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Post by baselswh on Aug 6, 2022 16:14:25 GMT
I wonder if eg listening to Motorheads Ace of Spades,whilst sat on the bog,could help constipation?
Could be a medical breakthrough.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Aug 6, 2022 17:02:39 GMT
I’m not mocking, I’m trying to understand your thinking for why you attack me the way you do? It’s not the first time either. I’ve always been open on both forums Jools, but you haven’t/aren’t. You have dropped some crumbs of ITK info, but when pressed on it you run down the rabbit hole and start attacking the ones who question it. The irony is you mention GI, this latest thread is from his copybook! The other irony is that he use to Barb me in the same way, and I never said anything, but when I nibble back, he started playing the victim, just like you are doing now. It’s boring straw man forum tactics. My comment perhaps lacked class, but I don’t think you can claim any moral high ground either, if you were as honest with yourself as you like to project yourself to be. Listen Jools, each of us are welcome to each other’s opinion on whether Wael is a good or a bad owner, but that isn’t the talking point here. The talking point is you dropped something ITK but don’t want to expand for fear of sending the place into meltdown. Why say anything at all then? Either you want an ego massage or you want to tell the fanbase information? Which is it? If it’s the first one, well done, you are probably enjoying the thrill right now. But if you don’t want to elaborate, then save face and keep the bottom half shut, then no one else will question you. Am I Flustered? Not at all. I don’t get flustered that easily and certainly not by anyone on an Internet forum! I shouldn’t reply but it’s guaranteed that you will comment on anything like this but to start with the line you did, well, that has now shown me the real you. Those who i wish to know have been sent what I know, you are not one of them so live with it. I have no reason to trust you as you are the unofficial flag waver for those who run the club. As for shutting up 😂 whop died and made you boss ? How you hate it when you cannot get to pick at something. Flustered you most certainly are. You have shown a real lack of class in what you posted proven and i will no longer engage in any conversation with you. That showed the real you. I am sure you get the message Oh bless you, playing the victim, again. Come on Jools I thought you had more about you than that. I’m the same person Jools. I’ll call out what I see or hear, always have, always will. You don’t know me at all but I’m a shoot from the hip sort of character who doesn’t stand for any BS and if I smell it, I’ll call it out. I’m not picking, it’s quite simple, you have made a claim I’m asking you to substantiate it, which you won’t, therefore it goes in the BS bin until otherwise proven. You may see it as a lack of class, I see it as you ignoring an opportunity to elaborate and getting all sensitive and diving down the rabbit hole to avoid further interaction. Your choice, but it doesn’t help your cause one bit. |
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Post by lostinspace on Aug 6, 2022 17:09:04 GMT
I wonder if eg listening to Motorheads Ace of Spades,whilst sat on the bog,could help constipation? Could be a medical breakthrough. Motorhead....cure constipation ? couldn't help on that, something soothing like Celeste would be better but would need some headache pills otherwise that's for sure |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 6, 2022 17:20:38 GMT
I wonder if eg listening to Motorheads Ace of Spades,whilst sat on the bog,could help constipation? Could be a medical breakthrough. Motorhead....cure constipation ? couldn't help on that, something soothing like Celeste would be better but would need some headache pills otherwise that's for sure 🙂👍 |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 6, 2022 18:31:06 GMT
I wonder if eg listening to Motorheads Ace of Spades,whilst sat on the bog,could help constipation? Could be a medical breakthrough. Motorhead....cure constipation ? couldn't help on that, something soothing like Celeste would be better but would need some headache pills otherwise that's for sure Movicol does |
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Post by petecolley on Aug 6, 2022 19:36:49 GMT
Motorhead....cure constipation ? couldn't help on that, something soothing like Celeste would be better but would need some headache pills otherwise that's for sure Movicol does Some blokes are full of it ! :-) |
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Post by swissgas on Aug 6, 2022 19:41:07 GMT
Hi Chesh You must be as dizzy as me with the constant going around in circles. The post was made in response to contradiction who is rarely willing to engage in sensible debate. I made no attempt to hide the fact that I thought going ahead with the training ground the way we did was wrong and I gave detailed reasons for that. If we had gone through with the original plans which Evans Jones were contracted to draw up in 2018 and the project was carried out properly to a timescale with modern buildings and careful budgeting then I should have been all for it. The mistake of going ahead with a building of inadequate size was recognised before the footings were even finished (in Ben Garner's time) so plans were drawn up for a rebuild to rectify this and these were passed by the planners in November 2021. I would suggest that a normal business which had recognised that a key facility was not fit for purpose would do what Rovers did, draw up plans to fix the problem, but then, unlike Rovers, they would implement the plans at the earliest opportunity. When JB was under pressure last October he mentioned in an interview that he could not fit his whole squad into the clubhouse let alone his coaching and support staff so this problem is not hearsay it is real. And that is confirmed by the documents submitted to the planners by the consultants Kendall Kingscott. So why were we not prepared and ready to go with the rebuild so that the problem was fixed ready for the start of this season ? If we consider Rovers to have become a modern professional business can we really accept ITB's lame excuse that materials and labour are in short supply and builders are busy at the moment ? I'm not sure what you mean when you say "BRFC are now getting what they need" because what we have on this thread looks very much like another "12 stadium experts" moment. Unwittingly or not ITB has come up with the notion that it doesn't really matter when or whether the rebuild of the clubhouse takes place because we are now looking at a completely new first team complex being built near to where the gym is located and it will be complemented by facilities which the community are able to use. Is this really going to happen ? Or is it a similar diversion to the one we fell for about the Mem rebuild after UWE I collapsed ? We didn’t have a permanent training facility because we had to leave the old Axa site and temporarily use Combe Dingle as a base. To completely redesign the existing building would have required more replanning, approvals, impact studies etc. Building to the existing plans and then extending it later meant we could crack on, get an initial phase in and operational and then go through planning to extend. It’s a phased development. You say you are not flustered but your postings on this thread give the strong impression that something is up. Apart from what you said about KP you've virtually admitted to hacking into my Halifax Liquid Gold account.  Can you not see how ironic it is that with the training ground stalled and total silence about the stadium you are telling us not to worry because, miraculously, Rovers are now planning the kind of new build complex with community facilities which I put forward in 2020 ? Better tell Wael to warn his grandchildren that if this development is called the "Swissquote Sports Science Park" then I'll make sure my great grandchildren sue for breach of copyright. |
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Post by swissgas on Aug 6, 2022 19:43:28 GMT
I wonder if eg listening to Motorheads Ace of Spades,whilst sat on the bog,could help constipation? Could be a medical breakthrough. Try The Cranberries Bas If they don't work it'll have to be The Suppositories |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 19:50:13 GMT
I wonder if eg listening to Motorheads Ace of Spades,whilst sat on the bog,could help constipation? Could be a medical breakthrough. Try The Cranberries Bas If they don't work it'll have to be The Suppositories Ah, Dolores. ❤️ RIP Anyway. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 7, 2022 1:26:32 GMT
Some blokes are full of it ! :-) If you say so Peter. I will not lower myself to the level you just have and say you are a Christian too. What a hypocrite but then, nothing new, that i did not already know. I have evidence, letters, e-mails and it’s nothing todo,with the training ground but much bigger although i will not betray the confidence given me. If you had seen what i have, hard evidence of the most bizarre and upsetting scenario then i think you would be questioning whether Wael has the clubs interests ahead of his and Hani, who is still involved BTW. That’s it folks, i will go no further. I have private messaged those i can trust, all 2 of them. I will not be saying anymore but I reserve the right to come back to this when this starts.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 7, 2022 1:28:29 GMT
I wonder if eg listening to Motorheads Ace of Spades,whilst sat on the bog,could help constipation? Could be a medical breakthrough. Try The Cranberries Bas If they don't work it'll have to be The Suppositories Movicol and 4 litres of water. That will unblock the worst of waste but if you have IBD then you need to speak to your GP first |
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Post by irenestoyboy on Aug 7, 2022 6:13:29 GMT
Some blokes are full of it ! :-) If you say so Peter. I will not lower myself to the level you just have and say you are a Christian too. What a hypocrite but then, nothing new, that i did not already know. I have evidence, letters, e-mails and it’s nothing todo,with the training ground but much bigger although i will not betray the confidence given me. If you had seen what i have, hard evidence of the most bizarre and upsetting scenario then i think you would be questioning whether Wael has the clubs interests ahead of his and Hani, who is still involved BTW. That’s it folks, i will go no further. I have private messaged those i can trust, all 2 of them. I will not be saying anymore but I reserve the right to come back to this when this starts.
Why do you think we lost those who really already knew. Ask yourself that What’s Pete being a Christan got to do with whether he thinks you’re full of it or not? That’s just cheap shot at him as he’s as much entitled to an opinion on it regardless of his religious beliefs. For someone so sensitive to marginalisation you sure know how to dish it out when it’s not about you. Hypocritical don’t you think? I’ll look forward to seeing Hani listed as a shareholder and director on companies house indicating his re-involvement with BRFC. “think you would be questioning whether Wael has the clubs interests ahead of his” This is what KM and the cronies used to say. Wael then wiped out the debt, built the training ground and kept us afloat through the pandemic all to the tune of about £35m (Swiss can give us exact numbers) I’d say that’s pretty generous so far. So aside from investing that money and securing the clubs future, what way is he planning to shaft us? It would have to be pretty big to get back his £35m + when the only asset we have is the Mem, which is covenanted and cannot be sold individually as an asset without another stadium being built first or without the club being sold completely together with the Mem, but the covenant would still apply anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2022 16:35:59 GMT
So I take it Swiss just from what you are saying here - 2019 - You are unhappy that a training ground was started based on existing plans 2020 - you are unhappy that a mistake was rectified 2021 - you are unhappy that he got planning permission 2022 - you are unhappy that news of the plan for which he got planning permission was leaked and that it will be better for the community..... Swiss, you know how much I have respect for your thoughts as they are usually well constructed arguments. However this is coming across as you just being unhappy that BRFC are getting what they need. This thread contains comments that gave the impression that the original build was going to be demolished to make way for a bigger build. We now understand that that is incorrect and walls are being taken down to accommodate a bigger and better facility. It may be that previous managers thought the proposed facility was adequate but subsequently it was realised it wasn't and the current manager has required a bigger facility, which he is getting. Perhaps I'm missing something Regards Cheshire Hi Chesh You must be as dizzy as me with the constant going around in circles. The post was made in response to contradiction who is rarely willing to engage in sensible debate. I made no attempt to hide the fact that I thought going ahead with the training ground the way we did was wrong and I gave detailed reasons for that. If we had gone through with the original plans which Evans Jones were contracted to draw up in 2018 and the project was carried out properly to a timescale with modern buildings and careful budgeting then I should have been all for it. The mistake of going ahead with a building of inadequate size was recognised before the footings were even finished (in Ben Garner's time) so plans were drawn up for a rebuild to rectify this and these were passed by the planners in November 2021. I would suggest that a normal business which had recognised that a key facility was not fit for purpose would do what Rovers did, draw up plans to fix the problem, but then, unlike Rovers, they would implement the plans at the earliest opportunity. When JB was under pressure last October he mentioned in an interview that he could not fit his whole squad into the clubhouse let alone his coaching and support staff so this problem is not hearsay it is real. And that is confirmed by the documents submitted to the planners by the consultants Kendall Kingscott. So why were we not prepared and ready to go with the rebuild so that the problem was fixed ready for the start of this season ? If we consider Rovers to have become a modern professional business can we really accept ITB's lame excuse that materials and labour are in short supply and builders are busy at the moment ? I'm not sure what you mean when you say "BRFC are now getting what they need" because what we have on this thread looks very much like another "12 stadium experts" moment. Unwittingly or not ITB has come up with the notion that it doesn't really matter when or whether the rebuild of the clubhouse takes place because we are now looking at a completely new first team complex being built near to where the gym is located and it will be complemented by facilities which the community are able to use. Is this really going to happen ? Or is it a similar diversion to the one we fell for about the Mem rebuild after UWE I collapsed ?
Oi keep me out of it, Im just watching the fun and shouting 'Boo Hiss'
But seeing you bring it up:
No sensible debate from me any more as its a waste of time seeing you have continually presented wild 'speculation' as 'fact'.
If I recall correctly you have in the past:
-Claimed WAQ is selling the Mem and we will were looking to rent somewhere -That Eddy Jennings, JB and their Merseyside mates were going to Buy out WAQ -That the Rovers dont actually own the training ground and pay a sky high rent
-Repeatedly claimed that WAQ does not have the funds to fund Rovers going foward, but after being backed into a corner by a couple of us you eventually, and reluctantly admitted that in fact you had no idea of his wealth (this was actually really funny in that it was a matter of weeks before he wrote off the debt)
Along with continual bashing of all things Rovers, but never any praise for the good stuff.
People will make up their own minds, but my perception is that there is little appetite to debate with you nowadays.
Your posts are dangerous because you present the 'speculation' as 'fact', then blame Rovers fans for not challenging. It gives those fans whose glasses are half empty/nearly empty (or those who dont even have a glass) some kind of 'validation' for their angst.
Not really surprised you were banned from the other place really.
So no more debate from me, just a ticket to watch the fun, so feel free to continue with the conspiracy theories
Boo Hiss
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Post by droitwichgas on Aug 7, 2022 17:24:28 GMT
Stopped outside the Quarters a while ago and had a conversation with an onsite employee. He had been party to a meeting between Wael and managers. During this it was stated that the Quarters was an ongoing long-term project. So prepare for a lot more demolition and rebuilding. I don't get why anybody would build something only to demolish it and rebuild it, it's nonsense to suggest that we built it to the original plans as getting further pp would take too long, as who's got £2m+ just to throw away on building costs, if Wael does have that much to waste surely it would be better spent on JB's playing squad by just gifting him the money? Although it seems no work has taken place since we get further pp, as Wael run out of money to spend on at The Quarters? |
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Post by swissgas on Aug 7, 2022 18:10:29 GMT
Hi Chesh You must be as dizzy as me with the constant going around in circles. The post was made in response to contradiction who is rarely willing to engage in sensible debate. I made no attempt to hide the fact that I thought going ahead with the training ground the way we did was wrong and I gave detailed reasons for that. If we had gone through with the original plans which Evans Jones were contracted to draw up in 2018 and the project was carried out properly to a timescale with modern buildings and careful budgeting then I should have been all for it. The mistake of going ahead with a building of inadequate size was recognised before the footings were even finished (in Ben Garner's time) so plans were drawn up for a rebuild to rectify this and these were passed by the planners in November 2021. I would suggest that a normal business which had recognised that a key facility was not fit for purpose would do what Rovers did, draw up plans to fix the problem, but then, unlike Rovers, they would implement the plans at the earliest opportunity. When JB was under pressure last October he mentioned in an interview that he could not fit his whole squad into the clubhouse let alone his coaching and support staff so this problem is not hearsay it is real. And that is confirmed by the documents submitted to the planners by the consultants Kendall Kingscott. So why were we not prepared and ready to go with the rebuild so that the problem was fixed ready for the start of this season ? If we consider Rovers to have become a modern professional business can we really accept ITB's lame excuse that materials and labour are in short supply and builders are busy at the moment ? I'm not sure what you mean when you say "BRFC are now getting what they need" because what we have on this thread looks very much like another "12 stadium experts" moment. Unwittingly or not ITB has come up with the notion that it doesn't really matter when or whether the rebuild of the clubhouse takes place because we are now looking at a completely new first team complex being built near to where the gym is located and it will be complemented by facilities which the community are able to use. Is this really going to happen ? Or is it a similar diversion to the one we fell for about the Mem rebuild after UWE I collapsed ?
Oi keep me out of it, Im just watching the fun and shouting 'Boo Hiss'
But seeing you bring it up:
No sensible debate from me any more as its a waste of time seeing you have continually presented wild 'speculation' as 'fact'.
If I recall correctly you have in the past:
-Claimed WAQ is selling the Mem and we will were looking to rent somewhere -That Eddy Jennings, JB and their Merseyside mates were going to Buy out WAQ -That the Rovers dont actually own the training ground and pay a sky high rent
-Repeatedly claimed that WAQ does not have the funds to fund Rovers going foward, but after being backed into a corner by a couple of us you eventually, and reluctantly admitted that in fact you had no idea of his wealth (this was actually really funny in that it was a matter of weeks before he wrote off the debt)
Along with continual bashing of all things Rovers, but never any praise for the good stuff.
People will make up their own minds, but my perception is that there is little appetite to debate with you nowadays.
Your posts are dangerous because you present the 'speculation' as 'fact', then blame Rovers fans for not challenging. It gives those fans whose glasses are half empty/nearly empty (or those who dont even have a glass) some kind of 'validation' for their angst.
Not really surprised you were banned from the other place really.
So no more debate from me, just a ticket to watch the fun, so feel free to continue with the conspiracy theories
Boo Hiss
I said that Hani was trying to sell the Mem as part of the FM project and if the deal was good for Rovers and a vacant Mem was necessary to get it over the line then we should consider moving out and ground sharing for a few years until the new stadium was ready. I said that it would be impossible for Wael to stop JB trying to take over and that is what has happened. Apparently JB even said recently "we are not here to take part we are here to take over". I also pointed out that JB and EJ have connections to dubious characters like Stephen Vaughan and Willie McKay who have previously ruined football clubs and there was a danger he may pressure Wael into bringing in people like this. That danger is still there. Rovers don't own the training ground it is owned by Jersey registered Dwane Colony Ltd. I never said Rovers are paying them a sky high rent but suggested it is important to have a formal lease agreement between Rovers and Dwane Colony Ltd to protect the interests of both parties. When others were claiming that the Al-Qadi family were billionaires I posted information from the public domain about their actual visible wealth and that was done to encourage realistic expectations. Wael's shares in AJIB are hypothetically worth about £18 million and his annual dividend income about £1.4 million. His shares in the Four Seasons Hotel Amman are hypothetically worth about £7 million but there is no income because the company makes losses. Neither you, I or anyone else knows what other wealth Wael has but a few years ago when ITB claimed it was very substantial I did have a bit of fun with him about that. If you truly believe that there are not a lot of Gasheads who are concerned about Wael's ability to continue to fund losses of £3+ million per year let alone complete the training ground and secure a new stadium then I think you are burying your head in the sand. |
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Post by irenestoyboy on Aug 7, 2022 18:13:42 GMT
Stopped outside the Quarters a while ago and had a conversation with an onsite employee. He had been party to a meeting between Wael and managers. During this it was stated that the Quarters was an ongoing long-term project. So prepare for a lot more demolition and rebuilding. I don't get why anybody would build something only to demolish it and rebuild it, it's nonsense to suggest that we built it to the original plans as getting further pp would take too long, as who's got £2m+ just to throw away on building costs, if Wael does have that much to waste surely it would be better spent on JB's playing squad by just gifting him the money? Although it seems no work has taken place since we get further pp, as Wael run out of money to spend on at The Quarters? But we aren’t demolishing what we have built, that’s a “fact” from the pirog and Swiss show. (One for contradiction to add to his list). According to the plans we are just taking out a couple of sections of 1.25 meter wall to accommodate door ways in 3 places on each side of the T shape so the building becomes a square shape. It’s so bread and butter for builders they would likely have it done in a morning. When is the best time to do something like that, in season when the quarters are in use or close season when they aren’t? |
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Post by swissgas on Aug 7, 2022 18:53:38 GMT
If you say so Peter. I will not lower myself to the level you just have and say you are a Christian too. What a hypocrite but then, nothing new, that i did not already know. I have evidence, letters, e-mails and it’s nothing todo,with the training ground but much bigger although i will not betray the confidence given me. If you had seen what i have, hard evidence of the most bizarre and upsetting scenario then i think you would be questioning whether Wael has the clubs interests ahead of his and Hani, who is still involved BTW. That’s it folks, i will go no further. I have private messaged those i can trust, all 2 of them. I will not be saying anymore but I reserve the right to come back to this when this starts.
Why do you think we lost those who really already knew. Ask yourself that What’s Pete being a Christan got to do with whether he thinks you’re full of it or not? That’s just cheap shot at him as he’s as much entitled to an opinion on it regardless of his religious beliefs. For someone so sensitive to marginalisation you sure know how to dish it out when it’s not about you. Hypocritical don’t you think? I’ll look forward to seeing Hani listed as a shareholder and director on companies house indicating his re-involvement with BRFC. “think you would be questioning whether Wael has the clubs interests ahead of his” This is what KM and the cronies used to say. Wael then wiped out the debt, built the training ground and kept us afloat through the pandemic all to the tune of about £35m (Swiss can give us exact numbers) I’d say that’s pretty generous so far. So aside from investing that money and securing the clubs future, what way is he planning to shaft us? It would have to be pretty big to get back his £35m + when the only asset we have is the Mem, which is covenanted and cannot be sold individually as an asset without another stadium being built first or without the club being sold completely together with the Mem, but the covenant would still apply anyway. If you don't like my answers please remember that you've brought these things up and I'm simply responding. Hani was listed in the 2020 accounts as the person providing assurances of continued financial support but we were told this was a mistake which would be corrected in the 2021 accounts. When his name appeared again in the 2021 accounts the Company Secretaries didn't respond to my requests for clarification but Tom Gorringe told Bath Gas it was a mistake again and would be corrected. It hasn't been corrected but strangely enough Sheffield Wednesday also made a mistake in the wording of their accounts and after it was pointed out they duly filed an amended set with Companies House proving that it is possible. If the auditors believe that Hani is in control of the funding which goes into Dwane Sports and then flows through to Rovers and this is why he is named then there is no problem with that. But just be up front about it. Wael wiped out most of the debt in 2020 but it was up to £4.5 million again by June 2021 and could be up to £10 million by the end of this year. Wael has said he will capitalise a further £3.6 million which is good but let's not pretend Rovers are debt free. The perception amongst Gasheads is that we should be grateful to Wael for keeping us afloat through the pandemic because in his open letter of April 1st he told us "the net cost of the pandemic will surpass £3 million". Most of us thought this meant that there would be an extra £3 million on top of the £3 million annual losses we had come to expect. That is why, following his statement, I posted that I thought losses for 2021 could be in the £4 - 5 million range because we at least had the JCH transfer proceeds as a partial offset. But it didn't happen like that. The trading loss for 2021 was only £500K more than in 2020 and with the incoming JCH money the net result was that we were £1 million better off than in 2020. In fact during 2021 Dwane Sports loaned less to Rovers than they had in 2020. So the notion that we were facing the gravest crisis in the club's history and that Wael did something extra special to keep us afloat through the pandemic is a myth. I'm afraid the "covenant" falls into the same category as the "12 stadium experts" and the "brand new first team complex with community facilities". |
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Post by swissgas on Aug 7, 2022 19:25:27 GMT
I don't get why anybody would build something only to demolish it and rebuild it, it's nonsense to suggest that we built it to the original plans as getting further pp would take too long, as who's got £2m+ just to throw away on building costs, if Wael does have that much to waste surely it would be better spent on JB's playing squad by just gifting him the money? Although it seems no work has taken place since we get further pp, as Wael run out of money to spend on at The Quarters? But we aren’t demolishing what we have built, that’s a “fact” from the pirog and Swiss show. (One for contradiction to add to his list). According to the plans we are just taking out a couple of sections of 1.25 meter wall to accommodate door ways in 3 places on each side of the T shape so the building becomes a square shape. It’s so bread and butter for builders they would likely have it done in a morning. When is the best time to do something like that, in season when the quarters are in use or close season when they aren’t? Here's a bit of positive speculation you might like. We are all in agreement the present building is too small and this is very frustrating for JB in trying to manage his squad and support staff. The plans for enlargement were drawn up in 2020 and approved by the planners in November 2021. So, as a layman, this is what I should have seriously looked at doing. a) Before the plans were even submitted get some outline cost estimates to make sure what was being proposed was financially feasible. b) If it was financially feasible appoint a project manager and have contractors provide provisional tenders. c) After the plans were approved negotiate a final price and award the job to the selected contractor. d) Start the work at the earliest opportunity, during the 21/22 season whilst the building was still in use, by constructing the outer structure and roof first and using the vast amount of space at the rear of the building for storage and contractor activity so as not to affect the day to day work of the training ground staff. e) On the morning of D Day Monday June 6th, with the outer shell fully completed, take out the couple of sections of wall reconnect the services and decorate inside. f) On the afternoon of Monday June 6th pose for pictures with JB outside the building and take the acclaim for a good job well done. Now Womble will probably come along and explain why this would not be possible or suggest how it could work with changes to the plan but what do you think ? |
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Post by oldie on Aug 7, 2022 19:51:12 GMT
I think this is all tedious speculation by some who do not have the where with all to do anything at all about the fiscal situation the club is in and has been in.
Taking continuous digs at a man, or family, that has put more private equity than any other in the history of the club is pointless and embarrassing.
I, personally, don't care about the rumours or opinions of those that have no vested financial interest in the club.
That's not to say that I think the club is stable or being run in a sustainable fashion. I do not. But that is for the owners to sort out. If they do not, sooner rather than later, the cash will dry up and where we will end up then.
In the meantime we can satisfy ourselves by bickering over who should play centre midfield.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Aug 7, 2022 19:54:23 GMT
But we aren’t demolishing what we have built, that’s a “fact” from the pirog and Swiss show. (One for contradiction to add to his list). According to the plans we are just taking out a couple of sections of 1.25 meter wall to accommodate door ways in 3 places on each side of the T shape so the building becomes a square shape. It’s so bread and butter for builders they would likely have it done in a morning. When is the best time to do something like that, in season when the quarters are in use or close season when they aren’t? Here's a bit of positive speculation you might like. We are all in agreement the present building is too small and this is very frustrating for JB in trying to manage his squad and support staff. The plans for enlargement were drawn up in 2020 and approved by the planners in November 2021. So, as a layman, this is what I should have seriously looked at doing. a) Before the plans were even submitted get some outline cost estimates to make sure what was being proposed was financially feasible. b) If it was financially feasible appoint a project manager and have contractors provide provisional tenders. c) After the plans were approved negotiate a final price and award the job to the selected contractor. d) Start the work at the earliest opportunity, during the 21/22 season whilst the building was still in use, by constructing the outer structure and roof first and using the vast amount of space at the rear of the building for storage and contractor activity so as not to affect the day to day work of the training ground staff. e) On the morning of D Day Monday June 6th, with the outer shell fully completed, take out the couple of sections of wall reconnect the services and decorate inside. f) On the afternoon of Monday June 6th pose for pictures with JB outside the building and take the acclaim for a good job well done. Now Womble will probably come along and explain why this would not be possible or suggest how it could work with changes to the plan but what do you think ? Agree that that would be a good idea, perhaps it’s already been floated too, but in real time, at the time of PP success, we had to sack our CEO, decided to leave, delete as you believe and TG came in. I’ve no idea what TG has had to sort out since or even if it’s within his remit to handle now, but we had a promotion to win which was far more important IMO. JB has given no outwards indication he’s so unhappy at the quarters it’s totally unmanageable. In fact when I was there a few months back sorting a car out for someone, I chatted to Alex Mangan who was waxing lyrical about the place and what’s been accomplished in a short period. I don’t think Mangs and JBs opinion would be too far apart. |
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