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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Sept 2, 2023 0:57:12 GMT
I’m sat on the fence over this. I was ok with the return of Jonno but I always have reservations about 2nd timers, particularly strikers. For me the plus points are now ; 1) we have serious cash to spend for the first time in a long long time. 2) We are showing real intent on getting out of L1 this, or next season. With Jonno at 27 we were obviously looking for him to help catapult us to the top, rather than a future investment. I hope this does not backfire on morale, and hope that the deal not being concluded was an error of Rovers admin, and hope that letting Loft go does not leave us short up top and scrambling for replacements. A lot of hopes!. Me too. No guarantee that he’d be as successful here second time around and usually returnees don’t work out quite so well. However his track record with Posh is good. He always looks to me as if he is carrying a bit of excess timber too and I reckon Barton would need a season to get him fit enough by his standards. He is 29 now btw. Although he would have given us a different option to what we already have, we ought to have enough goals in the team between Aaza, Marquis, Brown and if necessary Sinclair Don’t think Loft moving on isa bad thing either. Not convinced he is league standard - good luck to the lad though. |
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Post by russiangas on Sept 2, 2023 1:03:11 GMT
Reminds me of a few years ago when everyone was obsessed with us having to sign Jon Jo the tool, we signed him but then not long after he turned out to be not such a great signing after all. They were obviously putting all the eggs in one basket and in the process didn't have any alternative possible strikers lined up so we're now without a proven goal scorer again. As someone else mentioned Barton doesn't seem to have any talent in developing talent. Think of what Clarke did with Matty Taylor for example, he took someone who wasn't scoring goals into a player that went on to be poached by our richer rivals. I can't see that with Barton in the helm the club is going anywhere beyond surviving in league one, but even that may not work out. If the new owners want to make the club sustainable then surely the first thing we need to do is get rid of the charlatan Barton who clearly thinks himself as being something much greater than he is.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Sept 2, 2023 5:28:30 GMT
The long fanfare that finished in a wet fart
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Post by blackadder on Sept 2, 2023 5:53:37 GMT
Let’s not forget he thought he was to good for rovers . You could see this on the pitch he expected the ball to come to him .
I would not call him a hard working forward , but a good finisher
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Post by TaiwanGas on Sept 2, 2023 6:16:47 GMT
I’m sat on the fence over this. I was ok with the return of Jonno but I always have reservations about 2nd timers, particularly strikers. For me the plus points are now ; 1) we have serious cash to spend for the first time in a long long time. 2) We are showing real intent on getting out of L1 this, or next season. With Jonno at 27 we were obviously looking for him to help catapult us to the top, rather than a future investment. I hope this does not backfire on morale, and hope that the deal not being concluded was an error of Rovers admin, and hope that letting Loft go does not leave us short up top and scrambling for replacements. A lot of hopes!. Me too. No guarantee that he’d be as successful here second time around and usually returnees don’t work out quite so well. However his track record with Posh is good. He always looks to me as if he is carrying a bit of excess timber too and I reckon Barton would need a season to get him fit enough by his standards. He is 29 now btw. Although he would have given us a different option to what we already have, we ought to have enough goals in the team between Aaza, Marquis, Brown and if necessary Sinclair Don’t think Loft moving on isa bad thing either. Not convinced he is league standard - good luck to the lad though. Oh, Jonno is 29 now, that caught me out. I agree with you, sometimes you have to focus on what you have, and not what you want, Aaza, Marquis and Brown are a more than capable strike trio at this level, the fact that they are misfiring is what we should be concentrating on, not looking for alternative 29 year olds costing a million. Good luck to Loft from me as well, has not put a foot wrong and tried his heart out whenever sent on. |
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Post by TaiwanGas on Sept 2, 2023 6:18:02 GMT
Let’s not forget he thought he was to good for rovers . You could see this on the pitch he expected the ball to come to him . I would not call him a hard working forward , but a good finisher Yes, exactly. |
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Post by rideintothesun on Sept 2, 2023 6:38:05 GMT
Let’s not forget he thought he was to good for rovers . You could see this on the pitch he expected the ball to come to him . I would not call him a hard working forward , but a good finisher He was too good for that team. However, he also appears to be too good for L1 but not good enough for the championship. I have a nagging suspicion this may have been a PR stunt. The fact that MacAnthony openly identified Wael at an early stage (which is quite unusual in transfer dealings), the highly publicized nature of the bid (including MacAnthony's 'teasing' on social media)and the convergence of Barton and MacAnthony around a shared imperative of perpetual and never-ending media exposure makes me think this could well be the case. |
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Post by rideintothesun on Sept 2, 2023 6:40:57 GMT
Me too. No guarantee that he’d be as successful here second time around and usually returnees don’t work out quite so well. However his track record with Posh is good. He always looks to me as if he is carrying a bit of excess timber too and I reckon Barton would need a season to get him fit enough by his standards. He is 29 now btw. Although he would have given us a different option to what we already have, we ought to have enough goals in the team between Aaza, Marquis, Brown and if necessary Sinclair Don’t think Loft moving on isa bad thing either. Not convinced he is league standard - good luck to the lad though. Oh, Jonno is 29 now, that caught me out. I agree with you, sometimes you have to focus on what you have, and not what you want, Aaza, Marquis and Brown are a more than capable strike trio at this level, the fact that they are misfiring is what we should be concentrating on, not looking for alternative 29 year olds costing a million. Good luck to Loft from me as well, has not put a foot wrong and tried his heart out whenever sent on. I agree on Marquis and think we should persevere with him as our main striker....in any case, its not like we have a choice. |
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Post by harrybuckle on Sept 2, 2023 6:56:54 GMT
Need to recall Harvey Greenslade from Truro City and give him an opportunity like we did Marcus Stewart at his age scoring against Tranmere Rovers at his age and see what a fantastic career he realised.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Sept 2, 2023 7:02:39 GMT
Barton never gives Marquis a run of games. Most players - especially strikers - need that to hit a rich vein of form. Saw it just after Christmas last season when Barton praised Marquis for working hard in training and meeting the fitness levels he demands, started scoring goals for fun including winning the game for us at Charlton from the bench and was then dropped for bit part appearances thereafter.
My view is that the problem is that Barton thinks he is a tactical genius and keeps tinkering with the line up in most matches. It either works well and he changes it mid match and the wheels fall off or it doesn't and we are then facing an uphill battle to salvage something from the game.
He reminds me a bit of DC with every game a different project when things started to unravel - but with much less charm and without the 2 years of success DC had doing it. DC also had a core group of players around which he made changes. I’m not sure Barton has/does this
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Sept 2, 2023 7:04:49 GMT
Need to recall Harvey Greenslade from Truro City and give him an opportunity like we did Marcus Stewart at his age scoring against Tranmere Rovers at his age and see what a fantastic career he realised. I would also be giving Ryan Jones opportunities too |
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Post by harrybuckle on Sept 2, 2023 7:11:35 GMT
To be honest we may get jch for free in June. The good news is we kept Collins and Belshaw?
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Sept 2, 2023 7:18:59 GMT
Let’s not forget he thought he was to good for rovers . You could see this on the pitch he expected the ball to come to him . I would not call him a hard working forward , but a good finisher He was too good for that team. However, he also appears to be too good for L1 but not good enough for the championship. I have a nagging suspicion this may have been a PR stunt. The fact that MacAnthony openly identified Wael at an early stage (which is quite unusual in transfer dealings), the highly publicized nature of the bid (including MacAnthony's 'teasing' on social media)and the convergence of Barton and MacAnthony around a shared imperative of perpetual and never-ending media exposure makes me think this could well be the case. It also offers Barton a convenient excuse if he doesn’t deliver a good season this time around - the club didn’t back me. Feels awfully like another gambler’s fix - if I only had X i’d be able to forge a winning team. A good manager would get the best from the hand they hold not twist at every opportunity |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Sept 2, 2023 7:20:55 GMT
To be honest we may get jch for free in June. The good news is we kept Collins and Belshaw? Also possible we could strike a better deal in Jan |
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Post by The Concept on Sept 2, 2023 7:42:20 GMT
Until the last couple of days I've been reading we have "Our best squad ever."
Now we've missed out on signing one player people are now saying we'll finish 15th, 17th etc.
So "Our best squad ever" is going to end the season in the bottom half of the 3rd Tier???
And I'm also reading that we've now only got one striker???
When we've actually got:
- Collins = Joint 7th highest scorer last season (having been top halfway through); joint 3rd in top assists last season; valued at well over a million.
- Brown = 12 goals and 9 assists in only 27 league appearances last season.
- Marquis = experienced centre-forward, and known goal scorer.
- Then add in several other attacking players such as: Sinclair; Thomas, and Evans.
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Post by harrybuckle on Sept 2, 2023 7:43:30 GMT
Lets move i know its not easy to say but no doubt JB will explain after the Lincoln victory ..that we don't need another striker after a double hat-trick from Collins & Marquis we owe Imps six goals!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 7:51:12 GMT
You couldn’t make this s**t up.
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Post by syg on Sept 2, 2023 7:59:23 GMT
So they loan him to us until the next trsfr window. It's not as if he wants to be at peteboro.
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Post by manchestergas on Sept 2, 2023 8:07:54 GMT
Loan window closed.
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 2, 2023 8:12:05 GMT
Bristol Rovers fail to complete Jonson Clarke-Harris signing in time as deal collapses..by Daniel Hargraves.
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JCH scored 27 goals in 52 games for RoversBristol Rovers have been unable to secure club-record deal to re-sign striker Jonson Clarke-Harris after the necessary paperwork to complete the deal was not filed in time with the EFL before the 11pm deadline last night, Bristol Live understands. It is understood that the Gas had agreed what would have been a club-record transfer fee with Peterborough United in the region of £800,000 plus add-ons, although there was concern that a deal wouldn't have been completed in time with the clock ticking. Unlike in the Premier League, EFL clubs cannot submit deal sheets for deals that look set to go on beyond the 11pm deadline, meaning that any paperwork filed past the cut-off point is deemed as invalid. The Posh striker had travelled via taxi to The Quarters from a hotel in Portsmouth where Peterborough were staying ahead of their match away at Pompey on Saturday afternoon but there wasn't enough time to get the deal completed. Rovers have also sold striker Ryan Loft to fellow League One outfit Port Vale for an undisclosed fee with the deal sanctioned amongst the assumption that Clarke-Harris would be a Gas player once again by the end of the window. The collapse is a hefty blow after what had previously been widely seen as an excellent transfer window with Joey Barton's squad seeing 12 new recruits come through the door. However, it had been seen as though bringing a striker in was the final piece of the jigsaw.
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