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Post by kingswood Polak on May 19, 2021 10:53:53 GMT
Turn Moss I was thinking of , was a few years ago. I wasnt too far out lol Not geographically or lexically but a million miles in terms of neighbourhood type! Turn Moss is posh. It was like if someone had tried to build a training ground/housing development in St Andrews Park - it was an attempt to strong arm the council into granting Mr Lim prime development land. That's all Salford really is - an attempt by Peter Lim to take advantage of development opportunities in Manchester through his connections with the United people. When you hear about 'Gary Neville's hotel development' etc? It's really about Lim's hotel development. They're just a PR operation for a development company - all that 'Class of 92' stuff is bulls***. Their fans aren’t complaining, we can only dream of having as many promotions and an owner with such spending power. I know nothing of the situation as I only follow Rovers but I do, personally, know a few of the supporters and they are very happy. Regardless of land, housing etc, they are mainly only interested in results and further promotions. I think they will do so too What has happened with FC United or whatever they are called please ?
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 19, 2021 11:01:49 GMT
The training ground is a massive plus for Rovers. Ask any of the property qualified professionals in Bristol who identified the Colony and then bought it on behalf of Rovers opposing massive resistance from Hani Al Qadi who tried everything in the book to stop the acquisition. The answer Hamer, is it any wonder why the family slung him under a bus, he put the club first, look at the crap that the present owner has surrounded himself with now as so called directors, they couldn't open a tin of corned beef with out slashing their wrists. B*****'s trial in three weeks time could well be the final nail in the coffin along with outbreak of another equivalent 6 day war in the middle east that finally persuades the deluded who are funding the club that the long and winding road is a pointless exercise. Nail on the head. I feel very sorry for SH as he was treated as a pariah by many, the club stalwarts know that he was trying to do the best, for the club. I think he is another who deserved much better than a line which said his contact has been terminated, or words to that effect, not even the usuallly obligatory thank him for his service. The club now has a very spiteful side to it and I hate this, we always had the upper moral ground, over the 82 but not now. I got more replies and help from Steve Hamer than I ever had, with anyone employed by Rovers. I think it was an appalling act of vindictiveness and spite but that is just my opinion
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Post by irishrover on May 19, 2021 11:42:07 GMT
Not geographically or lexically but a million miles in terms of neighbourhood type! Turn Moss is posh. It was like if someone had tried to build a training ground/housing development in St Andrews Park - it was an attempt to strong arm the council into granting Mr Lim prime development land. That's all Salford really is - an attempt by Peter Lim to take advantage of development opportunities in Manchester through his connections with the United people. When you hear about 'Gary Neville's hotel development' etc? It's really about Lim's hotel development. They're just a PR operation for a development company - all that 'Class of 92' stuff is bulls***. Their fans aren’t complaining, we can only dream of having as many promotions and an owner with such spending power. I know nothing of the situation as I only follow Rovers but I do, personally, know a few of the supporters and they are very happy. Regardless of land, housing etc, they are mainly only interested in results and further promotions. I think they will do so too What has happened with FC United or whatever they are called please ? They are doing pretty well. Managed to build a stadium from scratch and are well on the way to independent financial status. Will probably return to Conference North after next season which is about the right level for them. Not everyone is in it for the promotions and climbing the ladder. Salford may be popular with their fans (of which there remain not that many) but they are deeply unpopular with the local population and football community in this area because they extract more than they put back in.
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Post by eppinggas on May 19, 2021 12:29:31 GMT
The training ground is a massive plus for Rovers. Ask any of the property qualified professionals in Bristol who identified the Colony and then bought it on behalf of Rovers opposing massive resistance from Hani Al Qadi who tried everything in the book to stop the acquisition. The answer Hamer, is it any wonder why the family slung him under a bus, he put the club first, look at the crap that the present owner has surrounded himself with now as so called directors, they couldn't open a tin of corned beef with out slashing their wrists. B*****'s trial in three weeks time could well be the final nail in the coffin along with outbreak of another equivalent 6 day war in the middle east that finally persuades the deluded who are funding the club that the long and winding road is a pointless exercise. Nail on the head. I feel very sorry for SH as he was treated as a pariah by many, the club stalwarts know that he was trying to do the best, for the club. I think he is another who deserved much better than a line which said his contact has been terminated, or words to that effect, not even the usuallly obligatory thank him for his service. The club now has a very spiteful side to it and I hate this, we always had the upper moral ground, over the 82 but not now. I got more replies and help from Steve Hamer than I ever had, with anyone employed by Rovers. I think it was an appalling act of vindictiveness and spite but that is just my opinion Totally agree with you KP. Steve always responded to inquiries and was very professional. When ITB and the crew at the other place started the name calling (at the behest of whom I wonder?) I thought it was a real low point for the Club. Little did I realise what depths we were to plumb later, installing Mr B***** as manager. Even after Steve left (he still had an active Bristol Rovers email account!) he was very complimentary about Wael Al-Qadi and went out of his way to say how committed he was to the Club. I have nothing personal against Martyn Starnes. But I struggle to see what he brings to the top table. To me it all points to a very weak senior management team.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2021 13:10:45 GMT
Are you suggesting we havent invested in the team?
our wage bill has been pretty reasonable for League one.
I thought one of the gripes of some people were our annual operational losses, the vast majority of which would have been caused by the wage bill.
I guess we could cut that back drastically, and drop even further.
You never know, some people might want to carry WAQ down Glos Road to celebrate breaking even whilst finishing 10th in conference South
JCH apart, where did we bring in players that had the talent and guile, footballing nous, to push us on ? Wael put in place a blueprint that, in layman’s terms, said we will be a club that develops young players and sells them on for profit. Tell me I’m wrong fella We have had a disastrous time ever since, unloaded the players that made up the spine of the team, allowed contacts to run down and made a massive mistake. As for conference, be careful what you wish for. That is the very thing that i worry about most as I have zero confidence in going straight back up & see us in another relegation fight, I say fight but I believe it could be a whimper..again. Please outline a list of proven league one players that we bought in, that had potential to play at the next level. As for wages, any fool can spend money. Do you seriously think we spent wisely and with intent to push on ? I look forward to your reply. Just for clarity, I admire your loyalty and have no axe to grind with you. I just do not understand the backing of a hapless leader. I have no doubt, should we ever meet, face to face, we would be fine. My online persona is that of a person who questions failure. In reality I tend to just have a good time, when on a match day Take care I was picking up your comment that we didn't/haven't invested in the team KP, and particularly since promotion. Sercombe 100k, Nichols 350k, Payne 200k in transfer fees Bennett 600k+ in wages over his contract. Just some examples. To say we haven't invested would be very wrong. Where I would agree is that the recruitment has been poor recently and this season the recruitment was not up to League 1 standard and I think everyone would agree But that is very different than saying we have not invested in the team, that was my point Our playing budget has been pretty reasonable for League one. That much of it was wasted is without question, as some of the players above proves.
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 19, 2021 16:04:08 GMT
JCH apart, where did we bring in players that had the talent and guile, footballing nous, to push us on ? Wael put in place a blueprint that, in layman’s terms, said we will be a club that develops young players and sells them on for profit. Tell me I’m wrong fella We have had a disastrous time ever since, unloaded the players that made up the spine of the team, allowed contacts to run down and made a massive mistake. As for conference, be careful what you wish for. That is the very thing that i worry about most as I have zero confidence in going straight back up & see us in another relegation fight, I say fight but I believe it could be a whimper..again. Please outline a list of proven league one players that we bought in, that had potential to play at the next level. As for wages, any fool can spend money. Do you seriously think we spent wisely and with intent to push on ? I look forward to your reply. Just for clarity, I admire your loyalty and have no axe to grind with you. I just do not understand the backing of a hapless leader. I have no doubt, should we ever meet, face to face, we would be fine. My online persona is that of a person who questions failure. In reality I tend to just have a good time, when on a match day Take care I was picking up your comment that we didn't/haven't invested in the team KP, and particularly since promotion. Sercombe 100k, Nichols 350k, Payne 200k in transfer fees Bennett 600k+ in wages over his contract. Just some examples. To say we haven't invested would be very wrong. Where I would agree is that the recruitment has been poor recently and this season the recruitment was not up to League 1 standard and I think everyone would agree But that is very different than saying we have not invested in the team, that was my point Our playing budget has been pretty reasonable for League one. That much of it was wasted is without question, as some of the players above proves. That’s fair comment. It seems we had a situation where the left hand didn’t know what the right was doing. Personally, I’d like to see Wael be more hands on & not leave it in the hands of people who are not true gas and who maybe don’t have the nous,to sniff out a decent player. Nichols was a poor , panic buy but I can forgive that but Bennett has been a millstone plus the others you have mentioned. For the record, I think Wael is well intentioned but has chosen his advisors badly. I would love to see us use Gary Penrice again but it’s not in my power to get that done. Penny is extremely good at sniffing out a good player. Thanks for the reply
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 19, 2021 16:09:19 GMT
Nail on the head. I feel very sorry for SH as he was treated as a pariah by many, the club stalwarts know that he was trying to do the best, for the club. I think he is another who deserved much better than a line which said his contact has been terminated, or words to that effect, not even the usuallly obligatory thank him for his service. The club now has a very spiteful side to it and I hate this, we always had the upper moral ground, over the 82 but not now. I got more replies and help from Steve Hamer than I ever had, with anyone employed by Rovers. I think it was an appalling act of vindictiveness and spite but that is just my opinion Totally agree with you KP. Steve always responded to inquiries and was very professional. When ITB and the crew at the other place started the name calling (at the behest of whom I wonder?) I thought it was a real low point for the Club. Little did I realise what depths we were to plumb later, installing Mr B***** as manager. Even after Steve left (he still had an active Bristol Rovers email account!) he was very complimentary about Wael Al-Qadi and went out of his way to say how committed he was to the Club. I have nothing personal against Martyn Starnes. But I struggle to see what he brings to the top table. To me it all points to a very weak senior management team. I didn’t know he still remained active. My own feeling is he was a football man and he had unfinished business. Sadly, someone made sure his name was dragged through the mud. I do feel he was very badly treated and abused. Ironic really, given the anti abuse stuff, now.
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Post by swissgas on May 19, 2021 17:31:43 GMT
Think you may be thinking of older stuff here. Was it Moss Side or something similar sounding where the locals were not keen? That was shown in an earlier series. They seem to be restricting their search just to the Salford area now- this was filmed in August ish time. Nope - I'm thinking of the application in Trafford and the application in Chorlton (definitely not Mosside!). Both of which had housing developments attached to them and both of which attracted huge local opposition. In the same time period, Stockport and Rochdale have both opened new training facilities on the south side of Manchester (the more lucrative bit where Salford wanted to put a training groind despite note actually being anywhere near there). Difference was that Salford wanted a housing development and so weren't prepared to go to the cheap land round the outside. Honestly any club complaining that it's difficult to get land to put a training ground on in Greater Manchester is simply comical! Nearly every club in Greater Manchester has found somewhere new to do this in the last decade and most have far less money to play with than Salford do. It sounds as though last August Stockport County did exactly what I think Rovers should have done. Lease a suitable facility in the short term while working with the local council to develop a properly structured plan for the land at Almondsbury which would provide top class facilities for the football club and benefit the local community. "The Club is delighted to announce it has secured a lease for a dedicated First Team training facility. The Championship grade facilities in Carrington contain a large gym, players’ lounge, restaurant, recovery rooms, player briefing rooms, office space and 3 elite training pitches. The Club has signed a 3 year lease with owners, Sale FC Rugby Club and invested in a significant refurbishment programme. The facility provides a vital short-term training solution, with a longer-term ambition to build new facilities in the Borough of Stockport over the next 3-4 years. The Club is currently working closely with Stockport Borough Council to identify possible sites to build a state of the art Community Football Campus that will house the First Team, Academy teams alongside extensive community facilities that will support grassroots football and promote healthy lifestyles."
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Post by irishrover on May 19, 2021 17:55:31 GMT
Nope - I'm thinking of the application in Trafford and the application in Chorlton (definitely not Mosside!). Both of which had housing developments attached to them and both of which attracted huge local opposition. In the same time period, Stockport and Rochdale have both opened new training facilities on the south side of Manchester (the more lucrative bit where Salford wanted to put a training groind despite note actually being anywhere near there). Difference was that Salford wanted a housing development and so weren't prepared to go to the cheap land round the outside. Honestly any club complaining that it's difficult to get land to put a training ground on in Greater Manchester is simply comical! Nearly every club in Greater Manchester has found somewhere new to do this in the last decade and most have far less money to play with than Salford do. It sounds as though last August Stockport County did exactly what I think Rovers should have done. Lease a suitable facility in the short term while working with the local council to develop a properly structured plan for the land at Almondsbury which would provide top class facilities for the football club and benefit the local community. View Attachment"The Club is delighted to announce it has secured a lease for a dedicated First Team training facility. The Championship grade facilities in Carrington contain a large gym, players’ lounge, restaurant, recovery rooms, player briefing rooms, office space and 3 elite training pitches. The Club has signed a 3 year lease with owners, Sale FC Rugby Club and invested in a significant refurbishment programme. The facility provides a vital short-term training solution, with a longer-term ambition to build new facilities in the Borough of Stockport over the next 3-4 years. The Club is currently working closely with Stockport Borough Council to identify possible sites to build a state of the art Community Football Campus that will house the First Team, Academy teams alongside extensive community facilities that will support grassroots football and promote healthy lifestyles." Stockport is a club that has been getting it's act together over the last couple of years after a long period of decline and mismanagement culminated in about half a decade marooned in Conference North. Let's hope we arrest our decline sharper than that.
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