kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 27, 2017 21:16:26 GMT
Update - Godden is still considering his options but we have made a VERY good offer to him and Stevenage, it's thought he will make a decision very soon. Three other clubs now interested (Bury, Charlton and Rotherham). Seeing rumours on social media that we won't match Godden's wage demands so we are no longer interested but my contact says he hasn't heard anything. Going on nothing but gut feel, I think we shall now see only loans come in. This will be a defining season for us and I don't see us surpassing last season if we don't get the striker or strikers we need. I can only think that DC was made promises on the influx of players and just either hasn't had the financial back up or he genuinely feels we have a good enough and big enough squad as is. My gut feel is not good right now but, as I've often said, I'm often wrong but the difference now is that, after years of broken dreams and promises, I'm starting not to care. I never thought that would happen
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Post by Gashead on Jul 27, 2017 21:24:31 GMT
Seeing rumours on social media that we won't match Godden's wage demands so we are no longer interested but my contact says he hasn't heard anything. Going on nothing but gut feel, I think we shall now see only loans come in. This will be a defining season for us and I don't see us surpassing last season if we don't get the striker or strikers we need. I can only think that DC was made promises on the influx of players and just either hasn't had the financial back up or he genuinely feels we have a good enough and big enough squad as is. My gut feel is not good right now but, as I've often said, I'm often wrong but the difference now is that, after years of broken dreams and promises, I'm starting not to care. I never thought that would happen Honestly now, do you expect us to be consistently surpassing last season while we're at the Mem? We have a manager who can achieve better, and believes he can do it. However, if we get there it'll be in spite of the club's size and pulling power rather than because of it. We may be in a better position to survive in the second tier in five years time, we're already in a better position than we were five years ago because we're being dragged into the 21st century (analysts, sports science, proper delegation and depth re: club staff) Look at other clubs in our position re: the stadium, the backroom staff before last season, the training facilities, the youth setup before last season. Do you expect them to be fighting for a place in the second tier? Because I don't. The blinkers on Rovers fans often leads to unrealistic expectations on the forums. Expecting huge signings, immediate progress off the field when more progress has been made in 18 months than it has been in years. It's pretty frustrating when you consider all we've come back from over the last 3 years.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 27, 2017 21:32:47 GMT
Going on nothing but gut feel, I think we shall now see only loans come in. This will be a defining season for us and I don't see us surpassing last season if we don't get the striker or strikers we need. I can only think that DC was made promises on the influx of players and just either hasn't had the financial back up or he genuinely feels we have a good enough and big enough squad as is. My gut feel is not good right now but, as I've often said, I'm often wrong but the difference now is that, after years of broken dreams and promises, I'm starting not to care. I never thought that would happen Honestly now, do you expect us to be surpassing last season while we're at the Mem? We have a manager who can achieve better, and believes he can do it. However, if we get there it'll be in spite of the club's size and pulling power rather than because of it. We may be in a better position to survive in the second tier in five years time, we're already in a better position than we were five years ago because we're being dragged into the 21st century (analysts, sports science, proper delegation and depth re: club staff) Look at other clubs in our position re: the stadium, the backroom staff before last season, the training facilities, the youth setup before last season. Do you expect them to be fighting for a place in the second tier? Because I don't. The blinkers on Rovers fans often leads to unrealistic expectations on the forums. Expecting huge signings, immediate progress off the field when more progress has been made in 18 months than it has been in years. It's pretty frustrating when you consider all we've come back from over the last 3 years. I don't believe the mem is a problem. If you look at how we are still running the clubs shops and the frankly tinpot ways then I see other things need addressing first and they're not the difficult things either. I think it's fair to say the honeymoon period is over for the owners and while I agree small improvements have been made, we still don't have plans at the training ground, not that i am aware of and now we have a 10 million hole against our only asset hope I am wrong and that we see and hear some good news.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 21:47:40 GMT
Going on nothing but gut feel, I think we shall now see only loans come in. This will be a defining season for us and I don't see us surpassing last season if we don't get the striker or strikers we need. I can only think that DC was made promises on the influx of players and just either hasn't had the financial back up or he genuinely feels we have a good enough and big enough squad as is. My gut feel is not good right now but, as I've often said, I'm often wrong but the difference now is that, after years of broken dreams and promises, I'm starting not to care. I never thought that would happen Honestly now, do you expect us to be consistently surpassing last season while we're at the Mem? We have a manager who can achieve better, and believes he can do it. However, if we get there it'll be in spite of the club's size and pulling power rather than because of it. We may be in a better position to survive in the second tier in five years time, we're already in a better position than we were five years ago because we're being dragged into the 21st century (analysts, sports science, proper delegation and depth re: club staff) Look at other clubs in our position re: the stadium, the backroom staff before last season, the training facilities, the youth setup before last season. Do you expect them to be fighting for a place in the second tier? Because I don't. The blinkers on Rovers fans often leads to unrealistic expectations on the forums. Expecting huge signings, immediate progress off the field when more progress has been made in 18 months than it has been in years. It's pretty frustrating when you consider all we've come back from over the last 3 years. Off the pitch we are in a better position than we have ever been when it comes to professional structure but you can only please some of the people some of the time, was at the Mem this evening and the pitch looks like carpet, plenty of evolution but it will never satisfy everyone, it's the way of the world.
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Post by faggotygas on Jul 28, 2017 7:56:02 GMT
Honestly now, do you expect us to be surpassing last season while we're at the Mem? We have a manager who can achieve better, and believes he can do it. However, if we get there it'll be in spite of the club's size and pulling power rather than because of it. We may be in a better position to survive in the second tier in five years time, we're already in a better position than we were five years ago because we're being dragged into the 21st century (analysts, sports science, proper delegation and depth re: club staff) Look at other clubs in our position re: the stadium, the backroom staff before last season, the training facilities, the youth setup before last season. Do you expect them to be fighting for a place in the second tier? Because I don't. The blinkers on Rovers fans often leads to unrealistic expectations on the forums. Expecting huge signings, immediate progress off the field when more progress has been made in 18 months than it has been in years. It's pretty frustrating when you consider all we've come back from over the last 3 years. I don't believe the mem is a problem. If you look at how we are still running the clubs shops and the frankly tinpot ways then I see other things need addressing first and they're not the difficult things either. I think it's fair to say the honeymoon period is over for the owners and while I agree small improvements have been made, we still don't have plans at the training ground, not that i am aware of and now we have a 10 million hole against our only asset hope I am wrong and that we see and hear some good news. But surely you must agree that at our level, the biggest factor with regards to income is the number of tickets we sell. The Mem is 61st in the list of ground capacities in England, ignoring Wembley. So purely based on that, our natural position is towards the bottom of League 1.
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Post by LedburyGas on Jul 28, 2017 10:07:05 GMT
I don't believe the mem is a problem. If you look at how we are still running the clubs shops and the frankly tinpot ways then I see other things need addressing first and they're not the difficult things either. I think it's fair to say the honeymoon period is over for the owners and while I agree small improvements have been made, we still don't have plans at the training ground, not that i am aware of and now we have a 10 million hole against our only asset hope I am wrong and that we see and hear some good news. But surely you must agree that at our level, the biggest factor with regards to income is the number of tickets we sell. The Mem is 61st in the list of ground capacities in England, ignoring Wembley. So purely based on that, our natural position is towards the bottom of League 1. I'd say average attendances give a better indication (we were 7th in League One last season).
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Post by faggotygas on Jul 28, 2017 12:23:03 GMT
But surely you must agree that at our level, the biggest factor with regards to income is the number of tickets we sell. The Mem is 61st in the list of ground capacities in England, ignoring Wembley. So purely based on that, our natural position is towards the bottom of League 1. I'd say average attendances give a better indication (we were 7th in League One last season). Which was very good, but to take the next step we would be up against clubs with attandances 1.5-2 times ours, and we have no more capacity.
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Post by droitwichgas on Jul 28, 2017 20:25:28 GMT
I'd say average attendances give a better indication (we were 7th in League One last season). Which was very good, but to take the next step we would be up against clubs with attandances 1.5-2 times ours, and we have no more capacity. And that's the issue as w/o the UWE we've virtually reached our peak whether or not the Mem pitch is like a carpet, or we have the best Academy coaching staff in Div 1. If the ALQ's can't deliver the UWE then we're really going to be in no better position than we were under NH, long term anyway. In fact we could be in a worse position as the ALQ will now have let pp expire on the UWE, let's hope something is announced soon.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 8:25:41 GMT
Which was very good, but to take the next step we would be up against clubs with attandances 1.5-2 times ours, and we have no more capacity. And that's the issue as w/o the UWE we've virtually reached our peak whether or not the Mem pitch is like a carpet, or we have the best Academy coaching staff in Div 1. If the ALQ's can't deliver the UWE then we're really going to be in no better position than we were under NH, long term anyway. In fact we could be in a worse position as the ALQ will now have let pp expire on the UWE, let's hope something is announced soon. So how did we manage to get promotion in 89/90 at Twerton in a non league stadium with limited spectators on paying rent winning promotion from this division with a very small squad no backroom staff and a side that cost about 80k
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Post by pauljlac on Jul 29, 2017 8:47:27 GMT
And that's the issue as w/o the UWE we've virtually reached our peak whether or not the Mem pitch is like a carpet, or we have the best Academy coaching staff in Div 1. If the ALQ's can't deliver the UWE then we're really going to be in no better position than we were under NH, long term anyway. In fact we could be in a worse position as the ALQ will now have let pp expire on the UWE, let's hope something is announced soon. So how did we manage to get promotion in 89/90 at Twerton in a non league stadium with limited spectators on paying rent winning promotion from this division with a very small squad no backroom staff and a side that cost about 80k Let's not try kidding ourselves here, that was 27 years ago, even before the premier league was formed. The amount of money that has been ploughed into the premier league has completely changed the game. Because of the parachute payments from relegated premier league teams, you now need a huge amout of financial backing to sustain a team in either of these divisions. The fact is to be a sustainable football league club nowadays you must have a modern stadium that has facilities that can be used for income throughout the week, not just on a Saturday afternoon.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 9:04:29 GMT
So how did we manage to get promotion in 89/90 at Twerton in a non league stadium with limited spectators on paying rent winning promotion from this division with a very small squad no backroom staff and a side that cost about 80k Let's not try kidding ourselves here, that was 27 years ago, even before the premier league was formed. The amount of money that has been ploughed into the premier league has completely changed the game. Because of the parachute payments from relegated premier league teams, you now need a huge amout of financial backing to sustain a team in either of these divisions. The fact is to be a sustainable football league club nowadays you must have a modern stadium that has facilities that can be used for income throughout the week, not just on a Saturday afternoon. That's just making excuses for failure.at the end of the day success is measured solely by events on the field not by infrastructure or a modern stadium There are bargain players available at all levels if your scouting network is good enough. Your comments are symptomatic of modern society that money is key to everything
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 29, 2017 9:11:26 GMT
Let's not try kidding ourselves here, that was 27 years ago, even before the premier league was formed. The amount of money that has been ploughed into the premier league has completely changed the game. Because of the parachute payments from relegated premier league teams, you now need a huge amout of financial backing to sustain a team in either of these divisions. The fact is to be a sustainable football league club nowadays you must have a modern stadium that has facilities that can be used for income throughout the week, not just on a Saturday afternoon. That's just making excuses for failure.at the end of the day success is measured solely by events on the field not by infrastructure or a modern stadium There are bargain players available at all levels if your scouting network is good enough. Your comments are symptomatic of modern society that money is key to everything And thats the problem... chicken and egg situation.... you need money to have a good scouting network... Money we do not have until a good income stream is available..... income from a nice new stadium would help...
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Post by pauljlac on Jul 29, 2017 9:14:53 GMT
Whether we like it or not, the fact is the game is controlled by money and more importantly the agents that squeeze as much out of clubs as possible. If you're a good enough player you know your career is short and you will extort as much as you can and it is very rare to get any loyalty. My comments may be symptomatic of society, but unfortunately that's the way the game is now and if we don't go with the flow then we we will be cut adrift and left behind!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 10:04:21 GMT
Whether we like it or not, the fact is the game is controlled by money and more importantly the agents that squeeze as much out of clubs as possible. If you're a good enough player you know your career is short and you will extort as much as you can and it is very rare to get any loyalty. My comments may be symptomatic of society, but unfortunately that's the way the game is now and if we don't go with the flow then we we will be cut adrift and left behind! You mean like our near neighbours who spend fortunes on players and are just surviving in the championship. As for your comments about agents I agree that happens in the premiership but at lower levels their bargaining power is less because more players are out of work as full time pros every season because clubs are cutting back on squad sizes so they are having to adjust their demands to a decreasing job market.the current p.f.a. forecast is that upwards of 200 professionals from last season will not be playing league football next season
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Post by Gashead on Jul 29, 2017 10:06:46 GMT
And that's the issue as w/o the UWE we've virtually reached our peak whether or not the Mem pitch is like a carpet, or we have the best Academy coaching staff in Div 1. If the ALQ's can't deliver the UWE then we're really going to be in no better position than we were under NH, long term anyway. In fact we could be in a worse position as the ALQ will now have let pp expire on the UWE, let's hope something is announced soon. So how did we manage to get promotion in 89/90 at Twerton in a non league stadium with limited spectators on paying rent winning promotion from this division with a very small squad no backroom staff and a side that cost about 80k Regardless of how much football has changed since then, those times still didn't bring us consistent second tier football. No one is saying we couldn't get to the Championship, but in our current state there's no way we can attract the players to stay there. We're closer to having the infrastructure than we've ever been mind, so its not all doom and gloom.
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Post by topman on Jul 29, 2017 11:07:53 GMT
Whether we like it or not, the fact is the game is controlled by money and more importantly the agents that squeeze as much out of clubs as possible. If you're a good enough player you know your career is short and you will extort as much as you can and it is very rare to get any loyalty. My comments may be symptomatic of society, but unfortunately that's the way the game is now and if we don't go with the flow then we we will be cut adrift and left behind! IMO the Premier League is the WORST thing that has happened to football ever and the FA who is supposed to run the game are merely lap dogs and have allowed themselves to be dragged along in search of the Holy Grail - I will start a list: Grossly overpaid players out of touch with the fans who pay their wages The Wembley White Elephant - a concrete building with no emotion / over priced construction / terrible design and location Players running football matches not officials Far too many pundits Grass root football ignored Clubs NOT run like businesses - only stay afloat with subsidies from the likes of Sky / BT FAR too many over seas players limiting opportunities for home grown players Anyone care to add to this rant?
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 29, 2017 12:26:25 GMT
Topman, you could add that the supposed leaders of the game, the FA and EFL sold out to the PL several years ago and show no sense or leadership about the good of the game. They appear to believe selling something for lots of money will solve the problem. Their level of leadership is inept. UTG!
ps sorry, this post has moved away from the thread. Apologies.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 12:30:57 GMT
Whether we like it or not, the fact is the game is controlled by money and more importantly the agents that squeeze as much out of clubs as possible. If you're a good enough player you know your career is short and you will extort as much as you can and it is very rare to get any loyalty. My comments may be symptomatic of society, but unfortunately that's the way the game is now and if we don't go with the flow then we we will be cut adrift and left behind! IMO the Premier League is the WORST thing that has happened to football ever and the FA who is supposed to run the game are merely lap dogs and have allowed themselves to be dragged along in search of the Holy Grail - I will start a list: Grossly overpaid players out of touch with the fans who pay their wages The Wembley White Elephant - a concrete building with no emotion / over priced construction / terrible design and location Players running football matches not officials Far too many pundits Grass root football ignored Clubs NOT run like businesses - only stay afloat with subsidies from the likes of Sky / BT FAR too many over seas players limiting opportunities for home grown players Anyone care to add to this rant? And television deciding fixture lists. What would be interesting is if pubs and clubs stopped showing live sport then the revenue for the teLevision companies would drop so they couldn't afford to pay the exorbitant amounts to the premier league
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Post by traveling_wilbury on Jul 29, 2017 12:47:24 GMT
Interestingly Billericay Town (who play in Isthmian Premier - Step 7) are on verge of signing Jermaine Pennant for 3k per week! Let's hope their owner sticks around and has plenty of cash.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 29, 2017 16:57:04 GMT
I don't believe the mem is a problem. If you look at how we are still running the clubs shops and the frankly tinpot ways then I see other things need addressing first and they're not the difficult things either. I think it's fair to say the honeymoon period is over for the owners and while I agree small improvements have been made, we still don't have plans at the training ground, not that i am aware of and now we have a 10 million hole against our only asset hope I am wrong and that we see and hear some good news. But surely you must agree that at our level, the biggest factor with regards to income is the number of tickets we sell. The Mem is 61st in the list of ground capacities in England, ignoring Wembley. So purely based on that, our natural position is towards the bottom of League 1. Even given that, how many times did we sell out the mem ?
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