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Post by tanksfull on Feb 19, 2021 10:52:02 GMT
Agreed.
B***** 10/11 (was 1/8 at one stage). Robinson 2/1. Rowberry 4/1. Stendel 10/1 along with Widdrington. Woodgate (new) 16/1.
Odds changing as more bets made and book is "balanced". Very thin market and small bets will produce big changes.
Question: How did B***** start as a very short priced favourite - when punters can only bet a maximum of £5? Bookies will weigh up odds and have a 'best guess' at how to price things up. They'll have a friendly word with other bookies first on quirky bets. No way was Joey B***** going to be an obvious contender. Most people thought the suggestion was a joke. So how did he get to be such short odds initially? The only thing I can think of is a large amount of individual £5 bets must have been placed on him on day 1. I wonder if all those bets were placed in the Liverpool / Manchester area? I wonder if this is part of a strategy to get his name firmly in the public domain. And try and gain 'traction' from there, at Rovers or elsewhere. Well he's certainly got himself talked about. He does rather court publicity. And as we know, "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that's not being talked about". I didn't look for a couple of days so not sure who appeared and when.
Other than knowing who isn't in a job at that, sort of, level there is nothing to go on to set odds in the first place.
Your theory is very interesting and could be as right as any other. It would only take a few at that stage to see the result we did. With nothing from the Club and it going so to those odds so quickly as it did it was strange. 1/6 and 1/8 usually indicates a certainty; which it clearly wasn't at that stage so must have been money induced more so than knowledge.
When Tisdale got the job I think I recall odds of 1/4 very late on but by then it was clear what was going to happen.
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Post by tanksfull on Feb 19, 2021 10:02:12 GMT
Some interesting views there of both our club and Paul Tisdale. He knows the Paul Tisdale that I know and appears to be saying the same as what I said when Tis arrived, he wasn't right for Bristol Rovers as he would have needed a lot of time to get things the way he would want them and you don't get that time at Rovers. Players meeting with Starnes about Tis: “He’s too clever” “he uses long words we don’t understand” “he seems a bit posh” Starnes: “Ok, I think I know just the man we need” That looks a perfect summation of where we are.
Can't see Widdrington wanting B***** with his entourage as that puts him out. Can't really see Wael wanting him either.
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Post by tanksfull on Feb 18, 2021 12:58:39 GMT
My first thought having read that and listened to the interview after last night's game is that our club is totally dysfunctional. Tisdale appears to be saying that the structure is unworkable, last night's interview was riddled with veiled criticism of him, and what appeared to be a direct broadside at Holloway. Maybe B***** would fit in after all? Totally agree and I hope not.
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Post by tanksfull on Feb 18, 2021 12:50:22 GMT
As I have said previously.... the problem is obvious to see.... it’s right under our noses. The board are made up of salaried individuals who are not Bristol Rovers supporters. There primary aim is to keep their presumably fairly well paid jobs. Whilst I’m not a supporter of those on the board I have met I don’t blame them! Their self preservation has to come first for them. I have direct experience of both the owner and two board members and whilst this is my opinion it is an opinion based on personal and fairly extensive experience. I’ve met the owner several times face to face and many times by video call, telephone call and messages etc. I’ve met two members of the board once face to face also. The board will not want anyone externally or internally who will challenge them or look to progress matters that may challenge or compromise their position. I think it’s a shame that wael is based in Jordan as I suspect things maybe different if he was here full time. To be fair to him he needs people to look after the day to day running of the club. My theory, and it’s just a theory is that wael would love B***** but he’s our boards worst nightmare.... I suspect there is some push back from the board which is why we have what feels like a hot and cold situation regarding JB as manager. I would imagine he is about as far from being a ‘yes man’ as you could find! I have learned a lot from my experience and the main learning point is that I took for granted that the board members would be passionate and forward thinking regarding progress. That was my biggest mistake and if I had a other crack I would definitely try a different approach. I realise the above is just an opinion of mine, albeit based on my experience but the basic facts are there for all to see. I’m not advocating JB as manager by the way as I have no idea how it would work and I can see he is a massive risk. I am however sick of incompetence and the totally unprofessional approach we demonstrate consistently. B***** is trouble. Wael is a gent. I can't see B***** being Wael's choice for that reason From what I have read there would appear to be a difference of opinion within the upper echelons and Board. I was thinking it was the other way round in that Wael didn't like the idea of B*****.
Looks like Wael appointed Tisdale and others did all they could to remove him?
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Post by tanksfull on Feb 18, 2021 12:41:09 GMT
Bookies odds. A couple of points to make. 1. B***** now at 4-6, though he has been as tight as 1-5. 2. The bookies market is VERY thin. Hence Skybet only let me put a maximum bet of £5 on Widders being given the managers position (10 games required). He was 16-1 yesterday, now 10-1. I'm still 'suspended' from additional activity. Looks to me more like the odds offered are just a publicity stunt. Conclusion. Does B***** have any real 'value' at around Evens or tighter? Answer: No. Agreed.
B***** 10/11 (was 1/8 at one stage). Robinson 2/1. Rowberry 4/1. Stendel 10/1 along with Widdrington. Woodgate (new) 16/1.
Odds changing as more bets made and book is "balanced". Very thin market and small bets will produce big changes.
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Post by tanksfull on Dec 7, 2020 19:07:49 GMT
One of the articles on his web-site is a recent analysis of how top teams score goals. My impression from his interviews is that he wants to play much more in a Liverpool and Leeds way. The one on Saturday indicated that this was the message he had conveyed. Direct passes forward much quicker into areas of defensive uncertainty. So you will see a much less sideways and patient approach from the back, less emphasis on possession and much more emphasis on getting from back to front through midfield quicker. Read the article and you will see where his tactical mind is. Which one?
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Post by tanksfull on Dec 6, 2020 12:24:14 GMT
He was critical of the clubs structures at the the end of the interview, and I don't think it was also due to covid issues, I was quite surprised, but was half asleep and didn't pick it up fully. Also something about "there were questions about Sam being here" and he quickly changed tact. “It’s a complete mess, but I’m loving it” to quote PT. I’m assuming he was referring to the fact that the players are changing and then eating at the Glos FA set up in Almondsbury, before and after training. And he doesn’t yet have an office. All to be sorted when the clubhouse is finished, presumably in the spring. You’d hope that he gets his own office before then. People "read" things into comments in different ways. I didn't take any of his comments as being aimed at anyone in particular; least of all those in the background. It's quite clear to all that the training ground and covid are a major issue; as is, to/for him, PT having no office or somewhere to base himself. His comments about respecting the pitch and the Football Club I'd suggest are related to the bizarre fact that there is a need to walk across the pitch to get from the changing rooms to the seating area for Managers and Substitutes etc and the attitude allowed of Players (and perhaps other staff directly involved with the Players) towards the Club. It might be comparable to wearing a uniform whilst at school? He might feel the need for more formality/identity/bonding with BRFC for Players and everyone directly connected with the Club. That's his way of dealing with the Playing Staff and getting the best out of them; nothing to do with the Club itself. If those things mean the Club is "in a pickle" then PT will sort them out fairly quickly and bring us an identity. After all he's only been here 2 weeks and found lots of areas where he feels he can bring improvement. That's surely a good thing?
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Post by tanksfull on Oct 29, 2020 9:27:23 GMT
Can always do an FGR and ask the fans for the name, it might get called Kevin. They're a funny lot up there aren't they?
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Post by tanksfull on Aug 19, 2020 19:27:49 GMT
Basically the Prem' { 1st Division } is made up of a nucleus of a dozen or so teams that will always be there barring catastrophes. Then there are two or three teams that we usually term "yo yo" clubs, you know the ones, Villa, Boro and perhaps Brum,followed finally by the Cnderella 'No Hopers'. These are sides up on a roll from Division Three who are being bankrolled by a 'temporary' money man / men, the likes of Hull City, AFC Bournemouth, Brighton & Hove Albion and now I suppose Wigan Atheltic. These teams usually have there four or five years of fame but 'always' end up playing back where they used to as the pockets of these temporary white knights together with the clubs "Prem' only interested fans " always seem to retreat away from the sinking ship and from then on in it's just a downward spiral. Notts County, I remember not that long ago they got themselves up in to Division One and I wonder where they are playing now ? Oddly enough was discussing this last night in the pub... transpires only 6 Clubs have not been relegated from the Premier League. I would have thought more... 6 + Brighton.
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Post by tanksfull on Aug 15, 2018 10:41:12 GMT
Agreed re square pegs. We looked unbalanced Saturday with essentially four CB's across the back four. Not sure that we've had any firm updates on THD so far, other than he wouldn't be ready for start of season. Full back is the only position where (I think) you need the right "footed" player - left footed player for left back and right footed player for right back.
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Post by tanksfull on Aug 11, 2018 6:43:25 GMT
Mr R Wiltshire, if you're reading this, thank you so bloody much. Gas family helping other families. You are all fine people. You are the one which should be given thanks.
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Post by tanksfull on May 23, 2018 19:58:08 GMT
Having agreed to sponsor the golf day we have also entered a team.
The problem is we only have one team member (not me!!!!).
If you fancy playing as our guest please message with handicap; will do a draw if we have too many.
Best wishes
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Post by tanksfull on May 20, 2018 7:45:35 GMT
Bring back KS/RR/CIS/NQSS. Bring back SWISS. Bring back INTERCEPTOR. Bring back ASTAVJEVS. Cheer up KP. You could be KD. I haven’t actually gone away Shoveler but I’ve realised that a lot of my postings are not of much interest to the majority of fans and in fact they upset quite a few. Being of the same generation as KP I understand how he feels and it is very frustrating to find so many Rovers fans are completely content with mediocrity. Back in the day we used to sing “we hate Aston Villa, we hate Fulham too” and now I guess we would sing “we hate Wycombe Wanderers we hate Fleetwood too”. I can understand that thousands of fans are still having fun watching Rovers and following the team around the country just as I did. But when you start to accept second best and go out of your way to convince yourself everything is well, despite all the evidence to the contrary, I think you are on a slippery slope. My view of the Dwane Sports regime is very similar to the one I had of the Higgs regime which is that if there truly was a vision and a plan we would be getting the message loud and clear. When business owners are on top of their game they want to share their vision and plans because that’s part of the thrill of owning a business. Some fans say Dwane Sports don’t communicate because they are cautious bankers and private people but to me that doesn't stack up because in 2016 Wael was all over the media telling us his life story and what his plans were for Rovers. The reality is that when things are not going well behind those famous scenes we find that business owners start to contradict themselves, get irritable with critics and eventually cease communication altogether which is what seems to be happening now. A friend told me recently that he was absolutely delighted with the polished and professional event management at the Players Awards Evening which is something we have been yearning for at Rovers for many years. But, as a businessman, he cannot bring himself to hide away from the underlying negative outlook in terms of finance and lack of leadership. I have never claimed to be ITK but, like KP, the snippets of information I do get point to a situation which, if left unchecked, will completely overwhelm the positive cosmetic changes and the feel good factor which Darrell Clarke has managed to induce at the club. This is why my great hope is that Dwane Sports are actively seeking to attract new investment into Rovers and will be willing, if necessary, to capitalise their loan and relinquish their majority stake in order to secure it. I for one love your posts whether they are controversial (the more they are the better for me) or not. If nothing else it makes me, and perhaps others, think. Please keep them coming. I can agree with everything bar the second paragraph. We only had Aston Villa and Fulham in songs because they had come down to our level. In the last 20 years we could include Southampton, Leeds (doesn’t everyone), Norwich, Manchester City, Leicester, Portsmouth (still can), Nottingham Forest, Swansea and I hate to say it Cardiff. Historically we have been a third tier club with a few visits to the second tier. Did you hear the winner of Mastermind last night (I can’t recall who he supported; some s**t entity)? "I'd have been torn apart if I didn't win it". That's the arrogance of some clubs’ supporters. It’s also what makes us so different. I want success; but not if I/we have to have that attitude. I am however all for being professional and positive.
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Post by tanksfull on Feb 13, 2018 10:21:40 GMT
I support a small Bristol charity called Deki. www.deki.org.uk/They lend money to people in Africa, to support their own businesses, which is repaid over a period of time and then the money is loaned out again. They also raise money in respect of their admin costs separately. Whilst all money does not reach its target at least you are aware of where the money loaned is going and it is long term help. I just like the concept and personableness (not totally sure that is quite the right word but you know what I mean). Sorry for the plug but it's just about on thread (maybe). Travelling extensively through Africa is what opened my eyes to the failing in general of all charities & NGOs. Everyone at best is just applying a very small sticking plaster to a problem, and one of the biggest problems is that the sticking plaster arrives in Africa as a very, very large sticking plaster but then everyone takes their little cut (because no-one will miss a little bit) and ends up a very small ticking plaster on a big problem. Still it is completely your choice to donate your money to any cause, personally I won't donate to any charities other than those operating fully in the UK, & to some extent Europe. Can't disagree with that. The thing is here the money I lend comes back 100% over a period of time and is then lent out again by me. Therefore any "cut" is kept in Africa; paid for by the borrower. I can withdraw the funds available (those repaid) at any stage, not that I have ever tried. My feeling is that this helps entrepreneurial people stand on their feet and make my loan "work for them". Whilst incredibly small I hope it is better than just throwing money at an issue and not knowing where it will actually land. Do I really know? Of course not but, for me, the concept, structure and process makes sense.
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Post by tanksfull on Feb 12, 2018 18:29:50 GMT
Shades of grey on "legality" there Rex, but morality is rarely a defining feature when money enters the equation. Oxfam anyone? Anyone who believes the money they give to charity is all reaching it's target & being spent in a 'morally' acceptable way is a complete fing idiot. I support a small Bristol charity called Deki. www.deki.org.uk/They lend money to people in Africa, to support their own businesses, which is repaid over a period of time and then the money is loaned out again. They also raise money in respect of their admin costs separately. Whilst all money does not reach its target at least you are aware of where the money loaned is going and it is long term help. I just like the concept and personableness (not totally sure that is quite the right word but you know what I mean). Sorry for the plug but it's just about on thread (maybe).
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Post by tanksfull on Feb 12, 2018 13:04:06 GMT
And quite rightly sacked for his actions away from football. Being crap though has never been an impediment to being employed by Bristol Rovers and he was far from the crappiest player ever to be employed by us.Pipe really did divide opinion didn't he? I thought he was an okay player for us. Gave 100% and loved a tackle which really sparked the team (and the crowd) on occasions. A definite yes from me, as far as the football goes.
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Post by tanksfull on Feb 12, 2018 11:38:26 GMT
Many people have put 'a bet on for me' which appears to be the case. Also as most owners will testify 99% of the time your horse loses (also the experience of most punters!!) Certainly that was my experience! However, as an owner, trainer or Jockey it is quite wrong to bet on your horse or pass on information if you know it has no chance of winning. Something the BHA (ruling body) take seriously.My take on the football authorities position on the Mike Turl charge is that it is rather silly considering they allow alleged foreign forgers, tax evaders, oligarchs and much worse to own and manage our football teams - and many of these in the biggest teams in our country. I wonder about the suitability of the FA chiefs themselves. Totally correct on all counts in my opinion but especially the highlighted ones. The key is to bet when they win.
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Post by tanksfull on Feb 12, 2018 10:52:17 GMT
Nail on head Rex. It's easier to hide or has just become accepted in other industries. NHS paying far too much for drugs. What is the price of petrol today and why? Should agents in football receive fees (should managers receive bungs)? How much do politicians receive and what do they do for the company they represent as a Director? The list is never-ending. If you haven't already, read Bad Science by Ben Goldacre, that'll give some insight into how the drugs industry works. Yes they are pretending to be moral by applying rules to regulate actions surrounding a sport that sees endless animals destroyed in the name of entertainment. Why not show the animals on TV laying there with their cannons shattered? Happens every day. You are going into a different aspect of Horse Racing there. I'm discussing betting in Horse Racing here which is where the post, sort of, started?
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Post by tanksfull on Feb 12, 2018 8:47:17 GMT
As I said, the moment bets are accepted for a horse not to win, or a footballer to get a yellow card in a certain match or a team to let in 2 or more goals (see Esmond Million), or a wicket to fall in a certain over, there's only one possible outcome. The punters are no more or less greedy than the bookmakers, they are all looking to tip the balance in their favour. Wonder how much fuss Betfair or the racing authorities would like to make about the tips Mike has received where he's lost his stake and about inside information, witheld from honest people sticking their tenners on runners which would have revealed that the horse had no chance whatsoever of winning or being placed. Scabby industry, for whoever runs it to be pretending to take some kind of moral high ground is laughable.The betting industry is a slightly murky business I'll give you that, but then again pretty much all industries are. Wherever there is money to be made, some people will try to gain an advantage. Nail on head Rex. It's easier to hide or has just become accepted in other industries. NHS paying far too much for drugs. What is the price of petrol today and why? Should agents in football receive fees (should managers receive bungs)? How much do politicians receive and what do they do for the company they represent as a Director? The list is never-ending.
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Post by tanksfull on Feb 12, 2018 8:23:48 GMT
Let's imagine I want to place a £8k bet on a horse to win a race at 5/1 so I offer that on an exchange. Somebody has to 'accept' the bet and put up £40k to 'lay' the bet. Other people want to entice people to offer £8k for a horse to win a race because they think it won't win and so they offer better odds than bookmakers are offering (perhaps the 5/1 shot is 3/1 in the regular bookies) in an attempt to win their stake. So yes in effect they are gambling £40k on a horse not winning if laying an £8k bet at 5/1. Betfair is a platform (exchange) that brings punters together to bet and lay as they wish. Not to everyone's taste but perfectly legitimate. In this case, Mr Clement had inside information that the horse would not win (because it's participation in the race was fixed) and so knew it was safe to "lay" the bet and pocket the £8k, and so he asked his friend Mr Turl to a) lend him £40k and b) let him know his Betfair password. Mr Turl's motivation for doing so is none of my business. Perhaps such transactions are "buyer beware" and not illegal and that's why it's not a criminal case, I don't know. But it is against the BHA rules, which is why there were bans and fined issued. As I said, the moment bets are accepted for a horse not to win, or a footballer to get a yellow card in a certain match or a team to let in 2 or more goals (see Esmond Million), or a wicket to fall in a certain over, there's only one possible outcome. The punters are no more or less greedy than the bookmakers, they are all looking to tip the balance in their favour. Wonder how much fuss Betfair or the racing authorities would like to make about the tips Mike has received where he's lost his stake and about inside information, witheld from honest people sticking their tenners on runners which would have revealed that the horse had no chance whatsoever of winning or being placed. Scabby industry, for whoever runs it to be pretending to take some kind of moral high ground is laughable. You can even bet on pie eating in football. That's the reason why the "betting police" are zealous in their issuing of bans and fines. Not sure anyone is trying to take the moral high ground.
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