harrybuckle
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Post by harrybuckle on Nov 9, 2023 17:15:23 GMT
Cash is king once Tom is gone plus hopefully Ticketmaster contract terminated too.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 9, 2023 17:17:43 GMT
TG has removed choice from the fanbase (cashless) and marginalised a section of fans, some of whom have been loyal for years, in the interests of and pursuit of what it costs, when a club like ours and an ageing fanbase it would be proportionately little cost and time to please everyone.
If a business treats it's customers, happy paying customers like this no wonder some of the staff, volunteers, associated fanbase groups (and I've heard) opposition dignitaries have been left by the wayside too.
If flashing a card is convenient for you that's all good and well for you....but spare a thought for some others that struggle with this. Some clubs have opted this way, but once you step outside of bs7, many many other establishments, businesses in all walks of life accept both payments from restaurant to pubs, shopping to public transport.
I know of at least 2 people that struggle with mental health issues (I think one had an iva issue some years ago) and just helps by regulating their expenditure with a note or coin because that's the way they can function....they know the net is closing in slowly - perhaps they won't be around by the time choice is taken away - but hey no one gives a fig as long as TG made the decision that just doesn't affect him.
Or you, reading this, probably.
But there are fans out there that would prefer a choice, they're paying customers not corporate or business busy business folk, they're working people that now have had the choice taken away from them!
Nice one, TG..
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trymer
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Post by trymer on Nov 9, 2023 17:40:16 GMT
I realise that some people dont carry cash now but the manageress in the pub that I have lunch in told me that they have to pay for every card transaction so they prefer cash.
I always have some cash with me and on occasion its been the only option for car park (when machine was broken) and also in the cafe when the card reader was broken,how hard is it to keep a few quid in your wallet with card ?
Things like the 50/50 or collections must have been hard hit by the cashless decision,surely wouldnt be hard to do cash or card ?
Family in Sweden never carry cash because they cant use it there,I make sure they get some when they are here though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2023 18:26:57 GMT
TG has removed choice from the fanbase (cashless) and marginalised a section of fans, some of whom have been loyal for years, in the interests of and pursuit of what it costs, when a club like ours and an ageing fanbase it would be proportionately little cost and time to please everyone. If a business treats it's customers, happy paying customers like this no wonder some of the staff, volunteers, associated fanbase groups (and I've heard) opposition dignitaries have been left by the wayside too. If flashing a card is convenient for you that's all good and well for you....but spare a thought for some others that struggle with this. Some clubs have opted this way, but once you step outside of bs7, many many other establishments, businesses in all walks of life accept both payments from restaurant to pubs, shopping to public transport. I know of at least 2 people that struggle with mental health issues (I think one had an iva issue some years ago) and just helps by regulating their expenditure with a note or coin because that's the way they can function....they know the net is closing in slowly - perhaps they won't be around by the time choice is taken away - but hey no one gives a fig as long as TG made the decision that just doesn't affect him. Or you, reading this, probably. But there are fans out there that would prefer a choice, they're paying customers not corporate or business busy business folk, they're working people that now have had the choice taken away from them! Nice one, TG.. I really struggle with this. Every current account issues a card with it. In old money it was a cheque guarantee card. Is there anybody, anywhere, that writes cheques anymore? That card is now, as a minimum, a chip and pin card, how else does one withdraw cash? Most these days are contactless, what's the issue? The cost of insurance for having cash on site is not insignificant, the cost of daily reconciliation is not insignificant, the cost of banking cash (labour+bank charges) is not insignificant. One, simple, transaction like tapping your card to buy a pint or a pie saves everyone costs and it's easy I mean really, what the very f""k are people on about. |
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alanrg
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Post by alanrg on Nov 9, 2023 18:33:00 GMT
Gloucester County Cricket are cashless
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 9, 2023 18:42:04 GMT
TG has removed choice from the fanbase (cashless) and marginalised a section of fans, some of whom have been loyal for years, in the interests of and pursuit of what it costs, when a club like ours and an ageing fanbase it would be proportionately little cost and time to please everyone. If a business treats it's customers, happy paying customers like this no wonder some of the staff, volunteers, associated fanbase groups (and I've heard) opposition dignitaries have been left by the wayside too. If flashing a card is convenient for you that's all good and well for you....but spare a thought for some others that struggle with this. Some clubs have opted this way, but once you step outside of bs7, many many other establishments, businesses in all walks of life accept both payments from restaurant to pubs, shopping to public transport. I know of at least 2 people that struggle with mental health issues (I think one had an iva issue some years ago) and just helps by regulating their expenditure with a note or coin because that's the way they can function....they know the net is closing in slowly - perhaps they won't be around by the time choice is taken away - but hey no one gives a fig as long as TG made the decision that just doesn't affect him. Or you, reading this, probably. But there are fans out there that would prefer a choice, they're paying customers not corporate or business busy business folk, they're working people that now have had the choice taken away from them! Nice one, TG.. I really struggle with this. Every current account issues a card with it. In old money it was a cheque guarantee card. Is there anybody, anywhere, that writes cheques anymore? That card is now, as a minimum, a chip and pin card, how else does one withdraw cash? Most these days are contactless, what's the issue? The cost of insurance for having cash on site is not insignificant, the cost of daily reconciliation is not insignificant, the cost of banking cash (labour+bank charges) is not insignificant. One, simple, transaction like tapping your card to buy a pint or a pie saves everyone costs and it's easy I mean really, what the very f""k are people on about. That's exactly it... You struggle to understand. But it doesn't make it invalid that some prefer choice of taking a note out and knowing exactly where they stand. Or at least exercising that option if they so wish. The principle of marginalisation of a small proportion of the fanbase is lost on TG and some. But hey as long as it works for them, that's fine. Oh and interesting that the insurance cost for having cash on site, and reconciliation and banking charges are conveniently waived when the systems go down - and they have - more than once! |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 9, 2023 18:42:51 GMT
Gloucester County Cricket are cashless The Sportsman and Annexe restaurant and bars, aren't. |
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trymer
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Post by trymer on Nov 9, 2023 18:44:05 GMT
TG has removed choice from the fanbase (cashless) and marginalised a section of fans, some of whom have been loyal for years, in the interests of and pursuit of what it costs, when a club like ours and an ageing fanbase it would be proportionately little cost and time to please everyone. If a business treats it's customers, happy paying customers like this no wonder some of the staff, volunteers, associated fanbase groups (and I've heard) opposition dignitaries have been left by the wayside too. If flashing a card is convenient for you that's all good and well for you....but spare a thought for some others that struggle with this. Some clubs have opted this way, but once you step outside of bs7, many many other establishments, businesses in all walks of life accept both payments from restaurant to pubs, shopping to public transport. I know of at least 2 people that struggle with mental health issues (I think one had an iva issue some years ago) and just helps by regulating their expenditure with a note or coin because that's the way they can function....they know the net is closing in slowly - perhaps they won't be around by the time choice is taken away - but hey no one gives a fig as long as TG made the decision that just doesn't affect him. Or you, reading this, probably. But there are fans out there that would prefer a choice, they're paying customers not corporate or business busy business folk, they're working people that now have had the choice taken away from them! Nice one, TG.. A good point about IVA's,some people are just hopeless with money its not their fault its just how they are,on Radio 4 recently they said the amount of cash being used had gone up for the first time in years because a lot of people found it easier to budget by using cash. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 9, 2023 18:47:42 GMT
TG has removed choice from the fanbase (cashless) and marginalised a section of fans, some of whom have been loyal for years, in the interests of and pursuit of what it costs, when a club like ours and an ageing fanbase it would be proportionately little cost and time to please everyone. If a business treats it's customers, happy paying customers like this no wonder some of the staff, volunteers, associated fanbase groups (and I've heard) opposition dignitaries have been left by the wayside too. If flashing a card is convenient for you that's all good and well for you....but spare a thought for some others that struggle with this. Some clubs have opted this way, but once you step outside of bs7, many many other establishments, businesses in all walks of life accept both payments from restaurant to pubs, shopping to public transport. I know of at least 2 people that struggle with mental health issues (I think one had an iva issue some years ago) and just helps by regulating their expenditure with a note or coin because that's the way they can function....they know the net is closing in slowly - perhaps they won't be around by the time choice is taken away - but hey no one gives a fig as long as TG made the decision that just doesn't affect him. Or you, reading this, probably. But there are fans out there that would prefer a choice, they're paying customers not corporate or business busy business folk, they're working people that now have had the choice taken away from them! Nice one, TG.. A good point about IVA's,some people are just hopeless with money its not their fault its just how they are,on Radio 4 recently they said the amount of cash being used had gone up for the first time in years because a lot of people found it easier to budget by using cash. Good post. I know one fella at work....not Gas related....that has his wages paid into his wife's account and she regulates his spending and their bill paying! I mean, imagine that? That would be a horror life for some! But after all the ridicule (he's actually quite brave disclosing this) he shrugs his shoulders and readily admits he's cr@p with numbers and money. A new world for me. I never knew these sort of people existed. |
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Post by One F in Dunford on Nov 9, 2023 19:00:41 GMT
Gloucester County Cricket are cashless The Sportsman and Annexe restaurant and bars, aren't. Genuine question: Are they anything to do with GCCC or just local to them? |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 9, 2023 19:13:37 GMT
The Sportsman and Annexe restaurant and bars, aren't. Genuine question: Are they anything to do with GCCC or just local to them? Just local to them as far as I know....my point being as one business is cashless, the one next to it, isn't. The Sportsman sponsored Rovers for many years before it won the prestigious 1883 top prize of being front of shirt (another thing TG done away with, do you ever hear of the prestige of being an 1883 member anymore?....nope, nor me!)....they put many a £ in before and after Trash and local businesses turned their back on Rovers. Quite a lot of their revenue over the years was generated by.......cash. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2023 19:17:54 GMT
I really struggle with this. Every current account issues a card with it. In old money it was a cheque guarantee card. Is there anybody, anywhere, that writes cheques anymore? That card is now, as a minimum, a chip and pin card, how else does one withdraw cash? Most these days are contactless, what's the issue? The cost of insurance for having cash on site is not insignificant, the cost of daily reconciliation is not insignificant, the cost of banking cash (labour+bank charges) is not insignificant. One, simple, transaction like tapping your card to buy a pint or a pie saves everyone costs and it's easy I mean really, what the very f""k are people on about. That's exactly it... You struggle to understand. But it doesn't make it invalid that some prefer choice of taking a note out and knowing exactly where they stand. Or at least exercising that option if they so wish. The principle of marginalisation of a small proportion of the fanbase is lost on TG and some. But hey as long as it works for them, that's fine. Oh and interesting that the insurance cost for having cash on site, and reconciliation and banking charges are conveniently waived when the systems go down - and they have - more than once! On the last point, of course. But they are not waived, they are born by the retailer. Nobody is marginalising anyone because nobody is denied access. It's a choice. Why should the retailer or other members of the public bare costs driven by the choice of an absolute minority? Taking this to it's silliest outcome, should we allow for cheques to be written at the point of purchase? If not, why not? There is a solution to this, the retailer could add 10p per transaction for cash payments. There you are, choice. |
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trymer
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Post by trymer on Nov 9, 2023 19:29:50 GMT
A good point about IVA's,some people are just hopeless with money its not their fault its just how they are,on Radio 4 recently they said the amount of cash being used had gone up for the first time in years because a lot of people found it easier to budget by using cash. Good post. I know one fella at work....not Gas related....that has his wages paid into his wife's account and she regulates his spending and their bill paying! I mean, imagine that? That would be a horror life for some! But after all the ridicule (he's actually quite brave disclosing this) he shrugs his shoulders and readily admits he's cr@p with numbers and money. A new world for me. I never knew these sort of people existed. There are lots of people like that,not trying to out do you but a bloke I worked with used to take a few days holiday (or sick) before payday as he didnt have money for fuel/bus fare,he told me that he couldnt afford to have the heating on so he had to stay in bed to stay warm. This is the sort of thing that should be taught at school,far more use than learning the chemical symbol for inert gases etc. Years ago I was weekly paid (or weakly paid as I told my manager) when we finally went to monthly pay several blokes found that their money didnt last the month,they worked on 4 weeks per month which meant that they were short of 4 weeks money over a year. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 9, 2023 19:30:00 GMT
That's exactly it... You struggle to understand. But it doesn't make it invalid that some prefer choice of taking a note out and knowing exactly where they stand. Or at least exercising that option if they so wish. The principle of marginalisation of a small proportion of the fanbase is lost on TG and some. But hey as long as it works for them, that's fine. Oh and interesting that the insurance cost for having cash on site, and reconciliation and banking charges are conveniently waived when the systems go down - and they have - more than once! On the last point, of course. But they are not waived, they are born by the retailer. Nobody is marginalising anyone because nobody is denied access. It's a choice. Why should the retailer or other members of the public bare costs driven by the choice of an absolute minority? Taking this to it's silliest outcome, should we allow for cheques to be written at the point of purchase? If not, why not? There is a solution to this, the retailer could add 10p per transaction for cash payments. There you are, choice. That's one option, to pop a few pence on to pay....I think most of the rubbish add ones are easily hideable or offset by a decent accountant or finance fiend....but that's not my area of expertise. The fact is, the club can take cash payments, because they do when they choose, like the systems go down.....so it certainly does feel like a marginalisation as if you ain't on the card, you ain't getting in. The cheque argument....hmmmm do you think people were writing into the Pink un or Green un complaining about this back in the day and we are regurgitating it in a new fangled update of tech? My over all point of TG is he cannot be described as inclusive and (to some) treat the customer base as a commodity. Like I said above, if it don't affect you you probably won't care but that doesn't take away the facts my old friend... |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 9, 2023 19:36:55 GMT
Good post. I know one fella at work....not Gas related....that has his wages paid into his wife's account and she regulates his spending and their bill paying! I mean, imagine that? That would be a horror life for some! But after all the ridicule (he's actually quite brave disclosing this) he shrugs his shoulders and readily admits he's cr@p with numbers and money. A new world for me. I never knew these sort of people existed. There are lots of people like that,not trying to out do you but a bloke I worked with used to take a few days holiday (or sick) before payday as he didnt have money for fuel/bus fare,he told me that he couldnt afford to have the heating on so he had to stay in bed to stay warm. This is the sort of thing that should be taught at school,far more use than learning the chemical symbol for inert gases etc. Years ago I was weekly paid (or weakly paid as I told my manager) when we finally went to monthly pay several blokes found that their money didnt last the month,they worked on 4 weeks per month which meant that they were short of 4 weeks money over a year. Wow....not surprised. Good post where I don't like that it happens but like that you've posted it . Unfortunately, (and I am lucky I am not in that zone) these unpalatable subjects and anecdotes aren't easily talked about or discussed in polite society.... it's just easier to forget it and flash your card - kerching! - and no one questions the butcombe bar charging £5 for a lime and soda until they sat down! ? And the ignorance is bliss continues. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 9, 2023 19:40:11 GMT
Good post. I know one fella at work....not Gas related....that has his wages paid into his wife's account and she regulates his spending and their bill paying! I mean, imagine that? That would be a horror life for some! But after all the ridicule (he's actually quite brave disclosing this) he shrugs his shoulders and readily admits he's cr@p with numbers and money. A new world for me. I never knew these sort of people existed. learning the chemical symbol for inert gases ... Is that Tg on the periodic table? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2023 19:44:33 GMT
I know one fella at work....not Gas related....that has his wages paid into his wife's account and she regulates his spending and their bill paying! Is this uncommon? I know plenty of men whose wives run their married finances, even when only the husband is earning. There's no shame in knowing your wife is better with the maths and forward planning, and less reckless than you are! |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 9, 2023 19:50:06 GMT
I know one fella at work....not Gas related....that has his wages paid into his wife's account and she regulates his spending and their bill paying! Is this uncommon? I know plenty of men whose wives run their married finances, even when only the husband is earning. There's no shame in knowing your wife is better with the maths and forward planning, and less reckless than you are! I think even if it's not uncommon, disclosing it in a macho prism environment might be. The gesture of no cash hardly helps these sorts of situations. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2023 19:55:36 GMT
I dislike cash, myself, but I think one ought to understand the perspective of those who prefer it, for various reasons. I can see the argument for a cashfree Mem, though.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 9, 2023 20:07:42 GMT
I dislike cash, myself, but I think one ought to understand the perspective of those who prefer it, for various reasons. I can see the argument for a cashfree Mem, though. Fair post as ever from feathery pillow pal. The beauty is: Mem has genuinely lost a few quid, probably made more for greedy TG, but definitely lost some because a merry band or two choose to take their custom elsewhere....and pay their chosen way, in a chosen venue. So imagine the glee for some, that somewhere like the fruit market isn't going ahead because the meglamaniac TG wanted a complete sweep captive audience of cashless with no diverse options nearby.....he ain't getting it all now! |
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