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Post by tanksfull on Feb 11, 2018 21:22:47 GMT
Haven't checked what you are saying, can you pop a link up to it? But hey, why would we be surprised that anybody who regards an event where at least one horse dies in this country a day in competition as 'sport' has a dark side? The whole thing stinks, top to bottom. lmgtfy.com/?q=Michael+Turl+BHASorry I'm not quite as sophisticated but it's also worth looking here - www.britishhorseracing.com/press_releases/result-of-a-disciplinary-panel-hearing-neil-clement-eddie-ahern-martin-raymond-and-paul-hill/ - as this gives the details of the associated enquiry and allows people to separate the two. It is very possible that Mike Turl was not even aware of the "corrupt practice to exploit inside information from Mr Clutterbuck" but he was technically responsible. The numbers might seem large to me (and most) but it might not be for others.
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Post by tanksfull on Feb 11, 2018 19:44:45 GMT
Looks like Mike Turl has some dodgy mates. But then, we already knew that That's about the sum of it Rex.
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Post by tanksfull on Feb 11, 2018 19:26:16 GMT
I don't think it was the jockey; "exploit inside information from Mr Clutterbuck (the assistant trainer of the horse)" Mike Turl may not have even known where the information came from or that it was in breach of the rules. Agreed. My point is only that pinning this on "bookies" is false. Bookies had nothing to do with it from what I have seen.
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Post by tanksfull on Feb 11, 2018 18:47:14 GMT
But you said Betfair were involved? Sorry, not trying to misunderstand it's that I know nothing about betting, you're going to have to explain how this works as I avoid this ''sport'' like the plague. Betfair is an exchange, it pits people who want to bet against people who want to "lay" e.g. bet against. Anyone can take either side. In this case, the jockey advised Mr Clement to lay the specific horse, and Mr Clement used Mr Turl's Betfair account to do that. No bookies involved. I don't think it was the jockey; "exploit inside information from Mr Clutterbuck (the assistant trainer of the horse)" Mike Turl may not have even known where the information came from or that it was in breach of the rules.
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Post by tanksfull on Feb 11, 2018 18:40:05 GMT
Presumably not. Either way, there was no bookie involved. Why was the jockey banned for 15 years sounds a bit like race fixing but I could be wrong Assuming we are dealing with the same person as I have looked up:- Betfair, in this case, is the "exchange" and it was a "lay" bet; not technically a bookie. He pleaded guilty as he was technically in breach of the rules. The jockey in question was not the same one who was banned for 10 years although, through other people, there was a connection. That, I think, was Eddie Ahern and the jockey here was Adam Kirby who did nothing wrong. As said before it's all there on the BHA website and freely available.
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Post by tanksfull on Feb 10, 2018 15:31:50 GMT
What makes you think it was ill conceived? The Club asked for it to be set up and a number of people volunteered to help with what they see as a very worthwhile association. They receive great support and Steve Hamer was at the golf day as was Marcus Stewart. I'd suggest they are very well organised; ask Stuart Taylor what he thinks. Are you taking the p155. Stuart was my landlord for 9 years and now has Louis body Alzheimer’s. The club didn’t ask for it either but I will leave it there. Poor form to say ask Stuart, I visited him around a month ago & it was a very sobering experience so your post has angered me and it’s just for the best that I write no more on this topic I gather from your comment that you are not aware that the BRFPA organised and, along with the PFA, paid a large amount towards his bed then? brfpa.org.uk/ - older posts at the bottom and scroll down. I sponsored their golf day and have taken a table for the dinner on 26 April. You would be very welcome to join me/us if you would like to learn more and help their cause. brfpa.org.uk/2017-golf-day/
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Post by tanksfull on Feb 9, 2018 20:13:31 GMT
Obviously, some of us weren't so careful when it comes to libelous content! I'm struggling to see in the thread what was said wrong.. Maybe it's just me. Freedom of speech seems to be an illusion., but at least this post keeps it up (ooooooeeeer!). Nope, every time a new thread is started this drops down a place. Just new threads?
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Post by tanksfull on Feb 8, 2018 15:27:08 GMT
I guess no-one will ever know but there is a suggestion that this "encounter" was set up by his supporters. Desperate. Really desperate. Meaning he is desperate or the people saying it was staged? I think one of his "mentors" punched a lady that was there? Edit: Thought I should add that I'm not advocating either. Just stating what has been said and the videos I have seen.
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Post by tanksfull on Feb 8, 2018 15:07:02 GMT
the level of debate they bring is disruption/shouting anyway we digress , It's an interesting digression. "Neanderthal". That's an interesting insult to throw at Jacob Rees-Mogg. Here is a BBC article about J Rees-Mogg being heckled. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-42926535 He had the audacity to try and talk to protesters. Eye witness account "It looked to me that Mr Rees-Mogg was actually pushed and shoved, although he insists he wasn't." Undeniably Jacob-Rees Mogg was at the centre of "a very aggressive and unexpected scene". But gentleman that he is - plays down the incident. So let me get this right - Jacob-Rees Mogg is the neanderthal here - right? The mob attacking him (and his democratic right to express his opinion) - they are "the good guys". I guess no-one will ever know but there is a suggestion that this "encounter" was set up by his supporters.
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Post by tanksfull on Feb 8, 2018 9:23:41 GMT
Just seen this comment posted on his facebook page. "Three spare seats on our table they should have put you with us. They only had to ask. Great to see you guys there today utg". Also Martin Bull appears to know something about what the problem was. I think he posts on here. Maybe he could enlighten us to help end the debate? "Martin Bull Martin Bull Bit more complicated than that & also please note that the BRFPA are volunteers & not paid or employed. Just trying to do our best with former players." Angas . The brfpa was Ill conceived and has has little or no planning put into it, they have a twitter page and I don’t think have any affiliation to the club at all. IF they did this then I’d expect them to be torn off a strip and to be made to follow guidelines that others do and not expect the club to just accommodate what they say. They really are nor organised at all, in any way. I will wait and see who sent Punky the details and /or tickets. If it was them then I don’t be,I EE the club have any reason to be blamed BUT once he was there, much could have been done to at least make him feel wanted and treated like the hero he was to many of us of of a certain age What makes you think it was ill conceived? The Club asked for it to be set up and a number of people volunteered to help with what they see as a very worthwhile association. They receive great support and Steve Hamer was at the golf day as was Marcus Stewart. I'd suggest they are very well organised; ask Stuart Taylor what he thinks.
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Post by tanksfull on Dec 21, 2017 12:26:56 GMT
With regard to Q6/ ... no one was shot. Since January of this year, it's become more pleasing that the player whose shot hit the post didn't get all the glory, and won't be remembered as the one to score the crucial goal. I've not seen or heard anyone else mention this, but I've always thought that the goalkeeper got the slightest touch to divert it onto the post. If he hadn't, might the ball have gone straight in, or in off the post? Or worse still, if he hadn't, might the ball have taken a different angle off the post, out of the reach of the on-rushing Lee Brown ...? Turncoat had already missed 4 open goals, he wasn't going to score, but the good news is, even if that shot had evaded Browner, there was still 30 seconds to play, so we would have created another 11 chances. From here, you can freeze it as the ball goes past the keeper, looks like no help was needed in wasting this simple chance to score I suffer with dry eyes so I have to watch this, or a similar video, at least 10 times a day to resolve the problem.
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Post by tanksfull on Nov 24, 2017 15:18:58 GMT
But Emile Heskey played alongside Michael Owen and THEY produced one of the most prolific partnerships. Sounds like a one sided partnership. Emile 7 goals in 62 games, but does include some memorable misses and comical falling over. Michael 40 in 89 appearances. Of course it does. Have a look around and see what Michael Owen thinks about their partnership and what Emile Heskey contributed to it. Very doubtful that Owen would have done as well without him (or maybe someone very similar) alongside. Heskey was an awkward guy to mark and that left gaps for Owen to exploit.
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Post by tanksfull on Nov 24, 2017 9:51:08 GMT
Just a question how many caps has cahill got? Wiki says 58. Emile Heskey won 62. The defence rests But Emile Heskey played alongside Michael Owen and THEY produced one of the most prolific partnerships.
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Post by tanksfull on Nov 20, 2017 8:57:30 GMT
5. Once every season, we have our smallest home gate of the season.
It could be twice or more if it's a dead heat. Ian seems to have a great BIG sign on his cabin in the car park saying "Ian Holtby Stadium Manager". It really looks out of place as though someone wants someone to actually see it.
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Post by tanksfull on Nov 5, 2017 10:03:34 GMT
Well done to the FA (it's not often they get much praise). This really appeals to my Corinthian values. This incident very similar to that serial cheat Ramos in the Champions League final when he feigned injury to get Cuadrado sent off. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41862125Wasn't Dean Saunders retrospectively "dealt with" after a game against us? Possibly when he was playing for Villa? Early 1990's? An elbow if I recall correctly.
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Post by tanksfull on Oct 20, 2017 11:50:16 GMT
What a sad thread.
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Post by tanksfull on Oct 10, 2017 9:05:35 GMT
The moment he decided that he was going to wait, right to the end, to see what other offers he was going to get was the moment we should have told him to bugger off and walk away. And that's not hindsight. The very least it was going to do was upset other members of the squad. Having said that I think we were right to leave Stoke to make a decision on Sweeney at the last minute. I'm thinking the overall deal was likely very beneficial to us. At any stage we could have found someone else and it wasn't totally the player's call. If you mean the close season between his loan spell & signing permanently (??) I completely agree. Those were my thoughts at the time - he's dithering so he doesn't really want to come. Right,move on! Forget him. It's a thing I like about DC - first & foremost a player's got to want to play for us. OK,commitment isn't everything but it's a bloody good starting point. I could only assume, at the time, he thought he was really better than us and waited to see if (in his opinion) a better club, with a bigger offer, came in for him. His actions when we went down proved it. He was not the right person to wait for. Commitment is certainly not everything but if he thought he was better than us his head was never going to, consistently, put in the performances which we needed. No blame at all on him; totally down to our "management" at the time.
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Post by tanksfull on Oct 9, 2017 18:32:53 GMT
The fact John Ward gave him a free role contributed to our relegation , yes he scored goals but that left a huge gap in the midfield. No time for him he thought he should be at a bigger club but has ended up with Northampton - really...... The moment he decided that he was going to wait, right to the end, to see what other offers he was going to get was the moment we should have told him to bugger off and walk away. And that's not hindsight. The very least it was going to do was upset other members of the squad. Having said that I think we were right to leave Stoke to make a decision on Sweeney at the last minute. I'm thinking the overall deal was likely very beneficial to us. At any stage we could have found someone else and it wasn't totally the player's call.
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Post by tanksfull on Oct 8, 2017 12:35:49 GMT
Any 6-0 win is a superb achievement and you can only play against what is in front of you.
A couple of comments though to keep the perspective: Northampton’s defence was appalling for every goal. A volley hit into the ground and bouncing up into the goal can hardly be described as a "stunning strike of a volley". It was surely a miss kick wasn't it?
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Post by tanksfull on Sept 23, 2017 10:39:14 GMT
DC was as always honest and refreshing....he mentioned Trollope's days at BS7. A question about conceding so many goals was asked. He said 8 were from set pieces and two in particular by Burn at Bradford. He said that had to improve. He confirmed that he was trying with Bodin and his agent to agree to an extension on his contract. If not he and possibly others may be off. Rovers like most league one clubs are targets for Championship sides recruiting players. He confirmed Rovers cannot compete with Charlton, Rotherham, Wigan, Blackburn and as usual stated Rovers must over achieve if we challenge for the play offs. Fans felt Taylor leaving for £200or £300k made us a laughing stock on the red side of town as clearly had he stayed, we may have made the play offs. But DC said "who would turn down wages of £12k a week". He confirmed if we finish mid table this season and next he was a "sitting duck" and the fans/management would want him gone. Someone said when will Rovers sign their first £1m player he confirmed never. He knew Tillson remains at £375k our highest signing. Again the training ground was highlighted as being vital to attract players as clearly we cant compete to get players in if they want £6k a week. Also he said he should have signed a defensive midfielder as Linesy was not a good defender. He confirmed Taylor had not been replaced and he was looking for another Taylor type player from our development squad. One question not asked which most would love an answer to is ...Would you (DC) have still signed a five year new contract if you knew the UWE stadium was not going to be built ? Thank you It might well be a question many would like to know the answer to but it would of been a wasted question as it would not (quite rightly) have been answered, would it.
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