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Post by droitwichgas on May 8, 2021 19:02:27 GMT
As we are being honest and open with each other, can you confirm that Wael suggested that you stand for the position of Supporters Club Director? If this is true has he considered co- opting you to the board now that the Supporters Club has closed down this rout for you? Wael did not ask me personally to stand as a SC director nominee. I decided to do that after KM resigned. You would have to ask Wael personally if he plans to place a fan on the board directly but I’ve never had any conversations with anyone about me ever joining. If he did I'm sure we'd get one a damn sight sooner than we will waiting for the SC to put forward their candidates (do they even have any?) and get SC members to vote. Surely with lockdown being lifted the SC can now set a date for the AGM/vote?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 19:24:20 GMT
Wael did not ask me personally to stand as a SC director nominee. I decided to do that after KM resigned. You would have to ask Wael personally if he plans to place a fan on the board directly but I’ve never had any conversations with anyone about me ever joining. If he did I'm sure we'd get one a damn sight sooner than we will waiting for the SC to put forward their candidates (do they even have any?) and get SC members to vote. Surely with lockdown being lifted the SC can now set a date for the AGM/vote? Would be interesting to find out how many are still paying in to the Share Scheme. Can't we just take it out the back and shoot it?
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Post by vaughan on May 8, 2021 20:00:00 GMT
Sorry THD a couple of questions have been asked. Wasn’t Ken banned from the exec boxes and then after that happened he resigned? I think that’s how it played out. Re your other comments: Ken was elected unopposed the last time I believe but I don’t think there was any opposition. JC made it clear that there I will never be considered a candidate again so even if I did have support from other members it’s vanity. Ken being excluded from the West Stand wouldn't have prevented him from fulfilling his duties as supporters' representative, unless it was a blanket ban from that area of the ground and meetings were held there, in which case he could have simply put the onus on the FC to explain why meetings had taken place in his absence. It sounds to me as if there was maybe more to that than we are being told. Ref Jim, the point is that if you can demonstrate that you have a large body of support, similar to the volume of support that Masters or Brian were elected with, you may need to do some research as SS membership will now be lower, so it only needs to be a similar % of those eligible to vote, then Jim and his the EC have a dilemma as they are there to represent supporters, not their own opinions. Of course, their immediate reaction will be to put up their own candidate and throw everything they have behind that person, but nothing worth having is easy to achieve. Please don't be like Vaughan when he was talking about some kind of supporter funded scheme / investment but when challenged to do it made every excuse under the sun not to. I see my name being dragged up. I wrote to Steve Hamer and said about the possibility of a crowd-funding scheme to generate funds for a new East Stand. He agreed that it was a good idea, but DS were not interested in any crowd-funding scheme. He had asked on my behalf. Please stop baiting me, as I have shared all my thoughts and actions on this Forum. Simple fact: people will not give off funds unless there is executive support for such funding.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 20:17:17 GMT
Ken being excluded from the West Stand wouldn't have prevented him from fulfilling his duties as supporters' representative, unless it was a blanket ban from that area of the ground and meetings were held there, in which case he could have simply put the onus on the FC to explain why meetings had taken place in his absence. It sounds to me as if there was maybe more to that than we are being told. Ref Jim, the point is that if you can demonstrate that you have a large body of support, similar to the volume of support that Masters or Brian were elected with, you may need to do some research as SS membership will now be lower, so it only needs to be a similar % of those eligible to vote, then Jim and his the EC have a dilemma as they are there to represent supporters, not their own opinions. Of course, their immediate reaction will be to put up their own candidate and throw everything they have behind that person, but nothing worth having is easy to achieve. Please don't be like Vaughan when he was talking about some kind of supporter funded scheme / investment but when challenged to do it made every excuse under the sun not to. I see my name being dragged up. I wrote to Steve Hamer and said about the possibility of a crowd-funding scheme to generate funds for a new East Stand. He agreed that it was a good idea, but DS were not interested in any crowd-funding scheme. He had asked on my behalf. Please stop baiting me, as I have shared all my thoughts and actions on this Forum. Simple fact: people will not give off funds unless there is executive support for such funding. I offered to sign up to the scheme and to give you seed funding to promote it so that pressure could be put on the FC. You weren't interested. So it looked like you were just pretending that you were prepared to run with the idea. Sorry if that's baiting, but it's my recollection of what happened.
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Post by irenestoyboy on May 8, 2021 22:02:26 GMT
Sorry THD a couple of questions have been asked. Wasn’t Ken banned from the exec boxes and then after that happened he resigned? I think that’s how it played out. Re your other comments: Ken was elected unopposed the last time I believe but I don’t think there was any opposition. JC made it clear that there I will never be considered a candidate again so even if I did have support from other members it’s vanity. Ken being excluded from the West Stand wouldn't have prevented him from fulfilling his duties as supporters' representative, unless it was a blanket ban from that area of the ground and meetings were held there, in which case he could have simply put the onus on the FC to explain why meetings had taken place in his absence. It sounds to me as if there was maybe more to that than we are being told. Ref Jim, the point is that if you can demonstrate that you have a large body of support, similar to the volume of support that Masters or Brian were elected with, you may need to do some research as SS membership will now be lower, so it only needs to be a similar % of those eligible to vote, then Jim and his the EC have a dilemma as they are there to represent supporters, not their own opinions. Of course, their immediate reaction will be to put up their own candidate and throw everything they have behind that person, but nothing worth having is easy to achieve. Please don't be like Vaughan when he was talking about some kind of supporter funded scheme / investment but when challenged to do it made every excuse under the sun not to. JC refuses to communicate with me, I’ve tried on at least 2 or 3 occasions. I can understand why as I’ve been critical, but you can’t put yourself at the top of the table and then swerve the difficult questions and situations if you don’t like them. If you’re a leader you front up, and if you have made mistakes you admit to them but he’s more of a bury your head in the sand type and hope things blow over and he certainly never owned the fact that he backed the wrong horse in Masters. I no longer qualify to put myself forward as a Sc director as I’m no longer a member, you have to me a member for the start of a term and also they have barred me from standing for life. If JC or the exec got in touch and reversed that decision I would put my name forward again and happily do as you suggested.
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Post by irenestoyboy on May 8, 2021 22:03:52 GMT
Wael did not ask me personally to stand as a SC director nominee. I decided to do that after KM resigned. You would have to ask Wael personally if he plans to place a fan on the board directly but I’ve never had any conversations with anyone about me ever joining. If he did I'm sure we'd get one a damn sight sooner than we will waiting for the SC to put forward their candidates (do they even have any?) and get SC members to vote. Surely with lockdown being lifted the SC can now set a date for the AGM/vote? I don’t see any issue with doing it via a video conference such as zoom. It’s not hard.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 22:54:15 GMT
Ken being excluded from the West Stand wouldn't have prevented him from fulfilling his duties as supporters' representative, unless it was a blanket ban from that area of the ground and meetings were held there, in which case he could have simply put the onus on the FC to explain why meetings had taken place in his absence. It sounds to me as if there was maybe more to that than we are being told. Ref Jim, the point is that if you can demonstrate that you have a large body of support, similar to the volume of support that Masters or Brian were elected with, you may need to do some research as SS membership will now be lower, so it only needs to be a similar % of those eligible to vote, then Jim and his the EC have a dilemma as they are there to represent supporters, not their own opinions. Of course, their immediate reaction will be to put up their own candidate and throw everything they have behind that person, but nothing worth having is easy to achieve. Please don't be like Vaughan when he was talking about some kind of supporter funded scheme / investment but when challenged to do it made every excuse under the sun not to. JC refuses to communicate with me, I’ve tried on at least 2 or 3 occasions. I can understand why as I’ve been critical, but you can’t put yourself at the top of the table and then swerve the difficult questions and situations if you don’t like them. If you’re a leader you front up, and if you have made mistakes you admit to them but he’s more of a bury your head in the sand type and hope things blow over and he certainly never owned the fact that he backed the wrong horse in Masters. I no longer qualify to put myself forward as a Sc director as I’m no longer a member, you have to me a member for the start of a term and also they have barred me from standing for life. If JC or the exec got in touch and reversed that decision I would put my name forward again and happily do as you suggested. Do as suggested, find out what support people are prepared to pledge, then take that message to Jim. The SC is run on democratic principles, Jim is entitled to an opinion, but no more than that. Of course, there's always a possibility that if you did force his hand in this way that the entire EC would resign, this is where you are going to have to demonstrate that you posses the research, communication and persuasion skills required to be an effective Supporters' Director, you'll need study the SC constitution, study the Share Scheme agreement, then convince Jim that you not only deserve an opportunity to stand for election but that you will be an asset to supporters, the SC and the FC if elected. That's what the job is all about. As I see it, the ball's in your court.
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Post by baselswh on May 30, 2021 16:42:16 GMT
Blackpool 2 Lincoln City 1.
So your ST will see you the Imps next season.
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Post by dido on May 30, 2021 16:57:12 GMT
Um.....do you get relegated for losing at Wembley, then?
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Post by baselswh on May 30, 2021 17:18:08 GMT
Um.....do you get relegated for losing at Wembley, then? Oops!🙂 Ha!
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Post by warehamgas on May 30, 2021 18:30:52 GMT
Um.....do you get relegated for losing at Wembley, then? Oops!🙂 Ha! Easy mistake to make! I’ve tried to wipe it from my mind as well. 😉 UTG!
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Post by baselswh on May 31, 2021 20:44:38 GMT
Morecambe promoted to the 3rd tier,so we have a derby game v Newport County to look forward to.
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Post by The Concept on Jun 1, 2021 6:49:18 GMT
Not bad for a 4th Tier club, I suppose:
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jun 1, 2021 8:35:37 GMT
JC refuses to communicate with me, I’ve tried on at least 2 or 3 occasions. I no longer qualify to put myself forward as a Sc director as I’m no longer a member, you have to me a member for the start of a term and also they have barred me from standing for life.
If JC or the exec got in touch and reversed that decision I would put my name forward again and happily do as you suggested. Do the rules or constitution of the BRSC allow them to take an arbitrary decision like banning you sine die from standing as an elected official or to represent the share scheme?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 23:24:31 GMT
JC refuses to communicate with me, I’ve tried on at least 2 or 3 occasions. I no longer qualify to put myself forward as a Sc director as I’m no longer a member, you have to me a member for the start of a term and also they have barred me from standing for life.
If JC or the exec got in touch and reversed that decision I would put my name forward again and happily do as you suggested. Do the rules or constitution of the BRSC allow them to take an arbitrary decision like banning you sine die from standing as an elected official or to represent the share scheme? I've touched on this already Cheshire. I don't think that the SC are able to refuse a nomination as long as the candidate has been a Share Scheme member for the required period and is seconded by a SC member. As suggested to ITB, this is where he needs to demonstrate that he has the powers of persuasion and social skills that the role demands and utilise those abilities to convince Jim and the other EC members that he's the right person for the job and that having him in place would benefit supporters, the SC and the FC.
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Post by baselswh on Jun 3, 2021 19:53:31 GMT
Over 1000 STs sold for the Thatchers End.
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Post by Igitur on Jun 4, 2021 9:56:39 GMT
I may have missed it but did any of you receive an acknowledgement or cheesy letter from say the manager when renewing?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 4, 2021 11:21:12 GMT
Over 1000 STs sold for the Thatchers End. Given it has a capacity of, I think, 4K, then they could be the only ones allowed in. I know a fair few who bought ST because of the likelihood that only they will be allowed in, until we know more about this Indian variant of covid
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Post by Delsy on Jun 4, 2021 15:56:57 GMT
Are you sure you don't mean the ' Delta' variant ? or maybe the Nepal variant or even God forbid the third Yorkshire mutated variant !..... it's all becoming a little laughable now, just try and get on with life peeps.
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