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Post by Icegas on Oct 23, 2024 11:52:15 GMT
No you didn’t, and I didn’t say you had either 🙂 If you asked me who I would choose over Barton and Taylor today.? Then Barton every time. Barton proved to me during his time here that he was capable.He rebuilt our complete squad 3 years ago, and achieved exactly what Taylor has done in his career in promotion from L2. Barton was dismissed to soon, and in Taylor I feel it's going to be to late. Nither are the future of our football club.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 23, 2024 12:34:24 GMT
No you didn’t, and I didn’t say you had either 🙂 If you asked me who I would choose over Barton and Taylor today.? Then Barton every time. Barton proved to me during his time here that he was capable.He rebuilt our complete squad 3 years ago, and achieved exactly what Taylor has done in his career in promotion from L2. Barton was dismissed to soon, and in Taylor I feel it's going to be to late. Nither are the future of our football club. Barton was the catalyst for the split in the club's fanbase and remains so. Most Barton supporters wanted Taylor gone day one and still do irrespective of recently winning 3 out of the last 4 games. Apart from wanting Barton back many of them cannot suggest a suitable replacement. And sadly I get the impression from the aggressive posts you can see on social media [which I am reading less and less] the fanbase will be divided for many years to come, some of them even angry that we won and Taylor remains. Whether Taylor is right for the job or not, it will be a long time before anything changes unless we can find someone like DC or Holloway who can bring people together.
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Post by baselswh on Oct 23, 2024 12:38:50 GMT
If you asked me who I would choose over Barton and Taylor today.? Then Barton every time. Barton proved to me during his time here that he was capable.He rebuilt our complete squad 3 years ago, and achieved exactly what Taylor has done in his career in promotion from L2. Barton was dismissed to soon, and in Taylor I feel it's going to be to late. Nither are the future of our football club. Barton was the catalyst for the split in the club's fanbase and remains so. Most Barton supporters wanted Taylor gone day one and still do irrespective of recently winning 3 out of the last 4 games. Apart from wanting Barton back many of them cannot suggest a suitable replacement. And sadly I get the impression from the aggressive posts you can see on social media [which I am reading less and less] the fanbase will be divided for many years to come, some of them even angry that we won and Taylor remains. Whether Taylor is right for the job or not, it will be a long time before anything changes unless we can find someone like DC or Holloway who can bring people together. The split in fanbase was caused by those that refused to give JB a chance.The virtue signalling cascade was as destructive as it became boring. Barton was clearly sacked too soon,by a man that openly admits he's not a football man.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Oct 23, 2024 13:23:56 GMT
Barton would get even less out of this squad than Taylor does. He is a very mediocre manager who achieved very little despite having two large playing budgets with us and Fleetwood. He’d also have hung out to dry a number of the players in public by now. Thankfully with his off the field antics he is unlikely to find another football club deranged enough to employ him. Anyone wishing him to be within 100 miles of BS7 needs to give their head a permanent wobble Barton has more football knowledge and experience in his little finger than MTs entire career. In your opinion. Not backed up by his track record which is mediocre at best and that despite two large playing budgets here and at Fleetwood. He left us with a really unbalanced squad which has had to be rebuilt and with plenty of sulkers who jumped ship rather than stay and play for the shirt. Like his playing career, he thinks he is a genius when the reality is anything but. That’s even before we get to his abhorrent off the field antics. Not quite as bad a manager as the hapless Benny or Big Fat Mal but on a par with Buckle and McGee in our illustrious history of terrible managerial appointments
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Post by bluetornados on Oct 23, 2024 13:43:09 GMT
BRFC Managerial stats for Joey Barton and Matt Taylor...
Joey Barton - P143, W53, D30, L60 = 37.1% Win Rate
Matt Taylor - P30, W11, D4, L14 = 36.6% Win Rate
Since 2001 BRFC have had 11 other permanent managers, only the following have better win rates than the above: Paul Trollope (37.3), Darrell Clarke (42.3) and Graham Coughlan (44.6)
Falling below JB & MT are: Garry Thompson (29.8), Ray Graydon (27.2), Ian Atkins (30.9), Dave Penney (15.4), Paul Buckle (27.5). Mark McGhee (26.6), Ben Garner (18.2) and Paul Tisdale (26.3).
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Oct 23, 2024 13:58:03 GMT
No you didn’t, and I didn’t say you had either 🙂 If you asked me who I would choose over Barton and Taylor today.? Then Barton every time. Barton proved to me during his time here that he was capable.He rebuilt our complete squad 3 years ago, and achieved exactly what Taylor has done in his career in promotion from L2. Barton was dismissed to soon, and in Taylor I feel it's going to be to late. Nither are the future of our football club. Capable of what? Getting us relegated with not even as much as a whimper? Hovering above the drop zone through playing boring tippy tappy football with no end product? Spunking away a large playing budget and leaving us with a lopsided unbalanced squad? Dragging our reputation through the mud and making us a laughing stock and despised in equal measures? Yes - he’s capable of all these things and that’s exactly what he delivered. Don’t get me wrong - Taylor would not have been my choice to replace him and I am yet to understand how he is trying to get us to play and some of the football under him has been awful. I much prefer what we have now to what we had before though. If he keeps winning 3 from every 4 games even if that is by winning ugly then fine by me. From what I’ve seen so far margins are fine even when we win and we could just as easily slip into another spell of September form. Confidence makes a massive difference in football and nothing breeds it like winning especially if you win ugly. Barton should never have been appointed in the first place - a staggeringly poor decision so was sacked long after time. Interested to know what your expectations were for us this season. Where did you expect us to be at this point? Me - I think we are realistically and reasonably placed despite the football. I’m also not sure there is an obvious alternative to Taylor who would get much more out of his squad, and we cannot afford the cost and disruption that ripping things apart right now would bring especially when we are still paying for Wael and Barton’s folly. We are back in the cycle of luck and chemistry (and hope) again which suggests that the new owners are no better at running a football club than the last lot and the lots that came before them. Pity we don’t get to run the train set as I’m sure we’d smash such a simple task out of the park eh? 🙂
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 23, 2024 14:04:57 GMT
Barton was the catalyst for the split in the club's fanbase and remains so. Most Barton supporters wanted Taylor gone day one and still do irrespective of recently winning 3 out of the last 4 games. Apart from wanting Barton back many of them cannot suggest a suitable replacement. And sadly I get the impression from the aggressive posts you can see on social media [which I am reading less and less] the fanbase will be divided for many years to come, some of them even angry that we won and Taylor remains. Whether Taylor is right for the job or not, it will be a long time before anything changes unless we can find someone like DC or Holloway who can bring people together. The split in fanbase was caused by those that refused to give JB a chance.The virtue signalling cascade was as destructive as it became boring. Barton was clearly sacked too soon,by a man that openly admits he's not a football man. Always someone else's fault, not the messiah Barton. Sounds just like him. If the current raging by his supporters who would rather we lost the other night and got rid of Taylor, I think you are misguided Bas. He was no better in League One than Taylor and yet his acolytes see him as far superior. There are none so blind as those who will not see..
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Oct 23, 2024 14:12:17 GMT
Not quite a like for like comparison either Chesh as Poundland Pep’s stats include a full season in L2 whereas Taylor’s are all L1. If BT is right (and I’ve no reason to doubt him) then Taylor has only had about 20% of the games Basel’s hero was given yet the Toxic Turd Fan Boy Club are baying for his head
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Post by baselswh on Oct 23, 2024 14:13:00 GMT
The split in fanbase was caused by those that refused to give JB a chance.The virtue signalling cascade was as destructive as it became boring. Barton was clearly sacked too soon,by a man that openly admits he's not a football man. Always someone else's fault, not the messiah Barton. Sounds just like him. If the current raging by his supporters who would rather we lost the other night and got rid of Taylor, I think you are misguided Bas. He was no better in League One than Taylor and yet his acolytes see him as far superior. There are none so blind as those who will not see.. The anti Barton brigade had a choice,they decided to be destructive. I was at the game last night, cheering MTs team on.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 23, 2024 14:17:14 GMT
Always someone else's fault, not the messiah Barton. Sounds just like him. If the current raging by his supporters who would rather we lost the other night and got rid of Taylor, I think you are misguided Bas. He was no better in League One than Taylor and yet his acolytes see him as far superior. There are none so blind as those who will not see.. The anti Barton brigade had a choice,they decided to be destructive. I was at the game last night, cheering MTs team on. Are you saying that the abuse those who were against the appointment of Barton were given was inconsequential?
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Post by bloogas on Oct 23, 2024 14:21:02 GMT
[quote author=" Cheshiregas" source="/post/315999/thread" timestamp="1729686864[/quote]Barton was the catalyst for the split in the club's fanbase and remains so. Most Barton supporters wanted Taylor gone day one and still do irrespective of recently winning 3 out of the last 4 games. Apart from wanting Barton back many of them cannot suggest a suitable replacement. And sadly I get the impression from the aggressive posts you can see on social media [which I am reading less and less] the fanbase will be divided for many years to come, some of them even angry that we won and Taylor remains. Whether Taylor is right for the job or not, it will be a long time before anything changes unless we can find someone like DC or Holloway who can bring people together.[/quote] "We won and Taylor remains." Freudian slip? Or is that really the way you see it? 3 out 4 wins? I've seen all 3 and singularly unimpressive they were.
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Post by baselswh on Oct 23, 2024 14:21:30 GMT
The anti Barton brigade had a choice,they decided to be destructive. I was at the game last night, cheering MTs team on. Are you saying that the abuse those who were against the appointment of Barton were given was inconsequential? That had'nt crossed my mind. Chesh,I played local football for 18 years.It takes all sorts to make a fc. It is for everyone. Everyone. A church of people.
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Post by bloogas on Oct 23, 2024 14:34:15 GMT
The anti Barton brigade had a choice,they decided to be destructive. I was at the game last night, cheering MTs team on. Are you saying that the abuse those who were against the appointment of Barton were given was inconsequential? It's football. The abuse of managers, players, referees, et al is cringeworthy and embarrasses me for one. There was as much abuse in the other direction. FWIW, last Saturday I went to the Bristol /Saracens rugby at the Gate. Saracens fans were all around us. So what? Pleasant change. Something you wouldn't find at football games. Tells you something.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Oct 23, 2024 15:37:14 GMT
Always someone else's fault, not the messiah Barton. Sounds just like him. If the current raging by his supporters who would rather we lost the other night and got rid of Taylor, I think you are misguided Bas. He was no better in League One than Taylor and yet his acolytes see him as far superior. There are none so blind as those who will not see.. The anti Barton brigade had a choice,they decided to be destructive. I was at the game last night, cheering MTs team on. Good for you. I did the same at every game I attended during Barton’s tenure. Barton could have won me over if he had proven to be a good football manager and behaved like a decent human being. Instead what we got was an insecure ego fuelled narcissist with an over inflated opinion of his own ability and who thought he was a genius and on a different planet to everyone else. Even during his promotion season it was only when he started to use a settled side and stopped meddling that he got the best out of the talented squad he had assembled. I’m not in the know but I’d wager that Kevin Bond had a big influence on this and when Barton fell out with him because he knew better things went pear shaped. Off the field Barton continued to act like a prize knob proving that leopards really can't change their spots.
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Post by The Concept on Oct 24, 2024 5:58:38 GMT
A quarter of the way through the season now for all clubs in League 1, and yesterday we saw the second managerial sacking.
23/10/2024 - Burton Albion, at the foot of the table, dismissed Mark Robinson after gaining just 4 points from 11 games. 21/08/2024 - Wigan Athletic parted company with Neil Critchley, after losing their first 2 games, having finished 3 points off the play-offs the previous season.
Have I missed any other League 1 teams? Any sackings in any other division?
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Oct 24, 2024 8:26:31 GMT
A quarter of the way through the season now for all clubs in League 1, and yesterday we saw the second managerial sacking. 23/10/2024 - Burton Albion, at the foot of the table, dismissed Mark Robinson after gaining just 4 points from 11 games. 21/08/2024 - Wigan Athletic parted company with Neil Critchley, after losing their first 2 games, having finished 3 points off the play-offs the previous season. Have I missed any other League 1 teams? Any sackings in any other division? Bluetornados does an excellent job cataloguing them gasheads.org/thread/11974/managers-coming-24-25-seasonCritchley was at Blackpool not Wigan btw
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Post by The Concept on Oct 24, 2024 11:22:12 GMT
A quarter of the way through the season now for all clubs in League 1, and yesterday we saw the second managerial sacking. 23/10/2024 - Burton Albion, at the foot of the table, dismissed Mark Robinson after gaining just 4 points from 11 games. 21/08/2024 - Wigan Athletic parted company with Neil Critchley, after losing their first 2 games, having finished 3 points off the play-offs the previous season. Have I missed any other League 1 teams? Any sackings in any other division? Bluetornados does an excellent job cataloguing them gasheads.org/thread/11974/managers-coming-24-25-seasonCritchley was at Blackpool not Wigan btw Thanks for the link! Not a huge amount gone from English divisions yet, and a couple of strange ones very early on. And yes, of course, I knew it was Blackpool - had too many tabs open when I was looking into different clubs!
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