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Post by Curly Wurly on Feb 27, 2020 21:23:38 GMT
Unless Coughlan told the player?
I don't know if the phone call was made or not, but I would agree that there was nothing untenable about GC keeping his job if he apologised for the outburst. His remarkable record had earned him that.
We could all see that the guy was conflicted from his interview alone, but remember that he had, on more than one occasion wondered what he had to do to please the very vocal minority of fans that continued to criticise him, despite the fantastic on the field record. Family pressure + lack of support from the fan base were the main contributors to GC leaving in my opinion - more so than any action by the board of 2.
He is gone, let it go. It's what happens over the next two years that should be of interest. My point echoes that of the original poster on this thread. Otherwise put as be careful what you wish for. Too many fans decided to moan like hell and vote with their feet because Coughlan's football was suppoesedly boring, but he got results out of a mediocre set of players. I think there is plenty to learn from that for the club moving forward.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 27, 2020 22:53:05 GMT
All I can say is that I have seen it happen. I can’t tell you what happened to it. I have seen it happen on 2 occasions Totally without foundation, but I have a strong suspicion that some of the voices most unhappy with the current off-the-field set up were affected by the removal of this type of 'perk' You are, of course, free to believe as you wish. I can only say what I saw and I repeat, I cannot say it didn’t reach the club but happen it did. EDIT as it was the private and subcontracted stewards, I can’t see how you could make any link to what did or didn’t go on, in previous times. On both occasions, the game had kicked off so the queue was impatient and some were asked for the money. The name of the firm is sovereign security
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Post by toteend3 on Feb 27, 2020 23:43:51 GMT
So, let’s assume this hypothetical situation that the phone call was true and took place. GC is now in Mansfield having learned there’s no way back and rings a player he’s quite close to, one of his senior pros, naturally the gaffer May be closer to some of his first team squad that others. Let’s hypothetically say this player is JCH. Gaffer to JCH - “just calling to say good bye, thanks for your efforts playing for me” JCH - “I’m gutted boss, couldn’t you persuade them to stay, anything you could do, if you really want to stay” Gaffer to JCH - “I tried, I literally begged them, phoned them at 7am and said what a massive mistake I’ve made and I want to but they’re not having it. They see no way back.” A few days later at a game the player isn’t in the matchday squad and gets talking to a fan who is also disappointed at GC leaving and through this hypothetical conversation the fan asks why the Gaffer wanted to go to Mansfield. JCH to fan - “well that’s just it, he didn’t. He thought he did but he changed is mind and at 7am he rang the owners and told them he wanted to stat. Begged them literally for a second chance but they told him the damage was done. But then there is a hypothetical situation of some kind of conspiracy By the owners that this was planned. It’s plastered over a forum. They wanted to dethrone GC, that they wanted a younger buck, because GC was going to cost too much to re-contract and his football was dire and they had no plans to give him any money in the forthcoming transfer window. The fan, knowing this hypothetical conspiracy is likely nonsense and also knows that GC wanted to stay because of a hypothetical conversation he had with JCH, then decides to pass on some or all of that conversation given that GC is no longer our boss, it doesn’t matter and there is no malice on anyone’s part. But the hypothetical negative conspiracy is so much more interesting. So the fan gets a bashing that it’s never possible that it could happen. That he must be being fed by the owner/directors nuggets of information to win a popularity contest. Because also this fan has an agenda which no one can say exactly what it is. So is it possible that any of the hypothetical situation can happen? Or is it just hypothetical impossible nonsense? f me mate That sounds like a poor man's Enid Blyton story "The Five Investigate Conspiracy" Either way it really doesn't matter Or it could Wael be the adventures of Pinocchio - Collodi is an advocate of truth in one way, but in another way he is clearly someone who understands the subtleties of communication and the necessity for pretense, irony and disguise.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 28, 2020 0:15:00 GMT
f me mate That sounds like a poor man's Enid Blyton story "The Five Investigate Conspiracy" Either way it really doesn't matter Or it could Wael be the adventures of Pinocchio - Collodi is an advocate of truth in one way, but in another way he is clearly someone who understands the subtleties of communication and the necessity for pretense, irony and disguise. WOW ! You truly have both shocked and pleasantly surprised me with this nugget of a post. Mr Tote end4, that is a great summary. Although short in quantity, it shows you in a completely different light to what I had presumed or assumed Nice one mucker
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Post by TaiwanGas on Feb 28, 2020 6:16:50 GMT
f me mate That sounds like a poor man's Enid Blyton story "The Five Investigate Conspiracy" Either way it really doesn't matter Or it could Wael be the adventures of Pinocchio - Collodi is an advocate of truth in one way, but in another way he is clearly someone who understands the subtleties of communication and the necessity for pretense, irony and disguise. I used to visit and work near the village of Collodi, the home of Pinocchio for good number of years, not much to see so I wooden advise it.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Feb 28, 2020 7:46:22 GMT
f me mate That sounds like a poor man's Enid Blyton story "The Five Investigate Conspiracy" Either way it really doesn't matter Or it could Wael be the adventures of Pinocchio - Collodi is an advocate of truth in one way, but in another way he is clearly someone who understands the subtleties of communication and the necessity for pretense, irony and disguise. One thing to dash your hopes and plan there old boy is that Wael was not even present at this conversation I had and it wasn’t even on the property of BRFC.
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 28, 2020 8:16:41 GMT
f me mate That sounds like a poor man's Enid Blyton story "The Five Investigate Conspiracy" Either way it really doesn't matter Or it could Wael be the adventures of Pinocchio - Collodi is an advocate of truth in one way, but in another way he is clearly someone who understands the subtleties of communication and the necessity for pretense, irony and disguise. Great post. But. The last time he spoke publicly was before the opening game of the season at Blackpool (August 3rd 2019, 209 days ago), and that fateful comment about the Fruit Market. I would say on balance he didn't come across as "someone who understands the subtleties of communication and the necessity for pretense, irony and disguise".
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Post by toteend3 on Feb 28, 2020 8:38:21 GMT
Or it could Wael be the adventures of Pinocchio - Collodi is an advocate of truth in one way, but in another way he is clearly someone who understands the subtleties of communication and the necessity for pretense, irony and disguise. One thing to dash your hopes and plan there old boy is that Wael was not even present at this conversation I had and it wasn’t even on the property of BRFC. Ahhhhhhh but Pinocchioooooooo is naughty, he breaks well intentioned sincerely made promises, gets into some difficulities through,hastiness, inexperience and misjudgment (sounds familiar?) But not withstanding that,he is goodhearted and in the end becomes a Hero!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 10:20:15 GMT
Or it could Wael be the adventures of Pinocchio - Collodi is an advocate of truth in one way, but in another way he is clearly someone who understands the subtleties of communication and the necessity for pretense, irony and disguise. WOW ! You truly have both shocked and pleasantly surprised me with this nugget of a post. Mr Tote end4, that is a great summary. Although short in quantity, it shows you in a completely different light to what I had presumed or assumed Nice one mucker I would like to congratulate mr Tote end 4 even more on his writing gig with the New Yorker: www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/original-pinocchio-really-says-lying/ampFine work!
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 28, 2020 10:40:35 GMT
Oh dear. Really quite disappointed. One should always credit the true writer or it’s plagiarism. 😢 The one thing this forum will do is always find out if something is true or original.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 10:53:25 GMT
Oh dear. Really quite disappointed. One should always credit the true writer or it’s plagiarism. 😢 The one thing this forum will do is always find out if something is true or original. So you don’t believe Mr Toteend4’s real name is Clancy Martin? :scratcheschin:
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Post by Curly Wurly on Feb 28, 2020 13:34:28 GMT
Totally without foundation, but I have a strong suspicion that some of the voices most unhappy with the current off-the-field set up were affected by the removal of this type of 'perk' You are, of course, free to believe as you wish. I can only say what I saw and I repeat, I cannot say it didn’t reach the club but happen it did. EDIT as it was the private and subcontracted stewards, I can’t see how you could make any link to what did or didn’t go on, in previous times. On both occasions, the game had kicked off so the queue was impatient and some were asked for the money. The name of the firm is sovereign security We may have a misunderstanding here. I was not doubting what you said at all, rather agreeing that this sort of thing has been common at Rovers for many years in the past.
Although the code readers at the turnstiles have been mocked by some on here, at least they are a deterrent to underhand activity of this sort.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 13:42:40 GMT
You are, of course, free to believe as you wish. I can only say what I saw and I repeat, I cannot say it didn’t reach the club but happen it did. EDIT as it was the private and subcontracted stewards, I can’t see how you could make any link to what did or didn’t go on, in previous times. On both occasions, the game had kicked off so the queue was impatient and some were asked for the money. The name of the firm is sovereign security We may have a misunderstanding here. I was not doubting what you said at all, rather agreeing that this sort of thing has been common at Rovers for many years in the past.
Although the code readers at the turnstiles have been mocked by some on here, at least they are a deterrent to underhand activity of this sort.
What underhand activity?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 14:11:07 GMT
We may have a misunderstanding here. I was not doubting what you said at all, rather agreeing that this sort of thing has been common at Rovers for many years in the past.
Although the code readers at the turnstiles have been mocked by some on here, at least they are a deterrent to underhand activity of this sort.
What underhand activity? You think?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 14:13:52 GMT
It looked like a statement of fact to me, so I'm sat here continuously refreshing, waiting for the evidence to be posted.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 28, 2020 14:17:53 GMT
Oh dear. Really quite disappointed. One should always credit the true writer or it’s plagiarism. 😢 The one thing this forum will do is always find out if something is true or original. So you don’t believe Mr Toteend4’s real name is Clancy Martin? :scratcheschin: That’s too much to take, after such unbridled joy came the reality of the cut & paste artiste, formerly known as Chauncey Gardiner, possibly ?. There will be growth in Spring !
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 28, 2020 14:26:08 GMT
You are, of course, free to believe as you wish. I can only say what I saw and I repeat, I cannot say it didn’t reach the club but happen it did. EDIT as it was the private and subcontracted stewards, I can’t see how you could make any link to what did or didn’t go on, in previous times. On both occasions, the game had kicked off so the queue was impatient and some were asked for the money. The name of the firm is sovereign security We may have a misunderstanding here. I was not doubting what you said at all, rather agreeing that this sort of thing has been common at Rovers for many years in the past.
Although the code readers at the turnstiles have been mocked by some on here, at least they are a deterrent to underhand activity of this sort.
That’s cool as I was under the impression you doubted my seeing it. I had heard rumours, that go back to Eastville, of dodgy turnstile operators but I never witnessed it so I can’t comment. I just don’t get why it seems to always be us, who manage to bugger these things up. I think there has been a lot of tolerant people in that respect. If you want an example of how good security can be done at rovers then try to walk the short cut, along the west seats, you shall not pass
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 28, 2020 14:33:29 GMT
You are, of course, free to believe as you wish. I can only say what I saw and I repeat, I cannot say it didn’t reach the club but happen it did. EDIT as it was the private and subcontracted stewards, I can’t see how you could make any link to what did or didn’t go on, in previous times. On both occasions, the game had kicked off so the queue was impatient and some were asked for the money. The name of the firm is sovereign security We may have a misunderstanding here. I was not doubting what you said at all, rather agreeing that this sort of thing has been common at Rovers for many years in the past.
Although the code readers at the turnstiles have been mocked by some on here, at least they are a deterrent to underhand activity of this sort.
Many still pass their ST on, when they CBA to attend but my personal and huge dislike is when Ex services sell their free tickets on. I don’t know if the club still give out free tickets for former combatants but I used to see it a lot and I just couldn’t hold back, when I’d see it
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Post by toteend3 on Feb 28, 2020 15:03:39 GMT
So you don’t believe Mr Toteend4’s real name is Clancy Martin? :scratcheschin: That’s too much to take, after such unbridled joy came the reality of the cut & paste artiste, formerly known as Chauncey Gardiner, possibly ?. There will be growth in Spring ! Damn that wmgas i never liked him!
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Post by Curly Wurly on Feb 28, 2020 15:13:44 GMT
We may have a misunderstanding here. I was not doubting what you said at all, rather agreeing that this sort of thing has been common at Rovers for many years in the past.
Although the code readers at the turnstiles have been mocked by some on here, at least they are a deterrent to underhand activity of this sort.
What underhand activity? What do you think?
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