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Post by Rex on Dec 12, 2020 10:07:43 GMT
I like American bacon- I voted for the wrong side! American bacon...ugh. Don't tell me you like Coors Light? God no, Guinness, whisky and beer in case you were fishing what to get me for Xmas. |
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Post by Rex on Dec 12, 2020 6:31:08 GMT
American "bacon" is as bad. As for their bread, quite possibly the most gopping substance on the planet. takes a particularly special ability to ruin bread in my opinion! I bet you can’t wait to be sucking on chlorinated chicken post Brexit. Why oh why can’t politicians admit to messing up and do their best for the country. Brexit is a failure of politics which is a failure of people holding their representatives to account. You get American Bacon as a result. I like American bacon- I voted for the wrong side! |
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Post by Rex on Dec 11, 2020 22:06:11 GMT
I don't think it has Epping. all been very civilised so far........ Equating "Little Englanders" to "deranged lice" is not civilised. What 'point' is being made? I think there is an inference here that Little Englander = person who had the audacity to vote Leave. Thin end of the wedge. Nipping it in the bud. Other mods - feel free to comment. I think most people would understand the modern definition of a Little Englander, and one described as such would definitely have voted for Brexit- there is no inference whatsoever that to vote leave would or should be considered audacious. If a Little Englander was offended by the term would that make them a snowflake  |
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Post by Rex on Dec 11, 2020 11:28:10 GMT
Yet in the 1970s and 80s we were all out for our neighbours and equality too? I think not. We're better off now, that was my point. We had the last vestiges of the post war consensus in the 70s, when Labour and Tories (regardless of politics) were both committed to providing a basic standard of living to push society forward for the better. Free market neo-liberalism was also considered a wacky ideology. Then Thatcher arrived, the consensus went out the window and looking after number one became the whole of the law. As a result the political ideology of this country has shifted rightwards massively to the point where the notion of socialism is now the wacky ideology. So I wouldn’t say we are better off because the selfishness of today’s society is going to cause social and economic problems further down the line that are going under the radar at the moment. Young people are being marginalised because the security that a lot of people had in previous years (in terms of jobs for life, housing, final salary pension etc) just isn’t there any more and the wealth isn’t trickling down either to address the incessant rise in housing costs. In fact the state is subsiding cheap labour for business through the minimum wage which is having the effect of just suppressing wages and increasing the 12 billion thst the tax payer gives every to private landlords because people can’t afford housing on low wages. That’s all creating a bubble and in 20 years time that bubble is going to pop and it ain’t gonna be pretty. That’s before you even factor in the problems that Brexit is going to bring. I wouldn’t want to be a young person now if you paid me so no, I don’t think we’ve got it better compared to the opportunities that those in the 80’s had with free university education, right to buy and final salary pensions. It’s also backed up in fact as a google will show you data that indicates that the millennials are the first generation in a long time to have materially less than the generation before. I always thought Thatcher was the worst PM of our time, somehow the current incumbent has manged to make me have a rethink and I find myself sticking up for her on the odd occasion! I now understand why some people think so highly of her, and I would also say she implemented policies because she thought it was the right thing to do and not for personal gain (Boris fans take note) . What she did was enable many working class families to 'move up' and for that , those families and their children are understandably thankful for it. However, while many will think that will be her legacy, I still believe it came at too high a price and the worst is yet to come, particularly when it comes to housing. Maybe I'm imagining it, I would love to see the figures, but I'm pretty damn sure that when I was growing up (I was born in 1964) homelessness wasn't even really a thing, there was the odd tramp, but- and I accept this may be a rose tinted memory- they seemed few and far between and tended to be slightly eccentric characters who had opted out - as I say, I could be hopelessly wrong on that point. I would argue that homelessness is now a very real threat to 'ordinary' members of society who find themselves in debt (for a whole bunch of reasons) |
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Post by Rex on Dec 11, 2020 11:11:07 GMT
Wonderful, a real eye opener, thank you. Again, as you say, I think there are different parts of the UK like US that are more tolerant than others, add to that different parts of Bristol, etc etc. Opinions can only be backed up by your level of experience so I value yours on this subject more than most. I love that about the food, let me know when the next night is, I will bring some Welsh Cakes 🙂 Welsh cakes would have been wonderful, as would a steaming hot bowl of cawl. I get really annoyed when I hear people say that British food is crap. how anyone could dislike welsh cakes is beyond me - unless they dislike dried fruit, in which case substitute with chocolate chips (I know not traditional, but also delicious). Someone else on the Brit table brought home made scones in which also went down well - sadly no clotted cream as we couldn't get that in VA. Inclusivity is a difficult thing to measure I think. It is an abstract concept rather than something more tangible, and you will feel it if it is there, and also if it is absent. I don't attach any store to indices that attempt to measure it. For me it is about being free to be who you are without having to conform to cultural norms (without causing intentional harm to others). All too often in the UK I hear things like "they should speak English over here" or " they should behave in this way in this country" which leads me to conclude that Britain being an inclusive nation is as much of a myth as British "exceptionalism". I passionately despise the rampant populism/nationalism that is sweeping through much of the western world at present. It is isolationist rather than inclusive in nature and is IMHO is responsible for many of the ills and the hatred in the world. Much better to be open and try to see the world through other people's eyes than build barriers in my opinion, and the funny thing is, by being inclusive towards others, my experience has been that it gets reciprocated. Maybe it is why I've been so lucky to experience inclusivity in so many different nations. Favourite tactic of the populists - divide and conquer to deliberately pit people against each other, usually by generating envy that one group gets something that another doesn't. A surprisingly wise person (Jimmy Carr) came out with a really simple saying that I think is profound, and which I try to keep at the front of my mind - "Comparison is the thief of joy". WM Gas' analogy that Brits would rather have a fiver if no-one else got one than everyone gets a tenner resonates with me. Whilst I know bad things do happen in other countries there have been some incidents in the UK that leave me really ashamed to be British. These include the two lesbians beaten up on a bus in London, the French boy kicked to a pulp on the downs and the black rapper who thugs drove a car into whilst he was sat on a wall in Southmead. These sort of incidents really make me think we are not an inclusive nation. Shamefully I missed Chile off my inclusive Nations list. My experience there was of really wonderful people who were so proud of their country that they were determined that you would have the best time possible. All the Chileans I have met in my life have been exceptionally nice people.That Pinochet bloke was a bit of a wrong 'un mind! Chile is a place I would love to visit, my dad lived there just after the war, he was in the merchant navy and if you fell ill on ship they just got you ashore and you had to wait for your ship to dock in that port again, which was around 18 months in his case! He ended up living with a Chilean family and family rumour has it that there me and my sisters may have another sibling! We will never know if that is true or not , but the fact that a family took in a British sailor, who spoke no Spanish, just to help him out speaks volumes. It's great to read posts such as yours, viewed through social media, I find it increasingly depressing that the UK is seemingly populated by Little Englanders, most of whom are on my friends list! |
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Post by Rex on Dec 9, 2020 13:34:50 GMT
Good I was just worried you may have had him marked as a certain 'type' , which, if I didn't know him I may have also done Not the "type" you had in mind (guessing) But a bit lacking in lateral thinking. I remember now, I met him once, years ago at an away game I think. In the bar... most of my meetings have been in the bar🤔🤣 Then I would be amazed if we haven't bumped into each other at some point! |
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Post by Rex on Dec 9, 2020 11:22:42 GMT
I find it so disheartening that 'liberal' has become a word to use as an insult and a taunt. I think those who use it would be horrified at conditions if we didn't live in a liberal society. Oddly enough, and- in view of their ongoing spats on here- this is more aimed at Oldie than a reply to Basel, I know Basel pretty well and he is a very tolerant, liberal minded kind of bloke! Rex said Oddly enough, and- in view of their ongoing spats on here- this is more aimed at Oldie than a reply to Basel, I know Basel pretty well and he is a very tolerant, liberal minded kind of bloke! I don't know him, but I believe you.Good I was just worried you may have had him marked as a certain 'type' , which, if I didn't know him I may have also done |
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Post by Rex on Dec 8, 2020 10:43:18 GMT
There is no fire. It's just that highlighting social injustice makes some Neanderthals very uncomfortable. Anyone else note the decline (yes, decline) in health spending per head in the north east? Basel, you were keen to mention the plight of the working class, but you haven't mentioned that, but focus on BLM. I wonder why? I pointed out the hypocrisy and general bulls*** of liberal UK.I find it so disheartening that 'liberal' has become a word to use as an insult and a taunt. I think those who use it would be horrified at conditions if we didn't live in a liberal society. Oddly enough, and- in view of their ongoing spats on here- this is more aimed at Oldie than a reply to Basel, I know Basel pretty well and he is a very tolerant, liberal minded kind of bloke! |
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Post by Rex on Dec 8, 2020 8:28:47 GMT
As part of my ongoing protest, I shall not be attending.
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Post by Rex on Dec 7, 2020 23:06:47 GMT
See this is part of the problem. And we all do it. We attach the actions of a minority to the will of the majority. Personally, I think there are darker forces at work to make us attack each other and stay in our lanes. Lots of money is spent on telling us immigrants are dangerous. Lots of money is spent on telling us all who voted for BREXIT are racist. Lots of money is spent on putting you and I at odds.My point is, I think the majority want the same thing, equality for all. Yet we're told via interest vested media that these guys are against equality for this group. This group is keeping you down. This group is prioritised over you. This guy with nothing is pitted against this guy with nothing while the guys with it all fan the flames so that no one looks at what they've got.
For those who truly believe "dark and mysterious forces" are at work to keep down the proletarian rabble... James O'Brien is available 10am-1pm weekdays on LBC.
Well, while I'm not entirely convinced that the Eton educated elite deliberately keep us down as some sort of sinister plot against the working class, I am pretty sure that if someone came up with a fantastically fair and democratic plan to share the wealth between everyone in the UK, then those who do run the country - and lets not forget that of the 55 British PMs we have had, 20 were educated at Eton and 7 at Harrow- then I suspect that all of a sudden there may be a bit of twitchiness in the corridors of power. |
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Post by Rex on Dec 7, 2020 11:14:27 GMT
Some very interesting views expressed in the thread. Please remember to keep it polite, and play nicely. And maybe, just maybe, we can find a position that can accommodate a vast majority of views. You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. Bollocks |
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Post by Rex on Dec 6, 2020 14:27:58 GMT
I've said before that I think the whole taking a knee thing has become meaningless. I forget the guys name (Kapernick?) but when he first did it, it had impact and really shook things up. When UK footballers do it , it's so staged it's cringeworthy. Blow whistle, kneel down, blow whistle, back up again.
However, this BLM is Marxist is a pile of horse s**te. Yes an organisation may have grown out of it, but does anyone really believe that the Americans who first did it and now the Premier League footballers who do it are actually supporting Marxism? Give me a break..
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Post by Rex on Dec 6, 2020 10:38:32 GMT
I know. Who would have believed it? It's been rigged. |
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Post by Rex on Dec 5, 2020 21:30:22 GMT
Rex
Newcastle United v West Bromwich Albion 2-1
Manchester United v Manchester City 1-1
Luton Town v Preston North End 0-1
Nottingham Forest v Brentford 2-2
Rotherham United v Bristol City 0-1
Bristol Rovers v Plymouth Argyle 2-1
Crewe Alexandra v Northampton Town 1-1
Hull City v Shrewsbury Town 2-0
Grimsby Town v Mansfield Town 1-0
Walsall v Bolton Wanderers 1-1
Termination Technologists
Newcastle United v West Bromwich Albion 2-1
Manchester United v Manchester City 1-1
Luton Town v Preston North End 1-2
Nottingham Forest v Brentford 1-2
Rotherham United v Bristol City 0-2
Bristol Rovers v Plymouth Argyle 2-2
Crewe Alexandra v Northampton Town 3-1
Hull City v Shrewsbury Town 3-1
Grimsby Town v Mansfield Town 1-1
Walsall v Bolton Wanderers 1-1
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Post by Rex on Dec 5, 2020 21:28:06 GMT
Dido?
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Post by Rex on Dec 5, 2020 20:07:38 GMT
I think taking the knee is a pretty empty gesture but I certainly wouldn't boo it. Hypothetical I know, but considering we have a minutes silence for just about anyone these days, I would imagine that if the present incumbent at No 10 died while still in office he would get one. Despite my feelings toward him I wouldn't consider for one moment booing. I note the booing was at West Ham and Millwall- there's a shock |
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Post by Rex on Dec 4, 2020 21:43:18 GMT
Lots of pertinent points on this'un. I never once saw Ogogo shirk or walk round. Lad tackled and ran whenever I watched him. Ben Garner is the only reason he left. With the winless wonder gone, there's none. I would recall Ogogo in a heartbeat. There's nowt wrong with winning the ball. Did you see Ogogo looking for the ball when we had it? He use to mark opposing players when we had a throw in. Sometimes I think he got an easy ride from fans. Not many obvious mistakes in a game because he never did much going forward. Did he win more tackles or get in more blocks than Clarke or Upson? Doubt it, but those two are lambasted when trying to create something going forward, something Ogogo would not try. Wonder how stats are building up with Grant as a comparison? Without a JCH type upfront scoring goals out of scraps just having a player trying to break up play is not enough. Ogogo could not do it on his own hence Lines disappeared. See how Tis changes things. Anyone seen what's happened at Mansfield since change, no transfer window available to them. Will Shrewsbury improve or wait till the window? Ogogo wasn't perfect, but I'd have him back in a heartbeat. I could pick holes in most players games , but unfortunately people seem to fall into a trap of deciding they are for or against them. I think the best way to manage a football team is to look at the players you have, play in an appropriate way and do everything you can to generate a good team spirit. Gerry Francis sussed that out to great effect and it looked like Coughlan was well on his way to doing the same. |
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Post by Rex on Dec 3, 2020 9:50:27 GMT
An option worth considering. Nooooooooooooo You didn't think Ogogo did well for us? |
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Post by Rex on Dec 3, 2020 9:36:09 GMT
We were 4th in the league when Benny took over. our performances were more composed organised and confident under Garner compared to last 3. I look again at what I said “it needs more Garnerball, because moving ball quickly, moving into space off the ball, and a better press than we showed last 3 league games is football. Garner wasn’t undone by garner ball, he was undone by the quality of the players. Emer, Baldwin and Killer can’t even deal with simple passes over the top. The three forwards either injured or missing the target. No one in the rest of the team helping them out with goals”. That’s all true. Those of you wanting Garner gone have what you deserve, a manager preferring Upson to Westbrook, Leahy to Totunda, Baldwin in place of someone who can defend etc.
Sometimes you back the wrong horse, it's best just to realise you did and accept that. I'm quite a simple bloke, with a very basic knowledge of football. I backed Coughlan from day one and all the evidence that followed suggest I was right to do so. I was sceptical about Garner but thought he should be given time, to a degree he was and all the evidence suggests that he didn't make a very good fist of it. Paul Tisdale may or may not prove to be the man to get us out of this mess, but we have to give him the benefit of the doubt ( we have no choice there). You seem to be keen to protect Garner from any blame for the current mess, I think the evidence suggests he doesn't deserve that protection. |
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Post by Rex on Dec 1, 2020 19:19:33 GMT
It sounds fing pathetic to me a gashead for 40 years. What must it sound like to someone who hasn't been a gashead for 40 years. Even more pathetic would be my guess. Lets get real here surely we don't have to play proper recordings anymore. I can't say I've ever let a song upset me that much. What I find bizarre is that there is a match day announcer and music being played in the first place. |
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