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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 5, 2022 11:03:14 GMT
Time and time again you keep saying "if i posted what i know etc"..... as yet you have.......so far ......failed to confirm what you may have known actually happened ......carrot dangling or just tosh ? If it’s that bad, then in my opinion, you have a duty of care to the fanbase to tell all IMO. If not, then you are complicit in whatever is going to fail the club. If the owner kept to his duty of care then i would , also. I have had a mare in even mentioning it as i know how those who dig, are attacked for want of better word. I was going to PM you the details but thought better of it |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 5, 2022 11:05:33 GMT
😂. If i posted what i know and more and bigger than this training ground, both places would be in meltdown. Not drama but cold, hard truth. If the majority wish to think all is rosy than so be it. Sounds like you’re ITK KP! 😉 UTG! On one thing, yes and definitely as i have seen evidence. I can see that i already have a few tails up and yet do people want the truth ? I know the answer so no need to reply. It reminds of the sex pistols and Johnny Rotten saying ever felt you have been had |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 5, 2022 11:08:38 GMT
I posted to let people know that the training ground will be knocked down and then amended to the updated plans, my attention was brought to the by Swiss and, unlike you, i find his posts both very interesting and he asks some valid questions, which many others wish to shout down. I have some really important and valid information but i will not post it as i know the majority will give me dogs abuse. I did not say i had any problems with the place, as is but i just gave notice of the place being knocked down, to rebuild to the new plans. Do you think this is a great way of using club funds then ? I have learned my lesson in giving an opinion that is not a popular, even if true, one. As some have right said, in the end you get the club you deserve Club funds? All the funds getting spent belong to the WAQs doesn't they? I guess in the end he can spend it how he wants. Is it a great way? I don’t know but regarding The Quarters it looks like they built it in line with existing planning permission, to get it started, knowing that alterations would happen very soon to bring it in line with what they need. It’s a great resource according to all the managers we’ve had since it was built. UTG! Agreed, he can do what he wants but when the debts go onto club book then he also, rightly, should pay off his own debt |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 5, 2022 11:11:17 GMT
I know the club spokesman, who is definitely NOT ITK, would take lol Better than being told something from the horses mouth than based on a load of supposition and guesswork spun with a negative context which turns out to be utter nonsense. What you took and ran with from Swiss was the statement he has just posted above. Nothing about knocking anything down and starting again. Some of our fans honestly…🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️ Don’t know what the motivation is to spread such utter BS or believe such utter BS. The bigger and most important thing is something i will not post as i knowing the reaction. At least i stay fairly consistent whereas you started off as a huge critic of Wael before your damascene experience and are now the unofficial club spokesperson or version of Pravda as many say |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 5, 2022 11:20:28 GMT
In other words, reading between what everyone is saying, they are going to amend part of a building and make some improvements. Presumably as stage 2/3/4 of the whole project. Is that it? UTG! That’s just an aside |
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Post by bloogas on Aug 5, 2022 11:37:06 GMT
Stopped outside the Quarters a while ago and had a conversation with an onsite employee. He had been party to a meeting between Wael and managers. During this it was stated that the Quarters was an ongoing long-term project. So prepare for a lot more demolition and rebuilding.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 5, 2022 11:40:12 GMT
I know which my money would be on!!  Maybe we should thank the mighty Jools for holding on to his ITK info otherwise this place "would go into meltdown". Already is. As for mighty, that’s an absurd statement. I just dug a bit further than others care to. Can you not see how quickly people are to condemn those that post anything that goes against the narrative of you are either with us or against us. I just don’t need the hassle and am not here to argue BUT any of you guys could dig a bit, instead of just jumping on anyone whop doesn’t fit your cosy ideals can you not see how many of the truly ITK posters we have lost ? I miss them and their input. |
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Post by swissgas on Aug 5, 2022 14:58:40 GMT
Did you hear the one about the man with the long term plan ? 2019 he decides to put up a building which is too small. 2020 he has a plan drawn up to rectify that mistake 2021 he gets permission to implement the plan 2022 he doesn’t even talk about implementing the plan but instead lets it leak out via a trusted friend that he’s going to build a brand new all singing all dancing first team complex with community facilities thrown in for good measure.So I take it Swiss just from what you are saying here - 2019 - You are unhappy that a training ground was started based on existing plans 2020 - you are unhappy that a mistake was rectified 2021 - you are unhappy that he got planning permission 2022 - you are unhappy that news of the plan for which he got planning permission was leaked and that it will be better for the community..... Swiss, you know how much I have respect for your thoughts as they are usually well constructed arguments. However this is coming across as you just being unhappy that BRFC are getting what they need. This thread contains comments that gave the impression that the original build was going to be demolished to make way for a bigger build. We now understand that that is incorrect and walls are being taken down to accommodate a bigger and better facility. It may be that previous managers thought the proposed facility was adequate but subsequently it was realised it wasn't and the current manager has required a bigger facility, which he is getting. Perhaps I'm missing something Regards Cheshire Hi Chesh You must be as dizzy as me with the constant going around in circles. The post was made in response to contradiction who is rarely willing to engage in sensible debate. I made no attempt to hide the fact that I thought going ahead with the training ground the way we did was wrong and I gave detailed reasons for that. If we had gone through with the original plans which Evans Jones were contracted to draw up in 2018 and the project was carried out properly to a timescale with modern buildings and careful budgeting then I should have been all for it. The mistake of going ahead with a building of inadequate size was recognised before the footings were even finished (in Ben Garner's time) so plans were drawn up for a rebuild to rectify this and these were passed by the planners in November 2021. I would suggest that a normal business which had recognised that a key facility was not fit for purpose would do what Rovers did, draw up plans to fix the problem, but then, unlike Rovers, they would implement the plans at the earliest opportunity. When JB was under pressure last October he mentioned in an interview that he could not fit his whole squad into the clubhouse let alone his coaching and support staff so this problem is not hearsay it is real. And that is confirmed by the documents submitted to the planners by the consultants Kendall Kingscott. So why were we not prepared and ready to go with the rebuild so that the problem was fixed ready for the start of this season ? If we consider Rovers to have become a modern professional business can we really accept ITB's lame excuse that materials and labour are in short supply and builders are busy at the moment ? I'm not sure what you mean when you say "BRFC are now getting what they need" because what we have on this thread looks very much like another "12 stadium experts" moment. Unwittingly or not ITB has come up with the notion that it doesn't really matter when or whether the rebuild of the clubhouse takes place because we are now looking at a completely new first team complex being built near to where the gym is located and it will be complemented by facilities which the community are able to use. Is this really going to happen ? Or is it a similar diversion to the one we fell for about the Mem rebuild after UWE I collapsed ? |
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Post by trymer on Aug 5, 2022 15:08:31 GMT
So I take it Swiss just from what you are saying here - 2019 - You are unhappy that a training ground was started based on existing plans 2020 - you are unhappy that a mistake was rectified 2021 - you are unhappy that he got planning permission 2022 - you are unhappy that news of the plan for which he got planning permission was leaked and that it will be better for the community..... Swiss, you know how much I have respect for your thoughts as they are usually well constructed arguments. However this is coming across as you just being unhappy that BRFC are getting what they need. This thread contains comments that gave the impression that the original build was going to be demolished to make way for a bigger build. We now understand that that is incorrect and walls are being taken down to accommodate a bigger and better facility. It may be that previous managers thought the proposed facility was adequate but subsequently it was realised it wasn't and the current manager has required a bigger facility, which he is getting. Perhaps I'm missing something Regards Cheshire Hi Chesh You must be as dizzy as me with the constant going around in circles. The post was made in response to contradiction who is rarely willing to engage in sensible debate. I made no attempt to hide the fact that I thought going ahead with the training ground the way we did was wrong and I gave detailed reasons for that. If we had carried through with the original plans which Evans Jones were contracted to draw up in 2018 and the project was carried out properly to a timescale with modern buildings and careful budgeting then I should have been all for it. The mistake of going ahead with a building of inadequate size was recognised before the footings were even finished (in Ben Garner's time) so plans were drawn up for a rebuild to rectify this and these were passed by the planners in November 2021. I would suggest that a normal business which had recognised that a key facility was not fit for purpose would do what Rovers did, draw up plans to fix the problem, but then, unlike Rovers, they would implement the plans at the earliest opportunity. When JB was under pressure last October he mentioned in an interview that he could not fit his whole squad into the clubhouse let alone his coaching and support staff so this problem is not hearsay it is real. And that is confirmed by the documents submitted to the planners by the consultants Kendall Kingscott. So why were we not prepared and ready to go with the rebuild so that the problem was fixed ready for the start of this season ? If we consider Rovers to have become a modern professional business can we really accept ITB's lame excuse that materials and labour are in short supply and builders are busy at the moment ? I'm not sure what you mean when you say "BRFC are now getting what they need" because what we have on this thread looks very much like another "12 stadium experts" moment. Unwittingly or not ITB has come up with the notion that it doesn't really matter when or whether the rebuild of the clubhouse takes place because we are now looking at a completely new first team complex being built near to where the gym is located and it will be complemented by facilities which the community are able to use. Is this really going to happen ? Or is it a similar diversion to the one we fell for about the Mem rebuild after UWE II collapsed ? Who's this 'we' Swiss ? I didnt fall for the guff about rebuilding the Mem or the Fruit market fantasy either. |
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Post by irenestoyboy on Aug 6, 2022 5:59:44 GMT
If it’s that bad, then in my opinion, you have a duty of care to the fanbase to tell all IMO. If not, then you are complicit in whatever is going to fail the club. If the owner kept to his duty of care then i would , also. I have had a mare in even mentioning it as i know how those who dig, are attacked for want of better word. I was going to PM you the details but thought better of it The owners duty of care is to provide ££ to underwrite the current losses but also to transform and modernise the club, which he is doing. You suggest that the owner/board are doing sinister things, an accusation which has been levelled before and disproven and certainly from the outside looking in, seems to be untrue again. So your duty of care is either to stop bulls**tting or to reveal all if it’s as sinister as you are making it out to be. It’s like you are morphing into Knowall and Chappell mark II. |
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Post by irenestoyboy on Aug 6, 2022 6:07:06 GMT
So I take it Swiss just from what you are saying here - 2019 - You are unhappy that a training ground was started based on existing plans 2020 - you are unhappy that a mistake was rectified 2021 - you are unhappy that he got planning permission 2022 - you are unhappy that news of the plan for which he got planning permission was leaked and that it will be better for the community..... Swiss, you know how much I have respect for your thoughts as they are usually well constructed arguments. However this is coming across as you just being unhappy that BRFC are getting what they need. This thread contains comments that gave the impression that the original build was going to be demolished to make way for a bigger build. We now understand that that is incorrect and walls are being taken down to accommodate a bigger and better facility. It may be that previous managers thought the proposed facility was adequate but subsequently it was realised it wasn't and the current manager has required a bigger facility, which he is getting. Perhaps I'm missing something Regards Cheshire Hi Chesh You must be as dizzy as me with the constant going around in circles. The post was made in response to contradiction who is rarely willing to engage in sensible debate. I made no attempt to hide the fact that I thought going ahead with the training ground the way we did was wrong and I gave detailed reasons for that. If we had gone through with the original plans which Evans Jones were contracted to draw up in 2018 and the project was carried out properly to a timescale with modern buildings and careful budgeting then I should have been all for it. The mistake of going ahead with a building of inadequate size was recognised before the footings were even finished (in Ben Garner's time) so plans were drawn up for a rebuild to rectify this and these were passed by the planners in November 2021. I would suggest that a normal business which had recognised that a key facility was not fit for purpose would do what Rovers did, draw up plans to fix the problem, but then, unlike Rovers, they would implement the plans at the earliest opportunity. When JB was under pressure last October he mentioned in an interview that he could not fit his whole squad into the clubhouse let alone his coaching and support staff so this problem is not hearsay it is real. And that is confirmed by the documents submitted to the planners by the consultants Kendall Kingscott. So why were we not prepared and ready to go with the rebuild so that the problem was fixed ready for the start of this season ? If we consider Rovers to have become a modern professional business can we really accept ITB's lame excuse that materials and labour are in short supply and builders are busy at the moment ? I'm not sure what you mean when you say "BRFC are now getting what they need" because what we have on this thread looks very much like another "12 stadium experts" moment. Unwittingly or not ITB has come up with the notion that it doesn't really matter when or whether the rebuild of the clubhouse takes place because we are now looking at a completely new first team complex being built near to where the gym is located and it will be complemented by facilities which the community are able to use. Is this really going to happen ? Or is it a similar diversion to the one we fell for about the Mem rebuild after UWE I collapsed ? We didn’t have a permanent training facility because we had to leave the old Axa site and temporarily use Combe Dingle as a base. To completely redesign the existing building would have required more replanning, approvals, impact studies etc. Building to the existing plans and then extending it later meant we could crack on, get an initial phase in and operational and then go through planning to extend. It’s a phased development. |
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Post by irenestoyboy on Aug 6, 2022 6:15:04 GMT
Better than being told something from the horses mouth than based on a load of supposition and guesswork spun with a negative context which turns out to be utter nonsense. What you took and ran with from Swiss was the statement he has just posted above. Nothing about knocking anything down and starting again. Some of our fans honestly…🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️ Don’t know what the motivation is to spread such utter BS or believe such utter BS. The bigger and most important thing is something i will not post as i knowing the reaction. At least i stay fairly consistent whereas you started off as a huge critic of Wael before your damascene experience and are now the unofficial club spokesperson or version of Pravda as many say I think all the medication you are taking is affecting your thinking equilibrium. I can offer as much criticism as I can praise and have done so fairly throughout. There was no damascene experience as you put it, it’s just called being objective and calling out people that have an obvious narrative vs the actual reality. Also, I just think that are owner deserves a modicum of respect for actually making sure we have a club to support on a Saturday afternoon. Because ready assured, the likes of the people who think they can run a club, Swiss included, don’t have the means to do it, regardless of their ability to crunch and operate a balance sheet. |
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Post by trymer on Aug 6, 2022 8:22:06 GMT
The bigger and most important thing is something i will not post as i knowing the reaction. At least i stay fairly consistent whereas you started off as a huge critic of Wael before your damascene experience and are now the unofficial club spokesperson or version of Pravda as many say I think all the medication you are taking is affecting your thinking equilibrium. I can offer as much criticism as I can praise and have done so fairly throughout. There was no damascene experience as you put it, it’s just called being objective and calling out people that have an obvious narrative vs the actual reality. Also, I just think that are owner deserves a modicum of respect for actually making sure we have a club to support on a Saturday afternoon. Because ready assured, the likes of the people who think they can run a club, Swiss included, don’t have the means to do it, regardless of their ability to crunch and operate a balance sheet. Very poor taste to mock someones illness,quite unnecessary and its even sadder to see that someone has liked your post. |
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Post by bloogas on Aug 6, 2022 8:52:48 GMT
Trymer - for the record - I "liked" ITB's comments about the owner. Unfortunately, if you press the "like" button, it implies that you like the whole post, which may not be the case. Further, I too have an auto—immune condition which requires treatment by two different steroids and other medicines. You might concede therefore that I have somewhat more insight into KP's problems than most. I regret that you have misunderstood me.
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 6, 2022 9:09:23 GMT
The bigger and most important thing is something i will not post as i knowing the reaction. At least i stay fairly consistent whereas you started off as a huge critic of Wael before your damascene experience and are now the unofficial club spokesperson or version of Pravda as many say I think all the medication you are taking is affecting your thinking equilibrium. I can offer as much criticism as I can praise and have done so fairly throughout. There was no damascene experience as you put it, it’s just called being objective and calling out people that have an obvious narrative vs the actual reality. Also, I just think that are owner deserves a modicum of respect for actually making sure we have a club to support on a Saturday afternoon. Because ready assured, the likes of the people who think they can run a club, Swiss included, don’t have the means to do it, regardless of their ability to crunch and operate a balance sheet. The first comment is beneath you itb. Perhaps reflect on editing it. |
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Aug 6, 2022 10:19:02 GMT
Use in football
"Goodnight Irene" is sung by supporters of English football team Bristol Rovers. It was first sung at a fireworks display at the Stadium the night before a Home game against Plymouth Argyle in 1950. During the game, the following day, Rovers were winning quite comfortably and the few Argyle supporters present began to leave early prompting a chorus of "Goodnight Argyle" from the Rovers supporters—the tune stuck and "Goodnight Irene" became the club song. The song was sung by Plymouth Argyle supporters for a long time before this and this added to the goading by the Bristol Rovers fans.[34][35]
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 6, 2022 10:53:52 GMT
I think all the medication you are taking is affecting your thinking equilibrium. I can offer as much criticism as I can praise and have done so fairly throughout. There was no damascene experience as you put it, it’s just called being objective and calling out people that have an obvious narrative vs the actual reality. Also, I just think that are owner deserves a modicum of respect for actually making sure we have a club to support on a Saturday afternoon. Because ready assured, the likes of the people who think they can run a club, Swiss included, don’t have the means to do it, regardless of their ability to crunch and operate a balance sheet. Very poor taste to mock someones illness,quite unnecessary and its even sadder to see that someone has liked your post. That is his MO when he has no more to offer than Wael backs us so we must obey. I do not take it to heart and he did this with Brian of gasincider. Very poor and lacking class |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 6, 2022 10:58:21 GMT
If the owner kept to his duty of care then i would , also. I have had a mare in even mentioning it as i know how those who dig, are attacked for want of better word. I was going to PM you the details but thought better of it The owners duty of care is to provide ££ to underwrite the current losses but also to transform and modernise the club, which he is doing. You suggest that the owner/board are doing sinister things, an accusation which has been levelled before and disproven and certainly from the outside looking in, seems to be untrue again. So your duty of care is either to stop bulls**tting or to reveal all if it’s as sinister as you are making it out to be. It’s like you are morphing into Knowall and Chappell mark II. As usual, the same lines, over and over. Maybe try some new level of attack. You really are flustered aren’t you 😂 |
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Post by irenestoyboy on Aug 6, 2022 13:41:50 GMT
Very poor taste to mock someones illness,quite unnecessary and its even sadder to see that someone has liked your post. That is his MO when he has no more to offer than Wael backs us so we must obey. I do not take it to heart and he did this with Brian of gasincider. Very poor and lacking class I’m not mocking, I’m trying to understand your thinking for why you attack me the way you do? It’s not the first time either. I’ve always been open on both forums Jools, but you haven’t/aren’t. You have dropped some crumbs of ITK info, but when pressed on it you run down the rabbit hole and start attacking the ones who question it. The irony is you mention GI, this latest thread is from his copybook! The other irony is that he use to Barb me in the same way, and I never said anything, but when I nibble back, he started playing the victim, just like you are doing now. It’s boring straw man forum tactics. My comment perhaps lacked class, but I don’t think you can claim any moral high ground either, if you were as honest with yourself as you like to project yourself to be. Listen Jools, each of us are welcome to each other’s opinion on whether Wael is a good or a bad owner, but that isn’t the talking point here. The talking point is you dropped something ITK but don’t want to expand for fear of sending the place into meltdown. Why say anything at all then? Either you want an ego massage or you want to tell the fanbase information? Which is it? If it’s the first one, well done, you are probably enjoying the thrill right now. But if you don’t want to elaborate, then save face and keep the bottom half shut, then no one else will question you. Am I Flustered? Not at all. I don’t get flustered that easily and certainly not by anyone on an Internet forum! |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 6, 2022 16:05:25 GMT
That is his MO when he has no more to offer than Wael backs us so we must obey. I do not take it to heart and he did this with Brian of gasincider. Very poor and lacking class I’m not mocking, I’m trying to understand your thinking for why you attack me the way you do? It’s not the first time either. I’ve always been open on both forums Jools, but you haven’t/aren’t. You have dropped some crumbs of ITK info, but when pressed on it you run down the rabbit hole and start attacking the ones who question it. The irony is you mention GI, this latest thread is from his copybook! The other irony is that he use to Barb me in the same way, and I never said anything, but when I nibble back, he started playing the victim, just like you are doing now. It’s boring straw man forum tactics. My comment perhaps lacked class, but I don’t think you can claim any moral high ground either, if you were as honest with yourself as you like to project yourself to be. Listen Jools, each of us are welcome to each other’s opinion on whether Wael is a good or a bad owner, but that isn’t the talking point here. The talking point is you dropped something ITK but don’t want to expand for fear of sending the place into meltdown. Why say anything at all then? Either you want an ego massage or you want to tell the fanbase information? Which is it? If it’s the first one, well done, you are probably enjoying the thrill right now. But if you don’t want to elaborate, then save face and keep the bottom half shut, then no one else will question you. Am I Flustered? Not at all. I don’t get flustered that easily and certainly not by anyone on an Internet forum! I shouldn’t reply but it’s guaranteed that you will comment on anything like this but to start with the line you did, well, that has now shown me the real you. Those who i wish to know have been sent what I know, you are not one of them so live with it. I have no reason to trust you as you are the unofficial flag waver for those who run the club. As for shutting up 😂 whop died and made you boss ? How you hate it when you cannot get to pick at something. Flustered you most certainly are. You have shown a real lack of class in what you posted and i will no longer engage in any conversation with you. That showed the real you. I am sure you get the message |
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