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Post by fanatical on Jul 23, 2015 8:58:35 GMT
illustrates completely why Twatola should be ruining another club not ours
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 9:31:14 GMT
one of the questions on the club site should have read "what if we ultimately lose this case?" Wasn't that categorically answered with "that would mean the Sainsburys big guns have won"? i meant what will the financial position be for the club? not good is the obvious answer i know
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Post by LPGas on Jul 23, 2015 10:27:06 GMT
Again a thread of negativity. I'm pretty old now and as you get older you realise it is not the things that you have done that you regret, it is the things that you haven't done that you regret, and I look at this case in the same way. What option is there. Well we need £30+ million for a new ground, or I would expect £20 million to revamp the Mem which even when it was finished would be small,cramped and no room to expand, and anyway we don't have £20 million either. Of course we could stay as we are, in a rusty ramshackle ground that if the FA decided all grounds in the league had to go all seater would have a capacity of around 5,500. At the moment the ground (and the supporters) don't pay enough to keep us from losing money every year. No doubt people will say well it's bad management, but we tend to think of the club as just a football team, and it is not. I could make the club sustainable in a day. Put up the prices up; put the price of food and drinks up; scrap the youth team, and sack the people who run it; scrap the community department and get rid of the people there, scrap all the kids teams. Open the shop one day a week, (matchday). Sack MS let DC run the team on his own. Limit the first team squad to 14 players, the rest are loanees. Put seats on the Blackthorn terracing and charge more. Close the away terrace and force away supporters to go in to the tent at the same price as the Blackthorn. Sack the groundsman and get an outside contractor. Yes I can see lots of ways for making the club sustainable, but all of them would be on this board saying , "they cant do it, I'm not going again" but as the chairman I know you would, and you would buy a pasty meal deal. So I guess it is better that I am not the Chairman, or anyone else who (at this moment) is going to do the above. Being sustainable, or in short "making money" is easy but it requires being ruthless and upsetting people. We have to appeal, because it is another chance to get what we need to survive, and become a bigger club.
I think some of you are happy to stay as we are, you only have to read some of the threads, "why cant we develop the Mem" "why cant we have terracing". Staying as we are is no good. Over the next 20 years we could slowly die. I would say now that the majority of the supporters that go to the Mem regulary are "getting on a bit" as I am. In fact I would say we out number the younger ones by a huge ratio. Lets say then you are 6 years old, you have never been to a game before, your father who has no allegiance takes you to a fully developed Aston Gate, then to the open east terrace of the Mem, where it is cold, wet and apart from the Blackthorn end there is no atmosphere as the noise disappears in to the openness of the ground. What club are you likely to want to go to again?
Already you see lots of kids walking around with Man Utd or Liverpool shirts on, we have lost them to SKY TV. Our future supporter recruitment is looking bleak. Yes we have the "loyal" 5000 at the moment, but how long will that continue?
We are at a disadvantage in living in a city that has 2 teams. Obviously for attendance reasons, but where as Swansea a good few other clubs have had assistance from their councils, we can never have that, because City would want the same, and it is true of Gloucester too, Cheltenham and Gloucester, and Forest Green would all want the same, and anyway the days of councils having any spare cash have gone, probably for ever.
I often think of how many people on this board thought that we would lose the play off final when Grimsby scored first, I think a lot of you did. A lot of you didn't want DC in charge, a lot of you didn't want this player, or that player. It makes you wonder why we are such "great supporters". And then there are the misguided negative ones, "Get rid of Higgs now!" Well who has the cash to buy him out? err that will be "I don't know" or some "Foreigner". It's bloody fantasy really. Who is going to pay out for a club that desperately needs a new ground as well as better players. Well those people are the ones who own clubs in the Championship, or Premier league. If it happens it would be a miracle, but can anyone actually see this happen? I think if we had a new ground then we might just attract someone.
So the appeal. At the moment we are only seeking leave (permission) to appeal, and the cost of that is negligable. If our argument is crap then it will be turned down, and we don't spend any more money. But if the judge considers that we have a good chance of overturning the decision then we have "leave" to appeal.
This is our last chance to get the necessary money not just to have a new ground, but a chance to last through the 21st century, with a possibility of growing.
I for one say, yes lets go for it, because if we don't we will be in trouble anyway and although I can moan for Britain as my missus will confirm I like to think that I am positive when it concerns the things I love, and one of them is Bristol Rovers
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 11:43:22 GMT
Well LP, its not where we are, its how we got here. How much have the BoD squandered (regardless of where the money came from)? Its millions since 2007. The trouble I think for a lot of us is we do not see how, as the executive is currently set up, it will not be the same as long as the same people are involved.
Personally the UWE is dead, even if we get the full £30M. The funding was already short of the capital requirement before the BoD took out the £2.5K Wonga loan.
Let them seek the appeal, even if the club wins after a lengthy legal battle, we will have racked up a couple of seasons of losses (circa £750K a season) unless we get lucky.
My opinion is that the BoD are just trying to get their loans (money that they squandered) back....its not much to do with the development of BRFC anymore, in my opinion.
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Post by alwaysgas on Jul 23, 2015 12:01:00 GMT
I haven't bothered to check with companies house but I thought NH had converted alot of his loan to shares Oldie.
The problem with this forum is so many people use it like a war games exercise and think if the past is continually lived in then the present will miraculously have a different outcome.
Seeking permission to appeal, after legal advice is just an obvious decicion to make and has nothing to do with what happened when the board split.
On the playing side the biggest mistake since 2007 was not sacking PT at the same time as LL, the games at LO and Walsall were appalling and probably we only stayed up that year because the board bought Heffernan.
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Post by stevek192 on Jul 23, 2015 12:08:31 GMT
I think you are both right with what you say. the worrying thing is that after all these years of trying to get a stadium we are at present getting nowhere whatsoever. All the Bods eggs were in the one basket as has been proven since two years ago (2013) it was obvious to the Board that Sainsbury's wanted to get out so what they should have been looking at were other ways to get that money. We are now two years down the line and all we have moved is that Sainsbury's have now got out of the contract. They should have been named and shamed two years ago. Our Legal bods have a lot to answer for with their actions and the fact we are continuing to take their advice worries me sick.
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Post by alloutofgas on Jul 23, 2015 12:10:19 GMT
Hmmm. The glittering prize that is in our Chairman's possession for which he has to be given great credit, is PLANNING PERMISSION for a brand new stadium within the Greater Bristol area. In all the aborted projects, Hallen, Mangotsfield, Ashton Vale for Lansdown and his untold millions, here is a project that has legal permission to be built. For the FIRST TIME. EVER. This development will in turn unlock further investment worth millions in the area. I simply cannot accept that there isn't anyone out there with serious money who has not been alerted to this fact. A new stadium in the right location, and the UWE most certainly is, is a highly profitable concern. Chuck in a reasonably supported team, either football or rugby, and with various functions throughout the year, away you go. The PP stage is a massive hurdle to overcome and it has been achieved. I bet Dyson has had a look, Peter Hargreaves too? Christ, the could fund it and use it as a tax break! It is absolutely obvious there is a lot going on behind the scenes, we'll find out sooner or later. All we can do as fans is give 100% support to Darrell and the team. Hapless Higgs has been a terrible chairman, but his legacy could see him in a much different light.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 12:13:47 GMT
I haven't bothered to check with companies house but I thought NH had converted alot of his loan to shares Oldie. The problem with this forum is so many people use it like a war games exercise and think if the past is continually lived in then the present will miraculously have a different outcome. Seeking permission to appeal, after legal advice is just an obvious decicion to make and has nothing to do with what happened when the board split. On the playing side the biggest mistake since 2007 was not sacking PT at the same time as LL, the games at LO and Walsall were appalling and probably we only stayed up that year because the board bought Heffernan. Always Which is why I said "Regardless of where the money came from"? You invest equity, you can make a personal loan, you could issue preference shares, you could even ask the fans to give you the odd million. But squandering it is still just, squandering it. And as for the jibe about living in the past, thats exactly what I am arguing against. The past 6 years have been a disaster and we need to move with fresh ideas and thinking. Not carry on with "kick and hope" management technique currently employed. I actually agree, seeking leave to appeal is a no brainer, if the funds are there to pay for that legal work. But whats important is that the BoD dont pretend that the UWE is achievable, even if we win after the probable projected battle
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jul 23, 2015 12:21:29 GMT
If losing the appeal would cause the club to go into administration, then that's exactly what they are doing People spotted with surveying equipment with Higgs and Ware at The Mem yesterday so somebody looks to be trying to find a plan b. Hope they don't forget glass of water and a pair of tights for the contract negotiations.
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Post by alwaysgas on Jul 23, 2015 12:30:20 GMT
Oldie, Sorry in France and for some reason the forum isn't allowing me to use quote.
My equity comment was in respect of you stating that you thought the board were just trying to get their loans back.
I have read a number of your posts and what disappoints me is that you clearly are a rovers fan and would appear to have the ability to be involved in the future direction of the club.
I understand your frustrations and I suspect you went into the shsre scheme negotiations in good faith not expecting to be undermined.
However, hard as it is, I suspect your energies would be more useful and more appreciated looking to future not the past.
You posted that, before I believe the Alfreton game, you hosted a dinner for potential investors and it would be interesting to know whether they were thinking of a buy out or input of investment.
Are they still showing interest?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 12:48:06 GMT
Oldie, Sorry in France and for some reason the forum isn't allowing me to use quote. My equity comment was in respect of you stating that you thought the board were just trying to get their loans back. I have read a number of your posts and what disappoints me is that you clearly are a rovers fan and would appear to have the ability to be involved in the future direction of the club. I understand your frustrations and I suspect you went into the shsre scheme negotiations in good faith not expecting to be undermined. However, hard as it is, I suspect your energies would be more useful and more appreciated looking to future not the past. You posted that, before I believe the Alfreton game, you hosted a dinner for potential investors and it would be interesting to know whether they were thinking of a buy out or input of investment. Are they still showing interest? Always Enjoy France.... My days of potential involvement are long gone. I spent 4 years of my life trying that from what I, and others, believed was from a view of a sustainable future. I am aware that last year there was a proposition from an interested group which have let NH get out with dignity and also leave ownership of the main assetbwithin the current company structure. It was roundly rejected, I suspected then and am convinced now because of hubris and self delusion. The sad fact is that we further away from a sustainable future than ever. But you are right, I will always be a Rovers fan, OTT on occasion, but that goes with the territory. One of my funniest moments is when my office team painted the inside of my office door in blue & white squares as per the shirt.
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Post by casey12a on Jul 23, 2015 13:10:33 GMT
Again a thread of negativity. I'm pretty old now and as you get older you realise it is not the things that you have done that you regret, it is the things that you haven't done that you regret, and I look at this case in the same way. What option is there. Well we need £30+ million for a new ground, or I would expect £20 million to revamp the Mem which even when it was finished would be small,cramped and no room to expand, and anyway we don't have £20 million either. Of course we could stay as we are, in a rusty ramshackle ground that if the FA decided all grounds in the league had to go all seater would have a capacity of around 5,500. At the moment the ground (and the supporters) don't pay enough to keep us from losing money every year. No doubt people will say well it's bad management, but we tend to think of the club as just a football team, and it is not. I could make the club sustainable in a day. Put up the prices up; put the price of food and drinks up; scrap the youth team, and sack the people who run it; scrap the community department and get rid of the people there, scrap all the kids teams. Open the shop one day a week, (matchday). Sack MS let DC run the team on his own. Limit the first team squad to 14 players, the rest are loanees. Put seats on the Blackthorn terracing and charge more. Close the away terrace and force away supporters to go in to the tent at the same price as the Blackthorn. Sack the groundsman and get an outside contractor. Yes I can see lots of ways for making the club sustainable, but all of them would be on this board saying , "they cant do it, I'm not going again" but as the chairman I know you would, and you would buy a pasty meal deal. So I guess it is better that I am not the Chairman, or anyone else who (at this moment) is going to do the above. Being sustainable, or in short "making money" is easy but it requires being ruthless and upsetting people. We have to appeal, because it is another chance to get what we need to survive, and become a bigger club. I think some of you are happy to stay as we are, you only have to read some of the threads, "why cant we develop the Mem" "why cant we have terracing". Staying as we are is no good. Over the next 20 years we could slowly die. I would say now that the majority of the supporters that go to the Mem regulary are "getting on a bit" as I am. In fact I would say we out number the younger ones by a huge ratio. Lets say then you are 6 years old, you have never been to a game before, your father who has no allegiance takes you to a fully developed Aston Gate, then to the open east terrace of the Mem, where it is cold, wet and apart from the Blackthorn end there is no atmosphere as the noise disappears in to the openness of the ground. What club are you likely to want to go to again? Already you see lots of kids walking around with Man Utd or Liverpool shirts on, we have lost them to SKY TV. Our future supporter recruitment is looking bleak. Yes we have the "loyal" 5000 at the moment, but how long will that continue? We are at a disadvantage in living in a city that has 2 teams. Obviously for attendance reasons, but where as Swansea a good few other clubs have had assistance from their councils, we can never have that, because City would want the same, and it is true of Gloucester too, Cheltenham and Gloucester, and Forest Green would all want the same, and anyway the days of councils having any spare cash have gone, probably for ever. I often think of how many people on this board thought that we would lose the play off final when Grimsby scored first, I think a lot of you did. A lot of you didn't want DC in charge, a lot of you didn't want this player, or that player. It makes you wonder why we are such "great supporters". And then there are the misguided negative ones, "Get rid of Higgs now!" Well who has the cash to buy him out? err that will be "I don't know" or some "Foreigner". It's bloody fantasy really. Who is going to pay out for a club that desperately needs a new ground as well as better players. Well those people are the ones who own clubs in the Championship, or Premier league. If it happens it would be a miracle, but can anyone actually see this happen? I think if we had a new ground then we might just attract someone. So the appeal. At the moment we are only seeking leave (permission) to appeal, and the cost of that is negligable. If our argument is crap then it will be turned down, and we don't spend any more money. But if the judge considers that we have a good chance of overturning the decision then we have "leave" to appeal. This is our last chance to get the necessary money not just to have a new ground, but a chance to last through the 21st century, with a possibility of growing. I for one say, yes lets go for it, because if we don't we will be in trouble anyway and although I can moan for Britain as my missus will confirm I like to think that I am positive when it concerns the things I love, and one of them is Bristol Rovers Unfortunately the negativity around this and other threads is due to the genuine concern from supports that a club we've all supported all of our lives may not be around for future generations. What probably adds to the negativity is that we feel helpless to do anything to change it.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 23, 2015 13:11:20 GMT
One thing I can't get my head around is if the income streams from the UWE are so good why isn't anybody else interested in financing the project?
Also why did NH go for a £30m build why not £25m and leave some money spare?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 23, 2015 13:13:15 GMT
is dosnt look too good does it? but what if we win the appeal? will the forum shut down? or will everyone change there usernames. one of the questions on the club site should have read "what if we ultimately lose this case?" thats my question but i still feel people have gone overboard with there condemnation when we could still win the appeal. We could win the appeal. If we did i wont be holding my breath that the stadium will be built You never did
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 23, 2015 13:20:17 GMT
Again a thread of negativity. I'm pretty old now and as you get older you realise it is not the things that you have done that you regret, it is the things that you haven't done that you regret, and I look at this case in the same way. What option is there. Well we need £30+ million for a new ground, or I would expect £20 million to revamp the Mem which even when it was finished would be small,cramped and no room to expand, and anyway we don't have £20 million either. Of course we could stay as we are, in a rusty ramshackle ground that if the FA decided all grounds in the league had to go all seater would have a capacity of around 5,500. At the moment the ground (and the supporters) don't pay enough to keep us from losing money every year. No doubt people will say well it's bad management, but we tend to think of the club as just a football team, and it is not. I could make the club sustainable in a day. Put up the prices up; put the price of food and drinks up; scrap the youth team, and sack the people who run it; scrap the community department and get rid of the people there, scrap all the kids teams. Open the shop one day a week, (matchday). Sack MS let DC run the team on his own. Limit the first team squad to 14 players, the rest are loanees. Put seats on the Blackthorn terracing and charge more. Close the away terrace and force away supporters to go in to the tent at the same price as the Blackthorn. Sack the groundsman and get an outside contractor. Yes I can see lots of ways for making the club sustainable, but all of them would be on this board saying , "they cant do it, I'm not going again" but as the chairman I know you would, and you would buy a pasty meal deal. So I guess it is better that I am not the Chairman, or anyone else who (at this moment) is going to do the above. Being sustainable, or in short "making money" is easy but it requires being ruthless and upsetting people. We have to appeal, because it is another chance to get what we need to survive, and become a bigger club. I think some of you are happy to stay as we are, you only have to read some of the threads, "why cant we develop the Mem" "why cant we have terracing". Staying as we are is no good. Over the next 20 years we could slowly die. I would say now that the majority of the supporters that go to the Mem regulary are "getting on a bit" as I am. In fact I would say we out number the younger ones by a huge ratio. Lets say then you are 6 years old, you have never been to a game before, your father who has no allegiance takes you to a fully developed Aston Gate, then to the open east terrace of the Mem, where it is cold, wet and apart from the Blackthorn end there is no atmosphere as the noise disappears in to the openness of the ground. What club are you likely to want to go to again? Already you see lots of kids walking around with Man Utd or Liverpool shirts on, we have lost them to SKY TV. Our future supporter recruitment is looking bleak. Yes we have the "loyal" 5000 at the moment, but how long will that continue? We are at a disadvantage in living in a city that has 2 teams. Obviously for attendance reasons, but where as Swansea a good few other clubs have had assistance from their councils, we can never have that, because City would want the same, and it is true of Gloucester too, Cheltenham and Gloucester, and Forest Green would all want the same, and anyway the days of councils having any spare cash have gone, probably for ever. I often think of how many people on this board thought that we would lose the play off final when Grimsby scored first, I think a lot of you did. A lot of you didn't want DC in charge, a lot of you didn't want this player, or that player. It makes you wonder why we are such "great supporters". And then there are the misguided negative ones, "Get rid of Higgs now!" Well who has the cash to buy him out? err that will be "I don't know" or some "Foreigner". It's bloody fantasy really. Who is going to pay out for a club that desperately needs a new ground as well as better players. Well those people are the ones who own clubs in the Championship, or Premier league. If it happens it would be a miracle, but can anyone actually see this happen? I think if we had a new ground then we might just attract someone. So the appeal. At the moment we are only seeking leave (permission) to appeal, and the cost of that is negligable. If our argument is crap then it will be turned down, and we don't spend any more money. But if the judge considers that we have a good chance of overturning the decision then we have "leave" to appeal. This is our last chance to get the necessary money not just to have a new ground, but a chance to last through the 21st century, with a possibility of growing. I for one say, yes lets go for it, because if we don't we will be in trouble anyway and although I can moan for Britain as my missus will confirm I like to think that I am positive when it concerns the things I love, and one of them is Bristol Rovers This has to be the best post ever posted about our situation and put over with any backstabbing innuendo. Very well Posted Sir !
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 23, 2015 13:22:02 GMT
Well LP, its not where we are, its how we got here. How much have the BoD squandered (regardless of where the money came from)? Its millions since 2007. The trouble I think for a lot of us is we do not see how, as the executive is currently set up, it will not be the same as long as the same people are involved. Personally the UWE is dead, even if we get the full £30M. The funding was already short of the capital requirement before the BoD took out the £2.5K Wonga loan. Let them seek the appeal, even if the club wins after a lengthy legal battle, we will have racked up a couple of seasons of losses (circa £750K a season) unless we get lucky. My opinion is that the BoD are just trying to get their loans (money that they squandered) back....its not much to do with the development of BRFC anymore, in my opinion. Stop living in the past oldie and think about the possible future. The past is GONE you can't change it, just learn from it
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Post by Peter Parker on Jul 23, 2015 13:27:48 GMT
Again a thread of negativity. I'm pretty old now and as you get older you realise it is not the things that you have done that you regret, it is the things that you haven't done that you regret, and I look at this case in the same way. What option is there. Well we need £30+ million for a new ground, or I would expect £20 million to revamp the Mem which even when it was finished would be small,cramped and no room to expand, and anyway we don't have £20 million either. Of course we could stay as we are, in a rusty ramshackle ground that if the FA decided all grounds in the league had to go all seater would have a capacity of around 5,500. At the moment the ground (and the supporters) don't pay enough to keep us from losing money every year. No doubt people will say well it's bad management, but we tend to think of the club as just a football team, and it is not. I could make the club sustainable in a day. Put up the prices up; put the price of food and drinks up; scrap the youth team, and sack the people who run it; scrap the community department and get rid of the people there, scrap all the kids teams. Open the shop one day a week, (matchday). Sack MS let DC run the team on his own. Limit the first team squad to 14 players, the rest are loanees. Put seats on the Blackthorn terracing and charge more. Close the away terrace and force away supporters to go in to the tent at the same price as the Blackthorn. Sack the groundsman and get an outside contractor. Yes I can see lots of ways for making the club sustainable, but all of them would be on this board saying , "they cant do it, I'm not going again" but as the chairman I know you would, and you would buy a pasty meal deal. So I guess it is better that I am not the Chairman, or anyone else who (at this moment) is going to do the above. Being sustainable, or in short "making money" is easy but it requires being ruthless and upsetting people. We have to appeal, because it is another chance to get what we need to survive, and become a bigger club. I think some of you are happy to stay as we are, you only have to read some of the threads, "why cant we develop the Mem" "why cant we have terracing". Staying as we are is no good. Over the next 20 years we could slowly die. I would say now that the majority of the supporters that go to the Mem regulary are "getting on a bit" as I am. In fact I would say we out number the younger ones by a huge ratio. Lets say then you are 6 years old, you have never been to a game before, your father who has no allegiance takes you to a fully developed Aston Gate, then to the open east terrace of the Mem, where it is cold, wet and apart from the Blackthorn end there is no atmosphere as the noise disappears in to the openness of the ground. What club are you likely to want to go to again? Already you see lots of kids walking around with Man Utd or Liverpool shirts on, we have lost them to SKY TV. Our future supporter recruitment is looking bleak. Yes we have the "loyal" 5000 at the moment, but how long will that continue? We are at a disadvantage in living in a city that has 2 teams. Obviously for attendance reasons, but where as Swansea a good few other clubs have had assistance from their councils, we can never have that, because City would want the same, and it is true of Gloucester too, Cheltenham and Gloucester, and Forest Green would all want the same, and anyway the days of councils having any spare cash have gone, probably for ever. I often think of how many people on this board thought that we would lose the play off final when Grimsby scored first, I think a lot of you did. A lot of you didn't want DC in charge, a lot of you didn't want this player, or that player. It makes you wonder why we are such "great supporters". And then there are the misguided negative ones, "Get rid of Higgs now!" Well who has the cash to buy him out? err that will be "I don't know" or some "Foreigner". It's bloody fantasy really. Who is going to pay out for a club that desperately needs a new ground as well as better players. Well those people are the ones who own clubs in the Championship, or Premier league. If it happens it would be a miracle, but can anyone actually see this happen? I think if we had a new ground then we might just attract someone. So the appeal. At the moment we are only seeking leave (permission) to appeal, and the cost of that is negligable. If our argument is crap then it will be turned down, and we don't spend any more money. But if the judge considers that we have a good chance of overturning the decision then we have "leave" to appeal. This is our last chance to get the necessary money not just to have a new ground, but a chance to last through the 21st century, with a possibility of growing. I for one say, yes lets go for it, because if we don't we will be in trouble anyway and although I can moan for Britain as my missus will confirm I like to think that I am positive when it concerns the things I love, and one of them is Bristol Rovers Unfortunately the negativity around this and other threads is due to the genuine concern from supports that a club we've all supported all of our lives may not be around for future generations. What probably adds to the negativity is that we feel helpless to do anything to change it. Ans its not exactly the first time You can only live inhope for so long
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 14:13:34 GMT
Well LP, its not where we are, its how we got here. How much have the BoD squandered (regardless of where the money came from)? Its millions since 2007. The trouble I think for a lot of us is we do not see how, as the executive is currently set up, it will not be the same as long as the same people are involved. Personally the UWE is dead, even if we get the full £30M. The funding was already short of the capital requirement before the BoD took out the £2.5K Wonga loan. Let them seek the appeal, even if the club wins after a lengthy legal battle, we will have racked up a couple of seasons of losses (circa £750K a season) unless we get lucky. My opinion is that the BoD are just trying to get their loans (money that they squandered) back....its not much to do with the development of BRFC anymore, in my opinion. Stop living in the past oldie and think about the possible future. The past is GONE you can't change it, just learn from it Good advice Henbury but the problem is that the same mistakes are being made over and over again year after year so the past is also the present.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 14:17:01 GMT
Stop living in the past oldie and think about the possible future. The past is GONE you can't change it, just learn from it Good advice Henbury but the problem is that the same mistakes are being made over and over again year after year so the past is also the present. Precisely I only use the past to highlight the present
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 23, 2015 14:43:14 GMT
Stop living in the past oldie and think about the possible future. The past is GONE you can't change it, just learn from itGood advice Henbury but the problem is that the same mistakes are being made over and over again year after year so the past is also the present. Accept what you say the problem is we never learn from our mistakes....
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