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Post by Peter Parker on Oct 21, 2014 13:09:13 GMT
If you are reading Geoff. Here's your title
The Dunford Dairies (see what I did?)
will give you my bank account details later for the royalties
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 13:17:58 GMT
It has to be The GoD, The Board & The Ugly.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 21, 2014 14:12:22 GMT
brilliant reply here
@geoffdunford How will you get round the confidentiality clauses other Directors have to abide by? @briseymoursmith
simple he wont be bound by a confidentiality clause as he is still a shareholder and free to say anything Those bound by confidentiality were employees or negotiated as part of a share purchase agreement presumably The Fans Directors (notably moreso BSS) state that they cannot provide information to the share scheme investors and others fans because of directors' confidentiality issues at BoD meetings. Surely even though he has left the BoD he is still bound by those same confidentiality issues from the time he was on the board..... Unless of course the confidentialy issue is a smokescreen?
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Oct 21, 2014 16:32:14 GMT
simple he wont be bound by a confidentiality clause as he is still a shareholder and free to say anything Those bound by confidentiality were employees or negotiated as part of a share purchase agreement presumably The Fans Directors (notably moreso BSS) state that they cannot provide information to the share scheme investors and others fans because of directors' confidentiality issues at BoD meetings. Surely even though he has left the BoD he is still bound by those same confidentiality issues from the time he was on the board..... Unless of course the confidentialy issue is a smokescreen? only if he was a party to the contract at the time of any confidentiality clause or party to a Board minute requiring it And I dont believe Fans Directors 'confidentiality' excuse, its short hand for 'what Nick will let me tell you' . They are non exec directors in reality, and I dont know any NED who would be restricted in what they say as much as these well meaning but ulitmately fall guys Further proof if any needed of how irrelevant the role is and what a wasted opportunity. £1m failed to provide anything to fans, especially in the hands of those who bow and scrape rather than challenge and inform. You can do this without breaching confidentiality, where such a restriction exists, as I say it exists in reality far less than is claimed - its more down to a Board mantra than an actual contractual or Companies Act requirement. Oh I forgot BSS did write to the board (ie himself) about happy hours not happening after games so there is some challenge, some may say self abuse. You really couldn't make it up.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 21, 2014 18:18:25 GMT
It is interesting when you say you feel they are non-execs in reality. Non execs are supposed to advise and comment on board issues yet BSS doesn't seem to have advised NH on his public relations activity which is supposed to be BSS' area of expertise. I agree entirely that the issue of confidentiality other than around the Sainsbury contract is indeed an excuse to say nothing other than what is allowed......
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 2:07:30 GMT
Geoff Dunford has tweeted that he will be writing a book Thinking it should be called The GoD Delusion!! It's bound to be taken up for development into a blockbuster musical.... And then there's the film rights: I'm torn between Woody Allen and Mel Brooks for who'd be best to handle that one.
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Post by dinsdale on Oct 22, 2014 4:38:27 GMT
Geoff did good things - the Twerton era and our return to Bristol. There is a reason people only talk about that era and him and that's because it was truely woeful ever since. I will always remember the lack of ambition the year we should have been promoted under Holloway and the woeful decision when Holloway left. Gary Thompson for f**k sake . Thats when he should have gone but he hung around like a bad smell making one bad decision after another and we lost pace with the development of the game.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 22, 2014 17:57:54 GMT
He's a manipulative twat who is a master of using media to his own ends. Now yet again undermining Higgs with these comments. We usually see eye to eye KP and I accept your comment is based on recent personal experience with Geoff which I don't have. Do you think Geoff is promoting Ed Ware and Chris Jelf as up and coming men, the future of the club if you like, purely to get at Nick Higgs ? Or do Ed and Chris really have a different agenda to that of Nick Higgs and is Geoff showing his support for them ? Many fans will say shhhhhhh don't talk about these things but what is the harm in it ? Today he announces he is writing s book to " set the record straught" that he has had enough of people telling him what happened etc. now, why would a man who says he was stepping down, to concentrate on family and health matters, have any need to write such a book ? I think Geoff just cannot live without him being the centre of attention and he got used to having a certain status that came with being a Directior of Bristol Rovers. I think Geoff is definitely miffed at Nick Higgs and is undermining him via Twitter and now via people on FB. Any integrity he had left is now in tatters and my own opinion is that he is shaming the legacy his late Father had. I cannot, for the luff of me, understanding why he feels a need to be so defensive. He stepped down and could do what he says, concentrate on his family. How can anyone now believe that he is acting selflessly when he just seems unable to keep a dignified silence and support the club from the sidelines, as he said he would ? I don't get it or him. He seems to be at war with himself. I am now starting to feel pity for him. I never thought I woujd feel that way.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 22, 2014 18:00:08 GMT
Nor I either, never heard anyone say that ever or even come close to it. What gets some of our supporters confused is that GD is "the son" of the man that saved us. Nothing more, nothing less. Denis Dunford saved us, not his Son whatever one's view might be about Geoff. Never let facts get in the way of a good rant.In 1986 Geoff met messrs Flook.Bradshaw and Parker who were going to close the club down,he agreed to take over the club from them together with the debts,it was a few weeks later that his father joined the board to bring his expertise to the saving of the club,on that day in 1986 if Geoff had not accepted the challenge there would be no Rovers to moan about.On a seperate note i always find if you approach a person in a calm manner you get a better response to that if you go at them telling them what you think etc,maybe that is why KP did not get a good response to his overtures I approached him very calmly as it happens. I only got upset & angry when he wrongly accused Sophie of agenda when she took photos of the Mansfield day. Those are the facts.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 22, 2014 18:45:28 GMT
We attended a load of meetings with the FC after leaving Eastville and before moving to Twerton, all run by Geoff D, and only at the last one was Denis present. However that night he spoke with a passion and commitment that set the tone for the first 4 years at Twerton, all in it together and fighting for each other. Unfortunately slowly but surely the mood at that final pre season meeting has been chipped away. Started with the sacking of Rofe, spending hundreds and hundreds of thousands on 3 players from QPR and apart from an intitial blip under Holloway where fans and club were together again the club has gradually but slowly and surely moved away from its fan base, and the realism fans have about our predicament and finances. Fans have been saying for most of the last 20 years under GD and others we are not structured properly to live within our means and make the best of our opportunity afforded by very good crowd figures considering mainly failure over most of that period (eg 2007 and a cup run in 2008). Our non league status has been an accident waiting to happen and a few exceptional talents up front delayed that realisation. Some one said GD hasnt been involved for 3 years- I've been trying to tell people for over the 12 months I have directly observed the issue from behind the Exec boxes about his withdrawal from everything except funding failure but few listen (and even fewer actually know the people involved, a fact made clear by many of the comments above). Its with some relief that the finances have been reigned in, except if you cut to deep to quick, you end up with a lightweight squad, no quality in final third, and a lot of missed opportunities on and off the field.That is where we are, although judging by groups whispering in corridors on Saturday and Higgs saying funding is being made available to expand the squad there are changes afoot. Where are the issues 1. over reliance on UWE and under optomisation of present commercial opportunity - go to Mem on non match day and you will see little going on despite everyone telling me availability of meeting and conference spaces in Bristol is hard to come by.As I understand it we are probably doing as much as an over stressed back office staff can do so its the usual rag bag Rovers mentality (and I've seen nothing which tells me UWE will be any different, probably a build it and UWE will rent space mentality if anything) 2. running everything on the cheap rather than spending in areas which can become profit centres ie scouting systems - so many times fans have offered to scout, many do so for League and non League sides already, and would do it for free for Rovers if it helped, but not one has ever been contacted to my knowledge. 3. lack of focus on the important issues ie training facilities all levels of the club can use, initiatives to use fan data to maximise sales and revenue I could go on and on. GD stands accused on these issues, we needed to be rag bag 30 years ago, but with our support, customer potential and goodwill of devoted followers we should be doing far better if properly run and not with a 'Tony the Till' type management. I've said it before if I was on the Board I'd be having a whip round to recruit a proper CEO with experience running football and commercial side of things properly with a profit/reward by performance income structure in place and try doing things properly rather than on a shoe string. Who knows it may actually work........lord knows lots of the last 20 years or so certainly have not. Windfalls have kept us alive, and they are going to be few and far between. Knowing us luck and chemistry will lead to a cup run, Trophy and Play off final appearances and another mask to the underlying issues. ANd another nail will be added to the coffin Great post Manc. Thanks.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 22, 2014 19:02:03 GMT
If you are reading Geoff. Here's your title The Dunford Dairies (see what I did?) will give you my bank account details later for the royalties Geoff Dunford , milking it
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Post by swissgas on Oct 23, 2014 2:02:52 GMT
We usually see eye to eye KP and I accept your comment is based on recent personal experience with Geoff which I don't have. Do you think Geoff is promoting Ed Ware and Chris Jelf as up and coming men, the future of the club if you like, purely to get at Nick Higgs ? Or do Ed and Chris really have a different agenda to that of Nick Higgs and is Geoff showing his support for them ? Many fans will say shhhhhhh don't talk about these things but what is the harm in it ? Today he announces he is writing s book to " set the record straught" that he has had enough of people telling him what happened etc. now, why would a man who says he was stepping down, to concentrate on family and health matters, have any need to write such a book ? I think Geoff just cannot live without him being the centre of attention and he got used to having a certain status that came with being a Directior of Bristol Rovers. I think Geoff is definitely miffed at Nick Higgs and is undermining him via Twitter and now via people on FB. Any integrity he had left is now in tatters and my own opinion is that he is shaming the legacy his late Father had. I cannot, for the luff of me, understanding why he feels a need to be so defensive. He stepped down and could do what he says, concentrate on his family. How can anyone now believe that he is acting selflessly when he just seems unable to keep a dignified silence and support the club from the sidelines, as he said he would ? I don't get it or him. He seems to be at war with himself. I am now starting to feel pity for him. I never thought I woujd feel that way. If Geoff was miffed at Nick Higgs because he was jealous that Nick was about to bring off a dramatic coup by forcing through the deal with Sainsburys and coming up with everything needed to start building in the spring and see the UWE project through to fruition would he start a campaign like this now ? I don't think he would because Geoff isn't stupid and if anything he would be looking to join the bandwagon. On the other hand if Nick was completely isolated, and was the only person who thought a battle with Sainsburys could be won, then Geoff might just conceivably be trying to act in the best interests of the club by encouraging others to challenge Nick. I'm not saying that is the case, and many people will say Geoff only looks after his own interests, but surely it must be a possibility. They used to say that in the Conservative Party the great and good came together in times of crisis to steer the ship away from dangerous waters and I'm wondering if something similar may be happening at Rovers now ? What do the leading lights in the Supporters Club, President Club, senior season ticket holders, the club staff, and others in what mancgas calls "the inner circle" think of the course Nick is taking ? What about the other board members particularly Chris and Ed ? Are they all fully behind him and expect that once the planning decision goes our way Sainsburys will capitulate, the new investors will come aboard and it will be plain sailing as we launch ourselves into the UWE project ? Or do they fear an even worse catastrophe lies ahead if the Captain continues to turn a blind eye to reality. Alternatively, could it be that Nick's plan B is to sell the club to outsiders and even though Geoff will get his money back he is upset that 130 years of local ownership is coming to an end and his vision of being the architect of it continuing in the future, perhaps through Chris and Ed, will not now be fulfilled ? "The Dunford Dairies" eh Peter Parker Nice one.
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Post by fanatical on Oct 23, 2014 9:03:57 GMT
Today he announces he is writing s book to " set the record straught" that he has had enough of people telling him what happened etc. now, why would a man who says he was stepping down, to concentrate on family and health matters, have any need to write such a book ? I think Geoff just cannot live without him being the centre of attention and he got used to having a certain status that came with being a Directior of Bristol Rovers. I think Geoff is definitely miffed at Nick Higgs and is undermining him via Twitter and now via people on FB. Any integrity he had left is now in tatters and my own opinion is that he is shaming the legacy his late Father had. I cannot, for the luff of me, understanding why he feels a need to be so defensive. He stepped down and could do what he says, concentrate on his family. How can anyone now believe that he is acting selflessly when he just seems unable to keep a dignified silence and support the club from the sidelines, as he said he would ? I don't get it or him. He seems to be at war with himself. I am now starting to feel pity for him. I never thought I woujd feel that way. If Geoff was miffed at Nick Higgs because he was jealous that Nick was about to bring off a dramatic coup by forcing through the deal with Sainsburys and coming up with everything needed to start building in the spring and see the UWE project through to fruition would he start a campaign like this now ? I don't think he would because Geoff isn't stupid and if anything he would be looking to join the bandwagon. On the other hand if Nick was completely isolated, and was the only person who thought a battle with Sainsburys could be won, then Geoff might just conceivably be trying to act in the best interests of the club by encouraging others to challenge Nick. I'm not saying that is the case, and many people will say Geoff only looks after his own interests, but surely it must be a possibility. They used to say that in the Conservative Party the great and good came together in times of crisis to steer the ship away from dangerous waters and I'm wondering if something similar may be happening at Rovers now ? What do the leading lights in the Supporters Club, President Club, senior season ticket holders, the club staff, and others in what mancgas calls "the inner circle" think of the course Nick is taking ? What about the other board members particularly Chris and Ed ? Are they all fully behind him and expect that once the planning decision goes our way Sainsburys will capitulate, the new investors will come aboard and it will be plain sailing as we launch ourselves into the UWE project ? Or do they fear an even worse catastrophe lies ahead if the Captain continues to turn a blind eye to reality. Alternatively, could it be that Nick's plan B is to sell the club to outsiders and even though Geoff will get his money back he is upset that 130 years of local ownership is coming to an end and his vision of being the architect of it continuing in the future, perhaps through Chris and Ed, will not now be fulfilled ? "The Dunford Dairies" eh Peter Parker Nice one. Those mentioned are all behind NH in his quest to deliver a new stadium. It is a great pity that GD has decided to leave the Board because he is an experienced campaigner
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 1:24:36 GMT
If Geoff was miffed at Nick Higgs because he was jealous that Nick was about to bring off a dramatic coup by forcing through the deal with Sainsburys and coming up with everything needed to start building in the spring and see the UWE project through to fruition would he start a campaign like this now ? I don't think he would because Geoff isn't stupid and if anything he would be looking to join the bandwagon. On the other hand if Nick was completely isolated, and was the only person who thought a battle with Sainsburys could be won, then Geoff might just conceivably be trying to act in the best interests of the club by encouraging others to challenge Nick. I'm not saying that is the case, and many people will say Geoff only looks after his own interests, but surely it must be a possibility. They used to say that in the Conservative Party the great and good came together in times of crisis to steer the ship away from dangerous waters and I'm wondering if something similar may be happening at Rovers now ? What do the leading lights in the Supporters Club, President Club, senior season ticket holders, the club staff, and others in what mancgas calls "the inner circle" think of the course Nick is taking ? What about the other board members particularly Chris and Ed ? Are they all fully behind him and expect that once the planning decision goes our way Sainsburys will capitulate, the new investors will come aboard and it will be plain sailing as we launch ourselves into the UWE project ? Or do they fear an even worse catastrophe lies ahead if the Captain continues to turn a blind eye to reality. Alternatively, could it be that Nick's plan B is to sell the club to outsiders and even though Geoff will get his money back he is upset that 130 years of local ownership is coming to an end and his vision of being the architect of it continuing in the future, perhaps through Chris and Ed, will not now be fulfilled ? "The Dunford Dairies" eh Peter Parker Nice one. Those mentioned are all behind NH in his quest to deliver a new stadium. It is a great pity that GD has decided to leave the Board because he is an experienced campaigner So far behind him that we can't see or hear them. Some might take their lack of comment or even throwing the issue into conversations on a taken-as-read basis as proof positive of unswerving support. All I know is that the only chink in that wall of silence is when someone breaks ranks and uses an aged local newspaper hack as a useful idiot / conduit to spread the word that all is not as we're told and that the thing has spun out of control - initially telling us that we are suing Sainsbury's and then giving details of a possible settlement. Some might see that as all part of a cunning master plan that guarantees all is well. Then again, I get the sense that some would probably extend their blind faith to the involvement of fairies and the lizard people being the confidential factors that make it all make sense.
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Post by bluebeard on Oct 24, 2014 11:18:18 GMT
I think it's pretty obvious that NH wants to stand down and will probably do so as soon as the stadium is confirmed to be either on or off. I've no idea whether there is acrimony between GD and NH but under the circumstances it's not surprising that he referred to Jelf and Ware as the future of the club. I agree with other posters that GD has contributed to his own unpopularity but it must be quite difficult not to react when faced with constant abuse and criticism. Some of it is justified but much of it isn't and certain comments have indeed been libelous. At the end of the day, love him or hate him, he has put a lot of time and money into the club. Unless you have issues with him on a personal level I think he should be afforded a modicum of respect. Writing a book isn't the best way to ensure a quiet retirement but the fall out will depend on how controversial it is. He came across well on MIB and although I have never met him personally, nobody I know who has, has ever doubted his commitment to the club.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 12:01:29 GMT
I think it's pretty obvious that NH wants to stand down and will probably do so as soon as the stadium is confirmed to be either on or off. I've no idea whether there is acrimony between GD and NH but under the circumstances it's not surprising that he referred to Jelf and Ware as the future of the club. I agree with other posters that GD has contributed to his own unpopularity but it must be quite difficult not to react when faced with constant abuse and criticism. Some of it is justified but much of it isn't and certain comments have indeed been libelous. At the end of the day, love him or hate him, he has put a lot of time and money into the club. Unless you have issues with him on a personal level I think he should be afforded a modicum of respect. Writing a book isn't the best way to ensure a quiet retirement but the fall out will depend on how controversial it is. He came across well on MIB and although I have never met him personally, nobody I know who has, has ever doubted his commitment to the club. Quality post - agree 100% about your comments
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 12:15:17 GMT
I believe the book is going to be called The Holy Libel.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Oct 24, 2014 14:12:10 GMT
Geoff certainly knows which buttons to press to get the gullible frothing at the mouth. How long will you all wait for the book until you realise you been had?
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Post by dagnogo on Oct 24, 2014 14:22:18 GMT
Speaking of gullible, he doesn't need to write a book to set the record straight when he has hundreds of Gasheads with their heads buried in the sand who will defend him blindly?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 24, 2014 14:50:59 GMT
Geoff certainly knows which buttons to press to get the gullible frothing at the mouth. How long will you all wait for the book until you realise you been had? Great publicity though isn't it! Bet BSS has been advising him.... I expect the title to the book to be like his finest email that he used to reserve to send to those who seriously p***** him off on the old OF... simply '.'
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