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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 5, 2024 0:03:40 GMT
According to Richard Tice of the Reform Party Limited men were snatching life jackets from women [without evidence] Now we learn there were only 8 jackets.... The mayor is factually wrong in many of his comments and obviously believing the propaganda himself. He's been spouting crap to justify his continuation as mayor for years. Another one who shouts loud, but does bugger all to try to change or improve the situation. The mayor is just passing the buck, trying to avoid culpability. Or maybe he is just telling the truth?
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 4, 2024 23:59:39 GMT
Oh dear, the suggestion of Russia again. Didn't you learn anything from the inference of Russia with Trump, which was proven to be a pack of lies in the courts? Didn't you learn of the so-called Russian influence/money with Aaron Banks and Brexit? Another totally unproven allegation which was dismissed in the courts? Just ask Carol Cadwallor, or however you spell her name.
Musk doesn't need Russian money.
Change the record guys. No matter how much mud you want to sling, none of it is proven.
If this so-called 'secret report' exists, don't you think that Labour would publish it? What on earth would enable it to be 'secret'?
Christ guys, wise up and stop listening to the sixth form.......and you complain about people believing what they read online?
Face reality for Christs's Sakes !
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Reform
Sept 4, 2024 19:13:10 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Sept 4, 2024 19:13:10 GMT
Anyone who pretends Reform are not just a single issue party is either misinformed or in denial. They only have other "policies" because they have to fill more than one page in their manifesto. It would be embarrassing otherwise. Ok, some people vote Reform. Quite a few actually. But no way on this earth are they voting Reform because of their dynamic new economic policies. Quite. But they appease the simple minded innumerate though. I think you are talking about Labour there!
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 4, 2024 19:11:09 GMT
Another Starmer lie.... "Yesterday I took a call from a senior member of London's Jewish community. He is a longstanding supporter of Labour, a significant donor, and a champion of Keir Starmer and his efforts to reform his party. 'He's lost the community', he told me. 'All the work he's done over the past few years. It's been destroyed in eight weeks'. On October 10 last year, three days after the appalling Hamas terrorist attack, Keir Starmer turned up at a Labour Friends of Israel reception at his party conference in Liverpool. With his shadow foreign secretary David Lammy at his side, he solemnly declared: 'In this dark hour, Labour stands with Israel'. He added: 'Labour stands firmly in support of Israel's right to defend itself, rescue hostages and protect its citizens.' It was all a lie. On Monday the Prime Minister signed off an arms embargo on Israel that will undermine its capacity to defend itself, rescue its hostages and protect its citizens." Where was this opinion piece from? Guido's daily rant? It's behind a paywall so no point in linking the full article.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 4, 2024 15:05:36 GMT
Another Starmer lie....
"Yesterday I took a call from a senior member of London's Jewish community. He is a longstanding supporter of Labour, a significant donor, and a champion of Keir Starmer and his efforts to reform his party. 'He's lost the community', he told me. 'All the work he's done over the past few years. It's been destroyed in eight weeks'. On October 10 last year, three days after the appalling Hamas terrorist attack, Keir Starmer turned up at a Labour Friends of Israel reception at his party conference in Liverpool. With his shadow foreign secretary David Lammy at his side, he solemnly declared: 'In this dark hour, Labour stands with Israel'. He added: 'Labour stands firmly in support of Israel's right to defend itself, rescue hostages and protect its citizens.' It was all a lie. On Monday the Prime Minister signed off an arms embargo on Israel that will undermine its capacity to defend itself, rescue its hostages and protect its citizens."
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 4, 2024 15:01:21 GMT
Starmer mindset is that of a lawyer prosecuting a suspect. He's simply incapable of thinking any other way. He's totally out of his depth and a disaster for the country.He makes Biden look credible. I've heard that he called Sunak 'prime minister' three times during PMQ's today, is that right? 🥴🤔 Twice today and once at a previous PMQs. Deliberate? Probably not. In other news, Priti Patel is out of the race with 14 votes. James Cleverly - 21 Robert Jenrick - 28 Tom Tugendhat - 17 Mel Stride - 16 Kemi Badenoch - 22 I suspect her backers to look at Jenrick and Badenoch with Stride and Tugendhat to be voted out in due course. The final three will be interesting. Badenoch seems popular amongst the party membership, with Jenrick having a clear lead at the moment with MPs. It doesn't matter who they pick. The Tories are finished.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 4, 2024 14:59:14 GMT
"The latest cross-Channel disaster took place close to the French town of Wimereux, where the local Mayor has frequently argued that such tragedies are all the fault of the British.
Jean-Luc Dubaele said in April: 'Five dead in January, five dead in April. What are we waiting for?
'Why do the English welcome them? Why do they absolutely want to travel to England? These are the questions that need to be asked.'
He said: 'It is Britain that is responsible for the boats setting off across the English Channel and the deaths that occur in the sea.
'The English pay us to stop the boats setting off but they look after the migrants when they arrive on their shores.
'The English give them accommodation, food, a bank account, and let them work without regulation.
'It is the English who are responsible for every boat that sails across the Channel to England.
'This has been going on for more than 20 years – migrants crossing to England illegally.
'I have been mayor for four years and I've watched as more and more boats leave from these shores and more people die in the sea.’
Mr Dubaele has frequently described Britain as an 'immigrant El Dorado', saying easy access to benefits, and a chance to work in the UK's black economy, attracted thousands from around the world."
Also - "While attacking the people smugglers who provided the faulty boat, Mr Darmanin said in his statement the UK was a place ‘where you can work without papers and where you have little chance of being expelled.’
This means that people from all over the world try to get to the country illegally, so as to earn money without official papers.
During a visit to emergency workers in Boulogne-sur-Mer on Tuesday evening, Mr Darmanin said the latest victims were ‘people from the Horn of Africa,’.
Only eight of the 80-odd people, most of them Africans from Eritrea, had life jackets, and the boat was struggling in choppy seas"
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 4, 2024 14:30:23 GMT
Ex politicians or present politicians should be treated differently to other authors as the BBC is SUPPOSED to be politically impartial. The thread also mentions 'and our BBC'.....I was going to start a thread called 'BBC watch' but I thought we could keep all their many misdemeanours on here. Fair enough Trymer. The BBC is hardly likely to be impartial when the most senior influential roles are held by Tory donors or supporters. It will be interesting to see if Labour change the people in those roles and put in place impartial media experienced people or their own favourite people. It'll be their chosen ones, the same as both parties have been doing for ever more ! I keep saying it, same old parties, same old policies, same old outcome.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 4, 2024 12:29:40 GMT
Everyone best change to Tesco Mobile then !
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 4, 2024 11:28:29 GMT
’Makes me sick with Rage’: Richard Tice lets rip at ‘lefty luvvies’ in furious rant after 12 migrants die in Channel tragedy..by Ben Chapmani.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/30/12/85509637-0-image-m-45_1717068096739.jpgRichard Tice told GB News he is “sick with rage and fury” after at least 12 migrants were confirmed dead. They died after their boat sank trying to cross the English Channel. The French coastguard confirmed the deaths after up to 65 people were rescued off the coast of Cap Gris-Nez on Tuesday. Speaking to Jacob Rees-Mogg, Tice took aim at “lefty luvvies” and groups like Care4Calais who he says are facilitating migrants making the perilous journey. “It’s utterly horrific”, he said. “The only way the deaths will stop is if you pick up and take these people back. “Do you know what makes me sick with fury and rage? It’s the bleating and whining from people like Care4Calais and the Refugee Council and do-good bodies who say we need more legal routes. “These lefty luvvie lawyers keep stopping what needs to be done to be compassionate and stop the deaths. “This is compounded by the fact that the men on these boats are taking the life jackets and leaving women and children completely defenceless.” GB News’s Jacob Rees-Mogg waded in on the discussion to take aim at the Government, saying they are guilty of adopting “platitudes” as opposed to an actual strategy for dealing with the gangs that help migrants cross the Channel illegally. Tice added: “What we’re seeing is the numbers increasing. The gangs are far from scared about the Home Secretary. “They are saying, ’this is an opportunity, the deterrent is going away and the likelihood of being granted asylum has increased under this new Government’. “They’re cramming these single-use dinghies with people.” Home Secretary Yvette Cooper branded the incident “horrifying and deeply tragic” as she said “vital” efforts to dismantle “dangerous and criminal smuggler gangs” and to boost border security “must proceed apace”. French interior minister Gerald Darmanin described it as a “terrible shipwreck”, adding in a post on X, formerly Twitter: “The provisional toll stands at 12 dead, two missing and several injured. “All government services are mobilised to find the missing and take care of the victims.” Home Office figures show 351 people made the journey in six boats on Monday, taking the provisional total for 2024 to date 21,403. So lots of rhetoric and no clue of what to do. Richard Tice soundbites in the Mail and on GBNews - classed as an entertainment channel as they don't want to be classed as a news channel as that would mean they would get more scrutiny, but then whinging when they aren't treated by the Government as a 'news' channel in meetings - with failed politician Rees Mogg who broke the law proroguing Parliament, - “The only way the deaths will stop is if you pick up and take these people back." - Brexit prevents that, the Brexit he promoted with Russian money - “These lefty luvvie lawyers keep stopping what needs to be done to be compassionate and stop the deaths." Does he want the UK to break domestic and international law, of course the answer is yes he does. He also wants us to leave the ECHR and become a pariah state like Russia and Belarus - “They are saying, ’this is an opportunity, the deterrent is going away and the likelihood of being granted asylum has increased under this new Government’. - abject lies and no evidence that the Government is going soft on applications. They are just trying to speed up applications outstanding from the last Government. - “This is compounded by the fact that the men on these boats are taking the life jackets and leaving women and children completely defenceless.” - very dangerous abject lies with no evidence to back it up, just feeding meat to the many Reform voter who will believe anything, even outright lies and propaganda. Tice has form on throwing out lies and whn pulled up on it threatens to sue his opponents but has yet to do so. The French have suggested yet again dealing with applications in France which the Tories refused to even discuss. Then if they fail they don't get to the UK and allows the French to deal with them. Far more sensible approach and less raw meat for the propagandists. Anyway Tice is contradicting his own colleague Ben Habib who said that the UK should let them drown. Welcome back Terry. Hope you had a good holiday. The problem with your post is that you are just attacking the man (Tice) and completely ignoring the real issue.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 3, 2024 23:39:06 GMT
Um.... "Recounting the episode during an appearance at a London theatre entitled 'An Evening with Jess Phillips,' the MP said she had "genuinely seen better facilities, health facilities, in war zones, in developing countries around the world. She said that she eventually reached her turn for treatment, but told the audience: "I got through because of who I am. "Also, the doctor who saw me was Palestinian, as it turns out. Almost all the doctors in Birmingham seemed to be.” She said: "He was sort of like, ‘I like you. You voted for a ceasefire’. [Because of that] I got through quicker." Is that The Times of Isreal article? You left out the next bit of the article which said "The doctor “was sort of like, ‘I like you, you voted for a ceasefire,'” Phillips recounted, adding that she APPEARED to have received faster care for that reason." My capitalisation. It's her own words. Would you like links to other sources?
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 3, 2024 20:10:03 GMT
Not from what I could see, she said she appeared to get it. That's not the same. Which is why I've asked for a direct quote as I may have missed something. Um.... "Recounting the episode during an appearance at a London theatre entitled 'An Evening with Jess Phillips,' the MP said she had "genuinely seen better facilities, health facilities, in war zones, in developing countries around the world. She said that she eventually reached her turn for treatment, but told the audience: "I got through because of who I am. "Also, the doctor who saw me was Palestinian, as it turns out. Almost all the doctors in Birmingham seemed to be.” She said: "He was sort of like, ‘I like you. You voted for a ceasefire’. [Because of that] I got through quicker."
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2024
Sept 3, 2024 19:46:25 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Sept 3, 2024 19:46:25 GMT
Interesting speculation that if the CDU win next years German elections they will probably need a coalition partner,the CDU say they will not cooperate with the AfD at national level (although they do cooperate at a local level) so they might ask the BSW to be a coalition partner,if they do the BSW will demand an end to German military aid to Ukraine. BSW are just an offshoot of the Die Linke (The Left) party, although they have dropped a lot of the far left stuff. They want aid to Ukraine to stop,leave NATO and leave the EU and introduce strict border controls to limit immigration.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 3, 2024 19:40:32 GMT
Yeah right. The election is looming so let's throw something out there from 2017. Nobody thought about bringing this up in the last seven years? It's just more desperate stuff from the Democrats. Still, I suppose it impresses the gullible.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 3, 2024 19:36:22 GMT
Do you have a direct quote? All I could find without a paywall was a loose 'appeared' rather than any clear statement. It would be a shame to castigate the doctor based on an anecdote. Also, why the weight loss comment? As always from these guys, no link to the evidence It was her own words.... Jess Phillips gets preferential treatment
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 3, 2024 14:33:06 GMT
Swap Harris for Trump and the same rings true, although more frightening imo. How people like Basel can complain about Harris in those terms whilst supporting Trump beggars belief Nobody is supporting Trump! Why do you think everyone has to take a side? Trump is awful, and so is Harris.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 3, 2024 13:17:23 GMT
Well, how far back would you go? The Jews could ( and probably do ) go back to the 2nd Century, when they themselves were forcibly expelled from this land that now causes so much contention. But I`ll throw a date into the mix. 2005. The year that Israeli settlers were dragged kicking and screaming out of Gaza, by Israeli soldiers acting on the orders of the Israeli government. The settlements were gone, the occupying soldiers were gone, it could have been the start of a new chapter for the people of Gaza. Was this an end to all of their grievances? Of course it wasn`t; I`m well aware of the limitations and restrictions that Israel still enforced on Gaza, nonetheless, wouldn`t most people agree that it was a step in the right direction? And how DID the Gazans react to these developments? The last Israeli soldier to leave, was promptly followed by the first Palestinian rocket fired into Israel. Thousands have followed. I think 2005 was the year that the people of Israel came to realise that no matter what concessions they made to the Palestinians, the Palestinians would still want to kill them all. I understand your logic (I think) But it's not logical. The Israelis kicking out the illegal settlers in 2005 did nothing to address the issues caused by the debacle, the tragedy, of 1948. Given what happened then it is more understandable the reactions of the Palestinians (not to be confused with sympathy for murder). No, in more modern history,1948 is the key date You keep mentioning 1948, the creation of Israel as a State. Are you suggesting that the State of Israel has no right to exist?
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 3, 2024 13:07:42 GMT
Nothing to do with the Labour Government. A bit like the fiscal deficit then when they came to power Jeez, you haven't fallen for that one have you?
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 3, 2024 11:57:24 GMT
Imagine, Confidence in a Labour government "That UK bond sale we mentioned earlier ending up drawing £110 billion in order demand -- matching a record high. The nation set the final sale size of the 2040 securities at £8 billion." Nothing to do with the Labour Government.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 3, 2024 10:20:00 GMT
We still don't know her policies, apart from the Democrats line of "the economy is great under Biden" to Harris "is going to fix the economy"! You talk about deflection and then come up with a nonsense line about Trump at Arlington! 1. Abortion 2. There is an actual photo of Trump giving the thumbs up at Arlington There are some photos of me smiling at Arlington. Does that make me a bad person? Are you aware of how huge the place is? There is a photo of Trump giving the thumbs up while at Arlington, wow, just wow!
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