about the screenshots? Was this a dig at Mr Robinson, or was it intended to show that his Muslim Tax Advisor blamed Mr Robinson and the Zionists for the unrest in the UK? I'm just trying to understand why you posted the link.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2024 10:19:38 GMT
Instead of just posting links to X, is it possible you could add a small comment to let us know what we will be looking at, and explain the point of the link? It would be helpful. I'm not happy opening up links that I have no idea as to what they contain. For example, the link doesn't explain that Mr Robinson's lawyer is a Muslim. Just read the link. It appears his Muslim tax advisor is also blaming the 'Zionists' for the unrest. Funny how you haven't mentioned this PoP.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2024 10:14:41 GMT
Um...err.....I've worked for a major European Stock Exchange for over 25 years. I think I have some knowledge of what is happening, and it ain't about your claim of AI. Shares have bombed across all sectors. The main fear is that the US is heading for a recession. No, I had no idea what US Non Farms Payroll was, nor I expect, does anyone else on this forum. I am not "quoting with glee" anything, just printing an article that shows the US economy is not booming under Biden as you have claimed. Why are you laughing at me? Is it a nervous laugh as your claims have been proven to be totally wrong? Well If you have worked on a European Stock Exchange for 25 years, I remain surprised you were unaware of a key American economic indicator. As for the stock sell off "Nvidia, Super Micro Computer lead AI trade carnage" www.cnbc.com/2024/08/05/nvidia-super-micro-computer-lead-ai-trade-carnage-with-both-stocks-down-more-than-12percent.htmlHave the Fed made a mistake in not lowering the interest rate earlier? Quite possibly but it's a hard call. Most economists, at this point, are quoting a no more than 25% chance of a recession. But, to be honest, I am not interested in getting into a ding dong with you over this. It's not a ding-dong Oldie. I'm just pointing out that you were wrong to claim the US economy is booming under Biden. Why don't you just admit that you were? By the way, it's carnage across all sector's, not just the Tech one.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2024 10:11:39 GMT
Instead of just posting links to X, is it possible you could add a small comment to let us know what we will be looking at, and explain the point of the link? It would be helpful. I'm not happy opening up links that I have no idea as to what they contain. For example, the link doesn't explain that Mr Robinson's lawyer is a Muslim.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2024 9:23:11 GMT
"He condemns it yet on the other hand saying he fully 'understands' why people are using violence, in other words actively encouraging them." Steady on Terry. You sound like Oldie did over the Bristol Riots when Bridewell was attacked. He used those exact same words ! Nobby you are a clever man, and so is Farage. He knows how to appear sympathetic but just say the right things that people will read its good to go. He has spent a lot of time with the Trump team including Bannon and the US Government and even some Republicans see the connection between Trump's rhetoric and the Capitol attack. The team behind Bannon and his ilk are very wealthy people and so psychological and societal (dis)information warfare are not new to them. Not a conspiracy, just seeing Trump and his outpourings and lack of action on Jan 6 is enough. and I am just pointing out that Oldie used those exact same words during the Bristol Riots at Bridewell Police Station where the phrase used "kill the bill" took on a whole new sinister meaning.
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