harrybuckle
Always look on the bright side
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Post by harrybuckle on Sept 29, 2024 17:59:41 GMT
Adrian Coles posted thiscon Facebook
Barton’s Record with a new squad of players of his choosing and a pre season after 8 league games achieved 7 points with 2 wins, exactly the same as Matt Taylor so far. Apart from Taylor was not being prosecuted for potentially assaulting another Manager, he was not being prosecuted for potentially assaulting his wife, he was not insulting most other league managers every week and Taylor has not been blaming the referee every week and he wasn’t potentially bullying some of the players. So now tell me the difference ? Whilst Matt Taylor was not my preferred choice , he gets my backing because my glass is half full ! ps if we had not got very lucky with Elliot Anderson we would probably still be in league two !
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Post by baselswh on Sept 29, 2024 18:38:24 GMT
Adrian Coles posted thiscon Facebook Barton’s Record with a new squad of players of his choosing and a pre season after 8 league games achieved 7 points with 2 wins, exactly the same as Matt Taylor so far. Apart from Taylor was not being prosecuted for potentially assaulting another Manager, he was not being prosecuted for potentially assaulting his wife, he was not insulting most other league managers every week and Taylor has not been blaming the referee every week and he wasn’t potentially bullying some of the players. So now tell me the difference ? Whilst Matt Taylor was not my preferred choice , he gets my backing because my glass is half full ! ps if we had not got very lucky with Elliot Anderson we would probably still be in league two ! Apart from the last sentence I think it's not a bad effort. I could talk about differences but it matters not,not at this time. MT needs results and a visible improvement in style.A style in itself would be nice.
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Post by rideintothesun on Sept 29, 2024 20:47:25 GMT
Adrian Coles posted thiscon Facebook Barton’s Record with a new squad of players of his choosing and a pre season after 8 league games achieved 7 points with 2 wins, exactly the same as Matt Taylor so far. Apart from Taylor was not being prosecuted for potentially assaulting another Manager, he was not being prosecuted for potentially assaulting his wife, he was not insulting most other league managers every week and Taylor has not been blaming the referee every week and he wasn’t potentially bullying some of the players. So now tell me the difference ? Whilst Matt Taylor was not my preferred choice , he gets my backing because my glass is half full ! ps if we had not got very lucky with Elliot Anderson we would probably still be in league two ! The irony is that the downturn under MT is more serious than the downturn under JB. Even when things were going downhill under JB, I never thought a serious relegation fight was on the cards. Unfortunately this is where we are now with MT. The team are currently looking and playing like a relegation side. The noises coming out of the camp are also far more serious - MT saying the team played like an academy side in the first half against Peterborough was particularly concerning. There was a downturn in the preceding season under JB, but it wasn't as bad as what we saw last season under MT, with the club breaking its record for games without scoring. JB also did not spend 1.5m on players and then not play them. Worth remembering however that when MT was appointed, there were very dissenting voices, or even alternatives considered. He hasn't become a terrible manager overnight.
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Post by texasgas on Sept 29, 2024 21:04:55 GMT
Adrian Coles posted thiscon Facebook Barton’s Record with a new squad of players of his choosing and a pre season after 8 league games achieved 7 points with 2 wins, exactly the same as Matt Taylor so far. Apart from Taylor was not being prosecuted for potentially assaulting another Manager, he was not being prosecuted for potentially assaulting his wife, he was not insulting most other league managers every week and Taylor has not been blaming the referee every week and he wasn’t potentially bullying some of the players. So now tell me the difference ? Whilst Matt Taylor was not my preferred choice , he gets my backing because my glass is half full ! ps if we had not got very lucky with Elliot Anderson we would probably still be in league two ! The irony is that the downturn under MT is more serious than the downturn under JB. Even when things were going downhill under JB, I never thought a serious relegation fight was on the cards. Unfortunately this is where we are now with MT. The team are currently looking and playing like a relegation side. The noises coming out of the camp are also far more serious - MT saying the team played like an academy side in the first half against Peterborough was particularly concerning. There was a downturn in the preceding season under JB, but it wasn't as bad as what we saw last season under MT, with the club breaking its record for games without scoring. JB also did not spend 1.5m on players and then not play them. Worth remembering however that when MT was appointed, there were very dissenting voices, or even alternatives considered. He hasn't become a terrible manager overnight. Has he really spent that much? Not disputing it, just didn’t realise it was that much. We have sold Collins and Evans for decent sums under his watch so not all outgoings. Can’t think of who we sold under Barton. We signed a lot of older players under Barton. With MT there’s a lot of promising youth that’s come in. Sadly it hasn’t clicked yet. Fingers crossed it does before too long. I reckon owners will stick with him for a while. Just hope it doesn’t get toxic with the fans and we turn it around soon.
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knobrot
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Post by knobrot on Sept 30, 2024 9:43:14 GMT
The whole argument is pretty much moot, the owners have hung themselves by recruiting, probably on the advice of others, a manager with the vision of a myopic bat that had just been sacked. The publicly stated basis on which he was recruited, voiced by the owner in his interview following, used to justify the sacking of Barton, was that the team had been heavily invested in and Taylor provided the best opportunity to produce the top six position that Barton apparently couldn’t. The owners also bought in at a time when optimism was at a high not seen for many years. The South Stand farce notwithstanding expectations had been raised. We were seeing sellouts last Christmas that further encouraged the belief that this football club had crossed a rubicon and was destined for greater things. Behind the scenes carnage was unfolding. The previous seasons player of the year being so desperate to get away from the place refused to play and was subsequently sold for a fee that was at least a million quid short of his valuation six months earlier. As usual we keep the faith and rationalised he was no longer the player he was ignoring the size and expectations of him of the purchasing club. What had been a vibrant team that would make difficult decisions to live away from their families to run through brick walls for Barton became a bunch of useless twats that if it weren’t for ‘Chrissy’ and ‘Anthony’ the latter of which also couldn’t wait to get out of the place and was sold for a pittance, would be languishing in the relegation spots, a bit different from the top six. The majority it seems went along with the idea that once the current lot had been cleared out whose fault for the absolute collapse seen in the second half of last season were responsible and a new young vibrant crew recruited the sunny uplands would once again be very much in view. The issue that has been, not so much ignored but tolerated, was the dull negative demeanour that would have seen any rats and mice throwing themselves into traps to escape of the now exposed and distinctly incapable manager. The new crew are in, a covid stricken Northampton were brutally seen off with a 93rd minute winner, a six nil pasting was narrowly avoided at Rotherham due to the heroics of the goalkeeper and out of the blue an inferior version of Ryan Loft bagged two goals, bringing his total to an immense 14 over the last two and a bit seasons and bugger me Mr Misery almost broke into a smile. Yerwiggo yerwiggo yerwiggo, the place is bouncing 7 fricking points who would have thought it, four distinctly disturbing games later still 7 points and in the bottom four and guess what who’s fault is it?, the players. Well we’re stuck with it folks, for those on here that are desperate for Mr Motivator to succeed he bloody well better had because if he doesn’t this club is going down the pan. Young kids getting booed off the pitch, supporters walking out midway through games and eventually not turning up at all, a far cry from the vibrant packed houses businessmen demand to provide the returns they plan for.
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syg
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Post by syg on Sept 30, 2024 9:48:52 GMT
Paragraphs would be nice.
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Post by toteend3 on Sept 30, 2024 10:34:06 GMT
RUBBISH! Yes it’s the same at Thashton, the city fan base have no confidence in their manager and have already made up their minds and want him out. Whereas, the juries out on MT who needs his team to put some points on the table from the next four/five matches. Otherwise, currently undecided fans (including myself) will be pushing for yet another manager to avoid joining city in being relegated, which would once again put the kaboosh on any potential derby games. I must admit Toteend3 I am finding it more and more difficult to defend the manager. People are impatient and want success and change now with some Bartonians wanting him out within a few weeks of appointment and would never take to him. But I really can't see any improvement that justifies having much more patience. He really does need to convince us that he can motivate the team to greater heights and especially points. The pressure won't get any better or go away but neither it seems has the fragility of last season's team. If he can't motivate them any better or get them to gel by the end of October then sadly, he needs to go. If he can't get any change or improvement in 3 months then sadly I don't think giving him more time is going to make any difference. Let a new manager have November & December and fill the gaps in January. If we can afford it while paying off two former managers! My three daughters, without fail, always ask how the Rovers are doing (or not doing) for decades now the Gas have been serial under achiever’s so my response rarely rates higher than mediocre. ‘ no change there then dad same old Rovers, it’s a pity you don’t support a real team! They say every dog has its day, but as I sat in the South Stand and watch fellow oldtimers struggling to keep their balance when trying to get to access their seats, I have doubts any of us will see that day. I reluctantly agree with you and the iceman MT has to get some points on the table by the end of Oct or the song may go like this ‘ its happened again. It’s happened again we got a s**t manager it’s happened again!
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harold
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Post by harold on Sept 30, 2024 11:00:03 GMT
Why are we constantly extending MTs deadline before we want him out,it should now be obvious to everybody he's the wrong man for the job. BRING BACK HOLLOWAY NOW before it's too late.
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Post by baselswh on Sept 30, 2024 11:12:01 GMT
I must admit Toteend3 I am finding it more and more difficult to defend the manager. People are impatient and want success and change now with some Bartonians wanting him out within a few weeks of appointment and would never take to him. But I really can't see any improvement that justifies having much more patience. He really does need to convince us that he can motivate the team to greater heights and especially points. The pressure won't get any better or go away but neither it seems has the fragility of last season's team. If he can't motivate them any better or get them to gel by the end of October then sadly, he needs to go. If he can't get any change or improvement in 3 months then sadly I don't think giving him more time is going to make any difference. Let a new manager have November & December and fill the gaps in January. If we can afford it while paying off two former managers! My three daughters, without fail, always ask how the Rovers are doing (or not doing) for decades now the Gas have been serial under achiever’s so my response rarely rates higher than mediocre. ‘ no change there then dad same old Rovers, it’s a pity you don’t support a real team! They say every dog has its day, but as I sat in the South Stand and watch fellow oldtimers struggling to keep their balance when trying to get to access their seats, I have doubts any of us will see that day. I reluctantly agree with you and the iceman MT has to get some points on the table by the end of Oct or the song may go like this ‘ its happened again. It’s happened again we got a s**t manager it’s happened again! Afraid we had "our day" with Joe Barton tote-end. Okay,it was to scrape a promotion place back to the 3rd tier,but we did it in amazing style. That team/squad must of been worth many millions of pounds £. Joe had seen Argyle get promoted to the 2nd tier with plenty of experienced players in their ranks.He aimed to try and do the same at Rovers.It was'nt working out,injuries being one reason.He knew it and would of put things right.Thing is Al Saeed did'nt like Bartons style and used our 16th position in October as an excuse to sack him. Then,eventually our non football man owner,in all his wisdom and football nous hired Matt Taylor. The rest of that season was a waste of time,especially for Gasheads. Sulking disinterested Scousers,fed up at their man Bartons sacking and disliking MTs style made it a bloody awful season Now we see Matt Taylor look every bit the PE teacher,out of his depth.This with his team.I can't see things improving with MT. Another waste of time season 2024/25. Al Saeed is awful. A rich bloke that does'nt get football,who bought Rovers for his son. Useless nepotism that has made Rovers look like candidates for next seasons 4th tier.
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Icegas
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Post by Icegas on Sept 30, 2024 13:54:17 GMT
It's not the results for me right now as it early in the season and we aren't expecting to win the title this season,but it's rather the performances and style. There is none,and there isn't a style of play.
If you could see progression then I wouldn't be calling for him to go,but there is not..
It's just a matter of time before it's ended ,so why wait...?
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Post by rideintothesun on Sept 30, 2024 14:22:58 GMT
The irony is that the downturn under MT is more serious than the downturn under JB. Even when things were going downhill under JB, I never thought a serious relegation fight was on the cards. Unfortunately this is where we are now with MT. The team are currently looking and playing like a relegation side. The noises coming out of the camp are also far more serious - MT saying the team played like an academy side in the first half against Peterborough was particularly concerning. There was a downturn in the preceding season under JB, but it wasn't as bad as what we saw last season under MT, with the club breaking its record for games without scoring. JB also did not spend 1.5m on players and then not play them. Worth remembering however that when MT was appointed, there were very dissenting voices, or even alternatives considered. He hasn't become a terrible manager overnight. Has he really spent that much? Not disputing it, just didn’t realise it was that much. We have sold Collins and Evans for decent sums under his watch so not all outgoings. Can’t think of who we sold under Barton. We signed a lot of older players under Barton. With MT there’s a lot of promising youth that’s come in. Sadly it hasn’t clicked yet. Fingers crossed it does before too long. I reckon owners will stick with him for a while. Just hope it doesn’t get toxic with the fans and we turn it around soon. 500,000K Omochere, 400K Forde, 300K Conteh, 200K Hutchinson, Add in 100K for loan signing fees, free signing on etc. = 1.5m
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Post by rideintothesun on Sept 30, 2024 14:36:33 GMT
My three daughters, without fail, always ask how the Rovers are doing (or not doing) for decades now the Gas have been serial under achiever’s so my response rarely rates higher than mediocre. ‘ no change there then dad same old Rovers, it’s a pity you don’t support a real team! They say every dog has its day, but as I sat in the South Stand and watch fellow oldtimers struggling to keep their balance when trying to get to access their seats, I have doubts any of us will see that day. I reluctantly agree with you and the iceman MT has to get some points on the table by the end of Oct or the song may go like this ‘ its happened again. It’s happened again we got a s**t manager it’s happened again! Afraid we had "our day" with Joe Barton tote-end. Okay,it was to scrape a promotion place back to the 3rd tier,but we did it in amazing style. That team/squad must of been worth many millions of pounds £. Joe had seen Argyle get promoted to the 2nd tier with plenty of experienced players in their ranks.He aimed to try and do the same at Rovers.It was'nt working out,injuries being one reason.He knew it and would of put things right.Thing is Al Saeed did'nt like Bartons style and used our 16th position in October as an excuse to sack him. Then,eventually our non football man owner,in all his wisdom and football nous hired Matt Taylor. The rest of that season was a waste of time,especially for Gasheads. Sulking disinterested Scousers,fed up at their man Bartons sacking and disliking MTs style made it a bloody awful season Now we see Matt Taylor look every bit the PE teacher,out of his depth.This with his team.I can't see things improving with MT. Another waste of time season 2024/25. Al Saeed is awful. A rich bloke that does'nt get football,who bought Rovers for his son. Useless nepotism that has made Rovers look like candidates for next seasons 4th tier. Worth remembering that when MT was appointed, there were very few dissenters. He was widely seen by our fanbase as the best candidate for the job. Also worth remembering that MT actually made a good start, with wins against Bolton and Charlton. Is it actually established that the Scouse contingent were disinterested and sulking? Evans had a very good season. We really can't complain about the Al Saeeds. They have given MT unparalleled support. Remember how people used to complain about the Dunfords?
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Post by rideintothesun on Sept 30, 2024 14:44:47 GMT
Why are we constantly extending MTs deadline before we want him out,it should now be obvious to everybody he's the wrong man for the job. BRING BACK HOLLOWAY NOW before it's too late. Nobody is extending it. We originally said 10 games at the start of the season. Holloway turned a top seven side into a relegation side in one season (actually basically the same team, apart from the front two). He claimed that he wasn't financially backed when he was actually given money to spend, and spent it on Micky Evans, Scott Jones and Mark Foran.
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Post by baselswh on Sept 30, 2024 14:50:09 GMT
Afraid we had "our day" with Joe Barton tote-end. Okay,it was to scrape a promotion place back to the 3rd tier,but we did it in amazing style. That team/squad must of been worth many millions of pounds £. Joe had seen Argyle get promoted to the 2nd tier with plenty of experienced players in their ranks.He aimed to try and do the same at Rovers.It was'nt working out,injuries being one reason.He knew it and would of put things right.Thing is Al Saeed did'nt like Bartons style and used our 16th position in October as an excuse to sack him. Then,eventually our non football man owner,in all his wisdom and football nous hired Matt Taylor. The rest of that season was a waste of time,especially for Gasheads. Sulking disinterested Scousers,fed up at their man Bartons sacking and disliking MTs style made it a bloody awful season Now we see Matt Taylor look every bit the PE teacher,out of his depth.This with his team.I can't see things improving with MT. Another waste of time season 2024/25. Al Saeed is awful. A rich bloke that does'nt get football,who bought Rovers for his son. Useless nepotism that has made Rovers look like candidates for next seasons 4th tier. Worth remembering that when MT was appointed, there were very few dissenters. He was widely seen by our fanbase as the best candidate for the job. Also worth remembering that MT actually made a good start, with wins against Bolton and Charlton. Is it actually established that the Scouse contingent were disinterested and sulking? Evans had a very good season. We really can't complain about the Al Saeeds. They have given MT unparalleled support. Remember how people used to complain about the Dunfords? The Al Saeeds sacked a better manager than MT,imo.The owner was'nt a football fan by his own admission.I would prefer a football person,but yes,they've apparently spent some money.Eg,£500,000 on a striker that's poor in the air,not their decision, but the manager they hired. Gasheads were polite enough at first with MT,what choice did they have? Our Scouse contingent left Rovers as soon as possible, did'nt they? That seems a clue.
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Post by russiangas on Sept 30, 2024 17:40:07 GMT
I don't know why anyone is surprised that Taylor is doing so badly with us. He's never really been a good manager anywhere, all I can think of is that he's was really good at talking himself up when he met our owners. I thought they were looking for someone who had taken a team from league one to the championship. He had a bit of success in league two getting Exeter promoted but he hasn't had any success at a higher level. He isn't really a particularly experienced manager full stop. Maybe it was the new owners not really knowing much about football, but he's rubbish, his style is too defensive but doesn't even seem get to get that right, giving balls away straight to the opposition left right and centre. I think if we lose tomorrow he has to go. I worry we'll salvage a draw though and be stuck with him for a few more games. If we are looking for a new manager later in the week I really hope they take some advice from someone who knows what they're doing before appointing another that's just as bad.
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ltdgas
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Post by ltdgas on Oct 1, 2024 7:43:14 GMT
I don't know why anyone is surprised that Taylor is doing so badly with us. He's never really been a good manager anywhere, all I can think of is that he's was really good at talking himself up when he met our owners. I thought they were looking for someone who had taken a team from league one to the championship. He had a bit of success in league two getting Exeter promoted but he hasn't had any success at a higher level. He isn't really a particularly experienced manager full stop. Maybe it was the new owners not really knowing much about football, but he's rubbish, his style is too defensive but doesn't even seem get to get that right, giving balls away straight to the opposition left right and centre. I think if we lose tomorrow he has to go. I worry we'll salvage a draw though and be stuck with him for a few more games. If we are looking for a new manager later in the week I really hope they take some advice from someone who knows what they're doing before appointing another that's just as bad. My thoughts as well
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bloogas
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Post by bloogas on Oct 1, 2024 8:37:09 GMT
I don't know why anyone is surprised that Taylor is doing so badly with us. He's never really been a good manager anywhere, all I can think of is that he's was really good at talking himself up when he met our owners. I thought they were looking for someone who had taken a team from league one to the championship. He had a bit of success in league two getting Exeter promoted but he hasn't had any success at a higher level. He isn't really a particularly experienced manager full stop. Maybe it was the new owners not really knowing much about football, but he's rubbish, his style is too defensive but doesn't even seem get to get that right, giving balls away straight to the opposition left right and centre. I think if we lose tomorrow he has to go. I worry we'll salvage a draw though and be stuck with him for a few more games. If we are looking for a new manager later in the week I really hope they take some advice from someone who knows what they're doing before appointing another that's just as bad. My thoughts as well And I thought I was the only one....
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bluetornados
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Post by bluetornados on Oct 1, 2024 8:56:38 GMT
Exactly 2 years ago today...
On 1st October 2022, following a 2–2 draw with Bristol Rovers, Exeter confirmed that they had given Taylor permission to speak to Rotherham United.
Rotherham United On 3rd October 2022, Taylor was confirmed as the new Rotherham United manager, pending talks. The appointment was made official the following day, Taylor signing a contract with the EFL Championship club until 2026 He was joined by his assistant, Wayne Carlisle, on the same contract terms.
On 13th November 2023, Taylor was sacked with the club sitting in 22nd position.
Bristol Rovers On 1st December 2023, Taylor was appointed manager of League One club Bristol Rovers on a three-and-a-half-year contract.
Matt Taylor BRFC Stats: P42, W13, D6, L23 = 30.95 Win Rate %
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bloogas
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Post by bloogas on Oct 1, 2024 8:58:14 GMT
.[/quote]Worth remembering that when MT was appointed, there were very few dissenters. He was widely seen by our fanbase as the best candidate for the job.
Also worth remembering that MT actually made a good start, with wins against Bolton and Charlton.
Is it actually established that the Scouse contingent were disinterested and sulking? Evans had a very good season.
We really can't complain about the Al Saeeds. They have given MT unparalleled support. Remember how people used to complain about the Dunfords?
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I don't know about few dissenters, but I do remember two very vocal, aggressive posters (might have been the same person) loudly trumpeting about what a great manager MT was, or was going to be. Any dissent was met by abuse from their posts. I had doubts about MT and was dissappointed someone with a better CV wasn't appointed. But felt it was a done deal and give the guy a chance. His first few games were encouraging - then the rot set in away to Wycombe, on Boxing Day /NYD (I can't remember which). My impression was that the players did not sulk and tried to be professional - they simply became disillusioned with MT. Worth remembering that we effectively stayed up due to Chris Martin's goals. Re the Al Saeeds, yes they've given great support to the manager. But to the wrong one.
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harold
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Post by harold on Oct 1, 2024 9:23:13 GMT
Worth remembering that when MT was appointed, there were very few dissenters. He was widely seen by our fanbase as the best candidate for the job. Also worth remembering that MT actually made a good start, with wins against Bolton and Charlton. Is it actually established that the Scouse contingent were disinterested and sulking? Evans had a very good season. We really can't complain about the Al Saeeds. They have given MT unparalleled support. Remember how people used to complain about the Dunfords? The Al Saeeds sacked a better manager than MT,imo.The owner was'nt a football fan by his own admission.I would prefer a football person,but yes,they've apparently spent some money.Eg,£500,000 on a striker that's poor in the air,not their decision, but the manager they hired. Gasheads were polite enough at first with MT,what choice did they have? Our Scouse contingent left Rovers as soon as possible, did'nt they? That seems a clue.
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