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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 11:59:12 GMT
About five years ago I met him and had a long chat with him. When they finally took over the mem. He was astounded that the rugger boys had paid 1.5 Million for the West stand and he told me that it was more than Peterboro had paid for their main stand. He also said that he could build a 5k seater at the Blackthorn end for a million. The blue stand couldn't be extended because of the bad sight lines, and it was another terrible waste of money by the rugger boys. He had obviously done his homework before we bought it. I have sat near him at 10 or 12 away games and always found him ok,of course I. Only ever had contact away from home because I lived in london for the past 33 years. I am now in Weston. I think that you should speak as you find, and not from rumour or hearsay, which let's face it is rife on this , and every other board. And for all of those supporters who missed the east vile and twerton days and have only known the premier league, well welcome to real football Well, he certainly seems to be good at criticising other people's developments. I wonder what they think about his (a roof on the Blackthorn End) The praise for the only development at the Mem since 1995 is due to the fans, "the raise the roof initiative" to cover the Blackthorn Terrace was from our pockets. As you can see while wandering around the stadium besides a marquee there has been no development to benefit the supporters, still he has been a warm bloke to some so that's ok.
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Post by Isaac Hunt on Oct 26, 2014 13:26:37 GMT
From personal experience I think Geoff is an egotistical ***** (ditto Peter), but there's no doubting he's a gashead and I hope that his recent step aside isn't due to more health problems.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 26, 2014 14:23:50 GMT
Well, he certainly seems to be good at criticising other people's developments. I wonder what they think about his (a roof on the Blackthorn End) The praise for the only development at the Mem since 1995 is due to the fans, "the raise the roof initiative" to cover the Blackthorn Terrace was from our pockets. As you can see while wandering around the stadium besides a marquee there has been no development to benefit the supporters, still he has been a warm bloke to some so that's ok. Surely any small scale development at the Mem, such has extending a stand etc, has been pointless given that there were originally plans to develop the whole ground and then more recently sell the ground?
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Post by swissgas on Oct 26, 2014 14:35:41 GMT
About five years ago I met him and had a long chat with him. When they finally took over the mem. He was astounded that the rugger boys had paid 1.5 Million for the West stand and he told me that it was more than Peterboro had paid for their main stand. He also said that he could build a 5k seater at the Blackthorn end for a million. The blue stand couldn't be extended because of the bad sight lines, and it was another terrible waste of money by the rugger boys. He had obviously done his homework before we bought it. I have sat near him at 10 or 12 away games and always found him ok,of course I. Only ever had contact away from home because I lived in london for the past 33 years. I am now in Weston. I think that you should speak as you find, and not from rumour or hearsay, which let's face it is rife on this , and every other board. And for all of those supporters who missed the east vile and twerton days and have only known the premier league, well welcome to real football I don't think anyone's claimed that he's a bad person. I know folk who have plenty of nice things to say about him. Does quite a bit for charity too. As for his record at BRFC... The Mem deal was a good one thanks to a Rugby club who were as desperate as they were naive - Geoff, Denis and anyone involved always deserved and got credit for that. But what use is the Mem when we're staring at the very real possibility of another stadium failure and debts that we can't repay? As for your last sentence, that's a bit patronising don't you think? Nobody expects Premier League football. We're not even in the Football League. The Mem redevelopment failed. The UWE pronect looks to be going down the tubes. The board had a setup that worked and they decided to weaken PT by removing LL, then got shocked when PT struggled and sacked him. Then the last 4 years happened. Is it so much to ask for a club that can get 7000 in the door regularly to not be in a lower league than Accrington Stanley and Morecambe, playing teams like Braintree? Maybe anyone who has an issue with the club's shocking downfall should put their feet up and watch Match of the Day instead if we're being so unreasonable? Perhaps the biggest criticism of Geoff Dunford and Nick Higgs is that they have failed to bring people together and therefore failed to squeeze the most out of the assets which the club has. Geoff may be "cunning and manipulative" and Nick may be "a blunt instrument with a big cheque book" but what they have to offer can benefit the club if it is used correctly. The tragedy for Rovers is that without anyone to lead and make best use of our resources we've been left with a chaotic mess where division flourishes and the mind numbing polarization of opinion between blind faith and outright hatred is all we are left with. With 5500 supporters turning up every week and the joy of stuffing Southern League clubs 7 - 1 a lot of Rovers fans will say why worry and what does it matter. Perhaps Geoff thinks it matters because he's not convinced that either plan A or plan b are going to work and he wants to make sure the club is prepared for a worst case scenario. That was the case in 1986 when it was only through his father bringing together all shades of opinion and harnessing all the talents available that Rovers were able to survive.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 14:46:16 GMT
The praise for the only development at the Mem since 1995 is due to the fans, "the raise the roof initiative" to cover the Blackthorn Terrace was from our pockets. As you can see while wandering around the stadium besides a marquee there has been no development to benefit the supporters, still he has been a warm bloke to some so that's ok. Surely any small scale development at the Mem, such has extending a stand etc, has been pointless given that there were originally plans to develop the whole ground and then more recently sell the ground? [b That is an interesting comment Topper, one which from my experience as a now non supporter but interested follower typifies the apathy surrounding large parts of the supporter base. How or why can progression be seen as pointless? particularly given how many people have walked away from the club or have been told to walk away because they have challenged the blatant lack of ambition and progression at the club. Just a simple bit of research produces a result of what Geoff Dunford has done for the club, and what he has gained from being at the club in comparison since his time at the club. Next year is twenty years at the Mem, a generation of fans gone and two generations of fans above that look at the club and see it exactly for what it is today as it was at Eastville, a badly wounded animal loved by a minority of locals who pay the animals vet bill to try and keep it alive. I think plenty of people no longer fall for that old chestnut of "plans for a new stadium" because so many people have been born and have passed since such talk and nothing, absolutely nothing has changed for the better at the club.
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Post by bluebeard on Oct 26, 2014 17:07:04 GMT
I think it's pretty obvious that NH wants to stand down and will probably do so as soon as the stadium is confirmed to be either on or off. I've no idea whether there is acrimony between GD and NH but under the circumstances it's not surprising that he referred to Jelf and Ware as the future of the club. I agree with other posters that GD has contributed to his own unpopularity but it must be quite difficult not to react when faced with constant abuse and criticism. Some of it is justified but much of it isn't and certain comments have indeed been libelous. At the end of the day, love him or hate him, he has put a lot of time and money into the club. Unless you have issues with him on a personal level I think he should be afforded a modicum of respect. Writing a book isn't the best way to ensure a quiet retirement but the fall out will depend on how controversial it is. He came across well on MIB and although I have never met him personally, nobody I know who has, has ever doubted his commitment to the club. Care to explain exactly how much money he has put into the club that will see no return then? Is it more than the money made from potential sale of Mem, the £5m from the 5 aside business, the money from the beeches, the loan players staying in his hotels, the rent money from former training pitches? It would be good to get a balanced view on this as opposed to the usual nonsense of what great Gasheads he and other directors are in losing millions propping up the club. Spend a bit of time googling and then come back and report what a financial saviour he has been, go on and the rest of ITK fans can have a right good chuckle. If you're that interested Google it yourself you sanctimonious twot. Giving it the bigun on an Internet forum won't compensate for your small penis. As far as which money will "see a return" is concerned, Google won't help you as it hasn't been repaid yet. I do know that some, if not all, of the money he has put in has seen zero return to date and interest payments due on loans have been waived.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 17:40:21 GMT
Care to explain exactly how much money he has put into the club that will see no return then? Is it more than the money made from potential sale of Mem, the £5m from the 5 aside business, the money from the beeches, the loan players staying in his hotels, the rent money from former training pitches? It would be good to get a balanced view on this as opposed to the usual nonsense of what great Gasheads he and other directors are in losing millions propping up the club. Spend a bit of time googling and then come back and report what a financial saviour he has been, go on and the rest of ITK fans can have a right good chuckle. If you're that interested Google it yourself you sanctimonious twot. Giving it the bigun on an Internet forum won't compensate for your small penis. As far as which money will "see a return" is concerned, Google won't help you as it hasn't been repaid yet. I do know that some, if not all, of the money he has put in has seen zero return to date and interest payments due on loans have been waived. [b Hi Bluebeard If it's all the same with you I will avoid discussing the size of my penis, as a heterosexual male while I do not consider myself to be homophobic I do find the thought of you pondering and considering the size of my girth rather unsettling, nothing personal we all have different ways of getting our kicks in life I guess. Back to topic I have used Google and Companies House and being part of a certain bristol business network to offer an alternative view to the one that some see Geoff as a club saviour, it's all about opinions I suppose.
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Post by LPGas on Oct 27, 2014 14:42:10 GMT
My last sentence was that there are a lot of, we want it and we want it now fans, spread throughout the country, added to this I know people who wont watch lower league footy as it is "not so good as premier League" which they watch on their telly. They were the people I was inferring to. When I taught in Barnet I could only name 3 kids who went to watch Barnet, (Out of 1400) and no doubt it is similar in Bristol, they prefer watching fantasy football to the real stuff we enjoy
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Post by ellington on Oct 30, 2014 0:05:59 GMT
My last sentence was that there are a lot of, we want it and we want it now fans, spread throughout the country, added to this I know people who wont watch lower league footy as it is "not so good as premier League" which they watch on their telly. They were the people I was inferring to. When I taught in Barnet I could only name 3 kids who went to watch Barnet, (Out of 1400) and no doubt it is similar in Bristol, they prefer watching fantasy football to the real stuff we enjoy I doubt that , local kids still follow local teams as well ,, different for Barnet being in a large city surrounded by much larger teams, becomes easier for youngsters to go to White hart lane or Stamford bridge, kids in Bristol got Rovers or City end of, unless I've missed the point.
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Post by warmleygas on Oct 30, 2014 5:26:09 GMT
Thought he came over very humble and honest. Everyone makes mistakes and I'm sure he will hold regrets and cringe at some of his decisions from the past but that applies to all of us and we should always be allowed to move forward from them Humble and honest, like KP says just sounds like he's a cunning, media savvy b*stard. Like Boris Johnson, everyone thinks he's this kind of lovable buffon because of his expertly cultivated image he projects, but you can see right through him and know the guy is a nasty piece of work!
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Post by warmleygas on Oct 30, 2014 5:38:05 GMT
My last sentence was that there are a lot of, we want it and we want it now fans, spread throughout the country, added to this I know people who wont watch lower league footy as it is "not so good as premier League" which they watch on their telly. They were the people I was inferring to. When I taught in Barnet I could only name 3 kids who went to watch Barnet, (Out of 1400) and no doubt it is similar in Bristol, they prefer watching fantasy football to the real stuff we enjoy I think there are a lot of armchair football fans these days, who never go to matches, but follow "their" premier league team from 400 miles away on their sofa with sky tv. But then with the cost of going to a football match these days, even at our level, can you blame them? Sky isn't cheap at all, but imagine the cost of Dad, Mum and two kids going to watch a game, plus petrol, maybe food etc at the ground, a lot of ordinary people just cant afford it. I think most of us Brits people just accept that being totally ripped off is just the norm and therefore just something you cant do anything about so why bother.
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