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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 13:28:42 GMT
Regarding the coughlan phone call. Coughlan could only phone wael or starnes begging for his job back. So then starnes/wael blabs to players about the phone call. Its either total rubbish or very shabby from the top management at the club. Also i dont think his position was untenable after ipswich so if he wanted his job back then why not do that? We were 4th having just won at ipswich. Unless Coughlan told the player?
I don't know if the phone call was made or not, but I would agree that there was nothing untenable about GC keeping his job if he apologised for the outburst. His remarkable record had earned him that.
We could all see that the guy was conflicted from his interview alone, but remember that he had, on more than one occasion wondered what he had to do to please the very vocal minority of fans that continued to criticise him, despite the fantastic on the field record. Family pressure + lack of support from the fan base were the main contributors to GC leaving in my opinion - more so than any action by the board of 2.
He is gone, let it go. It's what happens over the next two years that should be of interest.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 27, 2020 14:18:00 GMT
I agree but would add that a fair few would like to know if we can rely upon the debts being continued to be paid/underwritten. How do you underwrite a debt owed to yourself... As I have said earlier and a few times, I have no knowledge of financial affairs other than that of when I had a mortgage. I tend to leave that to posters who have genuine knowledge, some of whom have said that they are waiting to see if Hani Al Qadi will give the nod on guaranteeing to service the debt and that is why I used the slash mark. I like to read the posts made by people who genuinely know their stuff. I know it will all come out in time but, until then, none of us are the wiser and, the longer the silence goes on, the more supporters are becoming suspicious. There was a time when matchdays had no conversation of finances and what if scenario us but I now hear much more of it. I know this is a very simplistic reply and I know there are true and very successful business people here, maybe ask them the same Les and you will get a much clearer and more sensible reply
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 14:42:22 GMT
It's almost as if ITB doesn't have a clue about anything and is just being told stuff by people he wants to believe, so takes it all at face value. Just thinking, apart from the shop staff, who I have a lot of time for, they do a brilliant job, who is left now from when these owners arrived? It was Holts who said 7 years in his text to me yesterday which is why I wrote it. He never was veery good with figures unless he's making out that he's 10 years younger than he is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 14:45:11 GMT
How do you underwrite a debt owed to yourself... As I have said earlier and a few times, I have no knowledge of financial affairs other than that of when I had a mortgage. I tend to leave that to posters who have genuine knowledge, some of whom have said that they are waiting to see if Hani Al Qadi will give the nod on guaranteeing to service the debt and that is why I used the slash mark. I like to read the posts made by people who genuinely know their stuff. I know it will all come out in time but, until then, none of us are the wiser and, the longer the silence goes on, the more supporters are becoming suspicious. There was a time when matchdays had no conversation of finances and what if scenario us but I now hear much more of it. I know this is a very simplistic reply and I know there are true and very successful business people here, maybe ask them the same Les and you will get a much clearer and more sensible reply You know me? Anyway, you cannot underwrite a loan you yourself have made. In reality they have used cash they own, (not sure of the source). What I suspect you mean is will they continue to underwrite the annual cash losses. No of course not, not indefinitely. So what's really interesting is what plan do they have to break even. Whether this or that employee leaves, whether Gorringe organises ice cream or not, who sits where, who heard what said about this that or the other, is just a sideshow. And they don't have to tell us. I wouldn't. But what they do need to do is invest to improve the experience of attending a match at BRFC. Let's be honest they have done a bit of this. It's used to be shockingly bad, now it's just crap.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 27, 2020 14:45:36 GMT
I don’t need a school lesson from you and you’ll see in the context of what I wrote you know exactly what I was talking about. Well if your SC directors and committee took a humility pill and accepted it was all over for him and dropped the stupid legal action and just moved on you could have all the representation you want. Don't be like that, all I was doing was pointing out that you had used a word incorrectly. You are a bit sensitive, aren't you. They aren't my SC, I'm nothing whatsoever to do with them and haven't even been a SC member for years. It sounds like you know more than most about what it is that Ken has allegedly done? At the moment it looks like the SC are the block to representation as the FC have, I think, said that they are happy for somebody to replace Ken. I agree, it's difficult to see how Ken can have a good working relationship at Board level after this, so he should step down so that his successor can be appointed, if he then wants to continue fighting the FC he can do that at his leisure. Looks like we agree on Tom as well, he may be more effective in terms of managing detail if he were to have a lighter work load. I had the pleasure of speaking with Brian SS on several occasions and he made it abundantly clear that the SC were even less welcome that under our previous chairman and so he quit. I don’t know if you know or have ever spoken to BSS but he was always available on match days & I believe to be a sincere & honest man. I don’t think it’s healthy that the owners should tell the SC who they should have representing them but that is my opinion. It looks very clear to me that they want to have the choice of who to speak to and I don’t believe that to be healthy, in any way.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 27, 2020 14:49:34 GMT
As I have said earlier and a few times, I have no knowledge of financial affairs other than that of when I had a mortgage. I tend to leave that to posters who have genuine knowledge, some of whom have said that they are waiting to see if Hani Al Qadi will give the nod on guaranteeing to service the debt and that is why I used the slash mark. I like to read the posts made by people who genuinely know their stuff. I know it will all come out in time but, until then, none of us are the wiser and, the longer the silence goes on, the more supporters are becoming suspicious. There was a time when matchdays had no conversation of finances and what if scenario us but I now hear much more of it. I know this is a very simplistic reply and I know there are true and very successful business people here, maybe ask them the same Les and you will get a much clearer and more sensible reply You know me? Anyway, you cannot underwrite a loan you yourself have made. In reality they have used cash they own, (not sure of the source). What I suspect you mean is will they continue to underwrite the annual cash losses. No of course not, not indefinitely. So what's really interesting is what plan do they have to break even. Whether this or that employee leaves, whether Gorringe organises ice cream or not, who sits where, who heard what said about this that or the other, is just a sideshow. And they don't have to tell us. I wouldn't. But what they do need to do is invest to improve the experience of attending a match at BRFC. Let's be honest they have done a bit of this. It's used to be shockingly bad, now it's just crap. I’ve been made aware of you and was surprised at how close we used to stand, in the west enclosure. I now sit in the SW tent.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 14:50:22 GMT
Don't be like that, all I was doing was pointing out that you had used a word incorrectly. You are a bit sensitive, aren't you. They aren't my SC, I'm nothing whatsoever to do with them and haven't even been a SC member for years. It sounds like you know more than most about what it is that Ken has allegedly done? At the moment it looks like the SC are the block to representation as the FC have, I think, said that they are happy for somebody to replace Ken. I agree, it's difficult to see how Ken can have a good working relationship at Board level after this, so he should step down so that his successor can be appointed, if he then wants to continue fighting the FC he can do that at his leisure. Looks like we agree on Tom as well, he may be more effective in terms of managing detail if he were to have a lighter work load. I had the pleasure of speaking with Brian SS on several occasions and he made it abundantly clear that the SC were even less welcome that under our previous chairman and so he quit. I don’t know if you know or have ever spoken to BSS but he was always available on match days & I believe to be a sincere & honest man. I don’t think it’s healthy that the owners should tell the SC who they should have representing them but that is my opinion. It looks very clear to me that they want to have the choice of who to speak to and I don’t believe that to be healthy, in any way. It's a commercial arrangement and quite standard for shareholders BBC and / boards of directors to reject nominees for the board. They should have rejected a couple in the past.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 14:53:18 GMT
You know me? Anyway, you cannot underwrite a loan you yourself have made. In reality they have used cash they own, (not sure of the source). What I suspect you mean is will they continue to underwrite the annual cash losses. No of course not, not indefinitely. So what's really interesting is what plan do they have to break even. Whether this or that employee leaves, whether Gorringe organises ice cream or not, who sits where, who heard what said about this that or the other, is just a sideshow. And they don't have to tell us. I wouldn't. But what they do need to do is invest to improve the experience of attending a match at BRFC. Let's be honest they have done a bit of this. It's used to be shockingly bad, now it's just crap. I’ve been made aware of you and was surprised at how close we used to stand, in the west enclosure. I now sit in the SW tent. Ah, I see. I bet it was Bambi who made you aware. I can hear it now, "That's....stay clear, he is right w***k**" (Philton can confirm) 😂😂
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 27, 2020 14:54:07 GMT
I had the pleasure of speaking with Brian SS on several occasions and he made it abundantly clear that the SC were even less welcome that under our previous chairman and so he quit. I don’t know if you know or have ever spoken to BSS but he was always available on match days & I believe to be a sincere & honest man. I don’t think it’s healthy that the owners should tell the SC who they should have representing them but that is my opinion. It looks very clear to me that they want to have the choice of who to speak to and I don’t believe that to be healthy, in any way. It's a commercial arrangement and quite standard for shareholders BBC and / boards of directors to reject nominees for the board. They should have rejected a couple in the past. I think I will reserve any comment on Ken’s alleged wrongdoings until it becomes clear as to what this is supposed to be.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 27, 2020 14:55:51 GMT
I’ve been made aware of you and was surprised at how close we used to stand, in the west enclosure. I now sit in the SW tent. Ah, I see. I bet it was Bambi who made you aware. I can hear it now, "That's....stay clear, he is right w***k**" (Philton can confirm) 😂😂 😂👌🏻. No, it was a friend who browses but doesn’t post and he had nothing bad to say about you at all. He was just surprised that I didn’t know you.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Feb 27, 2020 16:07:40 GMT
Regarding the coughlan phone call. Coughlan could only phone wael or starnes begging for his job back. So then starnes/wael blabs to players about the phone call. Its either total rubbish or very shabby from the top management at the club. Also i dont think his position was untenable after ipswich so if he wanted his job back then why not do that? We were 4th having just won at ipswich. Unless Coughlan told the player?
I don't know if the phone call was made or not, but I would agree that there was nothing untenable about GC keeping his job if he apologised for the outburst. His remarkable record had earned him that.
We could all see that the guy was conflicted from his interview alone, but remember that he had, on more than one occasion wondered what he had to do to please the very vocal minority of fans that continued to criticise him, despite the fantastic on the field record. Family pressure + lack of support from the fan base were the main contributors to GC leaving in my opinion - more so than any action by the board of 2.
So, let’s assume this hypothetical situation that the phone call was true and took place. GC is now in Mansfield having learned there’s no way back and rings a player he’s quite close to, one of his senior pros, naturally the gaffer May be closer to some of his first team squad that others. Let’s hypothetically say this player is JCH. Gaffer to JCH - “just calling to say good bye, thanks for your efforts playing for me” JCH - “I’m gutted boss, couldn’t you persuade them to stay, anything you could do, if you really want to stay” Gaffer to JCH - “I tried, I literally begged them, phoned them at 7am and said what a massive mistake I’ve made and I want to but they’re not having it. They see no way back.” A few days later at a game the player isn’t in the matchday squad and gets talking to a fan who is also disappointed at GC leaving and through this hypothetical conversation the fan asks why the Gaffer wanted to go to Mansfield. JCH to fan - “well that’s just it, he didn’t. He thought he did but he changed is mind and at 7am he rang the owners and told them he wanted to stat. Begged them literally for a second chance but they told him the damage was done. But then there is a hypothetical situation of some kind of conspiracy By the owners that this was planned. It’s plastered over a forum. They wanted to dethrone GC, that they wanted a younger buck, because GC was going to cost too much to re-contract and his football was dire and they had no plans to give him any money in the forthcoming transfer window. The fan, knowing this hypothetical conspiracy is likely nonsense and also knows that GC wanted to stay because of a hypothetical conversation he had with JCH, then decides to pass on some or all of that conversation given that GC is no longer our boss, it doesn’t matter and there is no malice on anyone’s part. But the hypothetical negative conspiracy is so much more interesting. So the fan gets a bashing that it’s never possible that it could happen. That he must be being fed by the owner/directors nuggets of information to win a popularity contest. Because also this fan has an agenda which no one can say exactly what it is. So is it possible that any of the hypothetical situation can happen? Or is it just hypothetical impossible nonsense?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 16:29:46 GMT
Unless Coughlan told the player?
I don't know if the phone call was made or not, but I would agree that there was nothing untenable about GC keeping his job if he apologised for the outburst. His remarkable record had earned him that.
We could all see that the guy was conflicted from his interview alone, but remember that he had, on more than one occasion wondered what he had to do to please the very vocal minority of fans that continued to criticise him, despite the fantastic on the field record. Family pressure + lack of support from the fan base were the main contributors to GC leaving in my opinion - more so than any action by the board of 2.
So, let’s assume this hypothetical situation that the phone call was true and took place. GC is now in Mansfield having learned there’s no way back and rings a player he’s quite close to, one of his senior pros, naturally the gaffer May be closer to some of his first team squad that others. Let’s hypothetically say this player is JCH. Gaffer to JCH - “just calling to say good bye, thanks for your efforts playing for me” JCH - “I’m gutted boss, couldn’t you persuade them to stay, anything you could do, if you really want to stay” Gaffer to JCH - “I tried, I literally begged them, phoned them at 7am and said what a massive mistake I’ve made and I want to but they’re not having it. They see no way back.” A few days later at a game the player isn’t in the matchday squad and gets talking to a fan who is also disappointed at GC leaving and through this hypothetical conversation the fan asks why the Gaffer wanted to go to Mansfield. JCH to fan - “well that’s just it, he didn’t. He thought he did but he changed is mind and at 7am he rang the owners and told them he wanted to stat. Begged them literally for a second chance but they told him the damage was done. But then there is a hypothetical situation of some kind of conspiracy By the owners that this was planned. It’s plastered over a forum. They wanted to dethrone GC, that they wanted a younger buck, because GC was going to cost too much to re-contract and his football was dire and they had no plans to give him any money in the forthcoming transfer window. The fan, knowing this hypothetical conspiracy is likely nonsense and also knows that GC wanted to stay because of a hypothetical conversation he had with JCH, then decides to pass on some or all of that conversation given that GC is no longer our boss, it doesn’t matter and there is no malice on anyone’s part. But the hypothetical negative conspiracy is so much more interesting. So the fan gets a bashing that it’s never possible that it could happen. That he must be being fed by the owner/directors nuggets of information to win a popularity contest. Because also this fan has an agenda which no one can say exactly what it is. So is it possible that any of the hypothetical situation can happen? Or is it just hypothetical impossible nonsense? f**k me mate That sounds like a poor man's Enid Blyton story "The Five Investigate Conspiracy" Either way it really doesn't matter
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 27, 2020 16:45:43 GMT
Wise words KP. The lack of leadership is indefensible, and the silence is deafening. The void it creates fuels ever more speculation. So what exactly is our illustrious owners strategy? PS. I don't think they have one. Does leadership extend to fans and supporters? I think not. But communication is important, they are truly awful at this. Eh? Do you mean should leadership extend to fans (as in "we" have to buy in to their leadership / strategy / business model)? YES. I guess if the lack of leadership becomes blatantly apparent we could potentially see gates falling and a growing sense of disillusionment as we limp from one fictitious new Stadium to another. (Yes I know there are other mitigating circumstances in terms of our gates falling, but I think the complete lack of leadership and failure to communicate anything meaningful really does matter).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 16:58:15 GMT
Does leadership extend to fans and supporters? I think not. But communication is important, they are truly awful at this. Eh? Do you mean should leadership extend to fans (as in "we" have to buy in to their leadership / strategy / business model)? YES. I guess if the lack of leadership becomes blatantly apparent we could potentially see gates falling and a growing sense of disillusionment as we limp from one fictitious new Stadium to another. (Yes I know there are other mitigating circumstances in terms of our gates falling, but I think the complete lack of leadership and failure to communicate anything meaningful really does matter). I think it's important to differentiate between leadership and PR/Communications. Telling a story, marketing and gaining consumer (fan/supporter) buy in is crucial. But the leadership bit is the formulation of the story and leading your management team to deliver it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 17:19:39 GMT
I’ve been made aware of you and was surprised at how close we used to stand, in the west enclosure. I now sit in the SW tent. Ah, I see. I bet it was Bambi who made you aware. I can hear it now, "That's....stay clear, he is right w***k**" (Philton can confirm) 😂😂 I would never call you a w**k** you tosser. I'm in Bristol Monday if you fancy a beer in the evening in Chepstow? (PM me)
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Post by swissgas on Feb 27, 2020 18:21:38 GMT
f me mate That sounds like a poor man's Enid Blyton story "The Five Investigate Conspiracy" Either way it really doesn't matter Biggles Flies Undone ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 18:26:38 GMT
Ah, I see. I bet it was Bambi who made you aware. I can hear it now, "That's....stay clear, he is right w***k**" (Philton can confirm) 😂😂 I would never call you a w**k** you tosser. I'm in Bristol Monday if you fancy a beer in the evening in Chepstow? (PM me) 👍👍
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 18:41:26 GMT
I’ve been made aware of you and was surprised at how close we used to stand, in the west enclosure. I now sit in the SW tent. Ah, I see. I bet it was Bambi who made you aware. I can hear it now, "That's....stay clear, he is right w***k**" (Philton can confirm) 😂😂 Would never do that. We have spats on here and in real life, we won't ever see eye to eye on politics, economics, The Share Scheme, but I still hope we are friends, and if I saw you in public I would always introduce you as such.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2020 20:56:21 GMT
So, let’s assume this hypothetical situation that the phone call was true and took place. GC is now in Mansfield having learned there’s no way back and rings a player he’s quite close to, one of his senior pros, naturally the gaffer May be closer to some of his first team squad that others. Let’s hypothetically say this player is JCH. Gaffer to JCH - “just calling to say good bye, thanks for your efforts playing for me” JCH - “I’m gutted boss, couldn’t you persuade them to stay, anything you could do, if you really want to stay” Gaffer to JCH - “I tried, I literally begged them, phoned them at 7am and said what a massive mistake I’ve made and I want to but they’re not having it. They see no way back.” A few days later at a game the player isn’t in the matchday squad and gets talking to a fan who is also disappointed at GC leaving and through this hypothetical conversation the fan asks why the Gaffer wanted to go to Mansfield. JCH to fan - “well that’s just it, he didn’t. He thought he did but he changed is mind and at 7am he rang the owners and told them he wanted to stat. Begged them literally for a second chance but they told him the damage was done. But then there is a hypothetical situation of some kind of conspiracy By the owners that this was planned. It’s plastered over a forum. They wanted to dethrone GC, that they wanted a younger buck, because GC was going to cost too much to re-contract and his football was dire and they had no plans to give him any money in the forthcoming transfer window. The fan, knowing this hypothetical conspiracy is likely nonsense and also knows that GC wanted to stay because of a hypothetical conversation he had with JCH, then decides to pass on some or all of that conversation given that GC is no longer our boss, it doesn’t matter and there is no malice on anyone’s part. But the hypothetical negative conspiracy is so much more interesting. So the fan gets a bashing that it’s never possible that it could happen. That he must be being fed by the owner/directors nuggets of information to win a popularity contest. Because also this fan has an agenda which no one can say exactly what it is. So is it possible that any of the hypothetical situation can happen? Or is it just hypothetical impossible nonsense? Just hypothetical impossible nonsense? Well, you said it. I don't think it happened. But then nor can I believe we're still discussing it. Whatever confidence you enjoy, Sir, I'm sure you've blown it now. Stop it, Bambi; you'll make me cry again.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Feb 27, 2020 21:16:36 GMT
So, let’s assume this hypothetical situation that the phone call was true and took place. GC is now in Mansfield having learned there’s no way back and rings a player he’s quite close to, one of his senior pros, naturally the gaffer May be closer to some of his first team squad that others. Let’s hypothetically say this player is JCH. Gaffer to JCH - “just calling to say good bye, thanks for your efforts playing for me” JCH - “I’m gutted boss, couldn’t you persuade them to stay, anything you could do, if you really want to stay” Gaffer to JCH - “I tried, I literally begged them, phoned them at 7am and said what a massive mistake I’ve made and I want to but they’re not having it. They see no way back.” A few days later at a game the player isn’t in the matchday squad and gets talking to a fan who is also disappointed at GC leaving and through this hypothetical conversation the fan asks why the Gaffer wanted to go to Mansfield. JCH to fan - “well that’s just it, he didn’t. He thought he did but he changed is mind and at 7am he rang the owners and told them he wanted to stat. Begged them literally for a second chance but they told him the damage was done. But then there is a hypothetical situation of some kind of conspiracy By the owners that this was planned. It’s plastered over a forum. They wanted to dethrone GC, that they wanted a younger buck, because GC was going to cost too much to re-contract and his football was dire and they had no plans to give him any money in the forthcoming transfer window. The fan, knowing this hypothetical conspiracy is likely nonsense and also knows that GC wanted to stay because of a hypothetical conversation he had with JCH, then decides to pass on some or all of that conversation given that GC is no longer our boss, it doesn’t matter and there is no malice on anyone’s part. But the hypothetical negative conspiracy is so much more interesting. So the fan gets a bashing that it’s never possible that it could happen. That he must be being fed by the owner/directors nuggets of information to win a popularity contest. Because also this fan has an agenda which no one can say exactly what it is. So is it possible that any of the hypothetical situation can happen? Or is it just hypothetical impossible nonsense? f me mate That sounds like a poor man's Enid Blyton story "The Five Investigate Conspiracy" Either way it really doesn't matter Well it matters to Vertigo, because he/she either called ITB out for lying or that Starnes or Wael were shabby. I presented an alternative hypothesis and ITB explored that potential explanation.
Pays your money and takes your choice, I suppose.
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