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Post by fanatical on Feb 11, 2018 12:49:12 GMT
Just proves that the overpaid officials at the FA don't believe that football clubs have supporters who give their time and efforts for free to help the clubs and the local communities. Bristol Rovers have many who give time for free so be thankful
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 13:25:51 GMT
All seems a bit odd to me.
There are plenty of problems much higher up in the game that they could invest their efforts into investigating rather than whether the unpaid work and loans given by a local businessman to tiny Solihull Moors breach some technical regulation.
Maybe they could look at why they appointed Allardyce as manager of the national team with his murky past, paid him over a million quid when he resigned and still allow him to manage today after he left the job in disgrace, or I could give 100 other examples, as we all could.
Still waiting for Greg Clarke to overhaul the system that he accepts himself is ''powerless to properly probe wrongdoing'' of the type Allardyce was involved in.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 13:35:17 GMT
Just proves that the overpaid officials at the FA don't believe that football clubs have supporters who give their time and efforts for free to help the clubs and the local communities. Bristol Rovers have many who give time for free so be thankful Well said knowall
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 14:35:41 GMT
Just proves that the overpaid officials at the FA don't believe that football clubs have supporters who give their time and efforts for free to help the clubs and the local communities. Bristol Rovers have many who give time for free so be thankful Well said knowall I could be reading it wrongly but wasn't it something to do with horse racing and being fit for purpose after his ban
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 11, 2018 14:52:11 GMT
All seems a bit odd to me. There are plenty of problems much higher up in the game that they could invest their efforts into investigating rather than whether the unpaid work and loans given by a local businessman to tiny Solihull Moors breach some technical regulation. Maybe they could look at why they appointed Allardyce as manager of the national team with his murky past, paid him over a million quid when he resigned and still allow him to manage today after he left the job in disgrace, or I could give 100 other examples, as we all could. Still waiting for Greg Clarke to overhaul the system that he accepts himself is ''powerless to properly probe wrongdoing'' of the type Allardyce was involved in. Correct. And anyone could see that the FA will always pick on the easy target and then say how tough they are on “wrong doing.” Solihull Moors are an easy target to act tough over. I dont condone the behaviour he has been found guilty over but as you say there are plenty of problems floating about the game at the higher end that are ignored. If it were right to sack Allardyce for what he did when England manager how come he is allowed to manage elsewhere? Do you need a higher morality to be England manager than a club manager? I guess you do. Basically the FA acts as a bully to the lower leagues because they can. No one is going to oppose them. If they tried the same tactics with PL clubs they would be faced with legal teams that would run rings around them. I’ve read about the guy at Solihull on here as having been involved in BRFC but not being itk I don’t know a lot about him but perhaps it’s a good thing he isn’t involved with us. I’m sure others might disagree.😉 UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 15:25:15 GMT
All seems a bit odd to me. There are plenty of problems much higher up in the game that they could invest their efforts into investigating rather than whether the unpaid work and loans given by a local businessman to tiny Solihull Moors breach some technical regulation. Maybe they could look at why they appointed Allardyce as manager of the national team with his murky past, paid him over a million quid when he resigned and still allow him to manage today after he left the job in disgrace, or I could give 100 other examples, as we all could. Still waiting for Greg Clarke to overhaul the system that he accepts himself is ''powerless to properly probe wrongdoing'' of the type Allardyce was involved in. Correct. And anyone could see that the FA will always pick on the easy target and then say how tough they are on “wrong doing.” Solihull Moors are an easy target to act tough over. I dont condone the behaviour he has been found guilty over but as you say there are plenty of problems floating about the game at the higher end that are ignored. If it were right to sack Allardyce for what he did when England manager how come he is allowed to manage elsewhere? Do you need a higher morality to be England manager than a club manager? I guess you do. Basically the FA acts as a bully to the lower leagues because they can. No one is going to oppose them. If they tried the same tactics with PL clubs they would be faced with legal teams that would run rings around them. I’ve read about the guy at Solihull on here as having been involved in BRFC but not being itk I don’t know a lot about him but perhaps it’s a good thing he isn’t involved with us. I’m sure others might disagree.😉 UTG! I don't claim to know for sure, but my understanding is that he's not done anything wrong as far as football goes, but his generosity has raised some eyebrows and now his function within the club is being looked at. Let's wait for the outcome before deciding if he's actually done anything wrong. As for the horse racing thing, again, I only know what I've been told, but he seems to likes a flutter and regularly places hefty bets. Of course he gets tips, on one occasion his tip was correct but he had no way of knowing if there was anything sinister going on behind the tip. The daft thing is, he never drew the winnings from his account and by the time he found out that the booky was spitting his dummy Mike had already lost all of the winnings on other bets, so if he's part of some huge race rigging ring they are pretty rubbish at doing it.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 11, 2018 15:43:44 GMT
Thanks for that Bamber I didn’t know any of that. I was posting more about the selective/ignorance/ let’s show off by penalising a smaller club who can’t do anything to us/ bullying of the FA against Solihull Moors who have had a rapid rise over the past 5 years or so. Of course the FA do need to act against any wrong doing but I can’t escape the feeling that the larger you are the more you get away with. I guess that’s life though! UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 15:46:15 GMT
Correct. And anyone could see that the FA will always pick on the easy target and then say how tough they are on “wrong doing.” Solihull Moors are an easy target to act tough over. I dont condone the behaviour he has been found guilty over but as you say there are plenty of problems floating about the game at the higher end that are ignored. If it were right to sack Allardyce for what he did when England manager how come he is allowed to manage elsewhere? Do you need a higher morality to be England manager than a club manager? I guess you do. Basically the FA acts as a bully to the lower leagues because they can. No one is going to oppose them. If they tried the same tactics with PL clubs they would be faced with legal teams that would run rings around them. I’ve read about the guy at Solihull on here as having been involved in BRFC but not being itk I don’t know a lot about him but perhaps it’s a good thing he isn’t involved with us. I’m sure others might disagree.😉 UTG! I don't claim to know for sure, but my understanding is that he's not done anything wrong as far as football goes, but his generosity has raised some eyebrows and now his function within the club is being looked at. Let's wait for the outcome before deciding if he's actually done anything wrong. As for the horse racing thing, again, I only know what I've been told, but he seems to likes a flutter and regularly places hefty bets. Of course he gets tips, on one occasion his tip was correct but he had no way of knowing if there was anything sinister going on behind the tip. The daft thing is, he never drew the winnings from his account and by the time he found out that the booky was spitting his dummy Mike had already lost all of the winnings on other bets, so if he's part of some huge race rigging ring they are pretty rubbish at doing it. Just goes to show bookies don't like to lose
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 16:36:09 GMT
I don't claim to know for sure, but my understanding is that he's not done anything wrong as far as football goes, but his generosity has raised some eyebrows and now his function within the club is being looked at. Let's wait for the outcome before deciding if he's actually done anything wrong. As for the horse racing thing, again, I only know what I've been told, but he seems to likes a flutter and regularly places hefty bets. Of course he gets tips, on one occasion his tip was correct but he had no way of knowing if there was anything sinister going on behind the tip. The daft thing is, he never drew the winnings from his account and by the time he found out that the booky was spitting his dummy Mike had already lost all of the winnings on other bets, so if he's part of some huge race rigging ring they are pretty rubbish at doing it. Just goes to show bookies don't like to lose Have you ever met a poor booky? As for the house not liking to lose, ask Phil Ivey, they happily take his 7 figure deposits so that he's seen playing in their house, but if he wins a big amount all hell breaks loose.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 16:45:07 GMT
Thanks for that Bamber I didn’t know any of that. I was posting more about the selective/ignorance/ let’s show off by penalising a smaller club who can’t do anything to us/ bullying of the FA against Solihull Moors who have had a rapid rise over the past 5 years or so. Of course the FA do need to act against any wrong doing but I can’t escape the feeling that the larger you are the more you get away with. I guess that’s life though! UTG! I agree, the rules are there to be followed, it doesn't matter if you are Solihull Moores or Manchester Utd (not that Utd have done anything wrong as far as I know, but they are at the opposite end of the spectrum). If Mike and or Solihull have broken the rules then they'll need to deal with the consequences, based on what happened to Allardyce they should be in for a hefty windfall
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Mike Turl
Feb 11, 2018 16:48:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 16:48:16 GMT
There was no bookie involved, Mr Turl provided a front for Mr Clement to defraud a punter using Betfair. The BHA judgement is easily googled.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 16:55:32 GMT
There was no bookie involved, Mr Turl provided a front for Mr Clement to defraud a punter using Betfair. The BHA judgement is easily googled. Wouldn't that have been a criminal offence?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 17:09:12 GMT
There was no bookie involved, Mr Turl provided a front for Mr Clement to defraud a punter using Betfair. The BHA judgement is easily googled. Wouldn't that have been a criminal offence? Presumably not. Either way, there was no bookie involved.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 17:43:09 GMT
Wouldn't that have been a criminal offence? Presumably not. Either way, there was no bookie involved. Why was the jockey banned for 15 years sounds a bit like race fixing but I could be wrong
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 17:48:11 GMT
Presumably not. Either way, there was no bookie involved. Why was the jockey banned for 15 years sounds a bit like race fixing but I could be wrong Jockey years are similar to dog years, I think there’s 9 jockey years on a human year.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 18:16:14 GMT
Wouldn't that have been a criminal offence? Presumably not. Either way, there was no bookie involved. But you said Betfair were involved? Sorry, not trying to misunderstand it's that I know nothing about betting, you're going to have to explain how this works as I avoid this ''sport'' like the plague.
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Post by tanksfull on Feb 11, 2018 18:40:05 GMT
Presumably not. Either way, there was no bookie involved. Why was the jockey banned for 15 years sounds a bit like race fixing but I could be wrong Assuming we are dealing with the same person as I have looked up:- Betfair, in this case, is the "exchange" and it was a "lay" bet; not technically a bookie. He pleaded guilty as he was technically in breach of the rules. The jockey in question was not the same one who was banned for 10 years although, through other people, there was a connection. That, I think, was Eddie Ahern and the jockey here was Adam Kirby who did nothing wrong. As said before it's all there on the BHA website and freely available.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 18:40:24 GMT
Presumably not. Either way, there was no bookie involved. But you said Betfair were involved? Sorry, not trying to misunderstand it's that I know nothing about betting, you're going to have to explain how this works as I avoid this ''sport'' like the plague. Betfair is an exchange, it pits people who want to bet against people who want to "lay" e.g. bet against. Anyone can take either side. In this case, the jockey advised Mr Clement to lay the specific horse, and Mr Clement used Mr Turl's Betfair account to do that. No bookies involved.
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Post by tanksfull on Feb 11, 2018 18:47:14 GMT
But you said Betfair were involved? Sorry, not trying to misunderstand it's that I know nothing about betting, you're going to have to explain how this works as I avoid this ''sport'' like the plague. Betfair is an exchange, it pits people who want to bet against people who want to "lay" e.g. bet against. Anyone can take either side. In this case, the jockey advised Mr Clement to lay the specific horse, and Mr Clement used Mr Turl's Betfair account to do that. No bookies involved. I don't think it was the jockey; "exploit inside information from Mr Clutterbuck (the assistant trainer of the horse)" Mike Turl may not have even known where the information came from or that it was in breach of the rules.
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