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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 8, 2024 6:25:05 GMT
I'm not, and didn't say the Tories led us into Brexit. I said the threat of the Right led the Tories into the Brexit mess, which was totally mismanaged as I'm sure people on all sides agree. Shhhhh Some don't want to accept responsibility for effing up our country, some are too unaware to even understand that Once again, why don't you stick to the issue being discussed instead of attempting these nasty snidey digs. What is wrong with you?
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 8, 2024 6:21:52 GMT
No, but the audience was mainly young children, many who were left frightened and crying. Chesh and Oldie, do you both think this was acceptable? Your glib responses to basel look as though you are going for him, and ignoring the main story.
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Aug 8, 2024 6:13:08 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Aug 8, 2024 6:13:08 GMT
Have a look at the 'migrants crime table' thread. Official government figures from some European countries. The UK refuse to publish the figures. The average crime rate for non ideginous people's of the UK is circa 5% of all crimes. The same (rounded) for ideginous people's. Link? I am interested as to how you come up with these figures as the UK government refuse to release crime figures regarding many grants.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 7, 2024 18:51:41 GMT
How does everyone feel about law abiding Indians across the UK feeling afraid to leave their homes this evening in case a gang of young men throw bricks at their heads? And I know for a fact that this is true in North West London. Its disgusting, and sadly there is no end in sight. This thing is targeting innocent people on all sides,and it's only a matter of time before people start dying on our streets. It's developed from protesting..into riots, and now it's become a tribal war, that soon will become a race and civil war. The army need mobilizing now. No. The Army want none of this. Are you aware that military personnel do not have to follow every order they are given? The government are probably very wary of the reaction they may get from the military.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 7, 2024 17:12:42 GMT
It's a year out of date and for some, as it's the Guardian, the source isn't one they'd use, but for the benefit of good debate: "The Oxford Migration Observatory, the academic institute that gathers data on the movement of people, said it was not aware of any recent academic or official statistics examining criminality among refugees who had recently arrived in the UK. “There is little evidence that migrants are any more or less likely to commit crimes than any other members of the population,” a spokesperson said. The National Police Chiefs’ Council said it was not in a position to say who Braverman had spoken to. But police sources said there is a general perception that those who arrive in small boats are vulnerable and can be victims or become victims of exploitation and then become involved in crimes. There will undoubtedly be those who go on to commit crime and there can be a variety of reasons why this may occur such as exploitation, debt bondage or proximity to organised crime gangs, the source said." www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2023/apr/26/does-suella-braverman-have-evidence-to-link-boat-arrivals-crimeHave a look at the 'migrants crime table' thread. Official government figures from some European countries. The UK refuse to publish the figures.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 7, 2024 17:06:48 GMT
Birmingham Police tell us the reason they did'nt police the Muslim thugs on the march,frightening reporters,beating people up,armed with knives,wearing masks etc ,is because the community leaders ( bulls**tting Imans I assume) told them there was no need for them to attend. Two tier Kier. Have tried to find that Bas. Can you provide a link please? I think this is the story..... No Police
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 7, 2024 14:23:32 GMT
What is going on in the Kursk region of Russia? We've seen Ukraine making small incursions into Russia before, but they tended to be small and short-lived. This one seems to be a bit different. Some reports suggest the Ukrainians have committed five Brigades to this. The question of course is why? Obviously the Ukes had identified this area as being weakly defended by the Russians, who will now have to draw forces away from other sectors to deal with it. In addition Ukraine can perform manoeuvre warfare now. This is what they need as the Russians are better equipped for the slow long-slog stuff. Online sources indicate that the Russians are really panicking over this.
An interesting move by the Ukrainians.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 7, 2024 12:04:11 GMT
I like this new form of quick justice.
Now, just when are the Manchester airport thugs who attacked the Police coming before the beak?
What's that, they haven't even been charged yet but one of the Policeman is still suspended?
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 7, 2024 11:42:21 GMT
Countries including Nigeria, Malaysia, Indonesia, Australia, Canada, India and the United Arab Emirates have issued fresh travel warnings for the UK following a spate of violent riots. Makes you really proud doesn't it! If you check back you'll find even more countries issued travel warnings to the UK after the London murder bombings. Makes you really proud doesn't it.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 7, 2024 11:37:43 GMT
Well obviously if someone has a visa they are not illegal. However, what happens when the visa expires? How many people are still in the UK with expired visas? Your answer didn't address illegal immigration at all as all it talked about were asylum seekers and visa holders. How are failed asylum seekers removed from the country? How are people with expired visas removed from the country? Icegas expressed his concerns and provided some definitions. I responded to that Stop trying to hijack Just who the hell are you to tell me to 'butt out' and now accuse me of hijacking the thread?
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Aug 7, 2024 11:32:45 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Aug 7, 2024 11:32:45 GMT
We are taking about illegal immigration here, I get your points that you raise, but you are confusing the two issues. Simple question for you,and please be honest and don't play your games if you want a genuine conversation here. Do we have a problem with "illegal immigration" in this country? Myself, I would call is a national crisis, and a pandemic of sorts and it's brought violence to our streets even if its being done by Hooligans, and far right thugs. Our boarders are out of control, and my views that I express on there that you largely take out if context and spin, are based on my very concerns of the invasion currently happening by criminals entering our country. Would you stop illegal immigrants entering this country by pulling up the drawbridge? In my opinion, we have to...Now. I agree that we have an issue with migration that does not arrive through legal channels. Absolutely, it's chaos, costing people's lives, overrunning our ability to process them in a timely fashion and costing us a fortune because of our laudable desire to stand by the treaties we have signed up to. But these 50,000 (let's not argue how this came about at this point) have a minimal impact on our out culture and language. What does have an impact is the Johnson Government altering the legal visa rules that has resulted in 1.2 million visas being issued annually to people from around the world. This change brought huge pressure on housing and services because a lot of these people were allowed to bring their families(I believe that's been amended now) so we're older. Some on here I like to compare it to when Blair opened up free movement. But it is not comparable in so far as those Europeans were on average, young, single and flexible. And our young had the same opportunities. So I put it to you, as much as people racking up on boats is a real issue, the impact on our society, the ones you have highlighted as an example, are minimal compared to the 1.2million annually the government have granted access to in the last few years. Aim your anger at the right targets The official government figure is 90,000 asylum seekers are currently waiting too be processed.
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Aug 7, 2024 10:54:45 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Aug 7, 2024 10:54:45 GMT
I thought we were talking about illegal immigration? I was responding to Icegas's definition which in fact were legitimate concerns. If you have nothing to add...dont Well obviously if someone has a visa they are not illegal. However, what happens when the visa expires? How many people are still in the UK with expired visas? Your answer didn't address illegal immigration at all as all it talked about were asylum seekers and visa holders. How are failed asylum seekers removed from the country? How are people with expired visas removed from the country?
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Aug 7, 2024 10:39:25 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Aug 7, 2024 10:39:25 GMT
1) Border.. 2) Language.. 3) Culture. If these are weakened, you lose your country. Illegal immigration does that.They have no right to be here,they are trespassing. I understand your objections to immigration, but the impact on those definitions you raise are more impacted by the volume of people, legal and illegal, surely? So If we have ... 1.2 million visas granted by our government because of A) Skill shortages B) To maintain our higher education funding Both brought upon us after the withdrawal from the Free Movement treaty and people much closer to our culture and history .....and Upto 50,000 a year claiming refugee status from around the world Which of those two groups has the biggest impact on our borders, language and culture...do you think? I thought we were talking about illegal immigration?
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Aug 7, 2024 10:37:21 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Aug 7, 2024 10:37:21 GMT
It's pretty clear that 'illegal immigration' refers to people who have no legal right to be in the country. It's not as straightforward as that So how would you define it?
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 7, 2024 9:51:40 GMT
Why not tell us what is your definition of illegal immigration? You ask these "gotcha" loaded questions all the time. In fairness Nobby, Icegas is the one using the term I would be interested in understanding how ordinary people believe what the term means as it is banded about by many at the top. It's pretty clear that 'illegal immigration' refers to people who have no legal right to be in the country.
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Aug 7, 2024 9:10:01 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Aug 7, 2024 9:10:01 GMT
And that's why Starmer is a fool,and should be done for Treason given his actions against this country this week. There is a very big difference between, Immigration... 'Illegal immigration'..And Mass immigration. I've personally never had a problem with Immigration, as long as it's controlled, and benefit's British society. I believe we have crossed the line of what we need to accept, and what helps us years ago... so I want to temporary stop any immigration to this country, as we are simply now FULL! ... Illegal immigration is just that ...illegal! We don't want them here.. They have no right to be here,and we should not be forced in to accepting them, as they are illegal invaders of our country. I really don't understand how people cannot understand that..? Historically, during these state of affairs, we would be at war with people for trying to invade our country,yet due to the lefties thickness and woke politics, we are meant to welcome these criminals in, all the while importing their backward, and aggressive culture's in ours. Out of interest, what is your definition of illegal immigration? Why not tell us what is your definition of illegal immigration? You ask these "gotcha" loaded questions all the time.
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Aug 7, 2024 7:48:07 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Aug 7, 2024 7:48:07 GMT
What you are saying is that the UK cannot deport anyone? Wow. That's not what he wrote, Cheshire said "if to do so breaks international law". Well, the EU are openly investigating introducing schemes the same as the Rwandan policy. Will the EU be breaking these mythical 'International Laws'?
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 7, 2024 6:27:43 GMT
To think he's just a stone's throw from RAF Akrotiri and British sovereign territory. Mind you, it'll be a double edged sword in that it'll raise tensions further. Difficult choices. The military are not interested in arresting people around the world as you suggest.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 7, 2024 6:23:09 GMT
Its my clone, he came to Bristol via a boat. If he, or she, was your clone then they would be equally semi literate 🫣🤭😂 Why do you keep doing this? Is it your ambition to promote bad feeling on this forum? There really is no need is there.
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Aug 7, 2024 6:14:42 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Aug 7, 2024 6:14:42 GMT
Human rights, introduced by Blair and Co I believe. Combined with the ECHR and the opening of the gates ( Blair and Co),it gave all the power to immigrants. We lacked the authority to deport and control our borders. We haven't given all the power to immigrants. Brexit means that we cannot just send them back to France any more at will. We also cannot deport anyone if to do so breaks international laws and agreements which the United Kingdom has signed and agreed to since World War 2 when we led the world in wanting agreements that would stop states going rogue. The Tories went very close to doing that and breaking international agreements. Starmer has stated that we will abide by international agreements and laws that we have signed up to. What you are saying is that the UK cannot deport anyone? Wow.
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