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Post by toteend3 on Jan 9, 2020 19:14:19 GMT
We have just lost a manager who with a little backing from the Board and the Fans could have gotten us to the Championship - His Crime the football was 'boring'.
We now have a new man at the helm, who has already stated he wants his team to be more pleasing to the eye. Hes already got a couple of new players in and paved the way for at the very least a Totem Pole to replace Nichols. I dont think last nights match has any relevance its a s**te competition where the majority of Gas have rightly boycotted it. Going back to Sundays game, it was a workman like performance, with some promise against a very good Coventry side.
For goodness sake can we stop all this negativity and give the Team and Manager a chance to get back on track!
UTG
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 19:15:46 GMT
dont talk sense ffs
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 9, 2020 19:18:29 GMT
FFS doesn't contain an apostrophe in the middle! Just saying!
Oh btw....nice post.
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Post by basel on Jan 9, 2020 19:23:21 GMT
Obviously Ben has to improve the points rate,but we have to give the man a chance and our support.
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Post by crater on Jan 9, 2020 19:25:34 GMT
In complete agreement... Too many Playstation football managers on here who think they know better and are full of their own self importance...it actually borders on attention seeking. Get behind our manager and support the team. Have a good feeling that BG will do a good job here, given time. Enough with the negativity based solely on the result...we're not world beaters when we win and we're not panel beaters when we lose. There's a bigger picture at play here and I for one think exciting times are ahead.
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 9, 2020 19:31:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 20:27:25 GMT
In complete agreement... Too many Playstation football managers on here who think they know better and are full of their own self importance...it actually borders on attention seeking. Get behind our manager and support the team. Have a good feeling that BG will do a good job here, given time. Enough with the negativity based solely on the result...we're not world beaters when we win and we're not panel beaters when we lose. There's a bigger picture at play here and I for one think exciting times are ahead. What if somebody thinks that the manger is making basic tactical mistakes, explains what those mistakes are and is worried that Garner has turned excellent form into relegation form. Is it OK to discuss this? There isn't a duty to support something if you think it's wrong, in fact, I would say that as supporters of the club, if we genuinely want what's best for Rovers, if we see something and honestly believe it's not being done well, we have a responsibility to mention it.
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Post by syg on Jan 9, 2020 21:03:57 GMT
I'm happy with him, there was all a very strong possibility we were going to slip back a bit. Knows his stuff, talks sense, seems to have a steady head. Whether he can man-manage /motivate are things we have let to learn.
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Post by JeffNZ on Jan 9, 2020 21:04:27 GMT
In complete agreement... Too many Playstation football managers on here who think they know better and are full of their own self importance...it actually borders on attention seeking. Get behind our manager and support the team. Have a good feeling that BG will do a good job here, given time. Enough with the negativity based solely on the result...we're not world beaters when we win and we're not panel beaters when we lose. There's a bigger picture at play here and I for one think exciting times are ahead. What if somebody thinks that the manger is making basic tactical mistakes, explains what those mistakes are and is worried that Garner has turned excellent form into relegation form. Is it OK to discuss this? There isn't a duty to support something if you think it's wrong, in fact, I would say that as supporters of the club, if we genuinely want what's best for Rovers, if we see something and honestly believe it's not being done well, we have a responsibility to mention it. We have just lost a manager who with a little backing from the Board and the Fans could have gotten us to the Championship - His Crime the football was 'boring'. We now have a new man at the helm, who has already stated he wants his team to be more pleasing to the eye. Hes already got a couple of new players in and paved the way for at the very least a Totem Pole to replace Nichols. I dont think last nights match has any relevance its a s***e competition where the majority of Gas have rightly boycotted it. Going back to Sundays game, it was a workman like performance, with some promise against a very good Coventry side. For goodness sake can we stop all this negativity and give the Team and Manager a chance to get back on track! UTG I find myself agreeing with @bambergasgroin and toteend3 even though on the face of it they appear to be opposing views I found the Stevenage game hugely frustrating. Whatever the competition, there is no way we should lose to a team at the ass-end of League Two and any Gashead should have the right to vent about that. Equally, BG is on a massive learning curve as a manager and he has chosen to start that new career at a club in a tough league and one that is hardly renowned for big spending. Gasheads will need to give him time, let's face it we have little choice other than to stop supporting the team. Personally, that will never happen it's in the blood. There is no way we are going to get relegated and promotion was always a pipedream for this season. Hard as it may be to take, mid-table mediocrity will be deemed as success (again) by our owners and a large chunk of Gasheads. It seems a perennial Bristol Rovers statement but let's hope BG will come good and out time will come next season.
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Post by toteend3 on Jan 9, 2020 21:42:23 GMT
In complete agreement... Too many Playstation football managers on here who think they know better and are full of their own self importance...it actually borders on attention seeking. Get behind our manager and support the team. Have a good feeling that BG will do a good job here, given time. Enough with the negativity based solely on the result...we're not world beaters when we win and we're not panel beaters when we lose. There's a bigger picture at play here and I for one think exciting times are ahead. What if somebody thinks that the manger is making basic tactical mistakes, explains what those mistakes are and is worried that Garner has turned excellent form into relegation form. Is it OK to discuss this? There isn't a duty to support something if you think it's wrong, in fact, I would say that as supporters of the club, if we genuinely want what's best for Rovers, if we see something and honestly believe it's not being done well, we have a responsibility to mention it. True - Everyone is entitled to raise valid points for discussion, however 16 days into a new job and already being 'rubbished' to me seems very harsh - Christ if i think the jobs ive taken on in my life and how long its taken to win over doubters and become valued it took months in some cases, certainly not days!
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Post by laughinggas on Jan 9, 2020 21:49:29 GMT
Maybe, just maybe he used Tues as an experiment. Can we play 4 at the back, we tried Mayo and Kilgour there and then Rodman. Showed we have no one who is fit can really play there and Millwall is found wanting for pace. Looked at Bennett, suggest not good enough. Can Victor up front alone, suggest not good enough. Then a look at the two new players, suggest work in progress. Was Kelly under scrutiny as well.
With 4 2 3 1, looks like Upson and Sercs cannot play the 2 together.
Or maybe he had no idea what he was doing.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Jan 9, 2020 22:36:01 GMT
In complete agreement... Too many Playstation football managers on here who think they know better and are full of their own self importance...it actually borders on attention seeking. Get behind our manager and support the team. Have a good feeling that BG will do a good job here, given time. Enough with the negativity based solely on the result...we're not world beaters when we win and we're not panel beaters when we lose. There's a bigger picture at play here and I for one think exciting times are ahead. Hope you are right. Based on the last 6 performances, I don’t share your optimism and am really worried that we are seeing a train crash unfold before our eyes. Getting the 5 wins we need to ensure our L1 status can’t come quick enough now but I just don’t see where they are coming from. Our ability as a club to royally f**k things up gives me no confidence whatsoever that we won’t be relegated. So how long do we give him before we start to panic? Another 10 games - is that fair? Say we have only picked up 2 or 3 more points in that time. That would give us 12 games which we would probably need to win 4 - doable but not if you are a club in a flat tailspin. I do hope I’m wrong but have a horrible feeling that I just can’t shake that I’m not.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Jan 9, 2020 22:48:59 GMT
BG needs a win, or at the very least a performance of note this Saturday, it's only a day's wait to see how things will shape up, so come on Mr Garner make me smile!....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 23:15:13 GMT
What if somebody thinks that the manger is making basic tactical mistakes, explains what those mistakes are and is worried that Garner has turned excellent form into relegation form. Is it OK to discuss this? There isn't a duty to support something if you think it's wrong, in fact, I would say that as supporters of the club, if we genuinely want what's best for Rovers, if we see something and honestly believe it's not being done well, we have a responsibility to mention it. True - Everyone is entitled to raise valid points for discussion, however 16 days into a new job and already being 'rubbished' to me seems very harsh - Christ if i think the jobs ive taken on in my life and how long its taken to win over doubters and become valued it took months in some cases, certainly not days! My honest opinion, this guy is a coach, not a manager. Maybe he can become a manager, but you don't normally learn in L1, not without someone like Lennie holding your hand for a while. Had Garner arrived as an assistant it would make perfect sense, but to bring him from a League, which although I know nothing about it, I doubt is much better than 6th tier UK football at the very best, probably lower, and expect him to do a job in our 3rd tier, it's a ridiculous ask. There aren't any stand out teams in L1 this season, but there are some wise old managers who know every trick in the book. Ref your jobs. Have you ever been recruited from one side of the world to the other and put in charge of a department with a multi-million pound budget, where there are huge consequences for the company and a lot of the staff if you fail in your first year? That's what Rovers have done here. Waiting for comment from Swiss with interest.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Jan 10, 2020 5:14:19 GMT
I'd like to see Striker Kieran Phillips given a break & run out, has done well for the Rovers youngsters, had hoped to see him against Stevenage, alas, no.
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 10, 2020 7:46:29 GMT
I'm with the OP and BG definitely deserves much more time before we can assess him. My nagging suspicion is around who actually hired him. His name was in the frame a year ago - cue a lot of people googling "who the he'll is he". Does Starnes know him? Doesn't look like he is an old acquaintance of Wael. Just curious. There must be 100's of job applications for a managers position (even at BRFC). What made Ben Garner's CV stand out? It's not what you know it's who you know...
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Jan 10, 2020 8:13:35 GMT
Assistant to Pulis wasn't he? Recommended by him last time maybe. I remember seeing him on the box during his time at Palace and WBA. He was being touted then as the next bright star on the horizon. The football world keeps tabs on upcoming talent and he is highly regarded.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 8:27:51 GMT
I'm with the OP and BG definitely deserves much more time before we can assess him. My nagging suspicion is around who actually hired him. His name was in the frame a year ago - cue a lot of people googling "who the he'll is he". Does Starnes know him? Doesn't look like he is an old acquaintance of Wael. Just curious. There must be 100's of job applications for a managers position (even at BRFC). What made Ben Garner's CV stand out? It's not what you know it's who you know... This is the same issue I have with his appointment. His name first came up (to my mind) when DC left and the lad on the other forum who is an amateur scout and suggests players to the club came up with the name “Ben Garner” as our next manager. Everyone is like “who?!?!” as it seemed to be a real hipster “look at my in-depth knowledge of the coaching scene” sorta thing when there are plenty of other names out there with actual experience. Anyway following this random recommendation his name snowballed on that forum so much that he had his own multi-page thread and the Bristol post ran an article on Garner linking him with the job with the info blatantly a copy and paste job from the forum and also some quotes so they had gone out and spoken to the man himself about his name being put forward. The next thing you know bookies are offering odds and he was set to be interviewed even though the job ultimately went to Coughlan. However if you want to read into some Freudian slips it seems Garner has been watching Rovers in the time Coughlan has been managing us and has been scouting players we have been interested in (he has watched that Barrett kid apparently) which sort of suggests that the club have kept in touch following his interview last time round and he might have been lined up to take over long before Coughlan actually left. It just seems really odd to me that his name was first touted on a forum and then after some media work where he was spoken to about the job he is now our manager. I would much rather no-one had ever heard of him and Wael suddenly announces he is the new man than an internet campaign springs up leading to him getting the job. Of course, that could all be coincidence and the groundswell of support on the other forum followed by the Bristol post running with it is entirely unrelated.....I struggle to believe that though. It seems highly odd that he has been given the job at Rovers of all places after all the discussion about him, eg I wonder how many other teams forums have a “Ben Garner In” thread?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 9:58:43 GMT
WMG, that seems far too haphazard and conspiratorial, even for Rovers, surely?
Ben Garner was highly thought of by Rickie Lambert (albeit as a coach). That has to worth something alone. Those who have already dismissed him as unsuitable will hopefully admit they are wrong when it works. I for one am convinced it will. UTG.
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Post by bondigas on Jan 10, 2020 10:49:59 GMT
I think WMG could well be on to something, there is a guy who works in retail serving behind a counter at Cribbs who is a very very close friend of a member of the hierarchy running the club who claims he won £330 backing Garner to become the clubs next manager and doesn't mind telling other members of the supporters club of his winnings.
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