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Post by The Concept on Nov 21, 2023 18:21:42 GMT
Document from April 2022. Skip right to the bottom to see the proposed residential development is pretty much the footprint of the existing training pitches. I suppose from a planning point of view, that’s the most logical place. Adjacent to already existing housing and next to the road for access. Yes, agreed, and easiest way, and least disruption, for getting the utilities in place. And I guess Woodlands Lane, to the west of the site, will be a private road that can't be used. Looks like the same entrance shared with The Quarters, although I appreciate theses will be rough, initial plans. But makes a bit of a mockery of the phase 2 & phase 3 plans we saw around the same time. And we've had continued talk about the expansion and getting Rovers' teams, including the Academy, all on the one site. Whether or not selling part of The Quarters for housing would be a benefit to the club, I just don't see how the land that would be left over can be used to house all Rovers' teams |
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Post by droitwichgas on Nov 21, 2023 21:02:05 GMT
I suppose from a planning point of view, that’s the most logical place. Adjacent to already existing housing and next to the road for access. Yes, agreed, and easiest way, and least disruption, for getting the utilities in place. And I guess Woodlands Lane, to the west of the site, will be a private road that can't be used. Looks like the same entrance shared with The Quarters, although I appreciate theses will be rough, initial plans. But makes a bit of a mockery of the phase 2 & phase 3 plans we saw around the same time. And we've had continued talk about the expansion and getting Rovers' teams, including the Academy, all on the one site. Whether or not selling part of The Quarters for housing would be a benefit to the club, I just don't see how the land that would be left over can be used to house all Rovers' teams Perhaps the new owners have no interest in selling the land for development, given that these plans predate their arrival or perhaps Wael/TG never told them about their plans? It's not even clear who now owns the land as previously it was kept separate from DS/BRFC. What seems odd is spending £100K's on laying Championship level training pitches on land they had earmarked to sell for housing inside 5 years. Why didn't they lay the pitches elsewhere and then use that land for car parking etc? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2023 21:34:57 GMT
Yes, agreed, and easiest way, and least disruption, for getting the utilities in place. And I guess Woodlands Lane, to the west of the site, will be a private road that can't be used. Looks like the same entrance shared with The Quarters, although I appreciate theses will be rough, initial plans. But makes a bit of a mockery of the phase 2 & phase 3 plans we saw around the same time. And we've had continued talk about the expansion and getting Rovers' teams, including the Academy, all on the one site. Whether or not selling part of The Quarters for housing would be a benefit to the club, I just don't see how the land that would be left over can be used to house all Rovers' teams Perhaps the new owners have no interest in selling the land for development, given that these plans predate their arrival or perhaps Wael/TG never told them about their plans? It's not even clear who now owns the land as previously it was kept separate from DS/BRFC. What seems odd is spending £100K's on laying Championship level training pitches on land they had earmarked to sell for housing inside 5 years. Why didn't they lay the pitches elsewhere and then use that land for car parking etc? Rest assured the new owners are fully aware of the potential of The Quarters. Are you suggesting that they didn't carry out due diligence? The Quarters is under the ownership of the Dwane Sports umbrella and Bristol Rovers are named on the application to SGC. Maybe Wael never realised that he was going to run out of cash and didn't think about capitalising on the land until after the pitches had been laid. What is clear is that raising funds from the land is now very much on the agenda and has been for some time. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2023 21:55:53 GMT
So all the boasting about development of The Quarters was a load of old snipe?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2023 22:21:45 GMT
So all the boasting about development of The Quarters was a load of old snipe? Lots of room there Shoveler. Take a flight over and have a look. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 22, 2023 0:21:17 GMT
So this has been in the works since at least April 2022 (realistically it probably took a few months before that to put this together)
So it would have been part of the sales pitch to the Al Saeeds
And the option only popped up after Hani’s exit from Brfc
Is that about the size of it? If so, it seems that Wael might have been a bit more astute than we thought, and bringing the new owners apparent business skills on board should help execute
Or am I getting a bit carried away after a few slivers of positivity?
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 22, 2023 11:34:34 GMT
So this has been in the works since at least April 2022 (realistically it probably took a few months before that to put this together) So it would have been part of the sales pitch to the Al Saeeds And the option only popped up after Hani’s exit from Brfc Is that about the size of it? If so, it seems that Wael might have been a bit more astute than we thought, and bringing the new owners apparent business skills on board should help execute Or am I getting a bit carried away after a few slivers of positivity? If your timelines are correct, then you would have to conclude that this indeed part of a cunning plan hatched quite some time before the Hussain Al-Saeed takeover. And perhaps this explains the lack of progress at the Quarters. Why the "knock down bits of it and re-build it" never happened... |
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Post by bondigas on Nov 22, 2023 12:17:50 GMT
I'm not sure anyone has been that clever or astute. SGC issued a statement like "we buy your car for cash" and needs land for development to fill its required new housing quota over the next 30 years, which obviously includes the possibility of developing green field sites. This is what SGC tested the water with to see what possibly could be out there when it came to land availability. Rovers went for it because football sustainability was becoming and probably still is a problem. What is disappointing is the consideration of even selling part of one of the club's crown jewels which can only increase in value. I'd rather see the new owners reset the entire club that has seen the previous owners blow 30 million plus over the last seven and a half years and yet still the team remains 10th in League 1
The Al Saeeds have a lot of hard work ahead of them to turn the ship around and stop sailing in choppy waters everyday.
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Post by womble on Nov 22, 2023 18:59:03 GMT
In reply to the 2022 South Glos ‘Call for Sites’ in preparation for the new local plan, Avison Young, responding for the club, included “later living” residential models as part of their description of possible development. Perhaps your plan may yet come to fruition. 😀 I guess I should declare an interest Womble. My interest is Bristol Rovers. And my fear is that selling a portion of the training ground to developers could raise X millions but that those X millions will quickly disappear into a black hole instread of enabling the total transformation of the club which is what is needed. If we want a first class training ground and a first class stadium then we've got to stop looking for the quick easy solutions of which selling off assets is one. Much better IMO if we could find a way to squeeze more out of the asset than just its value as developmend land and at the same time create a first class and sustainable football training facility. You would hope that any income from a land sale to a residential developer would be ring fenced to develop The Quarters. This presumably explains why the club have not completed the planning conditions with regard to fencing, paths and landscaping, and South Glos planning department appear to have not made much of an effort to push them. |
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Post by droitwichgas on Nov 22, 2023 21:14:10 GMT
Perhaps the new owners have no interest in selling the land for development, given that these plans predate their arrival or perhaps Wael/TG never told them about their plans? It's not even clear who now owns the land as previously it was kept separate from DS/BRFC. What seems odd is spending £100K's on laying Championship level training pitches on land they had earmarked to sell for housing inside 5 years. Why didn't they lay the pitches elsewhere and then use that land for car parking etc? Rest assured the new owners are fully aware of the potential of The Quarters. Are you suggesting that they didn't carry out due diligence? The Quarters is under the ownership of the Dwane Sports umbrella and Bristol Rovers are named on the application to SGC. Maybe Wael never realised that he was going to run out of cash and didn't think about capitalising on the land until after the pitches had been laid. What is clear is that raising funds from the land is now very much on the agenda and has been for some time. The new owners admitted due diligence was fairly limited until they got the keys to the door. We've no real idea what Wael disclosed before the deal was agreed, or who actually now owns the land at The Quarters as originally it was owned by a separate DS entity. |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Nov 22, 2023 21:20:48 GMT
So all the boasting about development of The Quarters was a load of old snipe? Lots of room there Shoveler. Take a flight over and have a look. Whilst you are at it swing by Trashton and you know what to do there…… |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2023 23:38:47 GMT
Rest assured the new owners are fully aware of the potential of The Quarters. Are you suggesting that they didn't carry out due diligence? The Quarters is under the ownership of the Dwane Sports umbrella and Bristol Rovers are named on the application to SGC. Maybe Wael never realised that he was going to run out of cash and didn't think about capitalising on the land until after the pitches had been laid. What is clear is that raising funds from the land is now very much on the agenda and has been for some time. The new owners admitted due diligence was fairly limited until they got the keys to the door. We've no real idea what Wael disclosed before the deal was agreed, or who actually now owns the land at The Quarters as originally it was owned by a separate DS entity.   Looks like none of it can be sold until the Nationwide loan is repaid as they have a charge on The Quarters as well as The Mem. |
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Post by swissgas on Nov 23, 2023 16:04:50 GMT
So this has been in the works since at least April 2022 (realistically it probably took a few months before that to put this together) So it would have been part of the sales pitch to the Al Saeeds And the option only popped up after Hani’s exit from Brfc Is that about the size of it? If so, it seems that Wael might have been a bit more astute than we thought, and bringing the new owners apparent business skills on board should help execute Or am I getting a bit carried away after a few slivers of positivity? You’re getting a bit carried away ampg  Here’s an example of astuteness. 2018 - 2020. 3 year training ground running costs (leased). £ 300 000. Avg league pos 58th 2021 - 2023. 3 year training ground infrastructure & running costs £ 3 900 000. Avg league pos 67th (infrastructure would be lost if new housing plan implemented) This is why I suggested in 2020 that it would be wise to continue leasing a training ground while a thorough investigation was made to determine how best to realize the potential of this land. The investigation would have involved close liaison with South Glos Council and the objective to find a way of providing Rovers with a first class training centre that would be sustainable. |
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Post by The Concept on Nov 25, 2023 14:05:42 GMT
Yes, agreed, and easiest way, and least disruption, for getting the utilities in place. And I guess Woodlands Lane, to the west of the site, will be a private road that can't be used. Looks like the same entrance shared with The Quarters, although I appreciate theses will be rough, initial plans. But makes a bit of a mockery of the phase 2 & phase 3 plans we saw around the same time. And we've had continued talk about the expansion and getting Rovers' teams, including the Academy, all on the one site. Whether or not selling part of The Quarters for housing would be a benefit to the club, I just don't see how the land that would be left over can be used to house all Rovers' teams Perhaps the new owners have no interest in selling the land for development, given that these plans predate their arrival or perhaps Wael/TG never told them about their plans? It's not even clear who now owns the land as previously it was kept separate from DS/BRFC. What seems odd is spending £100K's on laying Championship level training pitches on land they had earmarked to sell for housing inside 5 years.
Why didn't they lay the pitches elsewhere and then use that land for car parking etc?Yes, it does seem odd. And pitches appear to be re-laid/re-seeded every year, along with the pitch at The Mem, so a fair bit of money has been spent on them. Selling some land for housing might be in Rovers interests, but I just don't see how the size of the rest of the site can accommodate plans to expand the footballing use to get the whole of the club in one place. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 1, 2023 16:16:01 GMT
So this has been in the works since at least April 2022 (realistically it probably took a few months before that to put this together) So it would have been part of the sales pitch to the Al Saeeds And the option only popped up after Hani’s exit from Brfc Is that about the size of it? If so, it seems that Wael might have been a bit more astute than we thought, and bringing the new owners apparent business skills on board should help execute Or am I getting a bit carried away after a few slivers of positivity? Well, apart from the fact that his name is Matt Taylor, which is hardly his fault, another very positive step forward today I'm liking the cut of the Al Sayeeds' jibs |
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Post by darloGas on Dec 1, 2023 18:11:04 GMT
So this has been in the works since at least April 2022 (realistically it probably took a few months before that to put this together) So it would have been part of the sales pitch to the Al Saeeds And the option only popped up after Hani’s exit from Brfc Is that about the size of it? If so, it seems that Wael might have been a bit more astute than we thought, and bringing the new owners apparent business skills on board should help execute Or am I getting a bit carried away after a few slivers of positivity? Well, apart from the fact that his name is Matt Taylor, which is hardly his fault, another very positive step forward today I'm liking the cut of the Al Sayeeds' jibs Yes, and a word of caution to all Radio Bristol commentators/pundits . . . we'll have none of that 'Matty' nonsense. Matt or Matthew will do nicely. Thankyou for your cooperation (if any of you at the BBC happen to read this). #UpTheROVERS |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2023 18:25:26 GMT
Well, apart from the fact that his name is Matt Taylor, which is hardly his fault, another very positive step forward today I'm liking the cut of the Al Sayeeds' jibs Yes, and a word of caution to all Radio Bristol commentators/pundits . . . we'll have none of that 'Matty' nonsense. Matt or Matthew will do nicely. Thankyou for your cooperation (if any of you at the BBC happen to read this). #UpTheROVERSNobody I know has ever called him Matty (except in a terrace song at St James Park) Matt will do just fine.  |
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Post by lostinspace on Dec 1, 2023 18:26:26 GMT
Well, apart from the fact that his name is Matt Taylor, which is hardly his fault, another very positive step forward today I'm liking the cut of the Al Sayeeds' jibs Yes, and a word of caution to all Radio Bristol commentators/pundits . . . we'll have none of that 'Matty' nonsense. Matt or Matthew will do nicely. Thankyou for your cooperation (if any of you at the BBC happen to read this). #UpTheROVERSCan anyone photo shop the red out of this shot 😏 ( sooner rather than later 😊) |
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Post by darloGas on Dec 1, 2023 19:16:40 GMT
Yes, and a word of caution to all Radio Bristol commentators/pundits . . . we'll have none of that 'Matty' nonsense. Matt or Matthew will do nicely. Thankyou for your cooperation (if any of you at the BBC happen to read this). #UpTheROVERSNobody I know has ever called him Matty (except in a terrace song at St James Park) Matt will do just fine. Phew! Thank goodness.
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