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Post by Rex on Dec 8, 2019 23:05:57 GMT
I have come to the conclusion that many of our fans don't know s*** from pudding. We have a manager that has made excellent signings, got us to mid table after looking certs for relegation , wins cup games and has got us into a play off position (with a game in hand). Shrewsbury away was apparently one of the most entertaining games in years and we have scored 4 goals in two of our last 3 league games While undoubtedly yesterdays first half was grim, even at 2-0 I thought if we got an early goal we would win, this bunch of players have proved time and again that they will work hard for each other and the manager. As for the OP suggesting GC should take Ogogo with him, words fail me, we will be lucky if we hang on to him! If social media was around in 1990, Gerry Francis, Devon White, Andy Reece, Jock the fing lot of them would have been hounded out of the club by dolts who wouldn't know a good team if it him them in the face like a misplaced Geoff Twentyman clearance. I'm off for a bit to watch the election coverage , where I will hear politicians talking some comparatively good sense! All over Facebook too, these exact words. Almost as if you copied and pasted it.
By the way, it was your round yesterday. We were sat in the back room waiting for beer delivery. Nothing materialised. Tut. No not the exact words but very much the same sentiment and message and I mean every word. Everyone is of course entitled to their opinion, but I'm embarrassed by the fact that our manager knows he isn't popular with a fair few fans, when he has done such a good job for us. I don't agree that he plays 'dull football', I think there are some passages of play when it isn't great, but that's the case with pretty much every team in every game. As much as I liked Darrell Clarke and will always remember the good times, it was absolutely dire come the end, would anyone in their right mind swap where we were and how we were playing a year ago for what we currently have? Our current form may continue, it may not, but GC certainly deserves credit and our support for what he has done so far.
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Post by Rex on Dec 8, 2019 6:42:23 GMT
I have been quite a harsh critic of GC but i totally disagree with the op both in terms of the manager and some of the players he wants out. In the 2nd half today we played direct football how it should be played. By that i mean with aggression.attacking intent as well as genuine width. Too often with coughlan we are too static and passive albeit with decent defensive performance. Today reminded me of the portsmouth game in that we really got after our opponents and they folded. I believe if the manager and the team can be pro-active in really getting after the opposition we will see more of what we saw in the 2nd half today. Read what their manager is saying, I agree with him. We got 1, they just fell to pieces and stopped doing everything that got them 2-0 up. They lost that game every bit as much as we won it. You can believe whatever you like, but not many teams will fold like they did today.True, but they happened to be the team that we were playing, which to be fair to our manager, is all you can do
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Post by Rex on Dec 8, 2019 6:05:58 GMT
I have come to the conclusion that many of our fans don't know s**t from pudding. We have a manager that has made excellent signings, got us to mid table after looking certs for relegation , wins cup games and has got us into a play off position (with a game in hand). Shrewsbury away was apparently one of the most entertaining games in years and we have scored 4 goals in two of our last 3 league games While undoubtedly yesterdays first half was grim, even at 2-0 I thought if we got an early goal we would win, this bunch of players have proved time and again that they will work hard for each other and the manager. As for the OP suggesting GC should take Ogogo with him, words fail me, we will be lucky if we hang on to him! If social media was around in 1990, Gerry Francis, Devon White, Andy Reece, Jock the f**king lot of them would have been hounded out of the club by dolts who wouldn't know a good team if it him them in the face like a misplaced Geoff Twentyman clearance. I'm off for a bit to watch the election coverage , where I will hear politicians talking some comparatively good sense!
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Post by Rex on Dec 5, 2019 6:34:27 GMT
Bloody freezing tonight fair play fair to the fans who attended They should get first choice of Wembley tickets if we get there.Poor performance again only JCH,Craig and Tomlinson played well. Good penalty saves by Shotstopper. Are you anticipating a rush for tickets then?
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Post by Rex on Dec 3, 2019 19:36:50 GMT
Nothing to do with wael. Boring sterile mind numbing football = poor crowds. I don't think anyone who went to Shrewsbury would agree with you on that.
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Post by Rex on Dec 3, 2019 18:36:20 GMT
Yes I looked it up after that original post. That pavilion looked ace! Shame the new ground looks so featureless.
I also went down an Wikipedia rabbit hole and looked at the history of Clyde FC - genuinely strange. A football club that literally lost its community when the housing estates they lived in were knocked down.
There was a fantastic article in one issue of Nutmeg about Clyde, a great periodical btw. Similar to Blizzard but around Scottish football. I saw Nutmeg advertised once and thought it would be right up my street, but it was something like £12 an issue! Never heard of Blizzard.
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Post by Rex on Dec 3, 2019 6:49:12 GMT
I'm at Celtic Rangers on the 29th , so plan to do Airdrie v Falkirk the day before. Airdrie is one of several Scottish grounds I have arrived at only to find the game called off, I was particularly disappointed on this occasion that it was called off due to a frozen pitch as Airdrie play on artificial turf! Boring ground. Boring town. Unlucky. Have to agree with you there, I'm hoping this will be my second and final visit to the place! Mind you, I would have loved to have gone to the ground of the original club, it looked an absolute beauty.
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Post by Rex on Dec 2, 2019 19:42:05 GMT
I'm at Celtic Rangers on the 29th , so plan to do Airdrie v Falkirk the day before. Airdrie is one of several Scottish grounds I have arrived at only to find the game called off, I was particularly disappointed on this occasion that it was called off due to a frozen pitch as Airdrie play on artificial turf!
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Post by Rex on Dec 2, 2019 18:44:20 GMT
The attendance of home fans was so poor it proved the clubs decision on part ground closure correct. Well that's debatable. I'm genuinely interested to how much the club 'saved' by closing parts of the ground. By your logic we could close part of the ground every week.
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Post by Rex on Dec 2, 2019 9:19:57 GMT
Vis-a vis the partial ground closure on Sunday, I would be interested to know what the estimated savings were . Does anyone know who to ask or how to find out?
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Post by Rex on Dec 1, 2019 22:50:58 GMT
Don't you dickheads on here get it. With coughlan in charge we will not survive for much longer. Can you remember the last time parts of the ground were closed to save money. How many gasheads will go to the replay 400 is my guess. Not so long ago it would have been at least 1,500. Gasheads are pissed off big time. It's not about your loyal gas head friends it's about the bigger picture.
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Post by Rex on Dec 1, 2019 22:42:06 GMT
AFC Bournemouth v Liverpool 0-1 Tottenham Hotspur v Burnley 2-1 Cardiff City v Barnsley 2-0 Fulham v Bristol City 2-1 Queens Park Rangers v Preston North End 1-1 Bristol Rovers v Southend United 3-0 Rotherham United v Rochdale 2-0 Tranmere Rovers v Accrington Stanley 2-1 Bradford City v Newport County 1-1 Exeter City v Northampton Town 2-1 Read more: gasheads.org/thread/8568/week-games-wk2-christmas-cup#ixzz66tjDL134
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Post by Rex on Nov 28, 2019 21:45:17 GMT
I absolutely agree about the 'polarization' ,but I'm afraid this isn't restricted to Rovers fans, but part of modern life- I believe- driven by social media. Brexit is either awful or brilliant. Labour or the Tories are either our saviours , or will lead us to ruination. Football wise, it has led to the ridiculous situation where-as you say- fans seem to decide whether they like a player or not and then stick to that opinion come what may. This is a fair point and we’ve discussed before about Harold being booed by the North Enclosure at Eastville and I think Rickie Lambert was also given stick when he first came. But both of them were quality players who worked hard to win over fans, they didn’t feel entitled to respect just because they were pro footballers, they knew they had to earn it. I think this is a problem with some players and some owners who feel fans are lucky to have them and so don’t see the need to work on improving their performance with the aim of earning respect. We saw this with Nick Higgs who upon suffering criticism retreated behind the barricades which his “put up or shut up” supporters erected. And Wael, comparing himself with the Chelsea owner, has never given us the courtesy of preparing for an interview with facts, figures and a detailed vision but relied on his supporters to defend him because he is a nice man who means well. If these owners had been more pragmatic, and not relied purely on their highly polarized supporters but accepted they needed to earn respect, then I think it would have turned out better for them and us. If a new ownership group is on its way I hope there will a strong body of Gasheads who don’t just take things at face value but measure what is being said and done against what we think is in the best interests of Rovers.Good luck with that
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Post by Rex on Nov 28, 2019 19:59:18 GMT
The different topics being discussed under this “Hamer Gone” thread illustrate the trap of polarization which Rovers fans tend to fall into. The “ you are either with us or against us” attitude stifles the kind of constructive debate which might just throw up something of benefit to the club. Steve Hamer had his good points and whilst I have said myself he wasn’t an inspiring leader that doesn’t mean he didn’t use his knowledge and contacts to try to help make Rovers better. It’s fairly clear he was working on an exit strategy for Dwane Sports via the Fruit Market plan and when that hit the buffers he became expendable. The statement made by the club was mean spirited and Rovers standards should be way above that but if the fans have been conditioned into a polarized way of thinking then of course it is quite acceptable for the February 2016 “ respected football figure” to become yesterday’s fall guy and today’s villain. Likewise with Tommy Widdrington’s recent interview which I also found enlightening and thought did credit to Tommy. But, as others have commented, there is no harm in discussing what he said and why he said it. We should have enough self confidence to applaud what we like about aspects of the interview but criticise parts we don’t like and explain why we don’t like them. There is no need for a hysterical reaction either way. Which is why the Clive Richardson quotes I posted (and added to in jest) were intended to stimulate some discussion without polarization. Yes, on the face of it the experience at Palermo makes one concerned that these people are “chancers” but we should give them a chance to explain themselves while making them aware that Gasheads won’t just roll over and accept everything they say at face value. What is likely to happen is that those who “support” Wael no matter what he says or does will likely fall into line with what he wants without ever thinking of its impact on Rovers. Others, who have lost faith in Wael and can see that under his ownership the club has been stripped of his financial asset, will immediately jump on Clive Richardson’s recent track record and not give him a fair hearing. My feeling is that as we approach this next stage we should try to avoid polarization and instead take a more reasoned approach than we did with Dwane Sports. When they took over most fans thought we had reached paradise straight after the first press conference and even now some still refuse to budge from that assessment. We need to have the confidence to make any new ownership group earn our respect and not be afraid to subject them to scrutiny. If we do that in a sensible and polite way, and they know we are going to do it, then we are more likely to get owners who will make Rovers a better club and less likely to get ones who are happy to chance their arm knowing if it all goes pear shaped they can walk away with no consequences. I absolutely agree about the 'polarization' ,but I'm afraid this isn't restricted to Rovers fans, but part of modern life- I believe- driven by social media. Brexit is either awful or brilliant. Labour or the Tories are either our saviours , or will lead us to ruination. Football wise, it has led to the ridiculous situation where-as you say- fans seem to decide whether they like a player or not and then stick to that opinion come what may.
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Post by Rex on Nov 28, 2019 7:13:24 GMT
More likely he's polishing his cv and getting it out there in front of potential new employers ? Do you think there will be many takers? Suggests that the club didn't have the ability to scout players before he arrived. Presumably that explains why it was able to identify and bring through Taylor, Bodin, Carayol, Hoskins, Lambert et al over a sustained period of time? I'd ask Widdrington how his record compares with Richard Everson, to take one example. Cites the fact that he helped Coventry get promoted as proof of his credentials? A club who never should have been in the fourth tier in the first place. He called in a few contacts at Coventry and got lucky with JCH, a last minute deadline-day signing. Then brings in Mark Little, Luke Leahy and, of course, his son. Anybody could have found Jaakola by looking through a list of released players. Then suggests that a few past incidents should be put aside and we should effectively become a feeder club for Bristol City? Hamer was of course crucified for less. That does read a little bit like 'What have the Romans ever done for us'. As for us effectively becoming their feeder club, that is putting some heavy spin on it. I think he just seems to be suggesting that we shouldn't rule out deals between the clubs.
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Post by Rex on Nov 27, 2019 6:22:00 GMT
Copied and pasted from standard info and someone forgot to knock off the 'up until one hour before' bit would be my guess. IF that is the case, that really is very, very poor.
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Post by Rex on Nov 26, 2019 8:43:14 GMT
It’s been suggested he is on a high salary so I am not surprised he is reluctant to do anything right now but it’s a dangerous game to play. As his contract runs down, he could possibly find himself with no offers and so I guess is that he hopes to improve and is hoping to somehow play through this. If you look at his career, he was never really an out and out striker but posh did a great job in getting the fee they did. It does look like GC May have taken the decision out of his hands but time will tell as he has spoken up for him on at least a couple of occasions and now, so has JCH. Fair comment KP, but what is anyone from the club expected to publicly say? You have to be supportive when dealing with media. We as fans are afforded honesty because there's little consequences. TN has never been prolific, but this is embarrassing. The whole project has been a mistake from the start....to continue to play him makes that another mistake, I know GC is in his fledgling managerial position, but come on....I think in any line of business, you have to let a manager manage and then just them on their results after a period of time. During that period of time, just let them get on with it. Undoubtedly they will make some mistakes, many of which they will recognise themselves, but the bigger picture is always how successful they are. Despite a surprising amount of our supporters thinking GC isn't a good manager, he has taken us from relegation candidates (I'd even argue certainties) to a team on the very edge of the play offs, who have finally found out how to win cup matches plus he also seems to have an eye for a player when it comes to spending our limited funds. I would suggest this makes GC a good manager and if he thinks playing TN is the right thing to do, then I think we should trust his judgement. I would also point out that one of GC's first actions as manager, was to drop who many (including me) thought was our best player in Chris Lines, There was social media uproar of course, but the results suggested GC had done exactly the right thing. I think GC probably knows more about how to win football matches than all of us put together, so if he wants to play Nicholls, then that's fine by me. If we start to plummet down the table while Nicholls is in the side, then it may be time for a rethink.
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Post by Rex on Nov 25, 2019 7:40:11 GMT
I do get that but there is a hypocrisy in it too. No one complains about music stars or actors making staggering amounts of money and footballers are also highly skilled entertainers in a multi-billion pound global industry. The real scandal is that for donkey's years they were appallingingly underpaid while owners pocketed the cash and then threw players on the scrapheap the moment they were past it or picked up an injury. Yet we tend to remember that as a golden age of solidarity between players and fans.
Clearly the distance thing does matter though and, if you listen to someone like Peter Crouch who is a good voice on this, to make it as a footballer in the modern game you almost have to enclose yourself in a different world from a very early age. The hothousing training process coupled with the way the football business works now means footballers face quite a narrow and strange reality. But I don't think the distance thing quite explains the anger - I think it's more the celebrity culture thing. People think they know these superstar players because of online interaction and therefore feel justified in reacting to perceived (and nearly always extremely minor) indescretions. So weirdly it might be that they're both too distant and too close at the same time.
I just find it all quite sad. I grew up being wowed by players like Giggs, Mcmanaman, Gascoigne, Hagi, Baggio etc and it was just a joy to watch these guys. Now I see online people who were my age back then spending all their time laying into todays equivalents and I find it a bit depressing. We don't naively celebrate anymore as a standard reaction instead we look to knock them down. I don't know any other sport that does this.
You don't see musicians getting their lyrics wrong every gig. Punters have the right to vent if paying good moneyI agree with much of what you have there however. Looking back is often rose tinted and our generation are just as guilty of it as the current kids will be. You have a right to complain if you get bad service anywhere, but nut hurl abuse at the staff.
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Post by Rex on Nov 24, 2019 16:14:35 GMT
Burnley v Crystal Palace 2-1 Liverpool v Brighton & Hove Albion 2-0 Birmingham City v Millwall 1-0 Bristol City v Huddersfield Town 2-1 Derby County v Queens Park Rangers 1-1 Wigan Athletic v Reading 2-1 Oldham Athletic v Burton Albion 1-0 Portsmouth v Altrincham 2-0 Macclesfield Town v Bradford City 1-4 Bristol Rovers v Plymouth Argyle 2-0 Read more: gasheads.org/thread/8557/week-games-wk1-christmas-cup#ixzz66DDa8Ok1
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Post by Rex on Nov 24, 2019 14:40:45 GMT
Neil Slatter used to get dog's abuse from the north enclosure as well. If you can't say something one to one to someone's face, then to do it online or from the safety of a large group, I think is pretty cowardly. More than happy to ask Nichols to explain why, on multiple occasions, I've seen him literally stood still watching opposition players whilst a team mate from further away has to run past him to make a challenge. Yes, at times his behaviour as a professional sportsman is pathetic, yes, that does make him look like a fraud. More than willing to say so to his face.Somehow I think that, even if you did get the chance, you wouldn't be quite as forthright as you like to think you might be.
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