danrory
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Post by danrory on Sept 20, 2015 5:58:02 GMT
All depressingly mindless, especially having watched japan v South Africa in a packed Brighton stadium- 30,000 people swigging lots of ale, smiling, supporting, talking to each other throughout and no hint of any animosity.
why is football so many light years behind rugby?
saddens me tbh
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 20, 2015 6:10:29 GMT
All depressingly mindless, especially having watched japan v South Africa in a packed Brighton stadium- 30,000 people swigging lots of ale, smiling, supporting, talking to each other throughout and no hint of any animosity. why is football so many light years behind rugby? saddens me tbh ....because there were no Plymouth stewards at the Jap- SA match! Haha! Let's be honest, if there was better organising this situation wouldn't have had a chance to escalate. The authorities lost control. I feel sorry for the few disabled fans that seem to be evacuated after first incident and for any kids/families drawn in. It's such a shame, as I travelled loads last season and the relaxed attitude of stewarding was conveyed to our sometimes huge following, and can't honestly remember any trouble.
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Igitur
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Post by Igitur on Sept 20, 2015 8:12:45 GMT
All depressingly mindless, especially having watched japan v South Africa in a packed Brighton stadium- 30,000 people swigging lots of ale, smiling, supporting, talking to each other throughout and no hint of any animosity. why is football so many light years behind rugby? saddens me tbh ....because there were no Plymouth stewards at the Jap- SA match! Haha! Let's be honest, if there was better organising this situation wouldn't have had a chance to escalate. The authorities lost control. I feel sorry for the few disabled fans that seem to be evacuated after first incident and for any kids/families drawn in. It's such a shame, as I travelled loads last season and the relaxed attitude of stewarding was conveyed to our sometimes huge following, and can't honestly remember any trouble. Braintree was of our making!
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 20, 2015 8:26:56 GMT
....because there were no Plymouth stewards at the Jap- SA match! Haha! Let's be honest, if there was better organising this situation wouldn't have had a chance to escalate. The authorities lost control. I feel sorry for the few disabled fans that seem to be evacuated after first incident and for any kids/families drawn in. It's such a shame, as I travelled loads last season and the relaxed attitude of stewarding was conveyed to our sometimes huge following, and can't honestly remember any trouble. Braintree was of our making! One isolated incident that I don't think anyone condoned. I meant no trouble with opposing fans/stewards/police (even with Woking fiasco).....ironic that Braintree involved player?!
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Post by bristolbluegas on Sept 20, 2015 8:34:01 GMT
You are missing the point entirely there was no one helping to get fans to the correct seats and not enough seats ! According to PLYMOUTH and BRISTOL Rovers we had sold 1290 tickets but the declared away attendance was just under 1600 ! Not sure where you got 1290 from, it says 1580 were sold on the website in the week!
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Igitur
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Post by Igitur on Sept 20, 2015 8:34:38 GMT
Braintree was of our making! One isolated incident that I don't think anyone condoned. I meant no trouble with opposing fans/stewards/police (even with Woking fiasco).....ironic that Braintree involved player?! Agreed, that why I wrote "of our making" like others I found away matches more relaxed and enjoyable.
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Post by ipswichrover on Sept 20, 2015 8:56:48 GMT
I wasn't there yesterday, but sitting in your allocated seat would be a good start to avoiding the problems. Maybe it's because the Mem isn't all seated that Rovers fans don't do this. . The result is that I have been to a few busy away games where late comers can't find anywhere to sit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 8:59:56 GMT
One isolated incident that I don't think anyone condoned. I meant no trouble with opposing fans/stewards/police (even with Woking fiasco).....ironic that Braintree involved player?! Agreed, that why I wrote "of our making" like others I found away matches more relaxed and enjoyable. Yes I found most of the away games more enjoyable experiences and the stewards attitudes better. I particularly enjoyed Southport,nice to be treated as we were by the stewards and the people we met in their bar,Tranmere was good too. Maybe in years to come lots of Rovers supporters will look back at last season as their favourite time following Rovers.
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Post by The Concept on Sept 20, 2015 9:20:52 GMT
You are missing the point entirely there was no one helping to get fans to the correct seats and not enough seats ! According to PLYMOUTH and BRISTOL Rovers we had sold 1290 tickets but the declared away attendance was just under 1600 ! Not sure where you got 1290 from, it says 1580 were sold on the website in the week! I'm sure this page originally quoted sold out of 1,231 when it was created on Thursday: www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/article/plymouth-this-weekend-a-sell-out-2695159.aspxWhen they gave out the official figure after the game of 1,590 I was surprised and wondered if it was due to accommodating people arriving without tickets - fans who hadn't realised it had been made all-ticket in advance. I do wonder if that page above has been edited. Only a couple of days before, last Monday, the announcement of all-ticket, with 1.231 available, was posted: www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/article/plymouth-argyle-now-all-ticket-2689223.aspx ... And the Supporters Club website from last Friday still shows 1,231 as the sold out figure: bristolroverssc.co.uk/2015/09/18/another-sell-out/
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 11:20:31 GMT
I wasn't there yesterday, but sitting in your allocated seat would be a good start to avoiding the problems. Maybe it's because the Mem isn't all seated that Rovers fans don't do this. . The result is that I have been to a few busy away games where late comers can't find anywhere to sit. As an avowed latecomer (no sniggering), its usually impossible to sit in my allocated seat because some other bugger is already in it. I couldn't care less though, just find an alternative and if that bothered me I'd get their earlier.
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Bridgeman
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Post by Bridgeman on Sept 20, 2015 11:46:08 GMT
The reality is that if it is all ticket and we sell out our allocation then we should sit in the seat our ticket allocates us. The steward I asked directed me to where my seat was, absolutely no problem and my mates who joined me later also sat in their allocated seat. I've no idea why some fans think we should just sit anywhere when we have sold out our allocation, all it does is cause anoyance among our own fans who then don't or won't listen to stewards trying to get them to move to where there are seats available. There were plenty of seats available in the away end just behind the goal, the Football League highlights show that. That certainly doesn't excuse the behaviour of some stewards but neither does it excuse the behaviour of some fans either. As someone has said earlier at Rugby matches people are drinking before and during the games, you never witness the sort of behaviour by fans that was seen yesterday at Plymouth, I've never really worked out quite why that is....hey ho !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 11:52:56 GMT
The reality is that if it is all ticket and we sell out our allocation then we should sit in the seat our ticket allocates us. The steward I asked directed me to where my seat was, absolutely no problem and my mates who joined me later also sat in their allocated seat. I've no idea why some fans think we should just sit anywhere when we have sold out our allocation, all it does is cause anoyance among our own fans who then don't or won't listen to stewards trying to get them to move to where there are seats available. There were plenty of seats available in the away end just behind the goal, the Football League highlights show that. That certainly doesn't excuse the behaviour of some stewards but neither does it excuse the behaviour of some fans either. As someone has said earlier at Rugby matches people are drinking before and during the games, you never witness the sort of behaviour by fans that was seen yesterday at Plymouth, I've never really worked out quite why that is....hey ho ! So should we all arrive at 1pm and guard our seats until kick off? Allocated seating either needs to be enforced and properly stewarded, or not enforced and ignored. The halfway house that is adopted by most clubs, as at Plymouth yesterday helps nobody. I don't understand what's wrong with unallocated seating. First come, first served, no arguments?
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Post by Bridgeman on Sept 20, 2015 12:20:57 GMT
The reality is that if it is all ticket and we sell out our allocation then we should sit in the seat our ticket allocates us. The steward I asked directed me to where my seat was, absolutely no problem and my mates who joined me later also sat in their allocated seat. I've no idea why some fans think we should just sit anywhere when we have sold out our allocation, all it does is cause anoyance among our own fans who then don't or won't listen to stewards trying to get them to move to where there are seats available. There were plenty of seats available in the away end just behind the goal, the Football League highlights show that. That certainly doesn't excuse the behaviour of some stewards but neither does it excuse the behaviour of some fans either. As someone has said earlier at Rugby matches people are drinking before and during the games, you never witness the sort of behaviour by fans that was seen yesterday at Plymouth, I've never really worked out quite why that is....hey ho ! So should we all arrive at 1pm and guard our seats until kick off? Allocated seating either needs to be enforced and properly stewarded, or not enforced and ignored. The halfway house that is adopted by most clubs, as at Plymouth yesterday helps nobody. I don't understand what's wrong with unallocated seating. First come, first served, no arguments? No, not at all but how about we all use the intelligence that supposedly separates us humans from other living creatures, there was a number on the ticket that allocated us a seat, all we had to do was put our bums on it....it's not rocket science really is it ? What's wrong with unallocated seating ? I think you saw the result of that yesterday, large numbers of empty seats unoccupied at one end of the away end, grown men standing in the aisles and refusing to move to where those empty seats were and lots of arguments culminating in the altacations between fans and stewards which slightly spoilt an otherwise good away day.
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Post by kwoodgas on Sept 20, 2015 12:24:13 GMT
Agree with Stu on unallocated seating. Allows people to sit with their mates without the faff of getting tickets together, singers can congreagate together and people that might struggle with stairs can sit at the front.
Also anyone who can be bothered to get there early is then rewarded with a pick of 'good seats'.
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Igitur
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Post by Igitur on Sept 20, 2015 12:31:42 GMT
Agree with Stu on unallocated seating. Allows people to sit with their mates without the faff of getting tickets together, singers can congreagate together and people that might struggle with stairs can sit at the front. Also anyone who can be bothered to get there early is then rewarded with a pick of 'good seats'. Fair points, but if a whole block has been sold out, you will end up with seats dotted all around, and groups may have to be separated. Once Millwall tried to fill blocks as you arrived in order. This was a nonsense and I nearly got thrown out for trying to sit elsewhere in the block if it had not been for the intervention of Ron Craig, God bless him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 12:34:06 GMT
So should we all arrive at 1pm and guard our seats until kick off? Allocated seating either needs to be enforced and properly stewarded, or not enforced and ignored. The halfway house that is adopted by most clubs, as at Plymouth yesterday helps nobody. I don't understand what's wrong with unallocated seating. First come, first served, no arguments? No, not at all but how about we all use the intelligence that supposedly separates us humans from other living creatures, there was a number on the ticket that allocated us a seat, all we had to do was put our bums on it....it's not rocket science really is it ? What's wrong with unallocated seating ? I think you saw the result of that yesterday, large numbers of empty seats unoccupied at one end of the away end, grown men standing in the aisles and refusing to move to where those empty seats were and lots of arguments culminating in the altacations between fans and stewards which slightly spoilt an otherwise good away day. But it wasn't unallocated seating yesterday! As for your first point, I think you're overestimating the intelligence of the Rovers crowd. Individually, we're capable of simple tasks like finding the seat on our ticket, but put us together in a crowd and we're about as intelligent as a particularly stupid herd of cows. I don't know why this is. Yesterday I looked for my seat at 2:45, saw it was occupied, and found an empty one. I then stood in front of it all game while the bloke behind me stood on it (for reasons I failed to understand) as it had no back to it. I had no problem with the fact I wasn't sat in 'my' seat. Why would anyone?
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Post by Bridgeman on Sept 20, 2015 12:35:45 GMT
If there is unlimited seating available then unallocated seating is fine, I really don't have a problem with that but if you have sold out your allocation of seats there has to be an element of control where people sit, otherwise you'll have what happened yesterday is all I'm saying
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Post by Bridgeman on Sept 20, 2015 12:50:00 GMT
No, not at all but how about we all use the intelligence that supposedly separates us humans from other living creatures, there was a number on the ticket that allocated us a seat, all we had to do was put our bums on it....it's not rocket science really is it ? What's wrong with unallocated seating ? I think you saw the result of that yesterday, large numbers of empty seats unoccupied at one end of the away end, grown men standing in the aisles and refusing to move to where those empty seats were and lots of arguments culminating in the altacations between fans and stewards which slightly spoilt an otherwise good away day. But it wasn't unallocated seating yesterday! As for your first point, I think you're overestimating the intelligence of the Rovers crowd. Individually, we're capable of simple tasks like finding the seat on our ticket, but put us together in a crowd and we're about as intelligent as a particularly stupid herd of cows. I don't know why this is. Yesterday I looked for my seat at 2:45, saw it was occupied, and found an empty one. I then stood in front of it all game while the bloke behind me stood on it (for reasons I failed to understand) as it had no back to it. I had no problem with the fact I wasn't sat in 'my' seat. Why would anyone? Ha, ha, quite agree with that, good job you weren't sat where I was in that case, every time I stood up because everyone else had, I had this bloke poke me in the back telling me to sit down 'cos his young boys couldn't see past me. I did have some sympathy as they were quite short.
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Post by Bath Gas on Sept 20, 2015 13:17:43 GMT
If it's allocated seating, a group who've bought tickets together should be able to turn up at five to three and sit together.
If it's unallocated, then groups of people who want to sit together know that they have to make the effort to get in the ground in plenty of time.
Just be clear, and stick to whichever strategy has been advertised for the match.
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kwoodgas
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Post by kwoodgas on Sept 20, 2015 13:18:53 GMT
Agree with Stu on unallocated seating. Allows people to sit with their mates without the faff of getting tickets together, singers can congreagate together and people that might struggle with stairs can sit at the front. Also anyone who can be bothered to get there early is then rewarded with a pick of 'good seats'. Fair points, but if a whole block has been sold out, you will end up with seats dotted all around, and groups may have to be separated. Once Millwall tried to fill blocks as you arrived in order. This was a nonsense and I nearly got thrown out for trying to sit elsewhere in the block if it had not been for the intervention of Ron Craig, God bless him. True, but it will then mean people who are particularly bothered about being together might not arrive at 3.05. Anyway Stu needs at least 2 seats to himself with how fat he is so you can see why hes against allocated seating
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