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Post by warehamgas on Aug 13, 2020 22:08:24 GMT
Saw Weymouth to two successive promotions. Weymouth used to be a true non-league giant but had fallen on hard times but they’re fighting back and will now be at the top table, non-league wise. It’s a good place to watch non league football, when you can!
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 14, 2020 7:18:46 GMT
Where do we feature in that out of interest? Can't be far off. Bristol Rovers record: Tier 1: 0 (obviously) Tier 2: 20 (yup, just 20. May 8th 1993 was the last game. 27 years ago and counting) Tier 3: 62 (includes Div 3s) Tier 4: 8 (when we were relegated it ended the longest "mediocrity record" - being the only Club in England never having played in either the 1st or 4th tier. Tier 5: 1 (yeah, but it was fun) If you're bored... www.myfootballfacts.com/england_footy/football-league/club-league-history-summary-1888-89-to-2018-19/ is a goldmine... Eppic Epping |
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 14, 2020 8:28:07 GMT
League Two side Southend United have named Weymouth boss Mark Molesley as their new manager on a three-year deal. The former Bournemouth and Aldershot midfielder, 39, has taken Weymouth to the National League after two promotions in two seasons. Molesley had also been the assistant boss of Bournemouth Under-23s since he ended his playing career. Given the state of Southend's finances... this looks a bit of a strange move. My Shrimping supporting in-laws are not confident of the future. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53769088"The Essex club face a winding-up petition for tax owed to HM Revenue & Customs on 16 September, but hope to settle the debt by moving to a new ground at Fossetts Farm and building 502 homes on the land where Roots Hall is located." Oh - that'll be fine then. Sell your existing ground for development and move to a new one. Piece of piss. They've been trying to move from Roots Hall for the last 20 years! And Weymouth is a significantly more attractive tourist destination. |
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 14, 2020 8:28:46 GMT
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 14, 2020 10:49:28 GMT
League Two side Southend United have named Weymouth boss Mark Molesley as their new manager on a three-year deal. The former Bournemouth and Aldershot midfielder, 39, has taken Weymouth to the National League after two promotions in two seasons. Molesley had also been the assistant boss of Bournemouth Under-23s since he ended his playing career. Given the state of Southend's finances... this looks a bit of a strange move. My Shrimping supporting in-laws are not confident of the future. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53769088"The Essex club face a winding-up petition for tax owed to HM Revenue & Customs on 16 September, but hope to settle the debt by moving to a new ground at Fossetts Farm and building 502 homes on the land where Roots Hall is located." Oh - that'll be fine then. Sell your existing ground for development and move to a new one. Piece of piss. They've been trying to move from Roots Hall for the last 20 years! And Weymouth is a significantly more attractive tourist destination. Yes, when I saw that on the BBC I thought exactly the same, their ground saga has been almost as long as ours. I remember seeing an artists impression, it looked very good but that’s all it’s been, an impression. They’ve also had more “adjourned winding-up” proceedings than we’ve had wins under BG. I always liked Molesley as a player. Wholehearted and not without some ability. I think he had a bad injury just as they started their ascent from Division 4. Has been in the background as AFCB moved up the leagues so he will have seen how EH has done it. Not easy to replicate and as Southend appears to be a bit of a basket cases hope he gets given the time to create something. UTG! |
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 14, 2020 11:01:02 GMT
Given the state of Southend's finances... this looks a bit of a strange move. My Shrimping supporting in-laws are not confident of the future. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53769088"The Essex club face a winding-up petition for tax owed to HM Revenue & Customs on 16 September, but hope to settle the debt by moving to a new ground at Fossetts Farm and building 502 homes on the land where Roots Hall is located." Oh - that'll be fine then. Sell your existing ground for development and move to a new one. Piece of piss. They've been trying to move from Roots Hall for the last 20 years! And Weymouth is a significantly more attractive tourist destination. Yes, when I saw that on the BBC I thought exactly the same, their ground saga has been almost as long as ours. I remember seeing an artists impression, it looked very good but that’s all it’s been, an impression. They’ve also had more “adjourned winding-up” proceedings than we’ve had wins under BG. I always liked Molesley as a player. Wholehearted and not without some ability. I think he had a bad injury just as they started their ascent from Division 4. Has been in the background as AFCB moved up the leagues so he will have seen how EH has done it. Not easy to replicate and as Southend appears to be a bit of a basket cases hope he gets given the time to create something. UTG! Slight tangent... but I'm wondering why the bookies haven't released odds for League 1 and 2. Are they nervous about what teams will actually be competing? eg. Macclesfield recently relegated when Stevenage had actually finished bottom... Wigan might 'miss' a season if they can't find a buyer before August 31st www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53772484Who else is close to entering administration? Oldham, Stevenage, Crawley, Morecambe etc etc... There are no odds available outside the top two divisions. Something's not right. |
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 14, 2020 11:12:28 GMT
No, it is strange that no odds are available. As you say so many variables about who plays in which league still. Considering the EFL are sponsored by SkyBet (still I think) it is very surprising that they are unable to take full advantage of it. All leagues affected by it. League 1/ Championship by Wigan/ Sheffield Wednesday/ Charlton and League 2 by Stevenage and Macclesfield though Macclesfield look to have accepted their punishment.
We were told there would be others who would go into administration and that hasn’t happened yet but there’s still time I guess. Rochdale, Macclesfield, Morecambe would be the ones I worry about.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2020 16:22:49 GMT
Your first sentence is correct. A couple of staff I know speak nothing but praise for him but they praise him for those qualities, being brutally honest, completely unemotional when it comes to team selection and very demanding in how players train, how staff prepare and work and what he expects of people. He is a nice man but he is brutally professional when it comes to training and match preparation. I’ve seen him change players before 30 minutes are up if the player wasn’t doing what was expected. But also players who’ve left are usually very complimentary about him and say as a coach he’s amongst the best they’ve worked with. An example of this: in his first 2/3 seasons in the PL Eddie was very loyal (perhaps too loyal) to the players who’s grown up with him. But it really was incredible how at times he would have 8/9 players who’d been in the Championship with him and I can remember matches when there were 6/7 players in the PL who’d been in League 2: Smith, Francis, Cook, Surman, Pugh, Daniels, Arter. They were all Howe’s players and he showed them great loyalty. But they would run over glass for him and he returned that loyalty because they did exactly what he wanted and played exactly how Eddie wanted. To have that number in the PL who were in the League 1 was remarkable but they never looked out of place, they deserved their places. A tough manager which belied his boyish persona. UTG! Yes - I always thought that was remarkable. Someone like Simon Francis who was basically a lower league journeyman being able to rack up nearly 200 Premier League appearance. Incredible and it really does show that football is a team game. Get the blend, motivation and tactics right and players can achieve remarkable things. This is why I think Eddie Howe is a special case - there is something Cloughesque about what he achieved. The capacity to maximise the talent from his players. Now the question is can it be replicated? In that sense he strikes me as quite an old school total control manager. Do you get that freedom at a bigger club? Do you get the time to build that culture at a place where you're not already a legendary figure? etc. This is why his next step will be interesting and why I don't think the rumours that he might go abroad are right. They don't do things that way outside England really.
I think Bournemoth's achievements have been a bit taken for granted and only now they've been relegated will people look back in hindsight and realise quite how remarkable their rise and sustained performances in the Premier League actually were.
What's remarkable about buying your way into the PL by racking up losses of almost £40m in a single season? Even then they couldn't accept their punishment with good grace, they appealed and got the fine reduced. I would have stuck them somewhere around the 8th ~ 10th tier given them a promotion ban for at least 5 years. That would put a stop to this type of financial cheating. Nothing special about that club at all, just a rich owner who cares nothing for any other club who may try to operate within the rules. |
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 19, 2020 9:27:06 GMT
Yes - I always thought that was remarkable. Someone like Simon Francis who was basically a lower league journeyman being able to rack up nearly 200 Premier League appearance. Incredible and it really does show that football is a team game. Get the blend, motivation and tactics right and players can achieve remarkable things. This is why I think Eddie Howe is a special case - there is something Cloughesque about what he achieved. The capacity to maximise the talent from his players. Now the question is can it be replicated? In that sense he strikes me as quite an old school total control manager. Do you get that freedom at a bigger club? Do you get the time to build that culture at a place where you're not already a legendary figure? etc. This is why his next step will be interesting and why I don't think the rumours that he might go abroad are right. They don't do things that way outside England really.
I think Bournemoth's achievements have been a bit taken for granted and only now they've been relegated will people look back in hindsight and realise quite how remarkable their rise and sustained performances in the Premier League actually were.
Francis now released with Andrew Surman. Surman, who scored at Doncaster’s Belle Vue in November 2005 for AFCB in a 2-5 defeat, the last playing link with current players now broken. You’re right of course irish, it is a great story and one that will be harder to replicate. In the past there was a gap between the PL and the Championship now the biggest gap, imo, seems to be between the Championship and League 1. Last season Barnsley and Luton looked certain to go straight back down again but in the end it was only Charlton who didn’t survive after looking the most likely to. Having survived that first season perhaps they can build on it but I still think they will struggle again although with Sheffield Wednesday on -12 it gives them a greater chance to survive. Perhaps next season the Championship will be like League 1 was this season with Bury and Bolton being adrift. Or Perhaps Wycombe could be the next great story. What they’ve done this season is pretty remarkable and is a great story already, though not probably with most gasheads! UTG! |
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 19, 2020 13:31:46 GMT
Yes - I always thought that was remarkable. Someone like Simon Francis who was basically a lower league journeyman being able to rack up nearly 200 Premier League appearance. Incredible and it really does show that football is a team game. Get the blend, motivation and tactics right and players can achieve remarkable things. This is why I think Eddie Howe is a special case - there is something Cloughesque about what he achieved. The capacity to maximise the talent from his players. Now the question is can it be replicated? In that sense he strikes me as quite an old school total control manager. Do you get that freedom at a bigger club? Do you get the time to build that culture at a place where you're not already a legendary figure? etc. This is why his next step will be interesting and why I don't think the rumours that he might go abroad are right. They don't do things that way outside England really.
I think Bournemoth's achievements have been a bit taken for granted and only now they've been relegated will people look back in hindsight and realise quite how remarkable their rise and sustained performances in the Premier League actually were.
Francis now released with Andrew Surman. Surman, who scored at Doncaster’s Belle Vue in November 2005 for AFCB in a 2-5 defeat, the last playing link with current players now broken. You’re right of course irish, it is a great story and one that will be harder to replicate. In the past there was a gap between the PL and the Championship now the biggest gap, imo, seems to be between the Championship and League 1. Last season Barnsley and Luton looked certain to go straight back down again but in the end it was only Charlton who didn’t survive after looking the most likely to. Having survived that first season perhaps they can build on it but I still think they will struggle again although with Sheffield Wednesday on -12 it gives them a greater chance to survive. Perhaps next season the Championship will be like League 1 was this season with Bury and Bolton being adrift. Or Perhaps Wycombe could be the next great story. What they’ve done this season is pretty remarkable and is a great story already, though not probably with most gasheads! UTG! The most nailed on side for relegation since Yo-Vile! were there a few years before their journey to non-league... |
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 19, 2020 15:06:46 GMT
Epping, do you mean Wycombe or AFCB? 😉
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Post by irishrover on Aug 20, 2020 16:01:16 GMT
Yes - I always thought that was remarkable. Someone like Simon Francis who was basically a lower league journeyman being able to rack up nearly 200 Premier League appearance. Incredible and it really does show that football is a team game. Get the blend, motivation and tactics right and players can achieve remarkable things. This is why I think Eddie Howe is a special case - there is something Cloughesque about what he achieved. The capacity to maximise the talent from his players. Now the question is can it be replicated? In that sense he strikes me as quite an old school total control manager. Do you get that freedom at a bigger club? Do you get the time to build that culture at a place where you're not already a legendary figure? etc. This is why his next step will be interesting and why I don't think the rumours that he might go abroad are right. They don't do things that way outside England really.
I think Bournemoth's achievements have been a bit taken for granted and only now they've been relegated will people look back in hindsight and realise quite how remarkable their rise and sustained performances in the Premier League actually were.
What's remarkable about buying your way into the PL by racking up losses of almost £40m in a single season? Even then they couldn't accept their punishment with good grace, they appealed and got the fine reduced. I would have stuck them somewhere around the 8th ~ 10th tier given them a promotion ban for at least 5 years. That would put a stop to this type of financial cheating. Nothing special about that club at all, just a rich owner who cares nothing for any other club who may try to operate within the rules. Yes there's a lot of truth in that. There's no such thing as a fairytale in modern football. I don't hold any particular candle for Bournemouth although they are hardly unique in this.
However, I still don't think that invalidates what Howe achieved particularly in getting a tune out of a whole series of player at the top level whose careers up to that point had 'lower league journeyman' written all over them.
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 21, 2020 8:23:49 GMT
Epping, do you mean Wycombe or AFCB? 😉 UTG! Cheats FC! as good as 4/5 on to go down. The only thing that might save them is multiple championship Clubs getting big points deductions. 4/5 looks generous. £4 back for every £5 staked... mmm... |
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 21, 2020 12:40:04 GMT
Epping, do you mean Wycombe or AFCB? 😉 UTG! Cheats FC! as good as 4/5 on to go down. The only thing that might save them is multiple championship Clubs getting big points deductions. 4/5 looks generous. £4 back for every £5 staked... mmm... Perhaps but I bet Ainsworth has a few tricks up his sleeve. So likely to go down but I bet they’ll dish out some shocks along the way. UTG! |
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 21, 2020 13:59:54 GMT
Cheats FC! as good as 4/5 on to go down. The only thing that might save them is multiple championship Clubs getting big points deductions. 4/5 looks generous. £4 back for every £5 staked... mmm... Perhaps but I bet Ainsworth has a few tricks up his sleeve. So likely to go down but I bet they’ll dish out some shocks along the way. UTG! Admittedly they had a surprisingly good start last season, but even league 1 managed to suss out their "tactics" ie. the usual subtle blend of gamesmanship and outright cheating. Over their last 12 league games they were only 11th in the form tables. Neighbour of mine is a Poxford fan and was raging about the loss in the play-off final. Said Poxford went gung-ho as they were the superior side, piled forward at 1-1 and were hit on the break which led to a penalty (Joe Jacobson). So - maybe a couple of 'shocks' in the first half dozen games... but they are going down. It wouldn't surprise me if Ainsworth jumps ship whilst he has a chance - his stock is at an all time high and there's only one way to go... Edit: Pox: 76% possession, 13 shots, 5 shots on target, 8 corners Cheats FC: 24% possession, 5 shots, 4 shots on target, 2 corners |
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 21, 2020 17:15:22 GMT
Yes epping the stats were certainly in Oxford’s favour except the only one that matters in the end, goals scored. Oxford were awful in that final and their goal was a cross rather than a shot that the keeper misjudged. I think the final was more that Oxford were so awful that they played into Wycombe’s hands, as many teams do. But yes they had a great first half of the season and were average after Christmas. A very lucky play off place. I remember playing Wycombe in the Checkatrade in our first season back, we won easily and MT was great, his movement was so good they couldn’t handle him. In the play off final MT was useless, he hardly moved. I think he’s sat on a bench for the best three years of his career (or it should have been) and he’s now not such a good player.
Yes, I think Wycombe will go down but their gamesmanship will wind up fans and players of many clubs and I don’t think it will be as clear cut as some think. They will use a well trusted system to play.
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Post by eppinggas on Sept 3, 2020 18:03:24 GMT
Cheats FC! as good as 4/5 on to go down. The only thing that might save them is multiple championship Clubs getting big points deductions. 4/5 looks generous. £4 back for every £5 staked... mmm... Perhaps but I bet Ainsworth has a few tricks up his sleeve. So likely to go down but I bet they’ll dish out some shocks along the way. UTG! At the risk of getting Bamber all cross (again)... the odds on Wycombe being relegated are now generally 4-7 ish. But I still think there will be Clubs breaking financial rules. And there might be more than 3 of them. |
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Post by irishrover on Sept 4, 2020 9:01:50 GMT
Perhaps but I bet Ainsworth has a few tricks up his sleeve. So likely to go down but I bet they’ll dish out some shocks along the way. UTG! At the risk of getting Bamber all cross (again)... the odds on Wycombe being relegated are now generally 4-7 ish. But I still think there will be Clubs breaking financial rules. And there might be more than 3 of them. Well it is the Championship so they all probably are! |
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 4, 2020 12:29:44 GMT
At the risk of getting Bamber all cross (again)... the odds on Wycombe being relegated are now generally 4-7 ish. But I still think there will be Clubs breaking financial rules. And there might be more than 3 of them. Well it is the Championship so they all probably are! Yes, likely to be several and when they are caught they are punished. It’s just that the punishment doesn’t always fit the crime and the EFL has the turning circle of the  and works at a snail’s pace. Charlton fans must be severely jarred off about the timing of the Sheffield Wednesday punishment. Of course Wycombe will likely go down but it is a great story and I rate Ainsworth as a manager and think he squeezes everything out of his players. Not being a betting person I don’t know how the bookies use punishments or when they eventually pay out when punishments or appeals are pending. UTG! edit: That’s very clever. I typed the word and when it appeared it’s in the form of an emoji! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2020 13:26:22 GMT
Perhaps but I bet Ainsworth has a few tricks up his sleeve. So likely to go down but I bet they’ll dish out some shocks along the way. UTG! At the risk of getting Bamber all cross (again)... the odds on Wycombe being relegated are now generally 4-7 ish. But I still think there will be Clubs breaking financial rules. And there might be more than 3 of them. Me, cross, as if. As for Wycombe, losing can become a habit, here's hoping they fall straight back out of the League, exactly where they deserve to be. And also it's worth remembering, where we deserved to be when Higgs was looking at mischievous ways of attempting to retain our League status. For me, that was far worse than being relegated on the pitch. |
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and works at a snail’s pace. Charlton fans must be severely jarred off about the timing of the Sheffield Wednesday punishment. Of course Wycombe will likely go down but it is a great story and I rate Ainsworth as a manager and think he squeezes everything out of his players.