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Post by warehamgas on Aug 2, 2020 8:17:47 GMT
Eddie H left AFCB by mutual consent yesterday evening. Escaping the Conference by fingertips to the PL, it’s a story we’ll probably not see again. No doubt some will be happy but nowadays people use the expressions “legend” and “end of an era” too much but both sum up what EH did at Bournemouth. Have a good rest Eddie, you deserve it. UTG!
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Post by lostinspace on Aug 2, 2020 9:19:11 GMT
is he taller than Pantsdown? if so then he won't be going there, as apparently he will not be taking on anyone taller than himself!![rumour has it]
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 2, 2020 10:48:12 GMT
Eddie H left AFCB by mutual consent yesterday evening. Escaping the Conference by fingertips to the PL, it’s a story we’ll probably not see again. No doubt some will be happy but nowadays people use the expressions “legend” and “end of an era” too much but both sum up what EH did at Bournemouth. Have a good rest Eddie, you deserve it. UTG! Strongly touted as a potential England manager a couple of years ago. Football is a fickle business...
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 2, 2020 14:25:26 GMT
Can't see him going to City, maybe Palace if Woy doesn't get a good start next season
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 2, 2020 19:04:28 GMT
Eddie H left AFCB by mutual consent yesterday evening. Escaping the Conference by fingertips to the PL, it’s a story we’ll probably not see again. No doubt some will be happy but nowadays people use the expressions “legend” and “end of an era” too much but both sum up what EH did at Bournemouth. Have a good rest Eddie, you deserve it. UTG! Strongly touted as a potential England manager a couple of years ago. Football is a fickle business... Yes it is, I was never sure how serious it was. Whatever, Southgate getting relegated didn’t seem to harm his chances. Not sure what’s happened will do any harm to his reputation. 5 years in the PL and only looking threatened since Christmas. Bad injuries this year but a solid record over the past 5 years of playing football the right way, signing and improving some young talents, being a great man-manager as shown by most players he’s worked with and what they’ve said. EH will re-emerge at some other club soon but not before a good rest to re-charge his batteries which look as if they’ve been running low since the re-start. Badly let down by Fraser but as ever he rarely complained publicly. He’ll be ok. Next season has just become more important for AFCB! UTG!
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Post by irishrover on Aug 3, 2020 12:02:23 GMT
Strongly touted as a potential England manager a couple of years ago. Football is a fickle business... Yes it is, I was never sure how serious it was. Whatever, Southgate getting relegated didn’t seem to harm his chances. Not sure what’s happened will do any harm to his reputation. 5 years in the PL and only looking threatened since Christmas. Bad injuries this year but a solid record over the past 5 years of playing football the right way, signing and improving some young talents, being a great man-manager as shown by most players he’s worked with and what they’ve said. EH will re-emerge at some other club soon but not before a good rest to re-charge his batteries which look as if they’ve been running low since the re-start. Badly let down by Fraser but as ever he rarely complained publicly. He’ll be ok. Next season has just become more important for AFCB! UTG! Did an absolutely incredible job at Bournemouth but I thought he has looked a broken man since about Christmas. Clearly whatever he was doing was not working anymore and he seemed jaded. There has been suggestions that he's turned down offers from bigger clubs such as Everton. Hard to see him not re-emerging. I wouldn't be writing off that England manager prediction just yet. Big moment for Bournemouth now. They have lots of advantages to think they could stabilise in the Championship quite quickly but that's a huge hole to replace and a critical managerial appointment. The wheels could come off if they get it wrong.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 3, 2020 12:49:26 GMT
Yes irish, a very big season in the Championship. Do they consolidate there or twist and try and regain their PL place. Might do a Swansea and consolidate, hope to keep some important young talent but sell a few and hope to get a play off place. Or they might go all out for a place at the top. The next manager suddenly becomes even more important. I’d have said Hughton would be good but the football would be a bit different. King, Wilson, Ake will all go but Cook, Lewis and Steve may stay as will Smith, Kelly, who looked very good at the end. Big decisions for Ramsdale and Brooks. Since Sunday I’ve been chatting with the people I sit next to at AFCB and we all say similar things. Eddie has surrounded himself with his friends, players and staff and he’s always appeared happy and satisfied with the make up but once it started going wrong there was little PL experience or people who were different to give him an alternative view. Never sure what the other staff brought to the table. It was all Eddie and that must have exhausted him. They were mainly ex players from AFCB which is great but perhaps not what was really needed when push came to shove. He’s been blamed for recruitment but I would say that his recruitment has been pretty good. Ibe and perhaps Solanke apart, those two are always mentioned but there’s not been too many other poor ones. Yet Brooks, Ake, Ramsdale, Wilson, King, Stanislaw, Kelly, Lewis Cook, have all been very good signings with sell on values. Ibe was signed 3 years ago so not really a factor this season. And I’m sure Solanke will be a very good player in the Championship. If the board get it wrong it could be disastrous for AFCB and going back to League 1 / League 2 could be a distinct possibility. UTG!
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Post by Rex on Aug 3, 2020 15:03:17 GMT
Yes it is, I was never sure how serious it was. Whatever, Southgate getting relegated didn’t seem to harm his chances. Not sure what’s happened will do any harm to his reputation. 5 years in the PL and only looking threatened since Christmas. Bad injuries this year but a solid record over the past 5 years of playing football the right way, signing and improving some young talents, being a great man-manager as shown by most players he’s worked with and what they’ve said. EH will re-emerge at some other club soon but not before a good rest to re-charge his batteries which look as if they’ve been running low since the re-start. Badly let down by Fraser but as ever he rarely complained publicly. He’ll be ok. Next season has just become more important for AFCB! UTG! Did an absolutely incredible job at Bournemouth but I thought he has looked a broken man since about Christmas. Clearly whatever he was doing was not working anymore and he seemed jaded. There has been suggestions that he's turned down offers from bigger clubs such as Everton. Hard to see him not re-emerging. I wouldn't be writing off that England manager prediction just yet. Big moment for Bournemouth now. They have lots of advantages to think they could stabilise in the Championship quite quickly but that's a huge hole to replace and a critical managerial appointment. The wheels could come off if they get it wrong. Change Bournemouth for Rovers and Everton for Leeds and that's pretty much what happened here!
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Post by irishrover on Aug 3, 2020 18:09:00 GMT
Yes irish, a very big season in the Championship. Do they consolidate there or twist and try and regain their PL place. Might do a Swansea and consolidate, hope to keep some important young talent but sell a few and hope to get a play off place. Or they might go all out for a place at the top. The next manager suddenly becomes even more important. I’d have said Hughton would be good but the football would be a bit different. King, Wilson, Ake will all go but Cook, Lewis and Steve may stay as will Smith, Kelly, who looked very good at the end. Big decisions for Ramsdale and Brooks. Since Sunday I’ve been chatting with the people I sit next to at AFCB and we all say similar things. Eddie has surrounded himself with his friends, players and staff and he’s always appeared happy and satisfied with the make up but once it started going wrong there was little PL experience or people who were different to give him an alternative view. Never sure what the other staff brought to the table. It was all Eddie and that must have exhausted him. They were mainly ex players from AFCB which is great but perhaps not what was really needed when push came to shove. He’s been blamed for recruitment but I would say that his recruitment has been pretty good. Ibe and perhaps Solanke apart, those two are always mentioned but there’s not been too many other poor ones. Yet Brooks, Ake, Ramsdale, Wilson, King, Stanislaw, Kelly, Lewis Cook, have all been very good signings with sell on values. Ibe was signed 3 years ago so not really a factor this season. And I’m sure Solanke will be a very good player in the Championship. If the board get it wrong it could be disastrous for AFCB and going back to League 1 / League 2 could be a distinct possibility. UTG! I've heard that his public persona is quite different from his professional one and that he actually has a reputation in the game of being extremely tough, quite ruthless and very hard on his players. Most of them respect him for it but the 'nice guy Eddie' for media's benefit is said to be something of an act. Obviously Bournemouth fans must adore him but is that something you ever hear down there? It's not a criticism by the way - just an interesting observation I heard from someone.
I can't really see Bournemouth plunging back down. They do have the backing and on the face of it there appear to be solid foundations there. Howe is clearly a huge loss but you'd think they'd be resilient enough to at least stabilise. We're not talking Huddersfield here who kind of returned to their natural ceiling as a struggling Championship team as soon as they dropped out of the Prem. Bournemouth should have more going for them than that. I'd be more concerned about Watford who always tread the line between smart decision making and self-destruction.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 3, 2020 21:00:55 GMT
Yes irish, a very big season in the Championship. Do they consolidate there or twist and try and regain their PL place. Might do a Swansea and consolidate, hope to keep some important young talent but sell a few and hope to get a play off place. Or they might go all out for a place at the top. The next manager suddenly becomes even more important. I’d have said Hughton would be good but the football would be a bit different. King, Wilson, Ake will all go but Cook, Lewis and Steve may stay as will Smith, Kelly, who looked very good at the end. Big decisions for Ramsdale and Brooks. Since Sunday I’ve been chatting with the people I sit next to at AFCB and we all say similar things. Eddie has surrounded himself with his friends, players and staff and he’s always appeared happy and satisfied with the make up but once it started going wrong there was little PL experience or people who were different to give him an alternative view. Never sure what the other staff brought to the table. It was all Eddie and that must have exhausted him. They were mainly ex players from AFCB which is great but perhaps not what was really needed when push came to shove. He’s been blamed for recruitment but I would say that his recruitment has been pretty good. Ibe and perhaps Solanke apart, those two are always mentioned but there’s not been too many other poor ones. Yet Brooks, Ake, Ramsdale, Wilson, King, Stanislaw, Kelly, Lewis Cook, have all been very good signings with sell on values. Ibe was signed 3 years ago so not really a factor this season. And I’m sure Solanke will be a very good player in the Championship. If the board get it wrong it could be disastrous for AFCB and going back to League 1 / League 2 could be a distinct possibility. UTG! I've heard that his public persona is quite different from his professional one and that he actually has a reputation in the game of being extremely tough, quite ruthless and very hard on his players. Most of them respect him for it but the 'nice guy Eddie' for media's benefit is said to be something of an act. Obviously Bournemouth fans must adore him but is that something you ever hear down there? It's not a criticism by the way - just an interesting observation I heard from someone.
I can't really see Bournemouth plunging back down. They do have the backing and on the face of it there appear to be solid foundations there. Howe is clearly a huge loss but you'd think they'd be resilient enough to at least stabilise. We're not talking Huddersfield here who kind of returned to their natural ceiling as a struggling Championship team as soon as they dropped out of the Prem. Bournemouth should have more going for them than that. I'd be more concerned about Watford who always tread the line between smart decision making and self-destruction.
Your first sentence is correct. A couple of staff I know speak nothing but praise for him but they praise him for those qualities, being brutally honest, completely unemotional when it comes to team selection and very demanding in how players train, how staff prepare and work and what he expects of people. He is a nice man but he is brutally professional when it comes to training and match preparation. I’ve seen him change players before 30 minutes are up if the player wasn’t doing what was expected. But also players who’ve left are usually very complimentary about him and say as a coach he’s amongst the best they’ve worked with. An example of this: in his first 2/3 seasons in the PL Eddie was very loyal (perhaps too loyal) to the players who’s grown up with him. But it really was incredible how at times he would have 8/9 players who’d been in the Championship with him and I can remember matches when there were 6/7 players in the PL who’d been in League 2: Smith, Francis, Cook, Surman, Pugh, Daniels, Arter. They were all Howe’s players and he showed them great loyalty. But they would run over glass for him and he returned that loyalty because they did exactly what he wanted and played exactly how Eddie wanted. To have that number in the PL who were in the League 1 was remarkable but they never looked out of place, they deserved their places. A tough manager which belied his boyish persona. UTG!
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Post by irishrover on Aug 3, 2020 22:11:14 GMT
I've heard that his public persona is quite different from his professional one and that he actually has a reputation in the game of being extremely tough, quite ruthless and very hard on his players. Most of them respect him for it but the 'nice guy Eddie' for media's benefit is said to be something of an act. Obviously Bournemouth fans must adore him but is that something you ever hear down there? It's not a criticism by the way - just an interesting observation I heard from someone.
I can't really see Bournemouth plunging back down. They do have the backing and on the face of it there appear to be solid foundations there. Howe is clearly a huge loss but you'd think they'd be resilient enough to at least stabilise. We're not talking Huddersfield here who kind of returned to their natural ceiling as a struggling Championship team as soon as they dropped out of the Prem. Bournemouth should have more going for them than that. I'd be more concerned about Watford who always tread the line between smart decision making and self-destruction.
Your first sentence is correct. A couple of staff I know speak nothing but praise for him but they praise him for those qualities, being brutally honest, completely unemotional when it comes to team selection and very demanding in how players train, how staff prepare and work and what he expects of people. He is a nice man but he is brutally professional when it comes to training and match preparation. I’ve seen him change players before 30 minutes are up if the player wasn’t doing what was expected. But also players who’ve left are usually very complimentary about him and say as a coach he’s amongst the best they’ve worked with. An example of this: in his first 2/3 seasons in the PL Eddie was very loyal (perhaps too loyal) to the players who’s grown up with him. But it really was incredible how at times he would have 8/9 players who’d been in the Championship with him and I can remember matches when there were 6/7 players in the PL who’d been in League 2: Smith, Francis, Cook, Surman, Pugh, Daniels, Arter. They were all Howe’s players and he showed them great loyalty. But they would run over glass for him and he returned that loyalty because they did exactly what he wanted and played exactly how Eddie wanted. To have that number in the PL who were in the League 1 was remarkable but they never looked out of place, they deserved their places. A tough manager which belied his boyish persona. UTG! Yes - I always thought that was remarkable. Someone like Simon Francis who was basically a lower league journeyman being able to rack up nearly 200 Premier League appearance. Incredible and it really does show that football is a team game. Get the blend, motivation and tactics right and players can achieve remarkable things. This is why I think Eddie Howe is a special case - there is something Cloughesque about what he achieved. The capacity to maximise the talent from his players. Now the question is can it be replicated? In that sense he strikes me as quite an old school total control manager. Do you get that freedom at a bigger club? Do you get the time to build that culture at a place where you're not already a legendary figure? etc. This is why his next step will be interesting and why I don't think the rumours that he might go abroad are right. They don't do things that way outside England really.
I think Bournemoth's achievements have been a bit taken for granted and only now they've been relegated will people look back in hindsight and realise quite how remarkable their rise and sustained performances in the Premier League actually were.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 4, 2020 9:06:16 GMT
Your first sentence is correct. A couple of staff I know speak nothing but praise for him but they praise him for those qualities, being brutally honest, completely unemotional when it comes to team selection and very demanding in how players train, how staff prepare and work and what he expects of people. He is a nice man but he is brutally professional when it comes to training and match preparation. I’ve seen him change players before 30 minutes are up if the player wasn’t doing what was expected. But also players who’ve left are usually very complimentary about him and say as a coach he’s amongst the best they’ve worked with. An example of this: in his first 2/3 seasons in the PL Eddie was very loyal (perhaps too loyal) to the players who’s grown up with him. But it really was incredible how at times he would have 8/9 players who’d been in the Championship with him and I can remember matches when there were 6/7 players in the PL who’d been in League 2: Smith, Francis, Cook, Surman, Pugh, Daniels, Arter. They were all Howe’s players and he showed them great loyalty. But they would run over glass for him and he returned that loyalty because they did exactly what he wanted and played exactly how Eddie wanted. To have that number in the PL who were in the League 1 was remarkable but they never looked out of place, they deserved their places. A tough manager which belied his boyish persona. UTG! Yes - I always thought that was remarkable. Someone like Simon Francis who was basically a lower league journeyman being able to rack up nearly 200 Premier League appearance. Incredible and it really does show that football is a team game. Get the blend, motivation and tactics right and players can achieve remarkable things. This is why I think Eddie Howe is a special case - there is something Cloughesque about what he achieved. The capacity to maximise the talent from his players. Now the question is can it be replicated? In that sense he strikes me as quite an old school total control manager. Do you get that freedom at a bigger club? Do you get the time to build that culture at a place where you're not already a legendary figure? etc. This is why his next step will be interesting and why I don't think the rumours that he might go abroad are right. They don't do things that way outside England really.
I think Bournemoth's achievements have been a bit taken for granted and only now they've been relegated will people look back in hindsight and realise quite how remarkable their rise and sustained performances in the Premier League actually were.
The point about being loyal to past players has always been really noticeable to me. That was happening from about 2015 to early 2018 and I took notice because on a League 1 scale that was exactly the same thing that was happening at Rovers at the same time. I think it was early 2017 just before MT upped sticks, we played Swindon and Northampton in successive home games and of the starting 11, 9 were players who’d been Conference regulars. Two divisions difference but they still played both opponents off the park, 1-0 and 5-1 (or was it 4-1). Albeit leagues apart their were several similarities in how EH and DC approached things, loyalty foremost. I think EH was able to maintain a more detached view of what he did, obviously more money and better players whilst DC allowed his frustrations to take his focus away and of course not having the money to replace tried, tested and reliable players. But you’re correct about EH wanting total control, at AFCB he had it and he had been able to build the culture. Wherever he goes the expectation will be “produce your AFCB football by the end of the season”, he will not get the time nor the control. Certainly not at a bigger club and probably not at a smaller club either. But he will know that because he’s no fool. One of the things we’ve been saying here is what will be Howe’s legacy for AFCBs time in the PL. And we’re not sure there is much of one. They’ve had opportunities to start a new ground but stepped back from doing that, the training ground is good but unchanged since Championship days. And my friends who are true AFCB fans fear that apart from the players and the memories there’s not a huge legacy. Crowds haven’t grown because they weren’t able to so although a fairly young fan base it could all evaporate if it doesn’t go well. So their is a sense that Eddie was getting a bit frustrated at AFCB staying “little Bournemouth”. But like all things at the end of an era people are looking for big answers when perhaps he’d just had enough and now seemed the right point to move on whilst his stock is still very high. (My opinion!) UTG!
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Post by irishrover on Aug 4, 2020 12:29:09 GMT
Yes - I always thought that was remarkable. Someone like Simon Francis who was basically a lower league journeyman being able to rack up nearly 200 Premier League appearance. Incredible and it really does show that football is a team game. Get the blend, motivation and tactics right and players can achieve remarkable things. This is why I think Eddie Howe is a special case - there is something Cloughesque about what he achieved. The capacity to maximise the talent from his players. Now the question is can it be replicated? In that sense he strikes me as quite an old school total control manager. Do you get that freedom at a bigger club? Do you get the time to build that culture at a place where you're not already a legendary figure? etc. This is why his next step will be interesting and why I don't think the rumours that he might go abroad are right. They don't do things that way outside England really.
I think Bournemoth's achievements have been a bit taken for granted and only now they've been relegated will people look back in hindsight and realise quite how remarkable their rise and sustained performances in the Premier League actually were.
The point about being loyal to past players has always been really noticeable to me. That was happening from about 2015 to early 2018 and I took notice because on a League 1 scale that was exactly the same thing that was happening at Rovers at the same time. I think it was early 2017 just before MT upped sticks, we played Swindon and Northampton in successive home games and of the starting 11, 9 were players who’d been Conference regulars. Two divisions difference but they still played both opponents off the park, 1-0 and 5-1 (or was it 4-1). Albeit leagues apart their were several similarities in how EH and DC approached things, loyalty foremost. I think EH was able to maintain a more detached view of what he did, obviously more money and better players whilst DC allowed his frustrations to take his focus away and of course not having the money to replace tried, tested and reliable players. But you’re correct about EH wanting total control, at AFCB he had it and he had been able to build the culture. Wherever he goes the expectation will be “produce your AFCB football by the end of the season”, he will not get the time nor the control. Certainly not at a bigger club and probably not at a smaller club either. But he will know that because he’s no fool. One of the things we’ve been saying here is what will be Howe’s legacy for AFCBs time in the PL. And we’re not sure there is much of one. They’ve had opportunities to start a new ground but stepped back from doing that, the training ground is good but unchanged since Championship days. And my friends who are true AFCB fans fear that apart from the players and the memories there’s not a huge legacy. Crowds haven’t grown because they weren’t able to so although a fairly young fan base it could all evaporate if it doesn’t go well. So their is a sense that Eddie was getting a bit frustrated at AFCB staying “little Bournemouth”. But like all things at the end of an era people are looking for big answers when perhaps he’d just had enough and now seemed the right point to move on whilst his stock is still very high. (My opinion!) UTG! I mean do Bournemouth need a much bigger ground? How much bigger crowds could they potentially get? I can see how they might want to improve it etc but surely they wouldn't drag in much more than 15,000. Or am I wrong?
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 4, 2020 15:26:40 GMT
In the end irish, I suppose it’s what you gamble for. They’ve kept STs limited so that there were some POTD tickets available. Once they’d given the away allocation they were left with very little room for manoeuvre. I think, (I may be wrong) they limited STs to 7,500, about 1200 away supporters leaving about 2000 POTD. It has been hard to get tickets later in the week. I’m pretty sure the capacity was 11,600 but their reported attendances were around 10,600. I think the capacity might have gone down because in the PL they had to improve media facilities, disabled facilities and other stuff which took space away from the fans. The ground was always full with a few empty seats but not many. At one time a few years back the exit arrangements were changed for a trial and rumour was they were thinking of filling in the corners to make it a completely wrap around stadium but nothing came of it. But to answer your question yes I think they could get 15,000, certainly in the PL, perhaps not in League 1. Championship is a bit of a middle ground, for AFCB it’s still higher than they’ve been used to historically but lower than many have come to expect over the past 5 years. Pretty young fan base with increasing number of families so yes they should have gone for it. Being in the PL was their chance to really grow their fan base, it’s everyone’s chance really, and we’re not sure that they grasped that opportunity. Next season will still be 10,000 if they’re doing well, perhaps 8/9k if not. Struggle and the gates will drop, like any club. Back on League 1 it will revert to 5/6000. Way before your time when I first went to Dean Court as a gashead in the Ted Macdougall days of early 70s they got 10,000 in division 3 and they were the fashionable team. When all the stars went in 73/74 and they got relegated the crowds went down and have never really recovered, until the Championship Yeats onwards. Bournemouth, a fashionable place with lots of alternatives to do, yet getting to the PL was their golden ticket. UTG!
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 5, 2020 9:26:05 GMT
In the end irish, I suppose it’s what you gamble for. They’ve kept STs limited so that there were some POTD tickets available. Once they’d given the away allocation they were left with very little room for manoeuvre. I think, (I may be wrong) they limited STs to 7,500, about 1200 away supporters leaving about 2000 POTD. It has been hard to get tickets later in the week. I’m pretty sure the capacity was 11,600 but their reported attendances were around 10,600. I think the capacity might have gone down because in the PL they had to improve media facilities, disabled facilities and other stuff which took space away from the fans. The ground was always full with a few empty seats but not many. At one time a few years back the exit arrangements were changed for a trial and rumour was they were thinking of filling in the corners to make it a completely wrap around stadium but nothing came of it. But to answer your question yes I think they could get 15,000, certainly in the PL, perhaps not in League 1. Championship is a bit of a middle ground, for AFCB it’s still higher than they’ve been used to historically but lower than many have come to expect over the past 5 years. Pretty young fan base with increasing number of families so yes they should have gone for it. Being in the PL was their chance to really grow their fan base, it’s everyone’s chance really, and we’re not sure that they grasped that opportunity. Next season will still be 10,000 if they’re doing well, perhaps 8/9k if not. Struggle and the gates will drop, like any club. Back on League 1 it will revert to 5/6000. Way before your time when I first went to Dean Court as a gashead in the Ted Macdougall days of early 70s they got 10,000 in division 3 and they were the fashionable team. When all the stars went in 73/74 and they got relegated the crowds went down and have never really recovered, until the Championship Yeats onwards. Bournemouth, a fashionable place with lots of alternatives to do, yet getting to the PL was their golden ticket. UTG! Fun fact. Bournemouth have spent more time in the third tier of English football than any other Club (70). Other Clubs tier 1 Everton (118, just 4 seasons on tier 2) tier 2 Barnsley (77, though strangely only 1 season in tier 1) tier 4 Rochdale (48, never played non-league or tier 2) I do like a stat.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 5, 2020 9:42:04 GMT
Too much time epping!😉 But it is a great stat and shows just what a remarkable story AFCB was. 5 years in the PL and never in serious relegation problems until Christmas onwards this year. I’m not a fan but I love a good story and this has been a great story. UTG!
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Post by irishrover on Aug 5, 2020 12:11:14 GMT
In the end irish, I suppose it’s what you gamble for. They’ve kept STs limited so that there were some POTD tickets available. Once they’d given the away allocation they were left with very little room for manoeuvre. I think, (I may be wrong) they limited STs to 7,500, about 1200 away supporters leaving about 2000 POTD. It has been hard to get tickets later in the week. I’m pretty sure the capacity was 11,600 but their reported attendances were around 10,600. I think the capacity might have gone down because in the PL they had to improve media facilities, disabled facilities and other stuff which took space away from the fans. The ground was always full with a few empty seats but not many. At one time a few years back the exit arrangements were changed for a trial and rumour was they were thinking of filling in the corners to make it a completely wrap around stadium but nothing came of it. But to answer your question yes I think they could get 15,000, certainly in the PL, perhaps not in League 1. Championship is a bit of a middle ground, for AFCB it’s still higher than they’ve been used to historically but lower than many have come to expect over the past 5 years. Pretty young fan base with increasing number of families so yes they should have gone for it. Being in the PL was their chance to really grow their fan base, it’s everyone’s chance really, and we’re not sure that they grasped that opportunity. Next season will still be 10,000 if they’re doing well, perhaps 8/9k if not. Struggle and the gates will drop, like any club. Back on League 1 it will revert to 5/6000. Way before your time when I first went to Dean Court as a gashead in the Ted Macdougall days of early 70s they got 10,000 in division 3 and they were the fashionable team. When all the stars went in 73/74 and they got relegated the crowds went down and have never really recovered, until the Championship Yeats onwards. Bournemouth, a fashionable place with lots of alternatives to do, yet getting to the PL was their golden ticket. UTG! Fun fact. Bournemouth have spent more time in the third tier of English football than any other Club (70). Other Clubs tier 1 Everton (118, just 4 seasons on tier 2) tier 2 Barnsley (77, though strangely only 1 season in tier 1) tier 4 Rochdale (48, never played non-league or tier 2) I do like a stat. Where do we feature in that out of interest? Can't be far off.
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Post by tenniscourtgas on Aug 5, 2020 20:19:19 GMT
It is clear that Eddie Howe and Bournemouth have been one of the most incredible stories in football history, one I have been jealous of! Although I believe they have benefited from some substantial investment, they have been the most unlikely members of the elite, and I am not sure if they had a definite plan to achieve what they have actually achieved, Wareham would have much more idea than me, For so, long they were the epitome of a typical Div 111/League1 side, seemingly unlikely to even reach the Championship/old Div 11 level, for most of their existence. Like many other Rovers fans, they have been one of the grounds I have most visited over the years, in the main with few victories,. A team with similar expectations of success as clubs such as Shrewsbury or Walsall, or Southend, although the latter three have had their moments in the last thirty or forty years. I first went to the old Dean Court in the 60s, when Eastville was still a huge ground, and Bournemouth’s was unimpressive, similar to Roots Hall, but certainly very tidy now. It has been a fantastic achievement to remain in the Premier League for several seasons, not just be a one season wonder, or visit fleetingly like some other clubs, although you always expected that it wouldn’t last for long. It will be interesting to see if Sheffield United or Brighton can maintain their momentum, or whether they will inevitably sink, although Sheffield United have much more tradition as a top division club, plus a large fan base. Again, Wilder’s management has been such a major factor, and whenever I have seen snatches of their matches, it is always noticeable to notice the names of players who have featured against Rovers teams in the recent past. Will be interesting to see how many fans Bournemouth will attract back in the Championship,even though it is anyone’s guess when any capacity is going to be tested next season, or even the season after that. Reading’s crowds have slumped noticeably since their days in the sun, but Huddersfield seem to have maintained decent crowds, despite only having one season with the elite. Once there is a fire sale of best players, hopes and expectations often nose dive. The new manager will have a different task to rebuild the side, maybe Bournemouth have the type of fan base that wouldn’t heap the pressure on him, as wouldn’t be the case with other relegated clubs. They are certainly the example to follow for all EFL clubs, that the impossible can still happen, but how long can it be sustained?
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 6, 2020 8:33:16 GMT
Fun fact. Bournemouth have spent more time in the third tier of English football than any other Club (70). Other Clubs tier 1 Everton (118, just 4 seasons on tier 2) tier 2 Barnsley (77, though strangely only 1 season in tier 1) tier 4 Rochdale (48, never played non-league or tier 2) I do like a stat. Where do we feature in that out of interest? Can't be far off. Bristol Rovers record: Tier 1: 0 (obviously) Tier 2: 20 (yup, just 20. May 8th 1993 was the last game. 27 years ago and counting) Tier 3: 62 (includes Div 3s) Tier 4: 8 (when we were relegated it ended the longest "mediocrity record" - being the only Club in England never having played in either the 1st or 4th tier. Tier 5: 1 (yeah, but it was fun) If you're bored... www.myfootballfacts.com/england_footy/football-league/club-league-history-summary-1888-89-to-2018-19/ is a goldmine...
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Aug 13, 2020 21:31:36 GMT
League Two side Southend United have named Weymouth boss Mark Molesley as their new manager on a three-year deal.
The former Bournemouth and Aldershot midfielder, 39, has taken Weymouth to the National League after two promotions in two seasons.
Molesley had also been the assistant boss of Bournemouth Under-23s since he ended his playing career.
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