basel
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Post by basel on Apr 15, 2021 20:53:51 GMT
I agree with Gasheads that think we'll have a much better season next time,in 3rd or 4th tier,assuming JB remains Manager.
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vaughan
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Post by vaughan on Apr 15, 2021 21:38:38 GMT
I am hoping that the Training Ground shows some real intent, which will extend quickly to Mem.
5 years is more than enough to devise a strategy for a better ground. Are we staying or going...would help.
Why couldn't Adam Tutton take over from MS as Chief Exec if we make changes this Summer.
I will be very critical if we do not follow the causation of our relegation and remove TW.
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Smithy Gas
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Post by Smithy Gas on Apr 15, 2021 22:18:45 GMT
Just from a different point of view, could this have been in the offing the whole time, or certainly for a while?
At some point before the season Wael waved a piece of paper on Zoom saying the plans have been modernised and these would be published in due course. They never have.
In personal experience, we often use multi part planning strategies to get to an “end game” and this sometimes involves building to implement a permission before going back to the LPA to tweak/amend but in reality you are just applying for what you wanted in the first place.
I know the building isn’t great from an aesthetic perspective but ascertaining permissions on greenbelt land isn’t easy. The additions are relatively easy from a build point of view and path of least resistance in terms of massing.
There is a decent strategy at play as it’s a S73 application rather than full redesign so whether you like the design or not, I would say the club is being advised well by Kendall Kingscott.
As I say, just a thought - could be that Swiss is right and we are fudging it as usual!
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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 15, 2021 22:26:14 GMT
Just from a different point of view, could this have been in the offing the whole time, or certainly for a while? At some point before the season Wael waved a piece of paper on Zoom saying the plans have been modernised and these would be published in due course. They never have. That's the only odd bit for me. It seems such a small ask - or am I missing something?
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womble
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Post by womble on Apr 15, 2021 22:56:08 GMT
Just from a different point of view, could this have been in the offing the whole time, or certainly for a while? At some point before the season Wael waved a piece of paper on Zoom saying the plans have been modernised and these would be published in due course. They never have. In personal experience, we often use multi part planning strategies to get to an “end game” and this sometimes involves building to implement a permission before going back to the LPA to tweak/amend but in reality you are just applying for what you wanted in the first place. I know the building isn’t great from an aesthetic perspective but ascertaining permissions on greenbelt land isn’t easy. The additions are relatively easy from a build point of view and path of least resistance in terms of massing. There is a decent strategy at play as it’s a S73 application rather than full redesign so whether you like the design or not, I would say the club is being advised well by Kendall Kingscott. As I say, just a thought - could be that Swiss is right and we are fudging it as usual! The zoom image showed similarities with the proposed version, but also significant differences. I wonder if it was never published (as you suggest) because changes were in the offing. What surprises me, is that if you intend to modify the design, why was the application not made much earlier in the build process? What we have now is a virtually complete shell, that will have to be substantially altered at extra cost. For what it’s worth, I’ve always favoured the cock up version of history, over the conspiracy version.
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eppinggas
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 16, 2021 8:10:23 GMT
Just from a different point of view, could this have been in the offing the whole time, or certainly for a while? At some point before the season Wael waved a piece of paper on Zoom saying the plans have been modernised and these would be published in due course. They never have. In personal experience, we often use multi part planning strategies to get to an “end game” and this sometimes involves building to implement a permission before going back to the LPA to tweak/amend but in reality you are just applying for what you wanted in the first place. I know the building isn’t great from an aesthetic perspective but ascertaining permissions on greenbelt land isn’t easy. The additions are relatively easy from a build point of view and path of least resistance in terms of massing. There is a decent strategy at play as it’s a S73 application rather than full redesign so whether you like the design or not, I would say the club is being advised well by Kendall Kingscott. As I say, just a thought - could be that Swiss is right and we are fudging it as usual! The zoom image showed similarities with the proposed version, but also significant differences. I wonder if it was never published (as you suggest) because changes were in the offing. What surprises me, is that if you intend to modify the design, why was the application not made much earlier in the build process? What we have now is a virtually complete shell, that will have to be substantially altered at extra cost. For what it’s worth, I’ve always favoured the cock up version of history, over the conspiracy version. Wise words womble. Edit. Over the latter part of the debate wise words from womble, Pop, swiss, axe, AMPG, bloo, concept, KP, o2o2bo2ba, cabbage, basel, Smithy, even Vaughan (eventually). Civilised debate. Apparently easier without...
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Smithy Gas
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Post by Smithy Gas on Apr 16, 2021 10:13:06 GMT
Just from a different point of view, could this have been in the offing the whole time, or certainly for a while? At some point before the season Wael waved a piece of paper on Zoom saying the plans have been modernised and these would be published in due course. They never have. In personal experience, we often use multi part planning strategies to get to an “end game” and this sometimes involves building to implement a permission before going back to the LPA to tweak/amend but in reality you are just applying for what you wanted in the first place. I know the building isn’t great from an aesthetic perspective but ascertaining permissions on greenbelt land isn’t easy. The additions are relatively easy from a build point of view and path of least resistance in terms of massing. There is a decent strategy at play as it’s a S73 application rather than full redesign so whether you like the design or not, I would say the club is being advised well by Kendall Kingscott. As I say, just a thought - could be that Swiss is right and we are fudging it as usual! The zoom image showed similarities with the proposed version, but also significant differences. I wonder if it was never published (as you suggest) because changes were in the offing. What surprises me, is that if you intend to modify the design, why was the application not made much earlier in the build process? What we have now is a virtually complete shell, that will have to be substantially altered at extra cost. For what it’s worth, I’ve always favoured the cock up version of history, over the conspiracy version. I think the main tell will be if the foundations were laid on the sly when the groundworks were taking place. If they’ve just got to do some external walls and trusses then it’s a sunk cost but not so bad. I think I’m with you and cock up is probably right - I suppose at least it was caught before they fitted it out!
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 16, 2021 10:15:37 GMT
The zoom image showed similarities with the proposed version, but also significant differences. I wonder if it was never published (as you suggest) because changes were in the offing. What surprises me, is that if you intend to modify the design, why was the application not made much earlier in the build process? What we have now is a virtually complete shell, that will have to be substantially altered at extra cost. For what it’s worth, I’ve always favoured the cock up version of history, over the conspiracy version. Wise words womble. Edit. Over the latter part of the debate wise words from womble, Pop, swiss, axe, AMPG, bloo, concept, KP, o2o2bo2ba, cabbage, basel, Smithy, even Vaughan (eventually). Civilised debate. Apparently easier without... contradictions syntax is incredibly like a poster I have read on gaschat. So much so that I believe it to be the same person. I have mentioned, before, that Wael has got close to a number of younger fans, the type who live vicariously through the activities of the FC. We do not sensor posts, do not delete nor ban posters who have a differing opinion to the mods and admin and nor do any of us have an agenda. I could see the B***** thread being manipulated by newcomers. I know that, without a doubt, we and gaschat have a number of posters who report topics of interest straight back to either Wael himself or someone that brings his attention to them. Swiss is banned simply for being seen as negative, how pathetic is that ? This forum is a much more balanced place and you never feel you have to pick your words and topics to suit a narrative.
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vaughan
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Post by vaughan on Apr 16, 2021 10:33:44 GMT
The zoom image showed similarities with the proposed version, but also significant differences. I wonder if it was never published (as you suggest) because changes were in the offing. What surprises me, is that if you intend to modify the design, why was the application not made much earlier in the build process? What we have now is a virtually complete shell, that will have to be substantially altered at extra cost. For what it’s worth, I’ve always favoured the cock up version of history, over the conspiracy version. Wise words womble. Edit. Over the latter part of the debate wise words from womble, Pop, swiss, axe, AMPG, bloo, concept, KP, o2o2bo2ba, cabbage, basel, Smithy, even Vaughan (eventually). Civilised debate. Apparently easier without... You don't like Contradiction because he has the temerity to stick up (even in part) for Wael and is not forced into acquiescence. Now he is being labelled a Troll or even a Wael spy. Sorry to disappoint, but Wael could not give a rat's bottom about what goes on here or Gaschat for that matter. Contradiction will be chuckling. There is no hidden agenda. No Fifth Column. He is playing you, but also making salient points. Lighten up. 😂😂😂😂 #boohiss
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 10:39:57 GMT
Wise words womble. Edit. Over the latter part of the debate wise words from womble, Pop, swiss, axe, AMPG, bloo, concept, KP, o2o2bo2ba, cabbage, basel, Smithy, even Vaughan (eventually). Civilised debate. Apparently easier without... contradictions syntax is incredibly like a poster I have read on gaschat. So much so that I believe it to be the same person. I have mentioned, before, that Wael has got close to a number of younger fans, the type who live vicariously through the activities of the FC. We do not sensor posts, do not delete nor ban posters who have a differing opinion to the mods and admin and nor do any of us have an agenda. I could see the B***** thread being manipulated by newcomers. I know that, without a doubt, we and gaschat have a number of posters who report topics of interest straight back to either Wael himself or someone that brings his attention to them. Swiss is banned simply for being seen as negative, how pathetic is that ? This forum is a much more balanced place and you never feel you have to pick your words and topics to suit a narrative. Sorry, a bit of nonsense on a few posts here. Show me an example where I have not been civilised? Ok, I admit I tell Swiss he talks bollox but thats in jest (and a technical term ) and thats because his posts are repetitive and very patronising to many many Gasheads, which i think he knows, and, I believe sometimes disrespectful to the owners. What I am not doing is toeing the Gasheads.Org little clique party line of slagging off all things Rovers. And as a result that doesn't go down very well, I am told to *** off. Civilised debate my a*se. Not possible. You used to have good debate on here, the likes of Oldie and John M, where have they got too, you can understand why they have disappeared. I think its best to leave the little clique to continue their quest for total negativity. Cheers all, lets hope we survive by some miracle (we wont), I'm going to ban myself . Don't cheer too much, but at least some on here can now carry on slagging off whoever or whatever they like without challenge, so best for all as they can carry on until their little hearts are content.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 10:40:13 GMT
It seems strange to change something so drastically when you have only just built it but if Wael has found some more money that he wants to spend for the benefit of the football club then bring it on. By the way whoever said that the Filton Wise facility isn't up to standard then they haven't seen it recently. The problem there was that the deal wasn't what we were led to believe but that's all in the past now and Bristol City jumped in. Swissgas, you have a stalker. Sounds like that may be directed at me Pop?
I don't have a prob with Swiss. I do have a problem having a pop at EVERYTHING connected to the owners or board, irrespective of what it is, and am happy to tell him so.
He dishes it out, so I'm sure he can take it. I dont know him from Adam but I'd happily buy him a pint and tell him what bollox he talks (most of the time)
There are a few things to have a moan about that are legit, like the abysmal onfield performance but building a training ground that we have never ever had? Nope. There is zero credibility in that.
Unfortunately, some people on here are unable to form a balanced view and its become a bit of a comedy show. We know people will moan, boo hiss blah blah blah come what may. I've said before, Wael could write out a cheque for £25m as a gift. And someone would moan that in fact it should be paid by BACS. And others would moan that in fact its not £25m its really £18m for some reason or other. And if the club was run better it wouldnt need it in the first place.
For some its a total one way street, the sheer level of negativity. Christ, why bother if it causes sooo much pain.
The frightening thing must be that for some, if the club ever one day went bust and ceased to exist they must be terrified they would then have nothing to moan about.
Anyway cheerio
Have a word with your buddy Wael and get him to write off the money he's wasted rather than securing it against the stadium, see how many negative comments that generates. As for why do people bother, that would be because they care, the fact that the shambolic way that the club is run generates more comment is on your hero Wael I'm afraid. Why say goodbye when you know you aren't going anywhere?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 10:41:32 GMT
Wise words womble. Edit. Over the latter part of the debate wise words from womble, Pop, swiss, axe, AMPG, bloo, concept, KP, o2o2bo2ba, cabbage, basel, Smithy, even Vaughan (eventually). Civilised debate. Apparently easier without... You don't like Contradiction because he has the temerity to stick up (even in part) for Wael and is not forced into acquiescence. Now he is being labelled a Troll or even a Wael spy. Sorry to disappoint, but Wael could not give a rat's bottom about what goes on here or Gaschat for that matter. Contradiction will be chuckling. There is no hidden agenda. No Fifth Column. He is playing you, but also making salient points. Lighten up. 😂😂😂😂 #boohiss I am indeed chuckling #boohiss
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 10:42:38 GMT
Wise words womble. Edit. Over the latter part of the debate wise words from womble, Pop, swiss, axe, AMPG, bloo, concept, KP, o2o2bo2ba, cabbage, basel, Smithy, even Vaughan (eventually). Civilised debate. Apparently easier without... You don't like Contradiction because he has the temerity to stick up (even in part) for Wael and is not forced into acquiescence. Now he is being labelled a Troll or even a Wael spy. Sorry to disappoint, but Wael could not give a rat's bottom about what goes on here or Gaschat for that matter. Contradiction will be chuckling. There is no hidden agenda. No Fifth Column. He is playing you, but also making salient points. Lighten up. 😂😂😂😂 #boohiss I agree, of course he is playing the forum. He starts a thread and then when he doesn't get the negative response he hoped for he drops a few more attempted fuses which is pathetic. That to me labels him a Troll and if that is acceptable to the majority of users then fine, I have blocked him so that I don't have to partake in his level of immaturity.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 10:47:38 GMT
contradictions syntax is incredibly like a poster I have read on gaschat. So much so that I believe it to be the same person. I have mentioned, before, that Wael has got close to a number of younger fans, the type who live vicariously through the activities of the FC. We do not sensor posts, do not delete nor ban posters who have a differing opinion to the mods and admin and nor do any of us have an agenda. I could see the B***** thread being manipulated by newcomers. I know that, without a doubt, we and gaschat have a number of posters who report topics of interest straight back to either Wael himself or someone that brings his attention to them. Swiss is banned simply for being seen as negative, how pathetic is that ? This forum is a much more balanced place and you never feel you have to pick your words and topics to suit a narrative. Sorry, a bit of nonsense on a few posts here. Show me an example where I have not been civilised? Ok, I admit I tell Swiss he talks bollox but thats in jest (and a technical term ) and thats because his posts are repetitive and very patronising to many many Gasheads, which i think he knows, and, I believe sometimes disrespectful to the owners. What I am not doing is toeing the Gasheads.Org little clique party line of slagging off all things Rovers. And as a result that doesn't go down very well, I am told to *** off. Civilised debate my a*se. Not possible. You used to have good debate on here, the likes of Oldie and John M, where have they got too, you can understand why they have disappeared. I think its best to leave the little clique to continue their quest for total negativity. Cheers all, lets hope we survive by some miracle (we wont), I'm going to ban myself . Don't cheer too much, but at least some on here can now carry on slagging off whoever or whatever they like without challenge, so best for all as they can carry on until their little hearts are content. John dips in and out, has done for years, he's still around, spoke to him just a couple of weeks back, he's up to his neck in his work, but as always, still finding time, somehow, to do Rovers Hospital Radio. Oldie deleted his accounts on both forums at the same time, so anything wrong here at that point in time must have been equally bad on the other place. Do you have a link to that place to your post criticising it for him deleting that account please? Here's a little tip, if you intend to delete your account just do it, not saying I care that much either way, but constantly threatening to and then not doing it just looks like attention seeking.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 13:03:31 GMT
You don't like Contradiction because he has the temerity to stick up (even in part) for Wael and is not forced into acquiescence. Now he is being labelled a Troll or even a Wael spy. Sorry to disappoint, but Wael could not give a rat's bottom about what goes on here or Gaschat for that matter. Contradiction will be chuckling. There is no hidden agenda. No Fifth Column. He is playing you, but also making salient points. Lighten up. 😂😂😂😂 #boohiss I am indeed chuckling #boohiss Stick around. As the forum clique are fond of saying, it's a forum for everyone and every opinion.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 16, 2021 13:59:11 GMT
contradictions syntax is incredibly like a poster I have read on gaschat. So much so that I believe it to be the same person. I have mentioned, before, that Wael has got close to a number of younger fans, the type who live vicariously through the activities of the FC. We do not sensor posts, do not delete nor ban posters who have a differing opinion to the mods and admin and nor do any of us have an agenda. I could see the B***** thread being manipulated by newcomers. I know that, without a doubt, we and gaschat have a number of posters who report topics of interest straight back to either Wael himself or someone that brings his attention to them. Swiss is banned simply for being seen as negative, how pathetic is that ? This forum is a much more balanced place and you never feel you have to pick your words and topics to suit a narrative. Sorry, a bit of nonsense on a few posts here. Show me an example where I have not been civilised? Ok, I admit I tell Swiss he talks bollox but thats in jest (and a technical term ) and thats because his posts are repetitive and very patronising to many many Gasheads, which i think he knows, and, I believe sometimes disrespectful to the owners. What I am not doing is toeing the Gasheads.Org little clique party line of slagging off all things Rovers. And as a result that doesn't go down very well, I am told to *** off. Civilised debate my a*se. Not possible. You used to have good debate on here, the likes of Oldie and John M, where have they got too, you can understand why they have disappeared. I think its best to leave the little clique to continue their quest for total negativity. Cheers all, lets hope we survive by some miracle (we wont), I'm going to ban myself . Don't cheer too much, but at least some on here can now carry on slagging off whoever or whatever they like without challenge, so best for all as they can carry on until their little hearts are content. Not going to apologise but it’s very clear you have come here with intent to cause , attempt to, argument. You obviously do not take onboard the reasoning behind the criticism as most back up with alternatives. I look forward to seeing your post about this, on the other place. Tatty bye
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 16, 2021 14:00:45 GMT
Wise words womble. Edit. Over the latter part of the debate wise words from womble, Pop, swiss, axe, AMPG, bloo, concept, KP, o2o2bo2ba, cabbage, basel, Smithy, even Vaughan (eventually). Civilised debate. Apparently easier without... You don't like Contradiction because he has the temerity to stick up (even in part) for Wael and is not forced into acquiescence. Now he is being labelled a Troll or even a Wael spy. Sorry to disappoint, but Wael could not give a rat's bottom about what goes on here or Gaschat for that matter. Contradiction will be chuckling. There is no hidden agenda. No Fifth Column. He is playing you, but also making salient points. Lighten up. 😂😂😂😂 #boohiss Coming from someone who was nothing short of venomous, towards Wael, I find that both ironic and equally funny
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womble
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Post by womble on Apr 16, 2021 17:52:57 GMT
The story of the evolution of the clubhouse in three pictures. The first is the layout approved in 2001, itself a renewal of the original 1997 permission. The present structure follows this layout (externally) with some changes to the materials and windows/doors arrangement. The second picture is the 'mystery' internal layout, only ever seen on Wael's phone in the virtual fans Q&A session. Apologies for the blurry screenshot. By looking at the original permission and the recent application, I think it contained the following; top left of the tee - offices and toilets, left hand side of the corridor - showers, toilets and changing room, room of unknown use at the end. Top right of the tee - lounge/dining room, right hand side of the corridor, kitchen, storeroom/plant room?, showers & changing room, unknown use room at the end of the corridor. Finally the latest incarnation. The left hand side of the central corridor is pretty similar, with the exception of the two final rooms on either side of the corridor being smaller, because of the need for a connecting passage. The right hand side has an enlarged lounge/teaching area leading to everything on that side being rearranged. This looks like a far more flexible set up and I look forward to its completion.
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Post by The Concept on Apr 16, 2021 18:20:52 GMT
Thanks for the comparison Womble. Yes, it makes the Lounge/Bar much bigger, along with the Kitchen and Pantry space (you have to zoom in to read some wording). It looks to me as though there is a moveable partition for the Lecture Room, which if opened up makes the Lounge/Bar space even bigger. It opens up the possibility for commercial ventures. I'm also hoping that... - The Lecture Space can be used by the Community Trust. Perhaps evenings, or when not used by the players, for the various groups such as: Wellbeing & Health; Disability Groups; Over 60s; Walking Football etc. Maybe even some of the Education classes could be moved there. - The Lounge/Bar can be used as a restaurant facility, in a similar way to golf clubs like Saltford. I think it would be brilliant to have a family Sunday lunch at The Quarters. (bigger windows to look out from the bar though please Mr A-Q! .
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Apr 16, 2021 19:25:20 GMT
Are those double doors leading out to a patio?
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