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Post by eppinggas on Jul 16, 2024 16:29:19 GMT
Thank God. Southgateball is dead. Quick recap of the how the strongest squad at the Euros and pre-tournament favourites did:
Serbia (ranked 29) 0 England 1.
Denmark (ranked 18) 1 England 1.
England 0 (ranked 62) 0 England 0.
England 2 Slovakia (ranked 54) 1. 1 minute from being knocked out. Moment of genius from Bellingham. His only one in the tournament.
England 1 Switzerland (ranked 12) 1. 10 minutes from being knocked out. Required a 5-3 win on penalties to scrape through.
Netherlands (ranked 6) 1 England 2. It was never a penalty. Never in a million years. Massive helping hand from the German ref.
Spain (ranked 10) 2 England 1. Played off the pitch by the best team in Europe.
Southgate didn't take a fit left back. Trippier & Foden were played out of position. Alexander Arnold experiment in midfield. WTaF?
An obviously unfit, slow Kane starting in every game. Substitutions were always too late. Dull. Turgid. Uninspiring.
Easiest half of the draw (again). Went out against the first quality opposition we faced. As I said we would 5 weeks ago.
Bye Gareth.
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Post by baselswh on Jul 16, 2024 17:43:11 GMT
I agree we with those that say Gareth deserves a lot of respect, his record shows that.
Okay,his style of football was'nt quite Cup winning quality, but we only lost on penalties in a European Final.
He was willing to select form players.
With Gareth, we got close and I say fair play to the bloke for that.
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Post by rideintothesun on Jul 16, 2024 18:00:05 GMT
Thank God. Southgateball is dead. Quick recap of the how the strongest squad at the Euros and pre-tournament favourites did: Serbia (ranked 29) 0 England 1. Denmark (ranked 18) 1 England 1. England 0 (ranked 62) 0 England 0. England 2 Slovakia (ranked 54) 1. 1 minute from being knocked out. Moment of genius from Bellingham. His only one in the tournament. England 1 Switzerland (ranked 12) 1. 10 minutes from being knocked out. Required a 5-3 win on penalties to scrape through. Netherlands (ranked 6) 1 England 2. It was never a penalty. Never in a million years. Massive helping hand from the German ref. Spain (ranked 10) 2 England 1. Played off the pitch by the best team in Europe. Southgate didn't take a fit left back. Trippier & Foden were played out of position. Alexander Arnold experiment in midfield. WTaF? An obviously unfit, slow Kane starting in every game. Substitutions were always too late. Dull. Turgid. Uninspiring. Easiest half of the draw (again). Went out against the first quality opposition we faced. As I said we would 5 weeks ago. Bye Gareth. Let's just say that if that penalty decision against the Netherlands had been the other way round, more than a few people would have been raising questions about the ref's past match-fixing conduct. It also needs to be said just how bad that Dutch team was. Weghorst would look more at home giving donkey rides on W-S-M beach than a football field. I really don't much have much time for this 'played out of position' stuff. We had it ad nauseam when Gerrard was asked to play a slightly different role for England so that Lampard could play a similar role to the one he did for Chelsea. If you are a genuinely top player, you adapt your game. Did Cruyff and the 'Total football' crew ever complain about being played out of position? No - because each one of them could have played in any outfield position to the best of their ability. Cruyff literally could have played at RB. |
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Post by rideintothesun on Jul 16, 2024 18:07:13 GMT
I agree we with those that say Gareth deserves a lot of respect, his record shows that. Okay,his style of football was'nt quite Cup winning quality, but we only lost on penalties in a European Final. He was willing to select form players. With Gareth, we got close and I say fair play to the bloke for that. 🏴 We will never get closer than the Euro final being 1-0 up against a very poor Italy. It's odd that people never mention that Southgate should have maybe gone after this. Went a goal up against Croatia in a WC semi-final and then ended up losing. The defeat against France in the WC which showed how far we were of what was required to compete with the very best teams. The team lacked a winning mentality and consistently bottled it when it mattered. |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 16, 2024 18:24:35 GMT
I agree we with those that say Gareth deserves a lot of respect, his record shows that. Okay,his style of football was'nt quite Cup winning quality, but we only lost on penalties in a European Final. He was willing to select form players. With Gareth, we got close and I say fair play to the bloke for that. 🏴 We will never get closer than the Euro final being 1-0 up against a very poor Italy. It's odd that people never mention that Southgate should have maybe gone after this. Went a goal up against Croatia in a WC semi-final and then ended up losing. The defeat against France in the WC which showed how far we were of what was required to compete with the very best teams. The team lacked a winning mentality and consistently bottled it when it mattered. Yes,I agree RITS.Extremely frustrating on a few occasions. Play players in the position their clubs do and 'have a go' more. |
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Post by rideintothesun on Jul 16, 2024 19:07:08 GMT
We will never get closer than the Euro final being 1-0 up against a very poor Italy. It's odd that people never mention that Southgate should have maybe gone after this. Went a goal up against Croatia in a WC semi-final and then ended up losing. The defeat against France in the WC which showed how far we were of what was required to compete with the very best teams. The team lacked a winning mentality and consistently bottled it when it mattered. Yes,I agree RITS.Extremely frustrating on a few occasions. Play players in the position their clubs do and 'have a go' more. Even in the Croatia and Italy games when the team was leading, I never had a sense that they were in control or they would ultimately prevail. A lack of leaders, guts and determination unfortunately. I would disagree with your second claim. Players have to realise that when they play for the national team, they may have to fill a different role and/or adjust their game. Bellingham is a Real Madrid player, you say? Then he should have no problems filling a more advanced role. And you are telling me that Foden plays for a club manager who shows little or no regard for 'natural' positions and shifts players around the pitch without a second thought? Then what problem should he have with being asked to play more on the left? We've had these debates before, with Gerrard. One of the best players in the world? Then what problem should he have playing on the left of a midfield rather than in his preferred role through the centre? Similarly, can Kane not actually adapt his game for a tournament so that he plays as an out-and-out striker? These are top-level international players FFS. |
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Post by shakes on Jul 16, 2024 21:01:19 GMT
Southgate has underperformed. However, the FA sat back idly and therefore are the biggest culprit to England’s failure.
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Post by lostinspace on Jul 16, 2024 22:02:22 GMT
Dare it be said.....mourihno has been mentioned in the run for the next England manager/ coach.... heaven forbid...
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Post by bluetornados on Jul 17, 2024 8:08:37 GMT
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Post by bluetornados on Jul 17, 2024 8:13:14 GMT
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Post by bluetornados on Jul 17, 2024 8:18:27 GMT
ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/4d67/live/4968f510-3e91-11ef-9e1c-3b4a473456a6.jpgWe would also love to hear your thoughts on who would be your choice as Three Lions boss and why.
Martin, Derby: When Terry Venables was appointed, the FA hired someone who had actually played football to conduct a widespread search for the right manager. The result was a semi-final, England's last before Southgate, and a togetherness that subsequently left when Venables left and did not return until Southgate was appointed. The FA now need to ensure they have lived experience among the decision-making machine. Wearing a suit and being good at administrative tasks are not the qualifications for selecting an England manager. The FA must learn from the past and ensure it has experienced voices in this process. Dan, Surrey: Pep's contract is up next summer and he hasn't committed to a new one. Tie him down and put Lee Carsley in as interim. Then when Pep takes over Carsley stays as his assistant. Let's see if Pep can do it on a rainy night in Moldova! Mike: Pep is an awful shout for the England job. Sure, he's the best there is in club football, but with a national team, he can't dump players in the reserves for a season until they have learned his system.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 17, 2024 10:03:44 GMT
Southgate has underperformed. However, the FA sat back idly and therefore are the biggest culprit to England’s failure. Really, in a results driven game his record stacks up against most previous England managers, 5th overall on win percentages. And apart from Ramsey, who has a better track record from those managers who have managed more than 1 game, at getting to semi-finals and finals? |
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Post by baselswh on Jul 17, 2024 16:50:32 GMT
What about Jurgen Klinsmann for the England job.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2024 17:34:23 GMT
Or Joe Biden?
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Post by shakes on Jul 17, 2024 23:07:18 GMT
Southgate has underperformed. However, the FA sat back idly and therefore are the biggest culprit to England’s failure. Really, in a results driven game his record stacks up against most previous England managers, 5th overall on win percentages. And apart from Ramsey, who has a better track record from those managers who have managed more than 1 game, at getting to semi-finals and finals? A good manager will get the best out of their resources. Individual results are luck. Tournament success can be luck. However, Southgate has had 8 years of terrible dull performances, poor results against stiffer competition and laboured success against poor teams. |
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Post by alftupper on Jul 18, 2024 6:05:21 GMT
"Listen...I`m proud to be the first black female manager of this baseball team. Only the Lord Almighty himself, can prevent us from winning the Superbowl in 2016." |
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Post by rideintothesun on Jul 18, 2024 8:10:26 GMT
"Listen...I`m proud to be the first black female manager of this baseball team. Only the Lord Almighty himself, can prevent us from winning the Superbowl in 2016." Alf, I'm sure you meant this in the best spirit but this isn't appropriate. Biden clearly has a medical condition, and isn't just suffering from a few elderly moments. It isn't okay to joke about it. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 18, 2024 8:10:54 GMT
Thank God. Southgateball is dead. Quick recap of the how the strongest squad at the Euros and pre-tournament favourites did: Serbia (ranked 29) 0 England 1. Denmark (ranked 18) 1 England 1. England 0 (ranked 62) 0 England 0. England 2 Slovakia (ranked 54) 1. 1 minute from being knocked out. Moment of genius from Bellingham. His only one in the tournament. England 1 Switzerland (ranked 12) 1. 10 minutes from being knocked out. Required a 5-3 win on penalties to scrape through. Netherlands (ranked 6) 1 England 2. It was never a penalty. Never in a million years. Massive helping hand from the German ref. Spain (ranked 10) 2 England 1. Played off the pitch by the best team in Europe. Southgate didn't take a fit left back. Trippier & Foden were played out of position. Alexander Arnold experiment in midfield. WTaF? An obviously unfit, slow Kane starting in every game. Substitutions were always too late. Dull. Turgid. Uninspiring. Easiest half of the draw (again). Went out against the first quality opposition we faced. As I said we would 5 weeks ago. Bye Gareth. Blimey epping you really don’t like GS do you? He's done a decent job as good as any of our managers (save Sir Alf) and better than most. 4 tournaments, 2 finals, 1 semi and 1 quarter is a record of consistent achievement. And of course it’s always about fine margins. On Sunday we had those two headed chances near the end, if they’d gone in we’d have taken it to extra time and won on penalties GS could have been a tactical genius but we didn’t so he resigns. But fine margins. As to those that say we lack leadership, guts and determination: on the pitch we didn’t have the leaders that Kane, Rice should be. They both had a poor tournament though Rice had his best game against Spain. But that team could never be accused of lacking guts and determination, they came back from deficits to win several matches when all looked lost. They continually battles back when things went against them. Even on Sunday we could, should have gone into extra time. As Chesh said, in a results business GS produced them, consistently. It seems after we lost everyone wants to accuse the team of lacking any positive things when of course in the end we were the second best team and we just missed out. I hope the people choosing the next England manager are a lot less muddled than some on here! UTG! |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 18, 2024 8:20:53 GMT
Really, in a results driven game his record stacks up against most previous England managers, 5th overall on win percentages. And apart from Ramsey, who has a better track record from those managers who have managed more than 1 game, at getting to semi-finals and finals? A good manager will get the best out of their resources. Individual results are luck. Tournament success can be luck. However, Southgate has had 8 years of terrible dull performances, poor results against stiffer competition and laboured success against poor teams. So basically you are saying, the other England managers have all bar Ramsey been excellent managers but had bad luck. We better find a lucky manager rather than a decent one. Oh, but that's what you are saying Southgate was. Got it! |
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