|
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 26, 2024 11:18:05 GMT
Trump now declining to participate in the Republican candidate debates. His team are now trying to go back on the Presidential debates in September now that Harris has replaced Biden. Interesting that Trump is now on the backfoot at 78, with regard to age and mental health after more memory gaffes, including getting his running mate's name wrong, awkward for the Republicans after they slammed Biden's age and competency. They got their way and now it has backfired on them. And he is a felon Oh stop it Oldie. It was a 'misdemeanor' as you well know and it will be overturned by the Supreme Court for a number of reasons, Is everyone in the UK convicted of speeding a 'felon' in your eyes?
|
|
|
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 26, 2024 5:48:57 GMT
What on earth is "appropriate force". That is the sort of wording used by people who have never been in a dangerous and possible life-threatening situation. The people arrested had already assaulted an Emergency Worker. Was that a Paramedic or similar? They had assaulted Police Officers, requiring three to go to hospital for treatment. What would you consider to be "appropriate force"? I'd love to know. Three police officers had to go to hospital for treatment? Hmm. Were they fighting the Jedi or something? It's not a good look to make fun of this fact.
|
|
|
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 25, 2024 17:24:22 GMT
I believe the Police have referred themselves to Police Conduct. Let's what the investigation brings One officer suspended. One person reported to have a cyst on the brain. That officer will be sacked, and quite likely sent to prison. No. The Police Officer is not suspended. That is not how these things work. The Police referring themselves to the Conduct mob is SOP.
|
|
|
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 25, 2024 14:17:44 GMT
What on earth is "appropriate force". That is the sort of wording used by people who have never been in a dangerous and possible life-threatening situation. The people arrested had already assaulted an Emergency Worker. Was that a Paramedic or similar? They had assaulted Police Officers, requiring three to go to hospital for treatment. What would you consider to be "appropriate force"? I'd love to know. A former chief superintendent was on the radio earlier and used the words appalling and unnecessary. Just what is this nonsense about "appropriate force"? What if the copper didn't quite get it right and he didn't quite reach the "appropriate force" level required to subdue? What if that gave the target leeway to jump up and say, stab the officer, causing life-changing or life threatening injuries? and al because the officer was trying to only apply "proportional force"! Sorry, but you put them down and ensure they stay down. As it is always said, better to be tried by twelve than carried by six !
|
|
|
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 25, 2024 14:02:35 GMT
You do not meet violence with violence. You meet violence with extreme violence. Once the target is down, keep them there. Watching the various videos it is quite obvious that the Police had asked these people to do various things, but these people were not going to do them. It's "appropriate force". We'll see what happens. What on earth is "appropriate force". That is the sort of wording used by people who have never been in a dangerous and possible life-threatening situation. The people arrested had already assaulted an Emergency Worker. Was that a Paramedic or similar? They had assaulted Police Officers, requiring three to go to hospital for treatment. What would you consider to be "appropriate force"? I'd love to know.
|
|
|
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 25, 2024 13:52:32 GMT
I don't know exactly as we don't know the full context of the situation, but subdue and control the target comes to mind. Also, how do you know he wasn't asking one of the surrounding people to do something to assist him? Kick to the head and stamping? Is that a standard procedure for the police to subdue someone on the ground? You do not meet violence with violence. You meet violence with extreme violence. Once the target is down, keep them there. Watching the various videos it is quite obvious that the Police had asked these people to do various things, but these people were not going to do them.
|
|
|
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 25, 2024 13:27:42 GMT
How do we know? What was going on exactly elsewhere? What had gone on before? Have you ever received training on what to do in a threatening situation? What was the intention of the kick? I don't know exactly as we don't know the full context of the situation, but subdue and control the target comes to mind. Also, how do you know he wasn't asking one of the surrounding people to do something to assist him?
|
|
|
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 25, 2024 13:24:19 GMT
Answering a question with a question? I asked a question of you. You asked a question back about someone else. I do not speak for others. If you have an issue with their responses, then please take it up with them. So, why does the semi literate have to be "white"? Have to be? Nobody has to be. Some people just are. And Mickey taking aside, skin colour is not relevant whether it be literacy, violence or any form of stupidity. That really is my point If that really is your 'point' whΓ½ even say these semi literate people are white? I am pretty sure that if someone else had written that same sentence, and replaced 'white' with 'black' you'd be all over it.
|
|
|
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 25, 2024 13:19:01 GMT
Three Police Officers had to go to hospital for treatment. " 'Two men have been arrested on suspicion of assault, assault of emergency worker, affray, and obstructing police. 'Two other men have also been arrested on suspicion of affray and assault of an emergency worker.'" So, four of them assaulted an emergency worker. The officers who responded to the incident were all carrying weapons. There is always a worry that during any 'scuffles' the weapon could be stolen and used. He was prone, was he a threat at that time? How do we know? What was going on exactly elsewhere? What had gone on before? Have you ever received training on what to do in a threatening situation?
|
|
|
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 25, 2024 12:44:49 GMT
"Amar Rafiq, who filmed some of the original video, was returning to Manchester from Qatar when he saw the incident unfold in front of him.
He said: 'I walked out to the concourse where the incident was taking place. The officer had the man put up against the wall, he was trying to push and shove the officer.
'Moments later the other guy that had been there punched the officer, then they took both of them to the ground. They [police] were saying "you're under arrest".'
He said that was when he started filming, capturing the moment one of the men appeared to be kicked in the head. "
Obviously lot's going on, a very confused situation. However, if you go round punching Police Officers then you'd better expect something to come back your way.
|
|
|
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 25, 2024 12:40:17 GMT
Police brutality? A female Police Officer had her nose broken by these innocent lads. They were resisting arrest. Does anyone expect the Police to just say, "you're nicked son. Come along quietly!". It's about time some people realised that all the Police Officers want to go home at the end of their shift, in one piece. Sometimes you have to meet violence with extreme violence. He was lying down and his actions could have made things worse. This will make policing more difficult. Three Police Officers had to go to hospital for treatment. " 'Two men have been arrested on suspicion of assault, assault of emergency worker, affray, and obstructing police. 'Two other men have also been arrested on suspicion of affray and assault of an emergency worker.'" So, four of them assaulted an emergency worker. The officers who responded to the incident were all carrying weapons. There is always a worry that during any 'scuffles' the weapon could be stolen and used.
|
|
|
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 25, 2024 12:01:51 GMT
Police brutality? A female Police Officer had her nose broken by these innocent lads. They were resisting arrest. Does anyone expect the Police to just say, "you're nicked son. Come along quietly!".
It's about time some people realised that all the Police Officers want to go home at the end of their shift, in one piece. Sometimes you have to meet violence with extreme violence.
|
|
|
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 25, 2024 11:53:15 GMT
Why does this 'semi literate' have to be white? Why do perpetrators of knife crime presumed "non native" Answering a question with a question? I asked a question of you. You asked a question back about someone else. I do not speak for others. If you have an issue with their responses, then please take it up with them. So, why does the semi literate have to be "white"?
|
|
|
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 25, 2024 10:17:19 GMT
Out of genuine interest, what do you class as 'a traditional native of this country.'
Semi literate white van driver screaming obscenities out of the window....ππππ Why does this 'semi literate' have to be white?
|
|
|
Reform
Jul 23, 2024 20:02:21 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 23, 2024 20:02:21 GMT
My work contract is in the UK. I pay tax in the UK on my wages. I am a UK citizen, always have been. I have never been a German citizen. Yes, I am limited to 180 days working in Germany for tax purposes, but I will not get even close to that, even though I do hold a German Residence Permit. Working and moving around the EU is not a problem. It is a myth built-up by those who have never tried it, nor probably will. So you are restricted tax wise if your company needed you to work 180 days plus in Germany, and you have a German Residence Permit which means you are not subject to other restrictions which UK citizens without a permit are. Thanks, that gives a clearer understanding. My company will never require me to work more than 180 days a year in Germany, in fact nowhere near that amount. I only go to Germany every six weeks or so. I sometimes also work in Paris or Amsterdam for a few days. As I have said, working and movement within the EU is not a problem. It's just a scare story propagated by those who have never done it nor ever will. The Residence Permit does not give me anything. It is just a paper exercise following Brexit. Just good ole German beaurocracy.
|
|
|
Reform
Jul 23, 2024 15:39:24 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 23, 2024 15:39:24 GMT
But you are taking Farage's words out of context. I live in the UK. I work in Germany. I own property in both the UK and Germany. I travel to Germany every six weeks, usually by driving through France, Belgium and Holland, quite freely and without restriction. Workers Rights? Are you suggesting that Worker's Rights have been eroded in the UK since Brexit? I do know that the EU Workers Directive is causing some problems in the EU. I do know for a fact that my working conditions improved quite a lot after transferring my contract from Frankfurt to London. So for work purposes are you classed as a German or UK citizen? Are you restricted to 180 days abiding in Germany, as UK citizens are? Or have you a visa/residency? My work contract is in the UK. I pay tax in the UK on my wages. I am a UK citizen, always have been. I have never been a German citizen. Yes, I am limited to 180 days working in Germany for tax purposes, but I will not get even close to that, even though I do hold a German Residence Permit. Working and moving around the EU is not a problem. It is a myth built-up by those who have never tried it, nor probably will.
|
|
|
Reform
Jul 23, 2024 13:17:05 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 23, 2024 13:17:05 GMT
Jesus H......They are your opinions, nothing else ! I know you have not made up the statements from Reform, but your responses are just your opinion, without any evidence! Can you point out the factual evidence in your responses? "I was disappointed there wasn't a backing track of the Twickenham crowd sing "Jerusalem" Pure dog whistle Trumpian nonsense." "Right. So let me get this right. Slash tax revenues, cause huge increase in the PSBR, funded by who exactly? The bond markets will run a mile (remember Truss?). Or will they slash public services?" "ππ "I could go on, but you get the story. Ill considered populist nonsense, full of dog whistle rhetoric which will not stand up to challenge." Ok I give up. I quote evidence for my opinions, but that's not evidence according to you. Makes sense Yes, please give up. If you cannot see that you are just voicing your own opinions then it's pointless carrying on to be frank.
|
|
|
Reform
Jul 23, 2024 12:55:46 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 23, 2024 12:55:46 GMT
I'm afraid Terry that you are taking the Farage quotes about Putin out of context. He is not an apologist for Putin, far from it. Just what are these "EU Rights"? My son has a British and German passport. What is the problem with that? I have friends who have Irish and British passports. I work with people who have Indian and German passports. Most of these forums are based on people's opinions. If we held conversations with our friends in the pub, and you were only allowed to talk using facts, it'll be a pretty short conversation. Opinions are what makes debate interesting. So Farage can be quoted but you require the full text, noted for future reference when Starmer and Labour are misquoted on here. EU rights, a.o. right to travel, work and own property freely without restriction. Right to use EU institutions such as Erasmus. The freedom to conduct a business in accordance with Union law and national laws and practices is recognised. Better working conditions - note recent Telegraph article where London banks are complaining about EU workers rights. Rights of assembly better than those in the UK which were eroded by the last Government. Science institutions working together across the EU, something which British scientists have been frustrated with where they could not have full membership such as Copernicus, Euratom R&D etc Etc etc I have no problem with dual nationality. Only the hypocrisy of those who damn the EU like Farage, Dyson and Ratcliffe and then exploit opportunities within it. I don't have an issue with opinion, but when it is treated like fact e.g. 'Most people are concerned...' intimating that a known majority are against something when in fact that is not the case. If you said 'in my opinion...' or 'my view is...' I have no problem, but that is not what you were saying. As for pub debate, since Brexit I try not to discuss politics in the pub with anyone other than those I know can have a reasoned conversation or debate. After being told on a number of occasions by Brexiteers to 'f**k off, you lost, get over it' when talking about the banking market and the impact of Brexit, which I know a bit about but it differed from what they had read in the Daily Mail, Sun and Express.... I no longer engage with those in the pub who think I am not entitled to an opinion different from their own. But you are taking Farage's words out of context. I live in the UK. I work in Germany. I own property in both the UK and Germany. I travel to Germany every six weeks, usually by driving through France, Belgium and Holland, quite freely and without restriction. Workers Rights? Are you suggesting that Worker's Rights have been eroded in the UK since Brexit? I do know that the EU Workers Directive is causing some problems in the EU. I do know for a fact that my working conditions improved quite a lot after transferring my contract from Frankfurt to London.
|
|
|
Reform
Jul 23, 2024 12:21:53 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 23, 2024 12:21:53 GMT
No Oldie, let's try this again. Your responses were just your opinions and not facts. Let's try this again. My opinion(s) are predicated upon the printed and original statements from Reform, which I quoted, word for word. I have not just made it up. Unlike statements on here, such as "taxes will rise" (which indeed they may) but without any evidence other than a personal opinion. I hope that helps Jesus H......They are your opinions, nothing else ! I know you have not made up the statements from Reform, but your responses are just your opinion, without any evidence! Can you point out the factual evidence in your responses? "I was disappointed there wasn't a backing track of the Twickenham crowd sing "Jerusalem" Pure dog whistle Trumpian nonsense." "Right. So let me get this right. Slash tax revenues, cause huge increase in the PSBR, funded by who exactly? The bond markets will run a mile (remember Truss?). Or will they slash public services?" "ππ "I could go on, but you get the story. Ill considered populist nonsense, full of dog whistle rhetoric which will not stand up to challenge."
|
|
|
Reform
Jul 23, 2024 11:11:55 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Jul 23, 2024 11:11:55 GMT
We could also go back to the original post that started this thread. Oldie's answer's are just his opinion, not fact. So, this thread was started on the basis of someone's "opinion", not fact. Was Oldie pulled up on this error Terry? "Given that I appear to be the only one who thinks that Reform are a joke, given that nobody has articulated why they support them having said they do, other than because of their dislike for every other party, I thought I would have a look at their current published offer to voters. It started badly and went downhill in a hurry. Front Page "Let's make Great Britain Great" I thought this was a spoof, but no. This is their intro "As a nation we have so much potential, so much that we should be optimistic about. We can make Britain great again. To do this, reform is essential in the way our country is run and managed, so it works properly for the people. In many areas, just the application of basic common sense would be a good start! The nation faces many challenges, but we can overcome them. To succeed, we need to do Brexit properly and save the Union by protecting Northern Ireland. We must grow our way out of the crisis, we cannot tax our way out of it. We must stand up for our core democratic values, our civil liberties, our right to free speech. Letβs celebrate our pride in being British: our amazing culture, our unbreakable communities, our incredible heritage. Letβs stop all the woke nonsense that is holding us back. Letβs have a proper immigration policy that works for our country and protects our borders. This means net zero immigration so we can train and support our own people. It means zero illegal immigration. Together, letβs make great things happen!" ππ I was disappointed there wasn't a backing track of the Twickenham crowd sing "Jerusalem" Pure dog whistle Trumpian nonsense. Then the economy "1. Reform our Economy: To succeed faster growth is vital. Higher growth rates are the only way to better wages and more tax revenues that can be invested in better healthcare and other public services. Our bold economic vision frees up over 6 million people from paying Income Tax and frees up over 1.2 million small businesses and self-employed from paying Corporation Tax. We would also aim to remove a raft of other stifling taxes in a responsible, timely way. This will generate much faster growth than seen in recent decades. We must also stop wasting taxpayersβ money." Right. So let me get this right. Slash tax revenues, cause huge increase in the PSBR, funded by who exactly? The bond markets will run a mile (remember Truss?). Or will they slash public services? Allegedly not "2. Reform our Public Sector: We must be ambitious, seeking faster, more efficient public services that work better for us all. For example, with health, we should demand zero waiting lists and we have a bold plan to achieve this vision. Our police need to focus on preventing crime and catching criminals. Our schools must educate our children properly to prepare them for a competitive, challenging world, whilst protecting them from age inappropriate sex education" ππ I could go on, but you get the story. Ill considered populist nonsense, full of dog whistle rhetoric which will not stand up to challenge. And yet some on here would actually vote to inflict this on the country. Unbelievable" So I quoted directly from Reform, but somehow that is not quoting a fact....ummmmm No Oldie, let's try this again. Your responses were just your opinions and not facts.
|
|