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Post by eppinggas on May 6, 2021 9:32:09 GMT
Nice to have you back irenestoyboy . Could I ask. Was swiss banned from gaschat? If so, what rules did he break? You can tell me it's none of my business if you like. It's just as Admin I've been sorely tempted to ban people who I vehemently disagree with, but I respect freedom of speech. Been a bit of a break since March 12th. Surprised you have time to moderate gaschat and monitor this tiny forum of independent thought. Fair play to you. I don't always agree with swiss. But he is always measured and constructive in his criticism of Wael Al-Qadi. People who don't like what he has to say can come across as very rude. And they make personal insults, rather than valid points. It's almost as if they've been personally stung by the criticism. Thanks Epping. You’re right, I don’t come here often and comment, but look in regularly to see what’s being discussed. Sometimes stuff being discussed here isn’t worth my commenting as I either largely agree with what’s being said amd for the sake of repetition there’s nothing to add or the vibe is so overly negative getting involved wouldnt be constructive. I’m sure we all post with passion and that always comes through regardless of what’s being discussed. As regards Swiss banning, From memory we had a fraught Saturday when only 2 mods were online (me being one of them and I was dealing with another situation) and there was a degree of posters wumming each other of which 2 were attacking me personally. Swiss got mixed up in that somehow and was banned by another mod. The following day when it had settled down and more mods were online it was determined that Swiss was banned in error and reinstated. I think it was explained by Axegas at the time quite clearly. Ah - thanks for explaining. A very fair response.
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Post by irenestoyboy on May 6, 2021 9:39:44 GMT
Swiss,
Can you also produce his current accounts, personal investments and any other business that may contribute to his financial income?
I mean these are just public companies. For example, say he owned a couple of hundred bitcoin that he purchased when they were £1000 each then hes probably sat on £300m. Its speculative, I know, but thats the point. You are being as speculative making the assumption thats his only income. In reality, no one knows his absolute net worth and neither has he disclosed it. So unless there is physical evidence that the club is in trouble financially, which there isnt, then I dont see what you are trying to make people worry for.
All of your concerns you have ever listed or mentioned have been qualmed or quashed by Wael capitalising the debt and paying for a training facility, at a point in time when having physical cash in the bank is probably what any business or individual would want right now.
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Post by eppinggas on May 6, 2021 9:50:58 GMT
You asked me to pull together my estimate of a full picture relating to : -The various other shareholdings he has and their financial performance -The shareholdings for his share of the estate of his father similarly -Details of his savings/investments over the years and their performance -Details of his share of savings/investments for the estate of his father So, after research and analysis in conjunction with my Eastern Mediterranean associate, Ms Klebb, these figures are made up. excluding AJIB and METICO Assets (millions) Annual Income (millions)
JOD US$ € Euro GB£ JOD US$ € Euro GB£ 8.15 1.25 0.80 1.45 0.29 0.10 0.60 0.85 Exchange Rate Assumptions JOD 0.99 = GB£ 1.00 US$ 1.39 = GB£ 1.00 € Euro 1.16 = GB£ 1.00 Jordanian effective tax rate assumption 28% Total Assets GB£ 11, 270,000 Total Annual Income GB£ 1, 734,000 Could you now please let us have your estimates contradiction ? Well I rang Wael, my master (obviously) to ask how to reply and he said "Contradiction - leave it. Some of them on there will go on and on and on whatever, and most of the others are bored and will make up their own minds"
A really poor response. I believe in modern parlance "you just got owned".
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 10:19:04 GMT
I mean these are just public companies. For example, say he owned a couple of hundred bitcoin that he purchased when they were £1000 each then hes probably sat on £300m. My gut instinct is that if Wael had £300m stuffed under his Janjaap Ruissenaars floating mattress, we would be in a new stadium already.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 10:47:41 GMT
Well I rang Wael, my master (obviously) to ask how to reply and he said "Contradiction - leave it. Some of them on there will go on and on and on whatever, and most of the others are bored and will make up their own minds"
A really poor response. I believe in modern parlance "you just got owned". Believe what you want Epping I'm not sure Swiss is being too serious here ie mentioning that the figures are made up and with the help of a fictional James Bond character. The debate has been had and its clear people can 'speculate' as much as they want re WAQ's financial situation. There is nothing anyone can do about that. Its also clear that such speculation will not be based on evidence as such evidence will never be the public domain, and Swiss knows full well its impossible to know the state of WAQ's personal wealth (only that attributed to shareholdings in the public domain) Like I said above, people can make up their own minds Have a nice day
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Post by eppinggas on May 6, 2021 11:41:07 GMT
A really poor response. I believe in modern parlance "you just got owned". Believe what you want Epping I'm not sure Swiss is being too serious here ie mentioning that the figures are made up and with the help of a fictional James Bond character. The debate has been had and its clear people can 'speculate' as much as they want re WAQ's financial situation. There is nothing anyone can do about that. Its also clear that such speculation will not be based on evidence as such evidence will never be the public domain, and Swiss knows full well its impossible to know the state of WAQ's personal wealth (only that attributed to shareholdings in the public domain) Like I said above, people can make up their own minds Have a nice day Indeed. As you said back in March "people can make up their own minds". You have a nice day to. I must again thank you for finding time to post. For in your own words, "Some of us have busy jobs and busy lives, and this is just a minor and incidental forum well down the list of priorities". Bless you.
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Post by swissgas on May 6, 2021 11:59:46 GMT
Swiss, Can you also produce his current accounts, personal investments and any other business that may contribute to his financial income? I mean these are just public companies. For example, say he owned a couple of hundred bitcoin that he purchased when they were £1000 each then hes probably sat on £300m. Its speculative, I know, but thats the point. You are being as speculative making the assumption thats his only income. In reality, no one knows his absolute net worth and neither has he disclosed it. So unless there is physical evidence that the club is in trouble financially, which there isnt, then I dont see what you are trying to make people worry for. All of your concerns you have ever listed or mentioned have been qualmed or quashed by Wael capitalising the debt and paying for a training facility, at a point in time when having physical cash in the bank is probably what any business or individual would want right now. And you accused a fellow Gashead of not being the sharpest knife in the drawer ?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 13:06:10 GMT
Swiss, Can you also produce his current accounts, personal investments and any other business that may contribute to his financial income? I mean these are just public companies. For example, say he owned a couple of hundred bitcoin that he purchased when they were £1000 each then hes probably sat on £300m. Its speculative, I know, but thats the point. You are being as speculative making the assumption thats his only income. In reality, no one knows his absolute net worth and neither has he disclosed it. So unless there is physical evidence that the club is in trouble financially, which there isnt, then I dont see what you are trying to make people worry for. All of your concerns you have ever listed or mentioned have been qualmed or quashed by Wael capitalising the debt and paying for a training facility, at a point in time when having physical cash in the bank is probably what any business or individual would want right now. And you accused a fellow Gashead of not being the sharpest knife in the drawer ? I kind of wish he was the Supporters' Director. Can you imagine the scenes at a board meeting when he plonked copies of that on the table? Made up, with the help of Ms Klebb
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Post by bondigas on May 6, 2021 13:37:51 GMT
I think that would be a marvellous idea if he became the Supporters Director, we receive an awful lot of information now from him when he posts which can only come from someone on high within the club, can you imagine if he were on the board, the self righteous belief he has would amount to open house in terms of confidential information being shared amongst us all on this forum.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 13:54:44 GMT
Great to see we're now on 10 pages of talking about the season ticket launch.
Oh wait...it's another thread where supercilious meets The Devil.
1,000+ is great going in such a short time.
UTG.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 14:02:17 GMT
Great to see we're now on 10 pages of talking about the season ticket launch. Oh wait...it's another thread where supercilious meets The Devil. 1,000+ is great going in such a short time. UTG. From memory wasn't there a bounce in season ticket sales last time Rovers were relegated to L2? Maybe I imagined that. If so, subject to present ground capacity sales should be buoyant. Not directly related to the present ownership, have always said that this club doesn't deserve the loyalty that it gets from its support base. I won't be buying as long as Punchy is here, but fair play to everybody who has stepped up and supported their club.
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 6, 2021 14:06:41 GMT
Swiss, Can you also produce his current accounts, personal investments and any other business that may contribute to his financial income? I mean these are just public companies. For example, say he owned a couple of hundred bitcoin that he purchased when they were £1000 each then hes probably sat on £300m. Its speculative, I know, but thats the point. You are being as speculative making the assumption thats his only income. In reality, no one knows his absolute net worth and neither has he disclosed it. So unless there is physical evidence that the club is in trouble financially, which there isnt, then I dont see what you are trying to make people worry for. All of your concerns you have ever listed or mentioned have been qualmed or quashed by Wael capitalising the debt and paying for a training facility, at a point in time when having physical cash in the bank is probably what any business or individual would want right now. And you accused a fellow Gashead of not being the sharpest knife in the drawer ? I prefer the sofa and pillows. Makes me feel wealthy having 31.69. 😝
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Post by irenestoyboy on May 6, 2021 16:12:27 GMT
I think that would be a marvellous idea if he became the Supporters Director, we receive an awful lot of information now from him when he posts which can only come from someone on high within the club, can you imagine if he were on the board, the self righteous belief he has would amount to open house in terms of confidential information being shared amongst us all on this forum. Well Jim Chappell took it upon himself to break his own constitution and ban me from the SC for life. So now you'll have to rely on misinformation instead. Sorry. What have I posted thats confidential? I havent repeated anything that hasn't already been put into the public domain or has been discussed by anyone else at some point.
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Post by gastower on May 6, 2021 16:52:51 GMT
On the 19th January you resigned your membership of the SC so it looks to me that you jumped first As for confidential information you informed us all yesterday of allegations made against our owner involving a juvenile You were also the OP on gaschat advising us all that a complaint had been made to the EFL about the governance of the club .Surely sensitive and confidential information known only to board of the club itself.Looks to me that you are being fed information
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Post by irenestoyboy on May 6, 2021 17:15:00 GMT
On the 19th January you resigned your membership of the SC so it looks to me that you jumped first As for confidential information you informed us all yesterday of allegations made against our owner involving a juvenile You were also the OP on gaschat advising us all that a complaint had been made to the EFL about the governance of the club .Surely sensitive and confidential information known only to board of the club itself.Looks to me that you are being fed information Permanently banned from standing as a director in laymans english. Unless you were the 3 copied in on that email, and there is no Dave Baker listed as the treasurer, vicechair or secretary on the SC executive committee, how would you know the date and times of said email? Attachments:
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Post by bondigas on May 6, 2021 17:27:39 GMT
Let me jog your memory, you informed the world of Kyle Bennett's wages at the the club on Gaschat. At the time you were asked how you came about this confidential information and you replied by telling us all you had a drink after a game with a teammate of Bennett's who told you what he was earning. Really nice thing to do that both by the teammate if true and you for going public with it, the victim of your pronouncement then had that revelation of his salary stuffed down his throat on the forums and in the Evil Post, you never know, as a fanatical Gashead did you subject that player to unnecessary mental stress for the rest of his contract which affected his form.
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Post by vaughan on May 6, 2021 17:30:57 GMT
#boohisss
Note the additional s
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Post by irenestoyboy on May 6, 2021 17:31:44 GMT
On the 19th January you resigned your membership of the SC so it looks to me that you jumped first As for confidential information you informed us all yesterday of allegations made against our owner involving a juvenile You were also the OP on gaschat advising us all that a complaint had been made to the EFL about the governance of the club .Surely sensitive and confidential information known only to board of the club itself.Looks to me that you are being fed information And for the record, that knowledge of the complaint came from someone inside your own club! Who equally thinks the way the executive committee behaves, acts and conducts itself is despicable!
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Post by irenestoyboy on May 6, 2021 17:35:50 GMT
Let me jog your memory, you informed the world of Kyle Bennett's wages at the the club on Gaschat. At the time you were asked how you came about this confidential information and you replied by telling us all you had a drink after a game with a teammate of Bennett's who told you what he was earning. Really nice thing to do that both by the teammate if true and you for going public with it, the victim of your pronouncement then had that revelation of his salary stuffed down his throat on the forums and in the Evil Post, you never know, as a fanatical Gashead did you subject that player to unnecessary mental stress for the rest of his contract which affected his form. That info was long circulated on the terraces and mentioned on the forum prior to me writing it on a forum. I merely had it confirmed. Kyle Bennett’s poor form and lack of ability as a L1 footballer was also evidenced long before his salary was disclosed. Let’s be honest, he’s had 4 managers at Rovers, none of them have played him and 2 of them loaned him out to L2. Was the published list of players wages by sky a couple of weeks back also a break of confidentiality? Some pretty laughable figures on them but some of them would be accurate.
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Post by axegas on May 6, 2021 17:44:21 GMT
Let me jog your memory, you informed the world of Kyle Bennett's wages at the the club on Gaschat. At the time you were asked how you came about this confidential information and you replied by telling us all you had a drink after a game with a teammate of Bennett's who told you what he was earning. Really nice thing to do that both by the teammate if true and you for going public with it, the victim of your pronouncement then had that revelation of his salary stuffed down his throat on the forums and in the Evil Post, you never know, as a fanatical Gashead did you subject that player to unnecessary mental stress for the rest of his contract which affected his form. If a player’s form was affected by a comment posted on the forums, then I’d question why we were employing them in the first place. But as I recall the rumour had been circulating for a long time and his form was already very poor by the time any exactitude was established.
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