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Post by trymer on Sept 27, 2024 7:44:27 GMT
Try Pilates, sorted my back problems out, give it a try and do 2 lessons a week for 5 weeks , I have told a lot of people who suffer with back problems to try this and the ones that did agree that its helped them. I do half an hour of stretching exercises every morning and at least 2 pilates classes a week sometimes 3, I also do a 40 minute cardio workout before each pilates class to warm up and on 2 other days I do an 1 hour 45 minute workout that I have made up which includes cardio,stretching, weights and core work plus I am out with the dogs 2 to 3 hours every day...good job that I am economically inactive as theres no time left for work. I dont road run any more as I think that leads to joint problems (ankle,knees ,hips) and back problems,also I dont do heavy weights as virtually everyone i know who did weight training now has shoulder problems with their rotator cuffs. Weight....its calories taken in vs calories burnt off (as you know) the problem that i find is after a cardio session i am craving carbohydrates but at the moment i am doing ok...a 2 week illness over the winter will put me back 2 months though.... Sorry for late reply Trymer,thanks for nice message .I've been working me crazy hours, my apologies just got home, back in at 3pm until 1am. Can I ask you how old you are? I'm 43 in November. I'm starting the carnivore diet when I next get paid this week, as I'm budgeting like hell to buy a house/flat so giving myself £5 - £10 a day in order not to over spend. 😂 I've been told it is great for ligaments,and joints etc...Im going to do an online shop and try it for a month starting next week, well in 8 days time that is. Problem is, I eat balanced anyway,not much junk food at all, only vice is alcohol.2/4 times a week, between 2-5 cans post work.Too much I know, I can easily give it up, empty calories. I might give pilates a go, I've been wanting to try yoga.Have you ever heard of DDP yoga? It was created by an ex pro professional wrestler called DDP, and it's been a great success with many stories. I need a knee replacement due to a ligament damage I had when 16 playing football.That plus lots of running ( between 2005 - 2013, I was running up to 13 miles 4/5 times a week, so now my joints are hammered post Covid. I used to do HITT all the time at the gym, 1min full out, 1 min rest. Sometimes for 45-60 mins. I know I'm unlikely to be able to get back to that right now, but I was doing this only 3 years ago before I was hospitalized during the pandemic in December 2020. Im going to transfer my gym membership to a gym closer to where I work, plus maybe start swimming at Kingswood sports centre as it will be easier on the joints! I want to get down to ,11-12 stone ,but ripped.As I said, Im a bulky f**ker as I have alot of muscle still on me,it's just covered with fat! 😂 Thanks again..! 👍 I have spoken to a nurse in our dog walking group,she takes magnesium for her joints,she says that a lot of the girls that she works with take it too and that it also helps with sleeping but you mustnt take too much,she takes 2 tablets a day. I spoke to another nurse who goes to my pilates class,she recommends magnesium for joints too,she is a health/fitness fanatic,she recommends the cross trainer and rower rather than running (i go along with that) but she says that the best exercise is Aquarobics ! |
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Post by Icegas on Sept 27, 2024 9:21:34 GMT
Sorry for late reply Trymer,thanks for nice message .I've been working me crazy hours, my apologies just got home, back in at 3pm until 1am. Can I ask you how old you are? I'm 43 in November. I'm starting the carnivore diet when I next get paid this week, as I'm budgeting like hell to buy a house/flat so giving myself £5 - £10 a day in order not to over spend. 😂 I've been told it is great for ligaments,and joints etc...Im going to do an online shop and try it for a month starting next week, well in 8 days time that is. Problem is, I eat balanced anyway,not much junk food at all, only vice is alcohol.2/4 times a week, between 2-5 cans post work.Too much I know, I can easily give it up, empty calories. I might give pilates a go, I've been wanting to try yoga.Have you ever heard of DDP yoga? It was created by an ex pro professional wrestler called DDP, and it's been a great success with many stories. I need a knee replacement due to a ligament damage I had when 16 playing football.That plus lots of running ( between 2005 - 2013, I was running up to 13 miles 4/5 times a week, so now my joints are hammered post Covid. I used to do HITT all the time at the gym, 1min full out, 1 min rest. Sometimes for 45-60 mins. I know I'm unlikely to be able to get back to that right now, but I was doing this only 3 years ago before I was hospitalized during the pandemic in December 2020. Im going to transfer my gym membership to a gym closer to where I work, plus maybe start swimming at Kingswood sports centre as it will be easier on the joints! I want to get down to ,11-12 stone ,but ripped.As I said, Im a bulky f**ker as I have alot of muscle still on me,it's just covered with fat! 😂 Thanks again..! 👍 I have spoken to a nurse in our dog walking group,she takes magnesium for her joints,she says that a lot of the girls that she works with take it too and that it also helps with sleeping but you mustnt take too much,she takes 2 tablets a day. I spoke to another nurse who goes to my pilates class,she recommends magnesium for joints too,she is a health/fitness fanatic,she recommends the cross trainer and rower rather than running (i go along with that) but she says that the best exercise is Aquarobics ! I was going to boots before work today anyway, so I might try some magnesium. 👍 Cardio wise, I'm going to use the stepper, cross trainer and bike, while swimming a couple of times a week also. |
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Post by trymer on Oct 8, 2024 8:31:50 GMT
I saw some recent pictures of Wayne Rooney and he has slobbed out since he stopped playing and training,he has always had to watch his weight but it looks like he needs to be more disciplined and maybe speak to a dietician.
I have noticed that some sportsmen do really go downhill physically once they retire from sport,Larry Lloyd and razor Ruddock were extreme examples,maybe people carry on eating the same but without training every day the weight piles on ?
With the winter months approaching I think that a lot of people (maybe most people) gain weight,whether we eat more or maybe dont go outside so much in the wet weather ? i still walk the dogs whether its wet or cold especially now with the puppy as he is so high energy, probably i eat more although I always try to stick to no carbs after 6 at night.
I saw a short video of Bernard Manning recently and i was shocked ! not because of the jokes he told (which definitely wouldnt be allowed on TV now) but because he was a big fat bloke back then but nowadays he wouldnt stand out now from half the male population of the country.
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Post by bluetornados on Oct 8, 2024 13:50:28 GMT
I saw some recent pictures of Wayne Rooney and he has slobbed out since he stopped playing and training,he has always had to watch his weight but it looks like he needs to be more disciplined and maybe speak to a dietician. I have noticed that some sportsmen do really go downhill physically once they retire from sport,Larry Lloyd and razor Ruddock were extreme examples,maybe people carry on eating the same but without training every day the weight piles on ? With the winter months approaching I think that a lot of people (maybe most people) gain weight,whether we eat more or maybe dont go outside so much in the wet weather ? i still walk the dogs whether its wet or cold especially now with the puppy as he is so high energy, probably i eat more although I always try to stick to no carbs after 6 at night. I saw a short video of Bernard Manning recently and i was shocked ! not because of the jokes he told (which definitely wouldnt be allowed on TV now) but because he was a big fat bloke back then but nowadays he wouldnt stand out now from half the male population of the country.
Wiki: When at Coventry City, Quinn was nicknamed 'Sumo' and famously quoted that he was the Premier League's "fastest player over a yard". Quinn attracted the crowd chant of "Who Ate All the Pies?" due to his physique, which he used as the title of his 2003 autobiography. During his early days at Coventry, when he was in good goalscoring form, the affectionate chant "he's fat, he's round; he scores on every ground" was sung by fans. Other nicknames included "Sumo", "Hippofatamus", and "Bob", from football fans who claimed that he bore a physical resemblance to the television entertainer Bob Carolgees. Another nickname was the Mighty Quinn, another reference to his physique, from the song written by Bob Dylan. |
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Post by trymer on Oct 9, 2024 18:08:29 GMT
I saw some recent pictures of Wayne Rooney and he has slobbed out since he stopped playing and training,he has always had to watch his weight but it looks like he needs to be more disciplined and maybe speak to a dietician. I have noticed that some sportsmen do really go downhill physically once they retire from sport,Larry Lloyd and razor Ruddock were extreme examples,maybe people carry on eating the same but without training every day the weight piles on ? With the winter months approaching I think that a lot of people (maybe most people) gain weight,whether we eat more or maybe dont go outside so much in the wet weather ? i still walk the dogs whether its wet or cold especially now with the puppy as he is so high energy, probably i eat more although I always try to stick to no carbs after 6 at night. I saw a short video of Bernard Manning recently and i was shocked ! not because of the jokes he told (which definitely wouldnt be allowed on TV now) but because he was a big fat bloke back then but nowadays he wouldnt stand out now from half the male population of the country.
Wiki: When at Coventry City, Quinn was nicknamed 'Sumo' and famously quoted that he was the Premier League's "fastest player over a yard". Quinn attracted the crowd chant of "Who Ate All the Pies?" due to his physique, which he used as the title of his 2003 autobiography. During his early days at Coventry, when he was in good goalscoring form, the affectionate chant "he's fat, he's round; he scores on every ground" was sung by fans. Other nicknames included "Sumo", "Hippofatamus", and "Bob", from football fans who claimed that he bore a physical resemblance to the television entertainer Bob Carolgees. Another nickname was the Mighty Quinn, another reference to his physique, from the song written by Bob Dylan. Yes Quinn was a big lad but he certainly scored some goals,another one who looked overweight when he played was Sammy Lee (Liverpool) he always looked like he might have a heart attack. Another one who stacked weight on once he retired from playing was Alan Brazil. |
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Post by lostinspace on Oct 9, 2024 18:15:27 GMT
Thought of Micky Quinn when i read this...
Wiki: When at Coventry City, Quinn was nicknamed 'Sumo' and famously quoted that he was the Premier League's "fastest player over a yard". Quinn attracted the crowd chant of "Who Ate All the Pies?" due to his physique, which he used as the title of his 2003 autobiography. During his early days at Coventry, when he was in good goalscoring form, the affectionate chant "he's fat, he's round; he scores on every ground" was sung by fans. Other nicknames included "Sumo", "Hippofatamus", and "Bob", from football fans who claimed that he bore a physical resemblance to the television entertainer Bob Carolgees. Another nickname was the Mighty Quinn, another reference to his physique, from the song written by Bob Dylan. Yes Quinn was a big lad but he certainly scored some goals,another one who looked overweight when he played was Sammy Lee (Liverpool) he always looked like he might have a heart attack. Another one who stacked weight on once he retired from playing was Alan Brazil. Peter Beardsley was also one who's physical stature didn't help him when he finished playing |
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Post by trymer on Oct 9, 2024 18:17:57 GMT
Yes Quinn was a big lad but he certainly scored some goals,another one who looked overweight when he played was Sammy Lee (Liverpool) he always looked like he might have a heart attack. Another one who stacked weight on once he retired from playing was Alan Brazil. Peter Beardsley was also one who's physical stature didn't help him when he finished playing I wonder if its because injuries that they have suffered in their football career stops them from exercising once they retire ? lots of them seem to have knee problems. |
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Post by bluetornados on Oct 15, 2024 8:25:45 GMT
Labour plan to give the unemployed Free Ozempic: Plan to hand fat jabs to jobless obese to help them back to work and to 'ease the NHS & economy'..by Ruth Comerford
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Wes Streeting believes the latest generation of weight-loss medicine could have a 'monumental' impact on obesity in the UKProposals to give weight loss jabs to unemployed people living with obesity could be "very important for our economy" and health, the prime minister told the BBC. Sir Keir Starmer's comments came after the Health Secretary Wes Streeting said these jabs could be given to help people get back into work. Streeting suggested the latest generation of medicines including Ozempic and Mounjaro could be "life changing" for individuals and would ease pressure on the NHS. "Our widening waistbands are also placing significant burden on our health service," he said in an opinion piece for the Telegraph, external. "The long-term benefits of these drugs could be monumental in our approach to tackling obesity." Illnesses relating to obesity cost the NHS £11bn a year, Streeting said. His words came as the government announced a £279 million investment from Lilly, the world's largest pharmaceutical company, at an international investment summit hosted by Sir Keir. i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/14/15/76592639-0-Under_current_guidelines_only_those_with_type_2_diabetes_who_do_-a-1_1728917413858.jpgObesity jabs will be tested and made in the UK under Government plans to shore up NHS supplies and tackle the nation's bulging waist lines Following Streeting's comments in the Telegraph, Sir Keir told BBC News the drug would be "very helpful" to people who want and need to lose weight, and "very important for the economy so people can get back into work". He added it was "very important for the NHS", explaining that while more money is needed for the health system, the government has also got to "reduce the pressure" on it. The plans announced at the summit will include real-world trials of weight-loss jabs’ impact on worklessness, the Telegraph reported. A study by Health Innovation Manchester and Lilly will examine whether being put on the drugs will reduce worklessness and the impact on NHS service use, and will take place in Greater Manchester. The health secretary added the weight-loss injections could benefit the economy too, reducing the number of sick days caused by obesity. "Illness caused by obesity causes people to take an extra four sick days a year on average, while many others are forced out of work altogether," he said. However, individuals will still need to remain responsible for taking "healthy living more seriously", as the "NHS can't be expected to always pick up the tab for unhealthy lifestyles", he said. "As a country, we’re eating more, eating less healthily and exercising less. The costs to the individual are clear – a less healthy and shorter life." Ozempic is among weight loss medicines already available on the NHS for people with obesity, under certain conditions. It comes in the form of an injection and mimics the hormone GLP-1, making people feel fuller and less hungry. Experts have warned in the past that the drug is not a quick fix or a replacement for eating well and exercising, and should only be offered under medical supervision. Amanda Pritchard, the chief executive of the NHS, said the drugs would be a "game-changer" for public health and could reduce the risk of diabetes, heart attacks and strokes. David A Ricks, the chairman and chief executive of Lilly, said: “We welcome this opportunity to partner with the UK Government on tackling and preventing disease, and accelerating innovation to advance care delivery models.”
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 15, 2024 8:52:22 GMT
"Streeting suggested the latest generation of medicines including Ozempic and Mounjaro could be "life changing" for individuals and would ease pressure on the NHS.
"Our widening waistbands are also placing significant burden on our health service," he said in an opinion piece for the Telegraph, external.
"The long-term benefits of these drugs could be monumental in our approach to tackling obesity."
Illnesses relating to obesity cost the NHS £11bn a year, Streeting said.
His words came as the government announced a £279 million investment from Lilly, the world's largest pharmaceutical company, at an international investment summit hosted by Sir Keir."
Nobody think it 'strange' that Lilly are returning to the UK and then the government start pushing their main drug?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 15, 2024 10:23:51 GMT
"Streeting suggested the latest generation of medicines including Ozempic and Mounjaro could be "life changing" for individuals and would ease pressure on the NHS. "Our widening waistbands are also placing significant burden on our health service," he said in an opinion piece for the Telegraph, external. "The long-term benefits of these drugs could be monumental in our approach to tackling obesity." Illnesses relating to obesity cost the NHS £11bn a year, Streeting said. His words came as the government announced a £279 million investment from Lilly, the world's largest pharmaceutical company, at an international investment summit hosted by Sir Keir." Nobody think it 'strange' that Lilly are returning to the UK and then the government start pushing their main drug? So your suggestion is what, Nobby? Do nothing? National Service? Work camps to sweat them down? Oh of course, your post implies corruption..... I presume therefore from the way you have worded your post that you are neither a fan of inward investment nor of sorting out the issue of the growing issue of obesity in the UK. And it is a very real and increasing issue . My wife has to deal with ever growing issues of people having heart attacks, diabetes driven health issues, plus people who are so large they can't do anything to support themselves and are reliant on the state to support their lifestyle. But hey buddy let's attack Labour and imply there is corruption involved. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 15, 2024 21:27:50 GMT
"Streeting suggested the latest generation of medicines including Ozempic and Mounjaro could be "life changing" for individuals and would ease pressure on the NHS. "Our widening waistbands are also placing significant burden on our health service," he said in an opinion piece for the Telegraph, external. "The long-term benefits of these drugs could be monumental in our approach to tackling obesity." Illnesses relating to obesity cost the NHS £11bn a year, Streeting said. His words came as the government announced a £279 million investment from Lilly, the world's largest pharmaceutical company, at an international investment summit hosted by Sir Keir." Nobody think it 'strange' that Lilly are returning to the UK and then the government start pushing their main drug? So your suggestion is what, Nobby? Do nothing? National Service? Work camps to sweat them down? Oh of course, your post implies corruption..... I presume therefore from the way you have worded your post that you are neither a fan of inward investment nor of sorting out the issue of the growing issue of obesity in the UK. And it is a very real and increasing issue . My wife has to deal with ever growing issues of people having heart attacks, diabetes driven health issues, plus people who are so large they can't do anything to support themselves and are reliant on the state to support their lifestyle. But hey buddy let's attack Labour and imply there is corruption involved. Totally wrong Terry. I am not implying 'corruption'. It should not be up to the taxpayer, nor the government, to tackle obesity. It should be down to the individual. People should learn to take responsibility for themselves and not expect others to do it for them. Unfortunately, and especially so since lockdown, people seem to expect someone else to do everything for them. |
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Post by aghast on Oct 15, 2024 22:26:54 GMT
So your suggestion is what, Nobby? Do nothing? National Service? Work camps to sweat them down? Oh of course, your post implies corruption..... I presume therefore from the way you have worded your post that you are neither a fan of inward investment nor of sorting out the issue of the growing issue of obesity in the UK. And it is a very real and increasing issue . My wife has to deal with ever growing issues of people having heart attacks, diabetes driven health issues, plus people who are so large they can't do anything to support themselves and are reliant on the state to support their lifestyle. But hey buddy let's attack Labour and imply there is corruption involved. Totally wrong Terry. I am not implying 'corruption'. It should not be up to the taxpayer, nor the government, to tackle obesity. It should be down to the individual. People should learn to take responsibility for themselves and not expect others to do it for them. Unfortunately, and especially so since lockdown, people seem to expect someone else to do everything for them. And what if they won't or can't take responsibility? Not everyone sees it as clearly as those who say they should just stop eating and get down the gym. Tilly on the other forum has addressed this issue sensitively. Depression, family relations, social conditioning, lack of knowledge, limited understanding and peer pressure can all combine to lead to obesity. Sometimes people just need help in order to help themselves. All this 'sort yourself out' stuff won't work with a section of society. |
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Post by trymer on Oct 16, 2024 8:11:03 GMT
So your suggestion is what, Nobby? Do nothing? National Service? Work camps to sweat them down? Oh of course, your post implies corruption..... I presume therefore from the way you have worded your post that you are neither a fan of inward investment nor of sorting out the issue of the growing issue of obesity in the UK. And it is a very real and increasing issue . My wife has to deal with ever growing issues of people having heart attacks, diabetes driven health issues, plus people who are so large they can't do anything to support themselves and are reliant on the state to support their lifestyle. But hey buddy let's attack Labour and imply there is corruption involved. Totally wrong Terry. I am not implying 'corruption'. It should not be up to the taxpayer, nor the government, to tackle obesity. It should be down to the individual. People should learn to take responsibility for themselves and not expect others to do it for them. Unfortunately, and especially so since lockdown, people seem to expect someone else to do everything for them. Sometimes there will be 30 women in the Pilates class that I go to ( I have been called "the token bloke in the class")and none of them are obese *, none of the women in our dog walking group are obese, diet and exercise are the answer to the obesity problem. Looking at pictures of British civilians and servicemen in WW2 you notice 3 things,1. 99.99% of them are slim/athletic in build (Winston Churchill being one of the few exceptions,all the calories in booze no doubt)...2.the poor state of their teeth....3.how many people smoked,no doubt due to stress...so the wartime diet was healthy. I agree that people need to take responsibility for their health and fitness, its weight loss injections now a few years ago it was gastric bands...maybe the govt can help by banning high sugar foods or banning takeaway deliveries ? tbh I dont think that people should get paid not to work because they are fat,I remember 20+ years ago my son was watching the Simpsons on TV and Homer was deliberately putting on weight so that he would be classed as disabled not have to work....ridiculous I thought but now its happening here !...is society rewarding bad behaviour by paying benefits to obese people ? *there was a grossly obese woman who came to a Pilates class once,she couldnt do anything and the instructor told her afterwards that she would need to lose weight before she could do a class properly...never ever saw her again. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 16, 2024 9:41:11 GMT
So your suggestion is what, Nobby? Do nothing? National Service? Work camps to sweat them down? Oh of course, your post implies corruption..... I presume therefore from the way you have worded your post that you are neither a fan of inward investment nor of sorting out the issue of the growing issue of obesity in the UK. And it is a very real and increasing issue . My wife has to deal with ever growing issues of people having heart attacks, diabetes driven health issues, plus people who are so large they can't do anything to support themselves and are reliant on the state to support their lifestyle. But hey buddy let's attack Labour and imply there is corruption involved. Totally wrong Terry. I am not implying 'corruption'. It should not be up to the taxpayer, nor the government, to tackle obesity. It should be down to the individual. People should learn to take responsibility for themselves and not expect others to do it for them. Unfortunately, and especially so since lockdown, people seem to expect someone else to do everything for them. Well you implied it Nobby - Nobody think it 'strange' that Lilly are returning to the UK and then the government start pushing their main drug? Especially as you have been saying how corrupt Labour are. I totally agree with you Nobby that people should take responsibility for themselves. Unfortunately people do not. So we sit on the crux of a dilemma. Does the state do something positive or something negative? Do you think we should bring in a more authoritarian state? If people won't do what is right in a free society, should we make it less free? Do you think there should be more stick than carrot? And who is going to decide and implement the punishment? How do you make better food available when cheap food is generally unhealthy food. Even the 30p meals recommended by MP Lee Anderson? Do you take benefits away from those who won't do something to aid themselves? Perhaps like those who sit at home taking benefits and then eat fast food. What about people with mental issues who won't take their medication? Should we start to reincarcerate them? How about people who won't look after their elderly family members - they expect the state to look after them. Should we force them to keep them or pay for them? If the state aren't going to encourage people, we move down the road to forcing them. So how far do you think we should go? I am genuinely interested because, like you, I do believe people should take more responsibility for themselves. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 16, 2024 10:44:19 GMT
Totally wrong Terry. I am not implying 'corruption'. It should not be up to the taxpayer, nor the government, to tackle obesity. It should be down to the individual. People should learn to take responsibility for themselves and not expect others to do it for them. Unfortunately, and especially so since lockdown, people seem to expect someone else to do everything for them. Well you implied it Nobby - Nobody think it 'strange' that Lilly are returning to the UK and then the government start pushing their main drug? Especially as you have been saying how corrupt Labour are. I totally agree with you Nobby that people should take responsibility for themselves. Unfortunately people do not. So we sit on the crux of a dilemma. Does the state do something positive or something negative? Do you think we should bring in a more authoritarian state? If people won't do what is right in a free society, should we make it less free? Do you think there should be more stick than carrot? And who is going to decide and implement the punishment? How do you make better food available when cheap food is generally unhealthy food. Even the 30p meals recommended by MP Lee Anderson? Do you take benefits away from those who won't do something to aid themselves? Perhaps like those who sit at home taking benefits and then eat fast food. What about people with mental issues who won't take their medication? Should we start to reincarcerate them? How about people who won't look after their elderly family members - they expect the state to look after them. Should we force them to keep them or pay for them? If the state aren't going to encourage people, we move down the road to forcing them. So how far do you think we should go? I am genuinely interested because, like you, I do believe people should take more responsibility for themselves. You cannot force people to do the things you suggest. Obviously if some people have problems as in mental health etc, then they should be treated accordingly. Nobody is suggesting a "one size fits all" solution. In my humble opinion, if you are fit for work, and you stay on the dole, then the benefits should be reduced on a sliding scale, as in other countries, so that after three years they only receive the very basic amount of benefits. We have to move to the narrative that benefits are a safety net for the community, and not a lifestyle choice. Another cheap option which would benefit a healthier lifestyle amongst the population is to introduce basic cooking lessons in schools. Not a quick fix but will bring benefits in the longer term. "How do you make better food available when cheap food is generally unhealthy food." - I totally disagree with this statement. It is perfectly possible to make good healthy meals cheaply. It certainly is not cheaper nor healthier to rely on take-aways or ready made meals etc. |
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Post by trymer on Oct 16, 2024 19:55:02 GMT
Totally wrong Terry. I am not implying 'corruption'. It should not be up to the taxpayer, nor the government, to tackle obesity. It should be down to the individual. People should learn to take responsibility for themselves and not expect others to do it for them. Unfortunately, and especially so since lockdown, people seem to expect someone else to do everything for them. Well you implied it Nobby - Nobody think it 'strange' that Lilly are returning to the UK and then the government start pushing their main drug? Especially as you have been saying how corrupt Labour are. I totally agree with you Nobby that people should take responsibility for themselves. Unfortunately people do not. So we sit on the crux of a dilemma. Does the state do something positive or something negative? Do you think we should bring in a more authoritarian state? If people won't do what is right in a free society, should we make it less free? Do you think there should be more stick than carrot? And who is going to decide and implement the punishment? How do you make better food available when cheap food is generally unhealthy food. Even the 30p meals recommended by MP Lee Anderson? Do you take benefits away from those who won't do something to aid themselves? Perhaps like those who sit at home taking benefits and then eat fast food. What about people with mental issues who won't take their medication? Should we start to reincarcerate them? How about people who won't look after their elderly family members - they expect the state to look after them. Should we force them to keep them or pay for them? If the state aren't going to encourage people, we move down the road to forcing them. So how far do you think we should go? I am genuinely interested because, like you, I do believe people should take more responsibility for themselves. The problem with obesity is quite simple,obesity is caused by eating too much and burning off too few calories...if someone becomes obese the Doctor should not sign them off so they will not get any sick pay. The worse thing for someone in that state would be for the taxpayer to subsidise them to stay at home sat watching daytime tv and washing junk food down with fizzy drinks (or booze) as they will just get even fatter. My dogs would probably sit at home eating all day long and getting fat but they dont get that option,I detest overweight dogs its just laziness on the part of the owner, these obese people are the same in a way,they want to sit at home and stuff their face and sadly society has become too soft and lets them do it,when things were tougher there wasnt the soft option and therefore there was no obesity. Veg is cheap and easy to prepare,swede,cabbage,parsnips,broccoli,carrots....cook up a plate of veg with and start exercising...do you much more good than getting Deliveroo to deliver a takeaway and coke....cheaper too. |
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Post by baldrick on Oct 16, 2024 22:20:14 GMT
One thing not often mentioned is time.
Children are taught food tech at school, maybe a greater emphasis would be beneficial but the curriculum is already packed.
I know people who ordinarily have the knowledge and understanding to eat well and exercise, however in recent years their personal lives have been thrown upside down, leaving them to care for relatives whilst still holding down jobs and managing their own households.
They have been stuck in a rut where it's difficult to get back onto a sensible way, emotionally and physically. Essentially doing the equivalent of two full time jobs without respite.
The idea from Wes Streeting is to help kick-start the road to a better way, let's trial it and see.
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 16, 2024 23:11:34 GMT
One thing not often mentioned is time. Children are taught food tech at school, maybe a greater emphasis would be beneficial but the curriculum is already packed. I know people who ordinarily have the knowledge and understanding to eat well and exercise, however in recent years their personal lives have been thrown upside down, leaving them to care for relatives whilst still holding down jobs and managing their own households. They have been stuck in a rut where it's difficult to get back onto a sensible way, emotionally and physically. Essentially doing the equivalent of two full time jobs without respite. The idea from Wes Streeting is to help kick-start the road to a better way, let's trial it and see. I cannot see how the answer is to use a synthetic drug as opposed to eating healthier and exercising a bit. |
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Post by baldrick on Oct 17, 2024 0:04:35 GMT
One thing not often mentioned is time. Children are taught food tech at school, maybe a greater emphasis would be beneficial but the curriculum is already packed. I know people who ordinarily have the knowledge and understanding to eat well and exercise, however in recent years their personal lives have been thrown upside down, leaving them to care for relatives whilst still holding down jobs and managing their own households. They have been stuck in a rut where it's difficult to get back onto a sensible way, emotionally and physically. Essentially doing the equivalent of two full time jobs without respite. The idea from Wes Streeting is to help kick-start the road to a better way, let's trial it and see. I cannot see how the answer is to use a synthetic drug as opposed to eating healthier and exercising a bit. Long term, no, but the intention is a short term boost to a longer programme. |
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Post by trymer on Oct 17, 2024 7:50:40 GMT
One thing not often mentioned is time. Children are taught food tech at school, maybe a greater emphasis would be beneficial but the curriculum is already packed. I know people who ordinarily have the knowledge and understanding to eat well and exercise, however in recent years their personal lives have been thrown upside down, leaving them to care for relatives whilst still holding down jobs and managing their own households. They have been stuck in a rut where it's difficult to get back onto a sensible way, emotionally and physically. Essentially doing the equivalent of two full time jobs without respite. The idea from Wes Streeting is to help kick-start the road to a better way, let's trial it and see. I cannot see how the answer is to use a synthetic drug as opposed to eating healthier and exercising a bit. I agree,its such a simple problem but this is how society is now, the other thing about exercise is that it makes your mental health better and gives you a positive outlook, personally I would recommend half an hours exercise before the working day starts. |
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