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Post by bondigas on Oct 30, 2020 14:40:12 GMT
I wonder if Liam Scales was the catalyst to the breakdown between Coughlan and the owner. It looked as if he was a shoe in to sign in July 2019,but Coughlan was made to look foolish especially back in Dublin after alerting the press the player was joining Rovers.I don't think Coughlan held back as an individual if upset or let down and probably spoke his mind, can't believe as Starnes tried to portray the day after he quit that he had rung Starnes asking for his job back on the Sunday morning. Now what are we left with, a youth team coach, not a manager, who is controlled by the owner, has had no influence with who has joined the club over the last three months apart from probably Daly and Koiki. Booted out the one player that could impose himself in midfield rather than the present bunch of choir boys. Ask the question yourself and answer it honestly, name any other club in the EFL who would have appointed someone as manager who hadn't worked at any club for seven months before joining Rovers and even then that was assisting Steve Coppell in India, just check out the standard on Youtube. Add the fact he has a never played the game or managed at any senior level of football it doesn't fill you with confidence going forward. I'm afraid I'm not so optimistic, Coughlan came across as bully but at least we were 4th in the league and looked as if we were going to give it a right go in the second half of the season and probably would have made the play offs. Only time will tell but all the signs for me are pointing in the wrong direction.
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Post by swissgas on Oct 31, 2020 19:57:37 GMT
It's funny - I'm much more excited by the BG/training ground/develop 'em project Which isn't to say it'll work, but I think it's a big step forwards To be honest I share both sentiments to an extent;
1)I actually seem more in the positive camp than most about the current direction of the club and towards BG too. Although, I believe that he still has a great deal to prove and I completely understand why it will take a long time to win over many and he may still not do so. That's a hole he's dug for himself so I have little sympathy. But I am definitely in the cautiously optimistic camp at this point based on off field developments and the games I've watched so far this year.
On the other hand also......
2)I remain absolutely furious at the way we were treated as fans during the GC debacle and what followed. I normally agree with Swiss but not this time. I simply don't believe Starnes statement because it makes no sense in terms of what happened afterwards. A club looking for continuity does not appoint a manager with no experience, who has a completely different tactical approach and then give him the greenlight to turn over half the squad from a position where we were 4th in the League! It's just not a credible defence in my eyes. It's quite clear to me that BG was doing what he was hired to do and that had next to nothing to do with taking a full swing at promotion. The best that can be said is that we were still trying for promotion within a context of making other fundamental changes to the way we worked re; recruitment, training, tactics etc but I'm not sure I'm prepared to even be that generous. And I wasn't a very big fan of GC either. It's the principle that makes me very cross - you don't treat your fans like that.
For many years Irish our leaders have known they can say one thing and then do something completely different without having to give any explanation and with no questioning from the fans or media. This IMO breeds complacency, sloppiness and poor decision making which eventually means they dig themselves into a very deep hole. Look at Nick Higgs’ physical and mental deterioration after five years at the helm and look at Wael now. |
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Post by bluetornados on Nov 14, 2020 22:09:03 GMT
With all the banter about Monk and Cocu who are now available, why not get GC back for the rest of this season, a short term fix that just might work.
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Post by laughinggas on Nov 14, 2020 22:27:23 GMT
With all the banter about Monk and Cocu who are now available, why not get GC back for the rest of this season, a short term fix that just might work. No thanks. Besides, what do we do next season, look again? |
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Post by irishrover on Nov 14, 2020 22:57:54 GMT
With all the banter about Monk and Cocu who are now available, why not get GC back for the rest of this season, a short term fix that just might work. Why? It's a completely different set of players now from the squad he was working with before and I can't imagine they're the sort of players he would want. |
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Post by bluetornados on Dec 26, 2023 3:43:15 GMT
Mansfield TownOn 17th December 2019, Coughlan decided to accept an offer to become new manager of League Two Mansfield Town. It was reported that it was family reasons that he left, his family being based in South Yorkshire. On 28th October 2020, Mansfield Town confirmed they had parted ways with Coughlan, after a poor start to the season. Sheffield United U23On 22nd March 2021, Coughlan joined Sheffield United U23 as a coach until the end of the season, along with Darren Currie. Newport CountyOn 20th October 2022, Coughlan was appointed manager of League Two club Newport County on a two-and-a-half year contract with Newport in 19th place in League Two after 14 league matches of the 2022–23 season...Newport finished the 2022–23 season in 15th position in League Two. So GC leaves BRFC to go back up north for family reasons, but ultimately ends up over the bridge at Newport County in L2... Of course we don't know about his family reasons / problems, but it seems to me a little odd that he is now at NC... ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/800/cpsprodpb/18530/production/_132123699_cdf_091223_tranmere_v_newport_010.jpgFormer Bristol Rovers and Mansfield Town manager Graham Coughlan has been in charge at Newport County since October 2022
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 26, 2023 9:38:39 GMT
Mansfield TownOn 17th December 2019, Coughlan decided to accept an offer to become new manager of League Two Mansfield Town. It was reported that it was family reasons that he left, his family being based in South Yorkshire. On 28th October 2020, Mansfield Town confirmed they had parted ways with Coughlan, after a poor start to the season. Sheffield United U23On 22nd March 2021, Coughlan joined Sheffield United U23 as a coach until the end of the season, along with Darren Currie. Newport CountyOn 20th October 2022, Coughlan was appointed manager of League Two club Newport County on a two-and-a-half year contract with Newport in 19th place in League Two after 14 league matches of the 2022–23 season...Newport finished the 2022–23 season in 15th position in League Two. So GC leaves BRFC to go back up north for family reasons, but ultimately ends up over the bridge at Newport County in L2... Of course we don't know about his family reasons / problems, but it seems to me a little odd that he is now at NC... ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/800/cpsprodpb/18530/production/_132123699_cdf_091223_tranmere_v_newport_010.jpgFormer Bristol Rovers and Mansfield Town manager Graham Coughlan has been in charge at Newport County since October 2022 Does anyone really believe the family reasons thing ? It was obvious he was being undermined with a potential new guy attending matches, he left before he got sacked. That is how I have always seen it. |
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Post by TaiwanGas on Dec 26, 2023 10:34:49 GMT
Mansfield TownOn 17th December 2019, Coughlan decided to accept an offer to become new manager of League Two Mansfield Town. It was reported that it was family reasons that he left, his family being based in South Yorkshire. On 28th October 2020, Mansfield Town confirmed they had parted ways with Coughlan, after a poor start to the season. Sheffield United U23On 22nd March 2021, Coughlan joined Sheffield United U23 as a coach until the end of the season, along with Darren Currie. Newport CountyOn 20th October 2022, Coughlan was appointed manager of League Two club Newport County on a two-and-a-half year contract with Newport in 19th place in League Two after 14 league matches of the 2022–23 season...Newport finished the 2022–23 season in 15th position in League Two. So GC leaves BRFC to go back up north for family reasons, but ultimately ends up over the bridge at Newport County in L2... Of course we don't know about his family reasons / problems, but it seems to me a little odd that he is now at NC... ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/800/cpsprodpb/18530/production/_132123699_cdf_091223_tranmere_v_newport_010.jpgFormer Bristol Rovers and Mansfield Town manager Graham Coughlan has been in charge at Newport County since October 2022 Does anyone really believe the family reasons thing ? It was obvious he was being undermined with a potential new guy attending matches, he left before he got sacked. That is how I have always seen it. In his own words ‘he has taken us as far as he can’. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2023 10:36:33 GMT
Mansfield TownOn 17th December 2019, Coughlan decided to accept an offer to become new manager of League Two Mansfield Town. It was reported that it was family reasons that he left, his family being based in South Yorkshire. On 28th October 2020, Mansfield Town confirmed they had parted ways with Coughlan, after a poor start to the season. Sheffield United U23On 22nd March 2021, Coughlan joined Sheffield United U23 as a coach until the end of the season, along with Darren Currie. Newport CountyOn 20th October 2022, Coughlan was appointed manager of League Two club Newport County on a two-and-a-half year contract with Newport in 19th place in League Two after 14 league matches of the 2022–23 season...Newport finished the 2022–23 season in 15th position in League Two. So GC leaves BRFC to go back up north for family reasons, but ultimately ends up over the bridge at Newport County in L2... Of course we don't know about his family reasons / problems, but it seems to me a little odd that he is now at NC... ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/800/cpsprodpb/18530/production/_132123699_cdf_091223_tranmere_v_newport_010.jpgFormer Bristol Rovers and Mansfield Town manager Graham Coughlan has been in charge at Newport County since October 2022 Does anyone really believe the family reasons thing ? It was obvious he was being undermined with a potential new guy attending matches, he left before he got sacked. That is how I have always seen it. There was a common denominator of the undermining during this period and later. Joey Barton eliminated that threat as soon as he walked through the door. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 26, 2023 11:03:32 GMT
This shared ownership doesn't seem to have been easy, with factions creating a lot of friction
There was Hamer and Hani. Hani didn't want to spend more, but Hamer had ambitions, including for himself
But Wael wanted to push on with investment
Then there was Widders, Mr 100%, who also seemed to have a different view
Cogs was the Big Sam stabilisation man, but with hindsight didn't seem to have a supporting clique
Widders backed Bennie Boy, and has since taken on several of his players. Ben's football was dull, but he was also unlucky
B***** promised a one stop shop solution to everything, with publicity and profile, with Colonel Bufton-Tufton brought in to sort out the SC and Presidents Club factions
Team Waelly finally got control. Then ran out of ideas, or money, and brought in another co-owner/new faction
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2023 11:36:11 GMT
This shared ownership doesn't seem to have been easy, with factions creating a lot of friction There was Hamer and Hani. Hani didn't want to spend more, but Hamer had ambitions, including for himself But Wael wanted to push on with investment Then there was Widders, Mr 100%, who also seemed to have a different view Cogs was the Big Sam stabilisation man, but with hindsight didn't seem to have a supporting clique Widders backed Bennie Boy, and has since taken on several of his players. Ben's football was dull, but he was also unlucky B***** promised a one stop shop solution to everything, with publicity and profile, with Colonel Bufton-Tufton brought in to sort out the SC and Presidents Club factions Team Waelly finally got control. Then ran out of ideas, or money, and brought in another co-owner/new faction A good summary but Widdrington lost his Mr 100% tag after the 2-0 defeat to Gillingham. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 26, 2023 13:38:05 GMT
This shared ownership doesn't seem to have been easy, with factions creating a lot of friction There was Hamer and Hani. Hani didn't want to spend more, but Hamer had ambitions, including for himself But Wael wanted to push on with investment Then there was Widders, Mr 100%, who also seemed to have a different view Cogs was the Big Sam stabilisation man, but with hindsight didn't seem to have a supporting clique Widders backed Bennie Boy, and has since taken on several of his players. Ben's football was dull, but he was also unlucky B***** promised a one stop shop solution to everything, with publicity and profile, with Colonel Bufton-Tufton brought in to sort out the SC and Presidents Club factions Team Waelly finally got control. Then ran out of ideas, or money, and brought in another co-owner/new faction A good summary but Widdrington lost his Mr 100% tag after the 2-0 defeat to Gillingham. Yes, I did remember that. I thought it very funny when Wael said it. But it was only really appropriate for a genuine temp, not someone who had real football management ambitions My recollections are usually a bit spotty, so I'm a little surprised that you agree (one of the differences between us is that you actually know something about football, so particularly good to have you back in light of that) On that basis, what's your prognosis for the new arrangements? Personally, I'm very encouraged this far |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2023 15:25:58 GMT
To be fair to Al Qadi, I think he was just joking and flattering his chosen man, not really calling him that. Remember, Widdrington's loyalty to Al Qadi earned him a place on the board, lost only when Al Qadi's folly made him move on to kneel before a new saviour. Widdrington was overpromoted, much like the so-called CEO.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2023 20:37:43 GMT
A good summary but Widdrington lost his Mr 100% tag after the 2-0 defeat to Gillingham. Yes, I did remember that. I thought it very funny when Wael said it. But it was only really appropriate for a genuine temp, not someone who had real football management ambitions My recollections are usually a bit spotty, so I'm a little surprised that you agree (one of the differences between us is that you actually know something about football, so particularly good to have you back in light of that) On that basis, what's your prognosis for the new arrangements? Personally, I'm very encouraged this far I think Matt Taylor is a brilliant choice for manager and the time was right for him to take the job. Decent squad which just needed a little more professionalism in its management and set up and already they are heading in the right direction. He does need some more help in his coaching ranks though. |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Dec 26, 2023 20:50:17 GMT
This shared ownership doesn't seem to have been easy, with factions creating a lot of friction There was Hamer and Hani. Hani didn't want to spend more, but Hamer had ambitions, including for himself But Wael wanted to push on with investment Then there was Widders, Mr 100%, who also seemed to have a different view Cogs was the Big Sam stabilisation man, but with hindsight didn't seem to have a supporting clique Widders backed Bennie Boy, and has since taken on several of his players. Ben's football was dull, but he was also unlucky B***** promised a one stop shop solution to everything, with publicity and profile, with Colonel Bufton-Tufton brought in to sort out the SC and Presidents Club factions Team Waelly finally got control. Then ran out of ideas, or money, and brought in another co-owner/new faction Why do you think Benny was unlucky AMPG? I thought he was clueless and out of his depth in a puddle. Still shuddering at how he set us up for a home thrashing by Doncaster. Widdrington may eventually prove himself to be a decent football manager (early signs of this at Aldershot) but glad he won’t get the opportunity here. What he did to Tisdale (and it seems also to Coughlan) was unforgivable. Self over anything else selfish twunt |
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 26, 2023 21:36:12 GMT
This shared ownership doesn't seem to have been easy, with factions creating a lot of friction There was Hamer and Hani. Hani didn't want to spend more, but Hamer had ambitions, including for himself But Wael wanted to push on with investment Then there was Widders, Mr 100%, who also seemed to have a different view Cogs was the Big Sam stabilisation man, but with hindsight didn't seem to have a supporting clique Widders backed Bennie Boy, and has since taken on several of his players. Ben's football was dull, but he was also unlucky B***** promised a one stop shop solution to everything, with publicity and profile, with Colonel Bufton-Tufton brought in to sort out the SC and Presidents Club factions Team Waelly finally got control. Then ran out of ideas, or money, and brought in another co-owner/new faction Why do you think Benny was unlucky AMPG? I thought he was clueless and out of his depth in a puddle. Still shuddering at how he set us up for a home thrashing by Doncaster. Widdrington may eventually prove himself to be a decent football manager (early signs of this at Aldershot) but glad he won’t get the opportunity here. What he did to Tisdale (and it seems also to Coughlan) was unforgivable. Self over anything else selfish twunt the events in his personal life meant that he stalled almost before he had started I'm not saying he would have been successful, just that I felt that fate didn't give him a fair crack of the whip at BRFC it was always a 'big ask gamble', but at least I understood the aspirational thinking |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Dec 26, 2023 22:44:36 GMT
Why do you think Benny was unlucky AMPG? I thought he was clueless and out of his depth in a puddle. Still shuddering at how he set us up for a home thrashing by Doncaster. Widdrington may eventually prove himself to be a decent football manager (early signs of this at Aldershot) but glad he won’t get the opportunity here. What he did to Tisdale (and it seems also to Coughlan) was unforgivable. Self over anything else selfish twunt the events in his personal life meant that he stalled almost before he had started I'm not saying he would have been successful, just that I felt that fate didn't give him a fair crack of the whip at BRFC it was always a 'big ask gamble', but at least I understood the aspirational thinking Fair enough - had forgotten about the personal stuff which would be tough for anyone. I understood the plan to grow our own more but saw no evidence that he could form an effective team or style of play out of the tools he had at his disposal. Have any of his squad other than Macca survived here? He was the worst manager we have had here football wise imho |
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 26, 2023 23:45:40 GMT
Yes, I did remember that. I thought it very funny when Wael said it. But it was only really appropriate for a genuine temp, not someone who had real football management ambitions My recollections are usually a bit spotty, so I'm a little surprised that you agree (one of the differences between us is that you actually know something about football, so particularly good to have you back in light of that) On that basis, what's your prognosis for the new arrangements? Personally, I'm very encouraged this far I think Matt Taylor is a brilliant choice for manager and the time was right for him to take the job. Decent squad which just needed a little more professionalism in its management and set up and already they are heading in the right direction. He does need some more help in his coaching ranks though. Deffo not going to ask you if you have anyone in mind. Oh no, Sir, not me! Agree with you about the manager, but the ownership is the more strategic bit The previous factionalism ran for a very long time. And Wael maybe wanted someone else to resolve it for him - maybe due to him being a very nice chap and all But if Wael and Sami are the warmer and fuzzier support act, behind the seemingly harder- nosed Al Sayeeds', that might conceivably work quite nicely But maybe that's my wishful thinking |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2023 23:55:17 GMT
I think Matt Taylor is a brilliant choice for manager and the time was right for him to take the job. Decent squad which just needed a little more professionalism in its management and set up and already they are heading in the right direction. He does need some more help in his coaching ranks though. Deffo not going to ask you if you have anyone in mind. Oh no, Sir, not me! Agree with you about the manager, but the ownership is the more strategic bit The previous factionalism ran for a very long time. And Wael maybe wanted someone else to resolve it for him - maybe due to him being a very nice chap and all But if Wael and Sami are the warmer and fuzzier support act, behind the seemingly harder- nosed Al Sayeeds', that might conceivably work quite nicely But maybe that's my wishful thinking Genuine answer, I know nothing at all about the new owners as I stopped following events whilst the previous manager was employed. My passion has been rekindled and I will get to games again as soon as I can. I have met Wael and I genuinely believe he did what he thought was best so although I was grateful for him funding the losses, employing Barton destroyed all confidence I had in him to make the right decisions for the long term good of the club. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 27, 2023 0:37:08 GMT
Deffo not going to ask you if you have anyone in mind. Oh no, Sir, not me! Agree with you about the manager, but the ownership is the more strategic bit The previous factionalism ran for a very long time. And Wael maybe wanted someone else to resolve it for him - maybe due to him being a very nice chap and all But if Wael and Sami are the warmer and fuzzier support act, behind the seemingly harder- nosed Al Sayeeds', that might conceivably work quite nicely But maybe that's my wishful thinking Genuine answer, I know nothing at all about the new owners as I stopped following events whilst the previous manager was employed. My passion has been rekindled and I will get to games again as soon as I can. I have met Wael and I genuinely believe he did what he thought was best so although I was grateful for him funding the losses, employing B***** destroyed all confidence I had in him to make the right decisions for the long term good of the club. Ta Nowt there to make me reconsider, at least Onwards and upwards! |
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