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Post by warehamgas on Sept 20, 2015 21:43:37 GMT
This sounds a bit arrogant as if we can do what we like when we like! This sounds more like the other lot south of the river. If you arrive at 2.55 or later you have to take the inconvenience and hassle. Unfortunately other Gasheads have to as well.. Totally unfair. I suffered and caused no inconvenience to anyone, but thanks for your views. Fair enough I was trying to make the point about sometimes we have to make sure we are in place in time for the start. Am sure you weren't and it wasn't aimed personally at anyone individually. I agree that the stewards did make it worse. UTG!
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Post by DudeLebowski on Sept 21, 2015 3:35:03 GMT
Sitting in your allocated seat isn't for me, never has been.
I'm an away day regular like many others and the reasonably large group of friends i attend matches with live either outside Bristol or at best, the other side of the city. Arranging to buy tickets for everyone to sit all together in designated seats is way too much of a ball ache.
Buy your tickets & sit wherever you fancy, easy. Just like Orient a few weeks ago and every single away game where seating was available last season.
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 21, 2015 5:44:15 GMT
The stewards caused the problems, we should be free to enter the ground at whatever time we choose. Absolutely. Clubs in divi4 should be grateful we enter the ground at all. No matter what time you get in, you don't deserve to be punched because of non conformity.. In any conversation, we are talking of a small minority that entered late. So get this in proportion.....160/1600 is only 10% and it wasn't anywhere near that. The stewards seen it. The stewards had intelligence as to the numbers before the game. The stewards chose to handle it their way. A mis managed, unorganised, heavy handed trying to blame fans situation. I'm not saying we are all angels, didn't see it last season when we were en masse, no need for Plymouth stewards to act the way the did.. No that doesnt deserve to happen, however i am sure on most tickets it.advises you to turn up at least half an.hour before kick off When its all ticket and sold out you know it will be busy and seats will be taken
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Post by Rex on Sept 21, 2015 6:03:59 GMT
Meant to say, what's wrong with that?!!! Nothing is wrong with any of it providing due respect is given to each other and we don't apply the "we'll do what we want attitude" Of all the chants I hear at Rovers, the 'we do what we want' is the most cringeworthy of the lot.
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Post by trueblue92 on Sept 21, 2015 8:35:26 GMT
Is there a law saying you have to turn up half an hour early? Some of us don't want to be sat around waiting for the game to start. Most the problems I've seen like this away are when people who want to sit all game sit at the back and then moan people are stood in front of them.
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Post by laughinggas on Sept 21, 2015 8:44:20 GMT
Is there a law saying you have to turn up half an hour early? Some of us don't want to be sat around waiting for the game to start. Most the problems I've seen like this away are when people who want to sit all game sit at the back and then moan people are stood in front of them. Let's all turn up 5 minutes before kick off that will work well!
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Post by tanksfull on Sept 21, 2015 8:58:48 GMT
Is there a law saying you have to turn up half an hour early? Some of us don't want to be sat around waiting for the game to start. Most the problems I've seen like this away are when people who want to sit all game sit at the back and then moan people are stood in front of them. The "best seats" tend to be near the back and in the middle (usually in one end at an away game). Probably the best place to watch the game? If someone is allocated a seat there is there a reason why they should not sit in the seat they are allocated and be able to watch the game if they want to sit down? I suggest it should be those who wish to stand that should move elsewhere and get the permission of the people who have been allocated those sets.
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 21, 2015 9:45:39 GMT
Is there a law saying you have to turn up half an hour early? Some of us don't want to be sat around waiting for the game to start. Most the problems I've seen like this away are when people who want to sit all game sit at the back and then moan people are stood in front of them. There isn't a law that I know of, but I am pretty sure on any ticket for any event I have ever had, it usually advises you to get to your seat around 30 mins prior to the event.
As the Latvian said, he tuned up at 5 mins to, but took it upon himself to find a seat like a sane person.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 21, 2015 10:06:07 GMT
There must've been some bad traffic as quite a few turned up late! *big tongue in big cheek!*
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 21, 2015 10:31:59 GMT
Is there a law saying you have to turn up half an hour early? Some of us don't want to be sat around waiting for the game to start. Most the problems I've seen like this away are when people who want to sit all game sit at the back and then moan people are stood in front of them. No, there's no law about anything like this but there is such a thing as common sense and showing respect to others that are in the same area. The poster who said it was a small minority is absolutely right, let's not lose perspective over this: the problem was an over reaction of stewards, some of whom should not be in charge of managing fans, a small minority of people coming in very late with attitude and a football club (PAFC) who didn't plan well enough for the away support. But don't blame it on people who want to sit down and watch football and follow the gas. It really isn't THEIR fault! UTG!
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Post by interceptor on Sept 21, 2015 10:36:27 GMT
I went with my wife, son and his girlfriend. We wanted to sit together so we went to our allocated seats - Not unreasonable. Had to ask a couple of people to move - they did not seem mind. My preference is always to stand however If we get a new stadium (possibly all seater) should I not buy a season ticket because, as a fan base, we are unable or unwilling to match our bottoms to seat number?
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Post by GasPanic! on Sept 21, 2015 11:17:36 GMT
I think it was partially caused by some of fans arriving almost on kick off time and then not being able to find their seats and decided to stand in the gangways at the back of the stands. Some of our fans then complained that they couldn't see past those who were stood up. Some stewards then tried to get those who were stood to move to seats that were available but without success. Confrontation then erupted between stewards and some of those who were standing in the aisles. Basically it was 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the others scenario culminating in at least one of our supporters being removed from the ground. It was all so unnecessa ry..... But besides that bit of excitement, I thought our support was extremely good and got behind the team throughout the match, goodness knows what would have happened if Ellis had put that header away....phew ! As usual the crowd who spend 3 hours in a pub and then show up at 2.59 expecting to walk straight in cause problems (except at Woking of course) I spent a good 5 hours in a pub at Plymouth and Woking. Had a fantastic time at both games.
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Post by irishrover on Sept 21, 2015 12:16:40 GMT
As mentioned previously 61 was merely moved to the home end (probably for his own safety) but a large part of the problem was the number of fans that decided to sit in whatever seat they liked forcing other fans to shift about which meant some fans had to go into the stairs leading to the security getting involved. I reckon the fault lies with people trying to sit in their 'correct' seats. Pointless. Unallocated seating would save a lot of bother. In any case, today the blame lies with the stewards. Heavy handed and looking to cause issues that didn't exist. The problem with unallocated seats though is that if you do have a sell out or close to a sell out and people arrive late it's not always very easy to identify where the remaining seats are which creates exactly the same problem. It's another argument in favour of open terracing really which suits aspects of the fan culture of football far better than seating does. The truth is if you go to the Cinema or the Theatre or other seated entertainment you don't normally turn up late or 2 minutes before the start so it doesn't really matter. Whereas in football there's a fine tradition of fans turning up from the pub right on the buzzer. With terracing it doesn't matter - when people need to sort out seats etc it does. Seen this create chaos so many times now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 12:37:53 GMT
I reckon the fault lies with people trying to sit in their 'correct' seats. Pointless. Unallocated seating would save a lot of bother. In any case, today the blame lies with the stewards. Heavy handed and looking to cause issues that didn't exist. The problem with unallocated seats though is that if you do have a sell out or close to a sell out and people arrive late it's not always very easy to identify where the remaining seats are which creates exactly the same problem. That's what the stewards should be doing, instead of indulging in biggest dick competions with the supporters. I disagree with your cinema/theatre comparison, because in my view going to football is a far more visceral and immersive experience than seeing a film/play will ever be. I do agree with your comments on terracing, though!
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Post by irishrover on Sept 21, 2015 13:40:20 GMT
The problem with unallocated seats though is that if you do have a sell out or close to a sell out and people arrive late it's not always very easy to identify where the remaining seats are which creates exactly the same problem. That's what the stewards should be doing, instead of indulging in biggest dick competions with the supporters. I disagree with your cinema/theatre comparison, because in my view going to football is a far more visceral and immersive experience than seeing a film/play will ever be. I do agree with your comments on terracing, though! I'm not sure you do disagree with the comments about cinema/theatre - because the point I was making is that football IS a different experience from them. Getting stewards to identify empty seats in a packed stand doesn't strike me as a particularly easy thing to do and people can be picky and very rude. I've seen a lot of chaos in unallocated seating areas - a couple of times I've seen fans having to be directed onto the pitch because no one could identify where empty seats were from the stand itself. Works fine if it isn't a sell out but if it is it always seems utterly chaotic to me. Part of it is the expectation of groups of people arriving late that they can sit together or being picky about the view or wanting to be near the singing section etc. If you need to identify an area of 5-10 seats that's going to be pretty unlikely in a packed stand but people still try and do it anyway - that strikes me as having your cake and eating it. Fair enough if people want to turn up late but they have to accept that they'll end up sitting wherever I think. I think it's that which pisses quite a lot of people off. Large groups of people blundering around trying to find a non-existent group of seats 10 minutes after the game has started blocking people's view of the game. I can understand why people find that annoying. Again - this doesn't really matter with terracing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 14:58:47 GMT
That's what the stewards should be doing, instead of indulging in biggest dick competions with the supporters. I disagree with your cinema/theatre comparison, because in my view going to football is a far more visceral and immersive experience than seeing a film/play will ever be. I do agree with your comments on terracing, though! I'm not sure you do disagree with the comments about cinema/theatre - because the point I was making is that football IS a different experience from them. Getting stewards to identify empty seats in a packed stand doesn't strike me as a particularly easy thing to do and people can be picky and very rude. I've seen a lot of chaos in unallocated seating areas - a couple of times I've seen fans having to be directed onto the pitch because no one could identify where empty seats were from the stand itself. Works fine if it isn't a sell out but if it is it always seems utterly chaotic to me. Part of it is the expectation of groups of people arriving late that they can sit together or being picky about the view or wanting to be near the singing section etc. If you need to identify an area of 5-10 seats that's going to be pretty unlikely in a packed stand but people still try and do it anyway - that strikes me as having your cake and eating it. Fair enough if people want to turn up late but they have to accept that they'll end up sitting wherever I think. I think it's that which pisses quite a lot of people off. Large groups of people blundering around trying to find a non-existent group of seats 10 minutes after the game has started blocking people's view of the game. I can understand why people find that annoying. Again - this doesn't really matter with terracing. If I say I am disagreeing with you, then I bloody well disagree with you, whether you agree or not. Stewards could try harder to stop the problem from occurring, rather than pretending they're all He-Man once they've got a problem, like what happened on Saturday. But yes, I see your point. Its the herd mentality.
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Post by refugeegas on Sept 21, 2015 16:28:17 GMT
Trouble the only trouble I had was getting a pint in the spoons pub why didn't they have more staff Must be their fault Everybody I spoke to seemed to have had a good day UTG
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Post by Rex on Sept 21, 2015 16:47:45 GMT
I'm regularly go to 'big' sporting events or stadiums where everybody has to sit in their allocated seat, this includes places like Twickenham, where it's fair to say, a fair few of the supporters are pissed by the time they get to the game (not me of course), and people sitting in the correct seat doesn't cause any problems whatsoever. If a game is a sell out, or close to being one then I would much prefer stewards to enforce allocated seating, it makes sense, and I don't see the problem. To enforce it at say, our game at Hartlepool would obviously be a total nonsense, is it too much to ask for a bit of common sense from fans and stewards?
On a similar note, was anyone else at the Oldham away game about 20 years ago when we sat on the old stand on the side? Oldham had seemingly oversold our end even though the tickets were numbered, so about a dozen people had to sit in the gangways. This upset the copper in charge, who then- while the game was going on- started to force people to sit in the right seat, presumably hoping to find that the people left over wouldn't have the correct tickets. It was a right carry on with people- quite rightly- moaning that they were being moved while the game was going on. The copper realised he had started something that was more trouble than it was worth and solved the matter by arresting and ejecting a few people when they complained too vociferously which then left enough seats for those of us left! Brilliant!
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Post by nailseaglassgas on Sept 21, 2015 17:06:43 GMT
Simple solution close the turnstiles/gates 20 minutes before the kick off, anyone arriving later does not get in. Most fans would conform to this, anyone wishing to have a drink before the game could go the pub 20 minutes earlier and have the same time drinking.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 17:23:20 GMT
That's a ridiculous and unnecessary solution to what is a very trivial problem, in my opinion. If you want to get in twenty minutes earlier, do so.
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