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Post by warehamgas on Aug 2, 2017 19:09:12 GMT
Read it in the broadsheets in a feature so it wasn't local and well you'd have to be pretty cynical not to believe anything you read! I guess that's where most of us get our information most of the time! But it's all about opinions isn't it? UTG!
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 2, 2017 19:39:56 GMT
Even given that, how many times did we sell out the mem ? It's not just about capacity though. Would you invest £100,000's in the current structure of the Mem? Without doubt the ticketing system needs updating but... Until the structure is sorted it would be daft to invest in it. I'd invest in it
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 2, 2017 19:41:47 GMT
Name a club with a 12k or less capacity ground that has sustained a position in the Championship or higher, for more than a few years, in the last 20 Brentford & Burton to start. A few seasons he said
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 2, 2017 19:44:04 GMT
at the end of the day success is measured solely by events on the field not by infrastructure or a modern stadium not by me there are other things too - enjoyability of watching the football (which is made up of the atmosphere, the style of play, the comfort of the stadium, the price of pasties etc etc) is also very important. Its one of the reasons I'm not a Chelski fan also the 'story' of a club. I would be more tempted to be an AFC Wombles fan that a MK Donkeys fan. That's part of 'success' in my view there are doubtless other things too. 82 had some 'success' on the field prior to 1982, but that was no success in my book - though the fan experience was probably quite good for a while. And George Graham's Arsenal had some on-field success, although there was something of the Living Dead about them which makes me think them not very successful its a bit like saying that people with lots of money are 'successful'. Not necessarily, I think. I think lots of people who don't have tons of money are very successful Fukcking great post. This is how I feel
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 2, 2017 19:52:58 GMT
at the end of the day success is measured solely by events on the field not by infrastructure or a modern stadium not by me there are other things too - enjoyability of watching the football (which is made up of the atmosphere, the style of play, the comfort of the stadium, the price of pasties etc etc) is also very important. Its one of the reasons I'm not a Chelski fan also the 'story' of a club. I would be more tempted to be an AFC Wombles fan that a MK Donkeys fan. That's part of 'success' in my view there are doubtless other things too. 82 had some 'success' on the field prior to 1982, but that was no success in my book - though the fan experience was probably quite good for a while. And George Graham's Arsenal had some on-field success, although there was something of the Living Dead about them which makes me think them not very successful its a bit like saying that people with lots of money are 'successful'. Not necessarily, I think. I think lots of people who don't have tons of money are very successful Some of the most financially unsuccessful have been an inspiration to me and I accept it as privilege
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 2, 2017 20:03:24 GMT
Whilst I understand the point you're making padstow I'm afraid money is the key to lasting and sustainable success in today's football. Without it we may gain some success and even gain promotion but with the conditions the EFL have about grounds in the Championship and having to compete against foreign owners with money to burn in that league it would be a fleeting success I think. Brighton, Reading, Swansea have gained and sustained success on the back of new stadiums and being very well run clubs. Bournemouth have done it with a very, very rich owner and the best young manager in the country. But you are right about success at the end of the day being measured on success on the field. It has to be that because otherwise BRFC would have gone to the wall years ago. It's why I always disagree when people say we have to get things right before we go up. If we did that we would wait for ever! It's what we've always done, get the right players, develop a tightly knit group and fight against the odds. We have to take every opportunity to get success on the field. DC has no control over ground and other infrastructure stuff. He has to concentrate on getting the right players, playing the right way and getting success. Then if we go up we do our best and if we come down we regroup and go again. It's always been the Rovers way. We do need a new ground but we can't use not having one as an excuse why we don't have success. At the end of the day on 46 games a year we turn up and hope we can outplay the opposition more times than not. That can't be done without money and lots of it. To get sustained and lasting success we will need loads of it! Perhaps that's unfortunate but I'm aftraid it's the modern football world. UTG! Do you realise how much untapped potential we have & it's a scandal that it's still not being capitalised upon I mean people worldwide would by the skull & crossedbones.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 2, 2017 20:09:04 GMT
Brentford & Burton to start. Bournemouth? Superb manager who has the purse strings of a Soviet oligarch who this is a hobby to and sometimes a talking point. The al Aadi's have Arabic finesse
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 20:35:36 GMT
That's why I said "think they're...." But I think it was also mentioned in the press at the time. Anyway, the point was to progress I think we will need a new ground. UTG! As very few on here rate the local press and it's news why should you put any credence to reports in other papers
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 2, 2017 20:46:26 GMT
Burton are just starting thier 2nd season in Championship, so not 'a few years'. Brentford are the one and only exception, as they are about to start thier 4th (I think), but they are heavily externally financed, making massive losses each year - so it comes down to money again. Their owner has put around £90m in, and is now looking to offload, so not a sustainable situation. That is the nub of it isn't it sustainability? Burton are a wonderful example of achieving over what you might expect and doing a very good job if you are a well run business. But they also have a fairly up together stadium, albeit small. Whether they can sustain Championship football over a few years remains to be seen. Brentford are a good example of a club who are entering their fourth year but their losses probably are not sustainable and they could become a financial basket case if their owner threw the toys out! This is a pretty good thread I think. Padstow is absolutely right to say we can do it with the right attitude, good scouting and the right players pointing at the past. But others are correct to say that without a new stadium we would probably not be able to sustain it over a long period of time. What I didn't say in my earlier post was that as well as the PL wannabes in the Championship who will spend loads of money we will also have about 6/7 teams receiving parachute payments which immediately puts them into a different category when it comes to spending. We could do well up there but it would be almost impossible to remain there with the funding we currently have although I would be delighted to be proved wrong. Being one of the older posters on here I try not to look back to a golden age of Rovers. The PL and money changed football and whilst you can keep old fashioned values, whatever they are, you can't deny that we are where we are and that football success in the long run is dependent upon a secure financial model with large income streams. And currently we haven't got that at the Mem, sad but true, I think. Whatever it is always up the Gas and come on you blues! I just knew you were a well experienced fan & supporter. The balance in your posts are almost always spot on and pertinent I applaud your years of support. Up the gas indeedy
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 2, 2017 20:58:30 GMT
He's been looking at selling 50% of his stake.
And this kind of confirms my point - even with a very well run club, with a good model, they still need a bigger stadium to be stable.
A huge difference between offloading and seeking further external investment. I wasn't doubting the point regarding the need for a new stadium though. Brentford have bought, and sold wisely. It's a good model to look at if we are the achieve parity if promotion is achieved. We're much better looking at Brentford than Burton as we're miles off being as sustainable as them. Why should we not just do our own thing. My only concern has been longevity of the time the owners will be here. Over to you Wael
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Post by DudeLebowski on Aug 2, 2017 21:57:33 GMT
Brentford & Burton to start. A few seasons he said Sorry Dad.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 3, 2017 8:07:48 GMT
They sound badly run.
Look, if you look at any statistical analysis over a decend period of years, the amount a club forks out on wages has a strong correlation with average league position. There are, of course a few exceptions, mostly exceptionally badly run clubs.
That is a generalisation that cannot be proved by rumour and speculation I don't understand what you are saying. The strong statistical correlation between wage spend and league position over time was shown by Stefan Szymanski in Soccernomics. www.open.edu/openlearn/money-management/management/business-studies/stefan-szymanski-on-the-business-football
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 3, 2017 8:09:42 GMT
Well, for a starters, there wasn't such a big financial difference between the divisions back then. And, for finishers, I'm not say we couldn't get promotion as a one-off, but we certainly wouldn't be able to sustain the position in the long term at the Mem as it is. But if the club is as well run as you say it is now then your argument is fallacious When did I say that the club is well run? Even if it were, how is my argument fallacious?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 9:15:56 GMT
But if the club is as well run as you say it is now then your argument is fallacious When did I say that the club is well run? Even if it were, how is my argument fallacious? In the light of current news does it matter and wait for a day or so for another bombshell
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 3, 2017 9:16:56 GMT
When did I say that the club is well run? Even if it were, how is my argument fallacious? In the light of current news does it matter and wait for a day or so for another bombshell Probably matters now more than ever
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 9:47:41 GMT
In the light of current news does it matter and wait for a day or so for another bombshell Probably matters now more than ever Not when you hear the next bit of news
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 3, 2017 10:37:19 GMT
Probably matters now more than ever Not when you hear the next bit of news uh-oh...
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 3, 2017 11:39:39 GMT
That's alright son. When you grow up you can have 2 pasties
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 3, 2017 11:48:58 GMT
It's not just about capacity though. Would you invest £100,000's in the current structure of the Mem? Without doubt the ticketing system needs updating but... Until the structure is sorted it would be daft to invest in it. I'd invest in it I'd be quids in now if I had. My bet is we are looking , very much, at my first choice. A redeveloped Mem. I bet im in s huge minority when saying I'm glad UWE is now dead. I hated the idea of it. Hated the design, hated it's placing and the whole idea. I would love to know what NH thinks of this now. He believed that Al Qadi family would just build it as per his plans. It's now obvious to most that it was the leasehold/freehold issue that tipped it. I was told UWE wanted 1.8 per acre to sell but that is not solid and more a loud rumour
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 3, 2017 11:51:32 GMT
When did I say that the club is well run? Even if it were, how is my argument fallacious? In the light of current news does it matter and wait for a day or so for another bombshell gizza clue padstow?
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