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Post by syg on Oct 27, 2020 22:30:35 GMT
Has been fired.
His wife cant be happy.
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Post by mangogas15 on Oct 27, 2020 22:36:59 GMT
No one is bigger than the club. Look where they are, look where we are. Couldn't happen to a nicer club. Hope they go down.
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syg
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Post by syg on Oct 27, 2020 22:42:14 GMT
Thats got to be well up there in bad footballing career moves.
Leaves a club 4th in l1 for a club lower than that in l2. Wins 4 games in 24 and gets fired.
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Post by bloogas on Oct 27, 2020 23:20:49 GMT
Narrow escape for us....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 23:43:12 GMT
Hell yea, we almost got promoted! |
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Post by irishrover on Oct 27, 2020 23:52:43 GMT
I guess he might be free to talk about what happened now....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 0:30:54 GMT
Hell yea, we almost got promoted! in December? |
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Post by crater on Oct 28, 2020 7:30:43 GMT
Wonder if the next club that employs him will be in close proximity to Sheffield?
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Post by simonj on Oct 28, 2020 7:55:17 GMT
Hell yea, we almost got promoted! Really? |
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Post by mangogas15 on Oct 28, 2020 8:05:29 GMT
Hell yea, we almost got promoted! Really? Yeah we did, in a season where no one wanted to take the top spot, Cov fell into it, Peterborough, Sunderland, Ipswich, Portsmouth and nearly Wycombe bottled it. It was nearly the season where we were going inti lock down in 2nd place with another transfer window, which GC was good at, to strengthen and keep that momentum going. Looking at Wycombe, you have to know your place, but I agree we could well have gone up had he stayed and I have maintained this since last season was ended the way it was. Wycombe picked up their first point last night. Coventry, Rotherham and Wycombe have won 2 out of 23 games and i don't think they have played each other yet. Last season Charlton, Luton and Barnsley showed how difficult it is to go up, interesting that this seems to be where the gap may finally be starting to show. |
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Post by simonj on Oct 28, 2020 8:16:53 GMT
Yeah we did, in a season where no one wanted to take the top spot, Cov fell into it, Peterborough, Sunderland, Ipswich, Portsmouth and nearly Wycombe bottled it. It was nearly the season where we were going inti lock down in 2nd place with another transfer window, which GC was good at, to strengthen and keep that momentum going. Looking at Wycombe, you have to know your place, but I agree we could well have gone up had he stayed and I have maintained this since last season was ended the way it was. Wycombe picked up their first point last night. Coventry, Rotherham and Wycombe have won 2 out of 23 games and i don't think they have played each other yet. Last season Charlton, Luton and Barnsley showed how difficult it is to go up, interesting that this seems to be where the gap may finally be starting to show. I will just scratch my head. Sure there is a chance we may have made the playoffs, we became effective, but that style of football would have unravelled sooner than later. Ifs buts and maybes. He chose another avenue to take his effective style, and I think you said he was good at transfer windows, and while he had a few at his new club, the job was too big. |
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Post by mangogas15 on Oct 28, 2020 8:41:58 GMT
Yeah we did, in a season where no one wanted to take the top spot, Cov fell into it, Peterborough, Sunderland, Ipswich, Portsmouth and nearly Wycombe bottled it. It was nearly the season where we were going inti lock down in 2nd place with another transfer window, which GC was good at, to strengthen and keep that momentum going. Looking at Wycombe, you have to know your place, but I agree we could well have gone up had he stayed and I have maintained this since last season was ended the way it was. Wycombe picked up their first point last night. Coventry, Rotherham and Wycombe have won 2 out of 23 games and i don't think they have played each other yet. Last season Charlton, Luton and Barnsley showed how difficult it is to go up, interesting that this seems to be where the gap may finally be starting to show. I will just scratch my head. Sure there is a chance we may have made the playoffs, we became effective, but that style of football would have unravelled sooner than later. Ifs buts and maybes. He chose another avenue to take his effective style, and I think you said he was good at transfer windows, and while he had a few at his new club, the job was too big. Good with us at the transfer windows, maybe that was Widdrington?.. Agree the style and our luck would have unravelled. If and buts, would we have gone down under DC, likely but we will never know in the same way. |
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Post by irishrover on Oct 28, 2020 12:12:40 GMT
Yeah we did, in a season where no one wanted to take the top spot, Cov fell into it, Peterborough, Sunderland, Ipswich, Portsmouth and nearly Wycombe bottled it. It was nearly the season where we were going inti lock down in 2nd place with another transfer window, which GC was good at, to strengthen and keep that momentum going. Looking at Wycombe, you have to know your place, but I agree we could well have gone up had he stayed and I have maintained this since last season was ended the way it was. Wycombe picked up their first point last night. Coventry, Rotherham and Wycombe have won 2 out of 23 games and i don't think they have played each other yet. Last season Charlton, Luton and Barnsley showed how difficult it is to go up, interesting that this seems to be where the gap may finally be starting to show. I'm not as positive about the counter-factual as that. I think some other clubs very much turned it around after Christmas. I don't Coventry and Rotherham fell into promotion. They were on fire over the last 15-20 games of the season. I don't think that was every going to be us under GC (who I never particularly rated and am not massively surprised has failed elsewhere) but, the way we were going, we could definitely have sneaked up via the playoffs re; Wycombe.
The point stands though. However realistic our shot at promotion actually was we definitely did have a genuine shot at it and, for whatever reason, chose not to take it. For me the blame for that has always laid largely with whatever was going on behind the scenes rather than Ben Garner. I honestly think Garner was doing the job he was bought into to do - ie. pivot the club towards a different recruitment strategy. OK, I doubt anyone thought it would go quite as badly as it did in the short term but I don't think he was bought in with the primary aim to consolidate a promotion push at that point. The jury remains very much out on whether this strategy will work or whether BG is the right person to be in charge of it but it was clearly a longer term project of squad turnover and change of approach. There were clearly more obvious 'steady-as-she-goes' continuity options if we'd wanted to take a swing at promotion with the GC approach already in place.
So the question for me will always be 'why did the powers that be decide to change horse midstream like that when we had a viable promotion shot?' No matter what follows I will not forget that this treated paying fans with contempt. But I'm very clear that the owners/upper management are primarly to blame here.
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Post by mangogas15 on Oct 28, 2020 12:20:05 GMT
Yeah we did, in a season where no one wanted to take the top spot, Cov fell into it, Peterborough, Sunderland, Ipswich, Portsmouth and nearly Wycombe bottled it. It was nearly the season where we were going inti lock down in 2nd place with another transfer window, which GC was good at, to strengthen and keep that momentum going. Looking at Wycombe, you have to know your place, but I agree we could well have gone up had he stayed and I have maintained this since last season was ended the way it was. Wycombe picked up their first point last night. Coventry, Rotherham and Wycombe have won 2 out of 23 games and i don't think they have played each other yet. Last season Charlton, Luton and Barnsley showed how difficult it is to go up, interesting that this seems to be where the gap may finally be starting to show. I'm not as positive about the counter-factual as that. I think some other clubs very much turned it around after Christmas. I don't Coventry and Rotherham fell into promotion. They were on fire over the last 15-20 games of the season. I don't think that was every going to be us under GC (who I never particularly rated and am not massively surprised has failed elsewhere) but, the way we were going, we could definitely have sneaked up via the playoffs re; Wycombe.
The point stands though. However realistic our shot at promotion actually was we definitely did have a genuine shot at it and, for whatever reason, chose not to take it. For me the blame for that has always laid largely with whatever was going on behind the scenes rather than Ben Garner. I honestly think Garner was doing the job he was bought into to do - ie. pivot the club towards a different recruitment strategy. OK, I doubt anyone thought it would go quite as badly as it did in the short term but I don't think he was bought in with the primary aim to consolidate a promotion push at that point. The jury remains very much out on whether this strategy will work or whether BG is the right person to be in charge of it but it was clearly a longer term project of squad turnover and change of approach. There were clearly more obvious 'steady-as-she-goes' continuity options if we'd wanted to take a swing at promotion with the GC approach already in place.
So the question for me will always be 'why did the powers that be decide to change horse midstream like that when we had a viable promotion shot?' No matter what follows I will not forget that this treated paying fans with contempt. But I'm very clear that the owners/upper management are primarly to blame here.
Not surprised he failed at Mansfield either, his style is very much one trick pony and if the club is the wrong fit.. He will get his pay off this time. BG has his training ground so let's see how that goes |
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Post by TaiwanGas on Oct 28, 2020 14:19:20 GMT
And let's not forget that GC had steered us to 4th in the table - with a game in hand.
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Post by laughinggas on Oct 28, 2020 15:08:34 GMT
And let's not forget that GC had steered us to 4th in the table - with a game in hand. No chance, keeps getting mentioned in many threads. Or was this sarcasm? |
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Post by Delsy on Oct 28, 2020 16:57:17 GMT
Yeah we did, in a season where no one wanted to take the top spot, Cov fell into it, Peterborough, Sunderland, Ipswich, Portsmouth and nearly Wycombe bottled it. It was nearly the season where we were going inti lock down in 2nd place with another transfer window, which GC was good at, to strengthen and keep that momentum going. Looking at Wycombe, you have to know your place, but I agree we could well have gone up had he stayed and I have maintained this since last season was ended the way it was. Wycombe picked up their first point last night. Coventry, Rotherham and Wycombe have won 2 out of 23 games and i don't think they have played each other yet. Last season Charlton, Luton and Barnsley showed how difficult it is to go up, interesting that this seems to be where the gap may finally be starting to show. I'm not as positive about the counter-factual as that. I think some other clubs very much turned it around after Christmas. I don't Coventry and Rotherham fell into promotion. They were on fire over the last 15-20 games of the season. I don't think that was every going to be us under GC (who I never particularly rated and am not massively surprised has failed elsewhere) but, the way we were going, we could definitely have sneaked up via the playoffs re; Wycombe.
The point stands though. However realistic our shot at promotion actually was we definitely did have a genuine shot at it and, for whatever reason, chose not to take it. For me the blame for that has always laid largely with whatever was going on behind the scenes rather than Ben Garner. I honestly think Garner was doing the job he was bought into to do - ie. pivot the club towards a different recruitment strategy. OK, I doubt anyone thought it would go quite as badly as it did in the short term but I don't think he was bought in with the primary aim to consolidate a promotion push at that point. The jury remains very much out on whether this strategy will work or whether BG is the right person to be in charge of it but it was clearly a longer term project of squad turnover and change of approach. There were clearly more obvious 'steady-as-she-goes' continuity options if we'd wanted to take a swing at promotion with the GC approach already in place.
So the question for me will always be 'why did the powers that be decide to change horse midstream like that when we had a viable promotion shot?' No matter what follows I will not forget that this treated paying fans with contempt. But I'm very clear that the owners/upper management are primarly to blame here.
And that's not the first time that has happened as I would expect you can well remember ! |
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 28, 2020 19:35:03 GMT
So the question for me will always be 'why did the powers that be decide to change horse midstream like that when we had a viable promotion shot?' No matter what follows I will not forget that this treated paying fans with contempt. But I'm very clear that the owners/upper management are primarly to blame here.
I thought Starnes explained it fairly clearly - GC was appointed to save us from relegation and, after he resigned leaving the club 'safe', they felt it was a good time to concentrate on longer-term priorities I suspect that they also thought, as most of us did, that the squad had been 'outperforming', and that it wouldn't last |
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Post by irishrover on Oct 28, 2020 19:48:46 GMT
So the question for me will always be 'why did the powers that be decide to change horse midstream like that when we had a viable promotion shot?' No matter what follows I will not forget that this treated paying fans with contempt. But I'm very clear that the owners/upper management are primarly to blame here.
I thought Starnes explained it fairly clearly - GC was appointed to save us from relegation and, after he resigned leaving the club 'safe', they felt it was a good time to concentrate on longer-term priorities I suspect that they also thought, as most of us did, that the squad had been 'outperforming', and that it wouldn't last The question was a rhetorical one really but actually I've never found that answer very satisfying. After all he resigned - he wasn't sacked. So there must have been some kind of conversation about what was doable after that. As a fan I find it completely unacceptable that they decided to 'punt' on a promotion attempt at that point. Whatever the probability of success it's as close as we have come in 20 years. I find that unacceptable and I regret giving the club any money in the second half of last season because I think it was treating us as patsies during that time. It's something that I've become more, not less, angry about and the future success or failure of the BG project is neither here nor there for me. It was a proper 'what's the bloody point of bothering with any of it anymore?' moment for me. In that moment they treated their fans with contempt - I want my money back..... |
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Post by TaiwanGas on Oct 28, 2020 20:21:04 GMT
I thought Starnes explained it fairly clearly - GC was appointed to save us from relegation and, after he resigned leaving the club 'safe', they felt it was a good time to concentrate on longer-term priorities I suspect that they also thought, as most of us did, that the squad had been 'outperforming', and that it wouldn't last The question was a rhetorical one really but actually I've never found that answer very satisfying. After all he resigned - he wasn't sacked. So there must have been some kind of conversation about what was doable after that. As a fan I find it completely unacceptable that they decided to 'punt' on a promotion attempt at that point. Whatever the probability of success it's as close as we have come in 20 years. I find that unacceptable and I regret giving the club any money in the second half of last season because I think it was treating us as patsies during that time. It's something that I've become more, not less, angry about and the future success or failure of the BG project is neither here nor there for me. It was a proper 'what's the bloody point of bothering with any of it anymore?' moment for me. In that moment they treated their fans with contempt - I want my money back..... Well put Irish. Likewise, I am struggling to move on positively from it. |
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