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Post by dagnogo on Oct 18, 2014 10:30:29 GMT
We at least agree on your first point.
Thing is, if the board knew a few years ago that we weren't good enough, why did nothing change? Look at Wycombe - stayed up by a miracle and now they're top, and they are fan owned - no Higgs or Dunford to spend a few quid and place debt on the club in sight.
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Post by fanatical on Oct 18, 2014 10:47:13 GMT
We at least agree on your first point. Thing is, if the board knew a few years ago that we weren't good enough, why did nothing change? Look at Wycombe - stayed up by a miracle and now they're top, and they are fan owned - no Higgs or Dunford to spend a few quid and place debt on the club in sight. Wycombe are a good example because they now have directors who are brought into the club because of their expertise and standing in the local community. They are not 'self-important' people who pay for the honour of being a director. Portsmouth too are worth looking at for inspiration.
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Oct 18, 2014 11:23:48 GMT
We at least agree on your first point. Thing is, if the board knew a few years ago that we weren't good enough, why did nothing change? Look at Wycombe - stayed up by a miracle and now they're top, and they are fan owned - no Higgs or Dunford to spend a few quid and place debt on the club in sight. Wycombe are a good example because they now have directors who are brought into the club because of their expertise and standing in the local community. They are not 'self-important' people who pay for the honour of being a director. Portsmouth too are worth looking at for inspiration. That's because Wycombe and Pompey are both run by Supporters Trusts, ie the fans. Geoff Dunford peferred to surround himself with acolytes. He's very much a Marmite character. I find yeast extract repulsive as well.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 18, 2014 14:31:44 GMT
He's a manipulative twat who is a master of using media to his own ends. Now yet again undermining Higgs with these comments. Give it a rest, that record is now worn out As is the club. You can forget it if you like. I had several runs ins with Geoff & there was no point in trying to talk sense with the man. He just would not engage in discussion but rather wanted to pontificate.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 18, 2014 14:38:45 GMT
Without specifically mentioning "the banned one", because he's over it, I'm confused at the talk of "agendas" to the extent that I'm sure it's a wind-up because I don't believe that anyone, even on here, could be so moronic and stupid. I've never met any of the board, they've never spoken to me personally - how can I have a vicious personal agenda? I am a critic of their handling of the clubs finances, continued failure to engage with its supporters, continued hiring of managers who fail, the total failure of various stadium projects and the lies told to fans about them, the 2 relegations, the fact that we're not even in the Football League, the fact that supporters gave the club over £1m and have nothing to show for it, and the fact that they take blame for nothing and drag the club's name through the mud. At any other club there'd be demands for action. But oh no, we're funny old Bristol Rovers, when we become the local laughing stock, as close in league terms to Weston as we are to our old rivals, millions in debt, what do we do? Shout down anyone who dares speak I'll of those responsible as disloyal. Like I said, you'd have to be one of the stupidest people in Bristol to think that the only reason that Geoff and friends are disliked is an "agenda" about one bloke being banned. Superb post and puts it into perspective. Those who shout hidden agenda really need to check themselves if they really believe this is about one person rather than a litany of disasters over a prolonged period.
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Post by alasitsgas on Oct 18, 2014 20:04:01 GMT
Thought Geoff came across real well, am i allowed to say that on here? Thought he as other have said comes over very well and deserves more credit than he and his father gets from some quarters.
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Post by dagnogo on Oct 18, 2014 22:18:50 GMT
Thought Geoff came across real well, am i allowed to say that on here? Thought he as other have said comes over very well and deserves more credit than he and his father gets from some quarters. I've never heard anyone once criticise Denis Dunford. Honestly
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Post by Lazza on Oct 19, 2014 10:14:39 GMT
Thought he as other have said comes over very well and deserves more credit than he and his father gets from some quarters. I've never heard anyone once criticise Denis Dunford. Honestly Nor I either, never heard anyone say that ever or even come close to it. What gets some of our supporters confused is that GD is "the son" of the man that saved us. Nothing more, nothing less. Denis Dunford saved us, not his Son whatever one's view might be about Geoff.
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Post by pquarters on Oct 19, 2014 12:24:09 GMT
Met him once in McDonalds in Bath, he was with his boys, but was happy to have a chat about Rovers. I found him to be very courteous and not at all "up himself". Maybe, like a lot of us, the opinion you form will depend on whether you caught him on a bad day? Thanks for posting the link robblue - much appreciated as I'm not able to get the channel in my area. Made in bristol tv channel should be on virgin channel 159 from 25 oct and on sky channel 117 from end of nov this year. Do you know if it will ever be transmitted from Mendip?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 12:38:19 GMT
I've never heard anyone once criticise Denis Dunford. Honestly Nor I either, never heard anyone say that ever or even come close to it. What gets some of our supporters confused is that GD is "the son" of the man that saved us. Nothing more, nothing less. Denis Dunford saved us, not his Son whatever one's view might be about Geoff. Never let facts get in the way of a good rant.In 1986 Geoff met messrs Flook.Bradshaw and Parker who were going to close the club down,he agreed to take over the club from them together with the debts,it was a few weeks later that his father joined the board to bring his expertise to the saving of the club,on that day in 1986 if Geoff had not accepted the challenge there would be no Rovers to moan about.On a seperate note i always find if you approach a person in a calm manner you get a better response to that if you go at them telling them what you think etc,maybe that is why KP did not get a good response to his overtures
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Post by Thatslife on Oct 19, 2014 19:09:34 GMT
Nor I either, never heard anyone say that ever or even come close to it. What gets some of our supporters confused is that GD is "the son" of the man that saved us. Nothing more, nothing less. Denis Dunford saved us, not his Son whatever one's view might be about Geoff. Never let facts get in the way of a good rant.In 1986 Geoff met messrs Flook.Bradshaw and Parker who were going to close the club down,he agreed to take over the club from them together with the debts,it was a few weeks later that his father joined the board to bring his expertise to the saving of the club,on that day in 1986 if Geoff had not accepted the challenge there would be no Rovers to moan about.On a seperate note i always find if you approach a person in a calm manner you get a better response to that if you go at them telling them what you think etc,maybe that is why KP did not get a good response to his overtures Thanks or posting that Padstow, many people already knew that but some numpties wont believe it even when its told by someone who knows. I was on a supporters group that used to meet with Barry Bradsure and Martin Flook at Barry's County Microwave offices. I would imagine Geoff D would find it difficult to talk to anyone who has fixed ideas and is ignorant of the facts, someone who speaks and pontificates from a place of ignorance is not easy to talk to let alone discuss matters.
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Post by GasMacc1 on Oct 19, 2014 21:38:58 GMT
p.s anyway did you like the video that i put on it's for all the boys that dont get made in bristol channel that live outside the city.I will put more on as every week Yes, thanks rob blue. Much appreciated. Not yet able to receive the programme in north north Bristol (i.e. Cheshire)!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 22:02:12 GMT
p.s anyway did you like the video that i put on it's for all the boys that dont get made in bristol channel that live outside the city.I will put more on as every week Yes, thanks rob blue. Much appreciated. Not yet able to receive the programme in north north Bristol (i.e. Cheshire)! I agree as well, as all I get is Oxford TV!
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Post by Peter Parker on Oct 19, 2014 22:02:26 GMT
Nor I either, never heard anyone say that ever or even come close to it. What gets some of our supporters confused is that GD is "the son" of the man that saved us. Nothing more, nothing less. Denis Dunford saved us, not his Son whatever one's view might be about Geoff. Never let facts get in the way of a good rant.In 1986 Geoff met messrs Flook.Bradshaw and Parker who were going to close the club down,he agreed to take over the club from them together with the debts,it was a few weeks later that his father joined the board to bring his expertise to the saving of the club,on that day in 1986 if Geoff had not accepted the challenge there would be no Rovers to moan about.On a seperate note i always find if you approach a person in a calm manner you get a better response to that if you go at them telling them what you think etc,maybe that is why KP did not get a good response to his overtures Tbats all well and good but Geoff has hardly helped himself at times. The countless tosser smilies on the official forum is hardly the level headed or reasoned response of a custodian f the club. I have no time for someone who instructs a decent man to lie to someone either. You see GD on twitter and he is symptomatic of the "its someone elses fault" that has engulfes BRFC for years. Thanks for what he did 30 years ago, but you cant keep living off that
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Post by LJG on Oct 20, 2014 10:39:41 GMT
Great to see Geoff so relaxed and happy talking about the club he loves. To the best of my knowledge no one has ever said "if Rovers lose their sense of humour they will lose their identity" but they should have done I think over the last six years we have lost our identity because the club was never about "bigness" bullying and bluster it was always about good humour, stoicism, a sense of fair play and being a valued part of the Bristol community. But what is the motivation behind Geoff's comment about needing more up and coming men of the calibre of Ed Ware and Chris Jelf ? Ed is 54 and Chris is 55 whereas Nick Higgs himself is only 56 so where does Geoff rate Nick in the "calibre" stakes and why isn't he considered as up and coming ? If Ed and Chris are the up and coming men why aren't they attending matches at the moment ? Shurely shomeone will shpill the beans on this one ? I know Geoff has upset a lot of Rovers fans over the years and my guess is that he is aware of his shortcomings and regrets some of the things he has said and done. But there must be a way back, a way to repair the damage and a way that differences can be reconciled for the good of the club. Because, for me at least, this interview shows that Geoff Dunford embodies the true spirit of Bristol Rovers. He was pitch-side for the minute's applause.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 20, 2014 12:59:35 GMT
Never let facts get in the way of a good rant.In 1986 Geoff met messrs Flook.Bradshaw and Parker who were going to close the club down,he agreed to take over the club from them together with the debts,it was a few weeks later that his father joined the board to bring his expertise to the saving of the club,on that day in 1986 if Geoff had not accepted the challenge there would be no Rovers to moan about.On a seperate note i always find if you approach a person in a calm manner you get a better response to that if you go at them telling them what you think etc,maybe that is why KP did not get a good response to his overtures Tbats all well and good but Geoff has hardly helped himself at times. The countless tosser smilies on the official forum is hardly the level headed or reasoned response of a custodian f the club. I have no time for someone who instructs a decent man to lie to someone either. You see GD on twitter and he is symptomatic of the "its someone elses fault" that has engulfes BRFC for years. Thanks for what he did 30 years ago, but you cant keep living off that Padstow, the fact remains that it was his father who had the business acumen, the ability and the drive to save the club and that is something I shall always thank the Dunford family for. GD may have been part of that, and full credit for whatever part he played at that time supporting his father (and others). However it was under GD's stewardship that the club started moving from being a club for the fans to a business and a poor performing business at that. The so called Twerton spirit has long disappeared. You can see that in the way fans react to defeats and the way some players are now roundly abused. It also has to be said GD laid the foundation for a lot of people turning against him by his own actions from the mid 2000s onwards which included threatening anyone who disagreed with him with legal action. His paranoia at any form of criticism and the many threats he made have been one of the primary (but not the only) reasons for the divide in supporters. That divide is easily identified on here. I am ambivalent towards the man as I have never had to do business with him nor have I ever been threatened with legal action by him as many others have. I have not had to endure expensive discussions with lawyers or responding to threatening letters as some have. I do however find it strange that he is now taking a higher profile and openly supporting certain members of the BoD whatever he says about taking a "back seat". I am sure he has his reasons. Perhaps it is a sign that his health is better and having left the BoD he feels more able to take a more vocal role.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 13:37:08 GMT
Tbats all well and good but Geoff has hardly helped himself at times. The countless tosser smilies on the official forum is hardly the level headed or reasoned response of a custodian f the club. I have no time for someone who instructs a decent man to lie to someone either. You see GD on twitter and he is symptomatic of the "its someone elses fault" that has engulfes BRFC for years. Thanks for what he did 30 years ago, but you cant keep living off that Padstow, the fact remains that it was his father who had the business acumen, the ability and the drive to save the club and that is something I shall always thank the Dunford family for. GD may have been part of that, and full credit for whatever part he played at that time supporting his father (and others). However it was under GD's stewardship that the club started moving from being a club for the fans to a business and a poor performing business at that. The so called Twerton spirit has long disappeared. You can see that in the way fans react to defeats and the way some players are now roundly abused. It also has to be said GD laid the foundation for a lot of people turning against him by his own actions from the mid 2000s onwards which included threatening anyone who disagreed with him with legal action. His paranoia at any form of criticism and the many threats he made have been one of the primary (but not the only) reasons for the divide in supporters. That divide is easily identified on here. I am ambivalent towards the man as I have never had to do business with him nor have I ever been threatened with legal action by him as many others have. I have not had to endure expensive discussions with lawyers or responding to threatening letters as some have. I do however find it strange that he is now taking a higher profile and openly supporting certain members of the BoD whatever he says about taking a "back seat". I am sure he has his reasons. Perhaps it is a sign that his health is better and having left the BoD he feels more able to take a more vocal role. Unfortunately, for all his merits and best intents, he kind of melded himself psychologically to the club - he's the club and the club is him and has been modelled in his image according to his priorities, preferences and prejudices. Wiser stewardship would have avoided that. I hoped NH might flush that out when he took over and let the club breathe, but he sort of took it as read and let it cloud things without that agenda actually directing things forward backward or sideways any more. The worst of both worlds. Ongoing commentary on the club and its affairs just show that neither Mr D, nor the club in not counteracting it, has grasped that it really shouldn't be all about him. Generally it's viewed as helpful and good form for ex leaders to maintain a dignified distance and silence, but I guess that's personal choice and was never likely to happen in this case. The club needs to believe it's not all about him as well. Maybe one day. Still, I'm sure he means well.
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Oct 20, 2014 16:41:27 GMT
Nor I either, never heard anyone say that ever or even come close to it. What gets some of our supporters confused is that GD is "the son" of the man that saved us. Nothing more, nothing less. Denis Dunford saved us, not his Son whatever one's view might be about Geoff. Never let facts get in the way of a good rant.In 1986 Geoff met messrs Flook.Bradshaw and Parker who were going to close the club down,he agreed to take over the club from them together with the debts,it was a few weeks later that his father joined the board to bring his expertise to the saving of the club,on that day in 1986 if Geoff had not accepted the challenge there would be no Rovers to moan about.On a seperate note i always find if you approach a person in a calm manner you get a better response to that if you go at them telling them what you think etc,maybe that is why KP did not get a good response to his overtures Correct Padstow.
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Oct 20, 2014 17:08:22 GMT
We attended a load of meetings with the FC after leaving Eastville and before moving to Twerton, all run by Geoff D, and only at the last one was Denis present. However that night he spoke with a passion and commitment that set the tone for the first 4 years at Twerton, all in it together and fighting for each other. Unfortunately slowly but surely the mood at that final pre season meeting has been chipped away. Started with the sacking of Rofe, spending hundreds and hundreds of thousands on 3 players from QPR and apart from an intitial blip under Holloway where fans and club were together again the club has gradually but slowly and surely moved away from its fan base, and the realism fans have about our predicament and finances.
Fans have been saying for most of the last 20 years under GD and others we are not structured properly to live within our means and make the best of our opportunity afforded by very good crowd figures considering mainly failure over most of that period (eg 2007 and a cup run in 2008). Our non league status has been an accident waiting to happen and a few exceptional talents up front delayed that realisation.
Some one said GD hasnt been involved for 3 years- I've been trying to tell people for over the 12 months I have directly observed the issue from behind the Exec boxes about his withdrawal from everything except funding failure but few listen (and even fewer actually know the people involved, a fact made clear by many of the comments above).
Its with some relief that the finances have been reigned in, except if you cut to deep to quick, you end up with a lightweight squad, no quality in final third, and a lot of missed opportunities on and off the field.That is where we are, although judging by groups whispering in corridors on Saturday and Higgs saying funding is being made available to expand the squad there are changes afoot.
Where are the issues
1. over reliance on UWE and under optomisation of present commercial opportunity - go to Mem on non match day and you will see little going on despite everyone telling me availability of meeting and conference spaces in Bristol is hard to come by.As I understand it we are probably doing as much as an over stressed back office staff can do so its the usual rag bag Rovers mentality (and I've seen nothing which tells me UWE will be any different, probably a build it and UWE will rent space mentality if anything)
2. running everything on the cheap rather than spending in areas which can become profit centres ie scouting systems - so many times fans have offered to scout, many do so for League and non League sides already, and would do it for free for Rovers if it helped, but not one has ever been contacted to my knowledge.
3. lack of focus on the important issues ie training facilities all levels of the club can use, initiatives to use fan data to maximise sales and revenue
I could go on and on. GD stands accused on these issues, we needed to be rag bag 30 years ago, but with our support, customer potential and goodwill of devoted followers we should be doing far better if properly run and not with a 'Tony the Till' type management.
I've said it before if I was on the Board I'd be having a whip round to recruit a proper CEO with experience running football and commercial side of things properly with a profit/reward by performance income structure in place and try doing things properly rather than on a shoe string. Who knows it may actually work........lord knows lots of the last 20 years or so certainly have not. Windfalls have kept us alive, and they are going to be few and far between.
Knowing us luck and chemistry will lead to a cup run, Trophy and Play off final appearances and another mask to the underlying issues. ANd another nail will be added to the coffin
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Post by LPGas on Oct 20, 2014 17:21:07 GMT
Haven't ever met Dunford, never will meet Dunford. But if I choose to be royally f***ed off, that he and his band of boardroom chums dragged this club to the lowest point in it's history, a mere 5 years after being 3rd in league one.... It means I have an AGENDA against him?! Not entirely sure you could make this up. If it wasn't for the Dufords you would be a s**thead, or a plastic Prem fan, and that is a fact
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