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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 27, 2023 0:39:57 GMT
This shared ownership doesn't seem to have been easy, with factions creating a lot of friction There was Hamer and Hani. Hani didn't want to spend more, but Hamer had ambitions, including for himself But Wael wanted to push on with investment Then there was Widders, Mr 100%, who also seemed to have a different view Cogs was the Big Sam stabilisation man, but with hindsight didn't seem to have a supporting clique Widders backed Bennie Boy, and has since taken on several of his players. Ben's football was dull, but he was also unlucky B***** promised a one stop shop solution to everything, with publicity and profile, with Colonel Bufton-Tufton brought in to sort out the SC and Presidents Club factions Team Waelly finally got control. Then ran out of ideas, or money, and brought in another co-owner/new faction Why do you think Benny was unlucky AMPG? I thought he was clueless and out of his depth in a puddle. Still shuddering at how he set us up for a home thrashing by Doncaster. Widdrington may eventually prove himself to be a decent football manager (early signs of this at Aldershot) but glad he won’t get the opportunity here. What he did to Tisdale (and it seems also to Coughlan) was unforgivable. Self over anything else selfish twunt PS twunt is a good and internet-friendly word |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 27, 2023 15:42:18 GMT
Deffo not going to ask you if you have anyone in mind. Oh no, Sir, not me! Agree with you about the manager, but the ownership is the more strategic bit The previous factionalism ran for a very long time. And Wael maybe wanted someone else to resolve it for him - maybe due to him being a very nice chap and all But if Wael and Sami are the warmer and fuzzier support act, behind the seemingly harder- nosed Al Sayeeds', that might conceivably work quite nicely But maybe that's my wishful thinking Genuine answer, I know nothing at all about the new owners as I stopped following events whilst the previous manager was employed. My passion has been rekindled and I will get to games again as soon as I can. I have met Wael and I genuinely believe he did what he thought was best so although I was grateful for him funding the losses, employing B***** destroyed all confidence I had in him to make the right decisions for the long term good of the club. I agree with some of what you say but believe really stick himself in a position where he would have lost any integrity he has, because he was the man who took our losses to close to quadruple what they were plus he made mistake after mistake and i imagine they were costly to pay off. As for the new guy, very low key so very difficult to know what plan or plans he has. As always, as rovers supporters, we live in hope of better. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2023 15:59:31 GMT
Genuine answer, I know nothing at all about the new owners as I stopped following events whilst the previous manager was employed. My passion has been rekindled and I will get to games again as soon as I can. I have met Wael and I genuinely believe he did what he thought was best so although I was grateful for him funding the losses, employing B***** destroyed all confidence I had in him to make the right decisions for the long term good of the club. I agree with some of what you say but believe really stick himself in a position where he would have lost any integrity he has, because he was the man who took our losses to close to quadruple what they were plus he made mistake after mistake and i imagine they were costly to pay off. As for the new guy, very low key so very difficult to know what plan or plans he has. As always, as rovers supporters, we live in hope of better. Looks like we dodged another bullet with Ollie revealing that Wael wanted him to come in to advise and work with Joseph Barton. Can you imagine a bloke who knows everything and does no wrong would want advice from a fossil like Ollie.  |
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 27, 2023 17:38:13 GMT
I agree with some of what you say but believe really stick himself in a position where he would have lost any integrity he has, because he was the man who took our losses to close to quadruple what they were plus he made mistake after mistake and i imagine they were costly to pay off. As for the new guy, very low key so very difficult to know what plan or plans he has. As always, as rovers supporters, we live in hope of better. Looks like we dodged another bullet with Ollie revealing that Wael wanted him to come in to advise and work with Joseph B*****. Can you imagine a bloke who knows everything and does no wrong would want advice from a fossil like Ollie. But imagine the publicity of having both of those famous characters at the club And a sop to all the Gasheads who were offended by B***** by bringing back the family jewel Publicity and popularity, and maybe even some football benefit too! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2023 17:44:23 GMT
Barton and Holloway, really? We have the right outcome.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2023 20:17:22 GMT
Looks like we dodged another bullet with Ollie revealing that Wael wanted him to come in to advise and work with Joseph B*****. Can you imagine a bloke who knows everything and does no wrong would want advice from a fossil like Ollie. But imagine the publicity of having both of those famous characters at the club And a sop to all the Gasheads who were offended by B***** by bringing back the family jewel Publicity and popularity, and maybe even some football benefit too! If you wanted a circus then good luck to you and BRFC. Fortunately the new owners don't seek popularity at any cost unlike the previous owner. |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Dec 27, 2023 21:11:05 GMT
But imagine the publicity of having both of those famous characters at the club And a sop to all the Gasheads who were offended by B***** by bringing back the family jewel Publicity and popularity, and maybe even some football benefit too! If you wanted a circus then good luck to you and BRFC. Fortunately the new owners don't seek popularity at any cost unlike the previous owner. What’s going on at Exeter SDG? Have they got the right man in Caldwell and will he turn things around? Personally hope he does as I have a soft spot for all the Devon clubs but obviously that doesn’t include taking points off us. I know they have lost a lot of their better players but they seem in freefall so not feeling confident for them. Also other than when first at Wigan his record is not great |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2023 21:23:30 GMT
If you wanted a circus then good luck to you and BRFC. Fortunately the new owners don't seek popularity at any cost unlike the previous owner. What’s going on at Exeter SDG? Have they got the right man in Caldwell and will he turn things around? Personally hope he does as I have a soft spot for all the Devon clubs but obviously that doesn’t include taking points off us. I know they have lost a lot of their better players but they seem in freefall so not feeling confident for them. Also other than when first at Wigan his record is not great Jury is still out. This season was always going to be a difficult one with so many players out of contract and looking for a bigger pay day than what Exeter can afford. I think even Matt Taylor would have faced a stiff task had he still been there. They started well but I think their style was too simplistic and they soon got found out. They also have a gap of players coming through from their academy which as we know has kept their club alive for the last 20 years. I think Caldwell will be given the January window to improve the squad but Exeter aren't known for sacking managers. The players are giving everything but losing Nombe without replacement was one loss too far. |
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 27, 2023 22:10:52 GMT
I agree with some of what you say but believe really stick himself in a position where he would have lost any integrity he has, because he was the man who took our losses to close to quadruple what they were plus he made mistake after mistake and i imagine they were costly to pay off. As for the new guy, very low key so very difficult to know what plan or plans he has. As always, as rovers supporters, we live in hope of better. Looks like we dodged another bullet with Ollie revealing that Wael wanted him to come in to advise and work with Joseph B*****. Can you imagine a bloke who knows everything and does no wrong would want advice from a fossil like Ollie. Ollie presumably turned him down? One of his better decisions probably. Love Ollie but his time has been and gone and I’d hate for him to spoil his reputation with us by getting involved with JB. Also it would have been very short-lived and probably unsuccessful. UTG! |
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Post by lostinspace on Dec 27, 2023 22:15:24 GMT
Looks like we dodged another bullet with Ollie revealing that Wael wanted him to come in to advise and work with Joseph B*****. Can you imagine a bloke who knows everything and does no wrong would want advice from a fossil like Ollie. Ollie presumably turned him down? One of his better decisions probably. Love Ollie but his time has been and gone and I’d hate for him to spoil his reputation with us by getting involved with JB. Also it would have been very short-lived and probably unsuccessful. UTG! Thought the story was her indoors said for 2 days only.....and he was expected to do it for free!!? |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 28, 2023 10:18:54 GMT
I agree with some of what you say but believe really stick himself in a position where he would have lost any integrity he has, because he was the man who took our losses to close to quadruple what they were plus he made mistake after mistake and i imagine they were costly to pay off. As for the new guy, very low key so very difficult to know what plan or plans he has. As always, as rovers supporters, we live in hope of better. Looks like we dodged another bullet with Ollie revealing that Wael wanted him to come in to advise and work with Joseph B*****. Can you imagine a bloke who knows everything and does no wrong would want advice from a fossil like Ollie. That would not have been good for Ollie. I just hope the new guy/s are not prone to the multiple changes of plans, that WAQ showed. I am on one of my breaks from Rovers, I consider myself to have done my time but just know I will be back. I just am not feeling anything right now. Yes, it’s in the blood but I will wait until I feel the urge again. I’m always interested but am not missing the pulava of parking, traffic and the day. Maybe the new people will change my mind |
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Post by trunky on Dec 28, 2023 11:11:42 GMT
Ollie presumably turned him down? One of his better decisions probably. Love Ollie but his time has been and gone and I’d hate for him to spoil his reputation with us by getting involved with JB. Also it would have been very short-lived and probably unsuccessful. UTG! Thought the story was her indoors said for 2 days only.....and he was expected to do it for free!!? |
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Post by irenestoyboy on Dec 28, 2023 14:09:25 GMT
If you wanted a circus then good luck to you and BRFC. Fortunately the new owners don't seek popularity at any cost unlike the previous owner. What’s going on at Exeter SDG? Have they got the right man in Caldwell and will he turn things around? Personally hope he does as I have a soft spot for all the Devon clubs but obviously that doesn’t include taking points off us. I know they have lost a lot of their better players but they seem in freefall so not feeling confident for them. Also other than when first at Wigan his record is not great Its Exeter being Exeter. They have a ceiling and its L1. They have a great model of being fan owned etc and everyone points at them as something to aspire to, and perhaps we can learn some lessons, but they will never punch higher than this division. They get promoted to L1, have 2 seasons in the middle, the manager then leaves and they are forced to sell some home grown talent (Pond, Nombe, Jay) to try and have a decent-ish budget for this league and that results into a season where they will be in a relegation fight and will likely go down. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2023 15:32:29 GMT
What’s going on at Exeter SDG? Have they got the right man in Caldwell and will he turn things around? Personally hope he does as I have a soft spot for all the Devon clubs but obviously that doesn’t include taking points off us. I know they have lost a lot of their better players but they seem in freefall so not feeling confident for them. Also other than when first at Wigan his record is not great Its Exeter being Exeter. They have a ceiling and its L1. They have a great model of being fan owned etc and everyone points at them as something to aspire to, and perhaps we can learn some lessons, but they will never punch higher than this division. They get promoted to L1, have 2 seasons in the middle, the manager then leaves and they are forced to sell some home grown talent (Pond, Nombe, Jay) to try and have a decent-ish budget for this league and that results into a season where they will be in a relegation fight and will likely go down. Almost right. I agree under their current ownership, stadium and level of support League 1 is the pinnacle for Exeter as a football club. I would argue that their structure, below the ownership, is a brilliant one. Although the stadium is modest it has been fully rebuilt within the time we have been at The Mem. Their training ground is a league above what we have and they have no debt. Pond was sold not because they needed the money but because of the policy of progressing players both within and by allowing youngsters to progress to a higher level whilst receiving handsome compensation. This policy is realised by clubs higher up the pyramid hence Jay Stansfield being allowed to come back on a season long loan. Nombe had his head turned by the chance of playing at a higher level and was only sold after it was obvious his heart was no longer at the club. Matt Jay was offered a new contract but chose to move on a free transfer, a move which has been a disaster for him. Jevani Brown was released because the clubs owners have higher standards than the owner we had at the start of the season. I think they have enough strength to stay up and the manager will be backed in January from the cash the club has sat on deposit as they have zero debt. Give us Bristol Rovers with the same high level of organisation, not the trust model, and we will have a Championship club. Matt Taylor knows the way, let's see if we give him time to build it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2023 17:12:08 GMT
I think fan-ownership and sustainability are admirable and to be aspired to. I wouldn't want to describe them having a 'ceiling'. It's never going to happen at Rovers in my lifetime, but that's a pity, in my view.
As for giving Matt Taylor time, and after the last manager, Matt Taylor gets years, not months, to get us winning, over a longer term.
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Dec 28, 2023 17:28:55 GMT
 When I watch Beer Albion,I sit in their little stand with a Guy who was a former Exeter Director.I'd forgotten they had dropped into the Conference for six seasons.One of their problems is the rapid growth of the Rugby Union club with a high profile and excellent stadium.Exeter great little club with the first 50 visiting supporters through the gates getting a free cup of tea!!! Both Footy and Rugby clubs have an outlet in the City centre for merchandise and match tickets. Staff speak well of MT. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2023 17:37:59 GMT
When I watch Beer Albion,I sit in their little stand with a Guy who was a former Exeter Director.I'd forgotten they had dropped into the Conference for six seasons.One of their problems is the rapid growth of the Rugby Union club with a high profile and excellent stadium.Exeter great little club with the first 50 visiting supporters through the gates getting a free cup of tea!!! Both Footy and Rugby clubs have an outlet in the City centre for merchandise and match tickets. Staff speak well of MT. Hi Colyton, you were at a Beer Albion game that I attended a few weeks ago when I went to catch up with Richard Walker. I spent the entire game with him reliving some good and some not so good times. I also learnt a few things as well. The ex director from Exeter, was he pre admin or post? Obviously post admin they have been trust owned with a couple of the previous owners ending up in prison. As for competition from the rugby club, they regularly play on the same day and Exeter City have been selling out most weeks so I don't think there is too much of an issue there. The rugby club has been a jewel in the Devon crown but they are having a few financial issues. Owned by one man who has sold his business so cash isn't as fluid as it used to be. Might see you back at Furzebrake sometime soon. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2023 17:45:14 GMT
I think fan-ownership and sustainability are admirable and to be aspired to. I wouldn't want to describe them having a 'ceiling'. It's never going to happen at Rovers in my lifetime, but that's a pity, in my view. As for giving Matt Taylor time, and after the last manager, Matt Taylor gets years, not months, to get us winning, over a longer term. The problem is Shoveler is the gap between each tier is getting bigger and bigger. I have spent the last year struggling to watch Rotherham games and despite the owner investing millions out of his own pocket and having a modern stadium that he built and paid for they just can't compete in the Championship. Matt Taylor worked a miracle last year keeping them up with just a bit of luck along the way. The first time in the last decade that they were able to do so. No matter how many managers they appoint this season they will probably go down and the owner could have saved a fortune in paying off management staff. Unfortunately he is a fan and blinded by his red and white blood. I was at Plymouth a couple of weeks and he was sat 4 seats to my right. He stormed out when they went 2-1 down. He missed a good game although they ended up losing 3-2. |
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 28, 2023 17:57:09 GMT
Regarding fan trust ownership, Portsmouth when they nearly went out of business became a fan owned football club afterwards. Not surprising considering some of the crooks they had owning them over the years. It probably saved the club at the time.
I think under the fans owners Pompey got promoted from League 2 to League 1 but then had a few years of being around mid table but never really threatened the top of the table. They realised that under that model they would be unlikely to progress to the Championship so when John Asner came in with an offer of funding that was conditional on his having complete control they had to make a decision. Keep the fans model or disband it and sell it to Asner. It had to go to a fans vote and they had to agree to the fans ownership being wound up and Asner taking over.
It was passed and Asner took over. It’s only now that they look likely to make the Championship.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2023 18:23:41 GMT
Regarding fan trust ownership, Portsmouth when they nearly went out of business became a fan owned football club afterwards. Not surprising considering some of the crooks they had owning them over the years. It probably saved the club at the time. I think under the fans owners Pompey got promoted from League 2 to League 1 but then had a few years of being around mid table but never really threatened the top of the table. They realised that under that model they would be unlikely to progress to the Championship so when John Asner came in with an offer of funding that was conditional on his having complete control they had to make a decision. Keep the fans model or disband it and sell it to Asner. It had to go to a fans vote and they had to agree to the fans ownership being wound up and Asner taking over. It was passed and Asner took over. It’s only now that they look likely to make the Championship. UTG! What a fantastic position to be in, allowing the fans to have a say in the destiny of their football club. It's taken Pompey nearly 7 years since the takeover from the trust so no success can be guaranteed as instant. Whether or not a club is trust owned, privately owned by individuals like ours doesn't matter a jot unless you have a solid structure running through the entire set up. We have a chance of getting right under the new ownership, let's hope we can all get behind them and no more snipes from behind the scenes about cancelled Christmas parties or an ex manger who nobody wants to appoint having a pop at our newest manager. It was very unlike Ollie so I wonder who prompted him. |
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