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Post by warehamgas on Dec 28, 2023 19:29:17 GMT
Regarding fan trust ownership, Portsmouth when they nearly went out of business became a fan owned football club afterwards. Not surprising considering some of the crooks they had owning them over the years. It probably saved the club at the time. I think under the fans owners Pompey got promoted from League 2 to League 1 but then had a few years of being around mid table but never really threatened the top of the table. They realised that under that model they would be unlikely to progress to the Championship so when John Asner came in with an offer of funding that was conditional on his having complete control they had to make a decision. Keep the fans model or disband it and sell it to Asner. It had to go to a fans vote and they had to agree to the fans ownership being wound up and Asner taking over. It was passed and Asner took over. It’s only now that they look likely to make the Championship. UTG! What a fantastic position to be in, allowing the fans to have a say in the destiny of their football club. It's taken Pompey nearly 7 years since the takeover from the trust so no success can be guaranteed as instant. Whether or not a club is trust owned, privately owned by individuals like ours doesn't matter a jot unless you have a solid structure running through the entire set up. We have a chance of getting right under the new ownership, let's hope we can all get behind them and no more snipes from behind the scenes about cancelled Christmas parties or an ex manger who nobody wants to appoint having a pop at our newest manager. It was very unlike Ollie so I wonder who prompted him. Yes, never any guarantees with any model and you’re right about whatever model you choose you need a solid structure in the club. But, from the Pompey pov they felt that they couldn’t generate the finance they would need to challenge at the top of League 1 under the fans owned model. Rightly or wrongly they felt they didn’t have the finances to recruit what they needed. I suppose the expectation at Pompey would be much higher than that at Exeter. Rightly or wrongly. UTG! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2023 19:49:51 GMT
What a fantastic position to be in, allowing the fans to have a say in the destiny of their football club. It's taken Pompey nearly 7 years since the takeover from the trust so no success can be guaranteed as instant. Whether or not a club is trust owned, privately owned by individuals like ours doesn't matter a jot unless you have a solid structure running through the entire set up. We have a chance of getting right under the new ownership, let's hope we can all get behind them and no more snipes from behind the scenes about cancelled Christmas parties or an ex manger who nobody wants to appoint having a pop at our newest manager. It was very unlike Ollie so I wonder who prompted him. Yes, never any guarantees with any model and you’re right about whatever model you choose you need a solid structure in the club. But, from the Pompey pov they felt that they couldn’t generate the finance they would need to challenge at the top of League 1 under the fans owned model. Rightly or wrongly they felt they didn’t have the finances to recruit what they needed. I suppose the expectation at Pompey would be much higher than that at Exeter. Rightly or wrongly. UTG! Which takes me back to one of the points I raised, with Exeter style structure (not ownership) and a Rovers owners level of investment we should and could be challenging in the Championship. Hopefully Matt Taylor will be given time to build it without too many shots across the bows that we have already seen from the Daily Mail mole and Ian Holloway. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 28, 2023 19:57:29 GMT
Yes, never any guarantees with any model and you’re right about whatever model you choose you need a solid structure in the club. But, from the Pompey pov they felt that they couldn’t generate the finance they would need to challenge at the top of League 1 under the fans owned model. Rightly or wrongly they felt they didn’t have the finances to recruit what they needed. I suppose the expectation at Pompey would be much higher than that at Exeter. Rightly or wrongly. UTG! Which takes me back to one of the points I raised, with Exeter style structure (not ownership) and a Rovers owners level of investment we should and could be challenging in the Championship. Hopefully Matt Taylor will be given time to build it without too many shots across the bows that we have already seen from the Daily Mail mole and Ian Holloway. Daily Mail mole = mate of former manager, or maybe a mate of a mate of a former manager? |
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Post by rideintothesun on Dec 28, 2023 20:12:29 GMT
Regarding fan trust ownership, Portsmouth when they nearly went out of business became a fan owned football club afterwards. Not surprising considering some of the crooks they had owning them over the years. It probably saved the club at the time. I think under the fans owners Pompey got promoted from League 2 to League 1 but then had a few years of being around mid table but never really threatened the top of the table. They realised that under that model they would be unlikely to progress to the Championship so when John Asner came in with an offer of funding that was conditional on his having complete control they had to make a decision. Keep the fans model or disband it and sell it to Asner. It had to go to a fans vote and they had to agree to the fans ownership being wound up and Asner taking over. It was passed and Asner took over. It’s only now that they look likely to make the Championship. UTG! I wouldn't necessarily say its likely. Only two defeats all season, and only four points clear of Bolton and six clear of Derby, who both have a game in hand. They also have too many players who are big fishes in the league, but would get quickly found out in the Championship. Ronan Curtis is the obvious example - wouldn't cut it, and presumably this is why no championship clubs have taken a gamble on a player who is now 27. And nothing says 22nd or 23rd-placed finish in the championship as much as Marlon Pack and Joe Morrell as your holding midfielders and Gavin Whyte as your main attacking midfielder. How have they done so well? Are they more than the sum of their parts? |
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 28, 2023 20:43:02 GMT
Yes, never any guarantees with any model and you’re right about whatever model you choose you need a solid structure in the club. But, from the Pompey pov they felt that they couldn’t generate the finance they would need to challenge at the top of League 1 under the fans owned model. Rightly or wrongly they felt they didn’t have the finances to recruit what they needed. I suppose the expectation at Pompey would be much higher than that at Exeter. Rightly or wrongly. UTG! Which takes me back to one of the points I raised, with Exeter style structure (not ownership) and a Rovers owners level of investment we should and could be challenging in the Championship. Hopefully Matt Taylor will be given time to build it without too many shots across the bows that we have already seen from the Daily Mail mole and Ian Holloway.Agree. 👍 UTG! |
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 28, 2023 20:51:35 GMT
Regarding fan trust ownership, Portsmouth when they nearly went out of business became a fan owned football club afterwards. Not surprising considering some of the crooks they had owning them over the years. It probably saved the club at the time. I think under the fans owners Pompey got promoted from League 2 to League 1 but then had a few years of being around mid table but never really threatened the top of the table. They realised that under that model they would be unlikely to progress to the Championship so when John Asner came in with an offer of funding that was conditional on his having complete control they had to make a decision. Keep the fans model or disband it and sell it to Asner. It had to go to a fans vote and they had to agree to the fans ownership being wound up and Asner taking over. It was passed and Asner took over. It’s only now that they look likely to make the Championship. UTG! I wouldn't necessarily say its likely. Only two defeats all season, and only four points clear of Bolton and six clear of Derby, who both have a game in hand. They also have too many players who are big fishes in the league, but would get quickly found out in the Championship. Ronan Curtis is the obvious example - wouldn't cut it, and presumably this is why no championship clubs have taken a gamble on a player who is now 27. And nothing says 22nd or 23rd-placed finish in the championship as much as Marlon Pack and Joe Morrell as your holding midfielders and Gavin Whyte as your main attacking midfielder. How have they done so well? Are they more than the sum of their parts? Of course nothing is decided in December but I’ll stand by ‘likely’. You may be right about being found out in the Championship but that’s an entirely different point isn’t it? Most clubs gaining promotion from League 1 struggle in the league above. (Ipswich being an exception at the moment). Objective number 1 get promotion and then I guess they will recruit again to suit where they are going to play. But as you imply, no guarantees. UTG! |
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Post by rideintothesun on Dec 28, 2023 21:05:45 GMT
I wouldn't necessarily say its likely. Only two defeats all season, and only four points clear of Bolton and six clear of Derby, who both have a game in hand. They also have too many players who are big fishes in the league, but would get quickly found out in the Championship. Ronan Curtis is the obvious example - wouldn't cut it, and presumably this is why no championship clubs have taken a gamble on a player who is now 27. And nothing says 22nd or 23rd-placed finish in the championship as much as Marlon Pack and Joe Morrell as your holding midfielders and Gavin Whyte as your main attacking midfielder. How have they done so well? Are they more than the sum of their parts? Of course nothing is decided in December but I’ll stand by ‘likely’. You may be right about being found out in the Championship but that’s an entirely different point isn’t it? Most clubs gaining promotion from League 1 struggle in the league above. (Ipswich being an exception at the moment). Objective number 1 get promotion and then I guess they will recruit again to suit where they are going to play. But as you imply, no guarantees. UTG! Some sides do go up and surprise people. However, if you want success in that league, the best thing is to build a core in L1, and then add a few players - this is what both Southampton and Leicester did. On the basis of their line-up and performance on Saturday, Portsmouth would need a whole new team. Having said that, the same would apply to Derby. Bolton and Peterborough I think might have just about to stay up and then build up. Pack and Morrell are not good enough for the championship, and Curtis would quickly get found out - big-time Charlie who isn't as good as he thinks he is. I predict they will end up in the play-offs after finishing 4th |
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 28, 2023 22:15:59 GMT
Of course nothing is decided in December but I’ll stand by ‘likely’. You may be right about being found out in the Championship but that’s an entirely different point isn’t it? Most clubs gaining promotion from League 1 struggle in the league above. (Ipswich being an exception at the moment). Objective number 1 get promotion and then I guess they will recruit again to suit where they are going to play. But as you imply, no guarantees. UTG! Some sides do go up and surprise people. However, if you want success in that league, the best thing is to build a core in L1, and then add a few players - this is what both Southampton and Leicester did. On the basis of their line-up and performance on Saturday, Portsmouth would need a whole new team. Having said that, the same would apply to Derby. Bolton and Peterborough I think might have just about to stay up and then build up. Pack and Morrell are not good enough for the championship, and Curtis would quickly get found out - big-time Charlie who isn't as good as he thinks he is. I predict they will end up in the play-offs after finishing 4th Curtis has been released by Pompey. Hasn’t played since a bad injury early this year so he’s not relevant to the argument. ACL I think and he’s now training with AFC Wimbledon, I think. UTG! |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Dec 29, 2023 12:21:34 GMT
Luton are probably the other example of going up and gradually evolving their team to be sustainable in the Championship. Can’t remember them struggling at that level either and they are giving it a right go in the prem. wheter they have enough to stay up remains to be seen but I hope they do
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 29, 2023 18:57:22 GMT
B***** and Holloway, really? We have the right outcome. From what Holloway has said recently (the away kit stuff apart, which I think was a lovely touch) - he has started to come across as an idiot. Takes a long time to build legendary status, but it transpires, not a long time to lose it. |
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Post by syg on Dec 29, 2023 19:09:44 GMT
Holloway said he wouldnt have picked MT in a million years.
Hopefully that's an extra incentive to MT. I'm enjoying his sensible uncontroversial pre and post match interviews and obviously a team that suddenly has a structure and a plan.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 21:34:19 GMT
If Holloway's such a Gashead, he ought to care about the damage done by the last managerial appointment, and not undermine the potential for redemption and renewal following the new manager's. Holloway was great for us before, especially as a player, but he's certainly able to make himself look more like an irrelevant and envious pillock now. He has the perfect job, somewhere, and I hope he gets it, but maybe it's not at BRFC.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Dec 29, 2023 22:11:05 GMT
Holloway said he wouldnt have picked MT in a million years. Hopefully that's an extra incentive to MT. I'm enjoying his sensible uncontroversial pre and post match interviews and obviously a team that suddenly has a structure and a plan. He wouldn’t have been my first choice but he is winning me round by making the best of the players he has at his disposal, keeping things simple, making minimal changes and making us hard to beat. Great start so far, and hope he manages to put firm foundations throughout the club so we can grow our own too. Olly needs to stfu, get behind him and give him time as we all do. Even when we have an inevitable blip in form. Based on what I’ve seen so far has the potential to be a managerial great for us. Better than Olly as a manager for sure |
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Post by bluetornados on Dec 29, 2023 23:42:36 GMT
B***** and Holloway, really? We have the right outcome. From what Holloway has said recently (the away kit stuff apart, which I think was a lovely touch) - he has started to come across as an idiot. Takes a long time to build legendary status, but it transpires, not a long time to lose it.
The Gas legend revealed he was close to re-joining Bristol Rovers in an upstairs role alongside former manager Joey B*****
i2-prod.bristolpost.co.uk/incoming/article8999761.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/0_JS313457237.jpgBristol Rovers legend Ian Holloway has revealed that he nearly re-joined the club to take on an upstairs role alongside former manager Joey B***** before his sacking in October. Holloway, widely known as 'Ollie,' made over 400 appearances for the Gas across three separate stints during his 19-year playing career before taking over in the dugout in 1996, initially on a player-manager basis, until 2001. Although going on to manage at an array of other clubs such as Blackpool, Millwall, QPR and Grimsby Town, the 60-year-old has remained a Rovers icon and is still associated with the football club having most recently featured in the Gas' away kit launch in the summer with the shirt celebrating inclusivity in football, sporting the message 'football brings us all together' in braille. However, speaking to OLBG about all things Bristol Rovers, Holloway revealed: "To be honest, I nearly went in to work with Joey B***** (in an upstairs role). When they sacked him for whatever reason, I wasn't happy. At the end of the day, I'm a Rovers fan and I thought the way he was doing things and the squad he was building was right. I thought he and his staff got the club. "Unfortunately, the club changed. The owner (Wael al-Qadi) sold a big percentage of it and they (the new ownership) saw things differently. I wanted to work with Joey and the job I was in discussions with Rovers over would have suited me down to the ground. "It never happened and the new people came in. If they didn't, I would have probably been in a job and I think Joey would still have been. It's all about relationships." Bristol Live understands that Holloway had been one of many potential candidates of interest to Rovers in the early stages of their managerial search before eventually hiring Matt Taylor following a five-week process. On being linked with the job and Taylor's appointment, the club legend added: "I would have preferred the other role I was going to get (instead of management). I would have let Joey carry on being the manager and I would have overseen things and helped the club get to where I always wanted it to be in the first place. "I don't want to talk about job titles because nothing happened. They wanted to speak to me for two-and-a-half years and absolutely nothing has happened! That's life. Crazy. "The jury is out for me. I didn't want Joey to leave and while that may be a bit personal, because I was going to come in and work with him two days a week, the jury is out. "Good luck to Matt Taylor, and I would never wish anything bad on anyone, but he's not who I would have picked in one million years. "I would have picked myself. I don't think there's anyone better than me for that job. Maybe I'm sounding a little bit big-headed but I can't see how anybody could care more about Bristol Rovers than me. "It breaks my heart that I got Blackpool promoted and not Bristol Rovers." |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2023 11:27:14 GMT
I'm convinced he was primed to release these comments. Very un Ollie like but soon after a leak of false news to the Daily Mail of Matt Taylor cancelling the xmas party there appears to be a mole nibbling from within.
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 30, 2023 12:00:42 GMT
From what Holloway has said recently (the away kit stuff apart, which I think was a lovely touch) - he has started to come across as an idiot. Takes a long time to build legendary status, but it transpires, not a long time to lose it. "Unfortunately, the club changed. The owner (Wael al-Qadi) sold a big percentage of it and they (the new ownership) saw things differently. music to my ears! |
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Post by syg on Dec 30, 2023 14:34:50 GMT
Didn't Holloway say that if QPR played us he would want QPR to win?
Also a comment about bleeding green at Argyle?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 30, 2023 14:41:58 GMT
Didn't Holloway say that if QPR played us he would want QPR to win? Also a comment about bleeding green at Argyle? Yep. And, yep ... Think there was tangerine blood, a blood orange if you will, at some point. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2023 14:59:39 GMT
if QPR played us he would want QPR to win? Also a comment about bleeding green at Argyle? Think there was tangerine blood, a blood orange if you will, at some point. I's all nauseating, whether for us or for others. We need to move on from the like. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 30, 2023 17:04:06 GMT
I'm convinced he was primed to release these comments. Very un Ollie like but soon after a leak of false news to the Daily Mail of Matt Taylor cancelling the xmas party there appears to be a mole nibbling from within. are you suggesting that Wael is not so happy as a junior investor, unable to drive decisions? |
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